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jason___1
hello and question. started mining a couple of days ago with the command line wallet. I set it to 64 threads (8 core cpu), roughly how long of mining should I expect on average to find my first block and .6 XMR? what command within the wallet do I use to find the hashrate?
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nioc
show_hr
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nioc
to stop the display use hide_hr
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nioc
at 10000H/s it will take 1 year on average
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jason___1
I'm using the linux cli wallet. digging through help, show_hr is not an available command
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nioc
let me check
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nioc
the command is for the daemon
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nioc
you don't need to keep the wallet open to mine
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jason___1
makes sense
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nioc
variance can be quite large on finding a block
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jason___1
smart mining at 1.24 kH/s, net hash 2.66 GH/s
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nioc
so 8 years o_0
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jason___1
and this is on a fast cpu
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nioc
that's not fast
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nioc
what cpu?
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nioc
also you need 2MB L3 cache per thread
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nioc
would be better to use p2pool with the xmrig mining software
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nioc
higher HR for the same cpu and you get paid often, even if small amounts
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jason___1
ryzen 5000g series
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nioc
I have a 5600G
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jason___1
yeah sorry that's what mine is
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jason___1
I set 64 threads, set it lower?
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nioc
has 16MG L3 cash so 8 threads max
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jason___1
I'll try that
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nioc
it only has 12 threads
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nioc
I get 5k H/s but the daemon will be less
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nioc
I set 1 thread for each core in xmrig and run 6 threads which is almost as fast as 8 when you do 1 thread per core and I can still use the comp for light stuff with no impact
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nioc
I static OC it at 3800 and undervolt to keep it cool
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wormrobot
hi
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ofrnxmr[m]
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wormrobot
what do you mean no hello
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ofrnxmr[m]
Read the website pls
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ofrnxmr[m]
"People who do this are generally trying to be polite by not jumping right into the request, like one would in person or on the phone - and that's great! But it's 2022 and chat is neither of those things. For most people, typing is much slower than talking. So despite best intentions, you're actually just making the other person wait for you to phrase your question, which is lost productivity (and kinda annoying)."
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Stnby[m]
Write, just like in E-mail.
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Stnby[m]
Hello,
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Stnby[m]
Kind Regards
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Stnby[m]
Stnby
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ofrnxmr[m]
"It may seem trivial, but asking your question before getting that initial salutatory reply also allows for asynchronous communication. If the other party is away, and you leave before they come back, they can still answer your question, instead of just staring at a "Hello" and wondering what they missed."
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wormrobot
also true, good point imo
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wormrobot
hows everyone doing?
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ceetee[m]
Hello wormrobot, I'm okey but slightly annoyed that people use the Monero room for smalltalk even though they were reminded to ask their question directly. Kind Regards, ct
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wormrobot
i was wondering why btc has a maximum supply of 21 million and monero is infinite
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moneromoooo
To provide miner incentive forever.
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wormrobot
okay now it makes more sence, also the monero devs are super smart on how they decided on CPU mining instead of GPU
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wormrobot
because computers deal alot with memory and cpu, so idk why GPU crossed satoshis cpu lol
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ofrnxmr[m]
And btc supply fixed at 21m + fixed block size = every 4 years fees must increase exponentially OR the cost of production to drop exponentially.
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ofrnxmr[m]
The cost to replace the reward on btc is around $50 fee/per tx at current prices.
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wormrobot
great point i was looking at the halving chart not that long ago
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wormrobot
anyone knows how to fix this in monero-cli
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wormrobot
The wallet's refresh-from-block-height setting is higher than the daemon's height: this may mean your wallet will skip over transactions
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ofrnxmr[m]
Is your node fully synced?
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ofrnxmr[m]
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moneromoooo
set refresh-from-block-height XXXX (set XXXX to whatever height mathces your wallet creation date if you know it, or earlier. 0 is always safe though wasteful).
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moneromoooo
Then rescan_bc
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moneromoooo
This happens when you create a wallet without a daemon available, so it guesses current height based on time. It is usually not off for mainnet. Was this a mainnet wallet ?
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moneromoooo
And is your system time correct ?
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moneromoooo
er, was your system time correct on the machine you created the wallet on, at the time you created it ?
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MrKrul[m]
.
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selsta
MrKrul[m]: just to confirm, your monero-blockchain-import.exe is located inside system32 folder?
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selsta
that's unusual
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MrKrul[m]
oh no that's just where windows cmd starts from
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selsta
in this screenshot it looks like you are inside system32 folder and are trying to call monero-blockchain-import from there
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selsta
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MrKrul[m]
i frist told cmd to go to the folder the import.exe file is located and the second command is to run it the C:\windows\system32> is there by default for i think where the cmd file is located
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selsta
shouldn't it show the correct folder in the second line assuming the `cd` command worked?
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MrKrul[m]
* I first told cmd to go to the folder the import.exe file is located and the second command is to run it the C:\\windows\\system32> is there by default for I think where the cmd file is located
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plowsof
good spot, user does not change to their desired directory and remains in system32 (spaces are not escaped Monero\ either)
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selsta
so far it looks like you didn't change folder correctly
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selsta
why not drag and drop monero-blockchain-import.exe directly into the cmd window then you don't have to change folder?
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MrKrul[m]
well i dont think it's that i am using the latest cmd version tho
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MrKrul[m]
man i give up i will just import it from the app but it's pain since i don't know when it's going to use up 10 GB of data XD
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Katie[m]
Imagine using windows
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selsta
MrKrul[m]: it's that, you are in the wrong directory
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selsta
you are trying to call monero-blockchain-import from system32
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Stnby[m]
Katie[m]: Ooh you meant the OS, not the actual window XDD
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Stnby[m]
* meant the MSDOS based OS, not
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qortz[m]
Katie[m]: Tails + Feather + own node = Love
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selsta
at least that's how it looks like on the screenshot
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Stnby[m]
qortz[m]: HaikuOS + 3 months no sleep trying to compile monero code base <3
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plowsof
yes, and now they "give up" and mention "10GB" out of nowhere
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Katie[m]
qortz[m]: I use arch (btw)
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plowsof
i get it now. "cmd.exe" is located in system32 - which they think is needed to launch executables. so, whilst in system32, they (don't even type cmd.exe first) but try to run blockchain import from there (assuming theyve put it in sys32 already).
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Stnby[m]
<Katie[m]> "I use arch (btw)" <- Systemd peasant, get a real distro
bugs.slitaz.org/?id=0%20/etc/passwd*
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spacekitty420[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> ""People who do this are generall..." <- or in other words: "am socially retarded and wished everyone were too" o.o
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moneromoooo
It'd certainly makes a lot of things easier.
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Mochi101
MrKrul[m], I think Win11 has a mode where only signed software will be run.
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Mochi101
This may be your problem.
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Mochi101
Win12?
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Mochi101
Whatever, the latest garbage from MS
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Mochi101
You have to specifically take it out of that mode.
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spacekitty420[m]
yikes, basically like what apple doing on their iphone with the whole "no sideloading apps", microsoft already removed by default showing extensions so people don't even know anymore what even is a `.exe` file.... guess it was a first step torward something like that... /facepalm
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Mochi101
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Mochi101
s-mode s must be for stupid
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Mochi101
I guess MS wants to build their walled garden too
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ofrnxmr[m]
Are you insulting windows users
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Mochi101
I use Windows every day.
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Stnby[m]
Mochi101: Guess? They have tried this sinvce it
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Stnby[m]
s/sinvce/since/, s/it/beginning/
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Mochi101
Stnby[m], no... not like Apple though.
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Stnby[m]
MacOS does the same shit literally
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Mochi101
Stnby[m], thank you for reinforcing my point.
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Stnby[m]
Ubuntu as well
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Stnby[m]
Windows, MacOS and Ubuntu participate in the same cancer mess
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Stnby[m]
* cancer mess, trying to restrict people in their ecosystem
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ofrnxmr[m]
I was about to say im starting to hate Ubuntu / canonical with their software center, snaps etc
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ofrnxmr[m]
Breaking my frikken workflow
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Stnby[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: I hate Ubuntu more than Windows at this point
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spacekitty420[m]
just doing ubuntu-server then manually apt install slim xfce4 for graphical interface thingy, also apt remove snaps then is all good u know
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Stnby[m]
spacekitty420[m]: Not anymore
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Stnby[m]
They started to remove packages from apt
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Stnby[m]
you are stuck with snap if you use Ubuntu
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spacekitty420[m]
oh right, firefox one of them i think
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Stnby[m]
spacekitty420[m]: Yeah, imagine even nmap is a snap by default now
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Stnby[m]
they are delusional
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spacekitty420[m]
yikes...
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Stnby[m]
apt install will install a snap by default
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moneromoooo
For the record, a snap is... some dockerized thing (with a docker equivalent), right ?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Stnby[m]: This
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ofrnxmr[m]
A lot of programs are missing from Ubuntu repos
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ofrnxmr[m]
Added back in Linux mint etc, so im probably going back to mint when I need Ubuntu
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Stnby[m]
I tried to create an Ubuntu vm to do some government stuff XD, guess what...
id.ee/en/article/ubuntu-id-software-installation-updating-and-removal
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Stnby[m]
> NB! Ubuntu 21.10 and 22.04 is installed by default as Firefox SNAP, in which the ID card cannot be used for online authentication and signing.
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Stnby[m]
> To resolve the situation in the Firefox browser with an ID card for authentication and signing on the web, you should install the regular version of Firefox, you can do this by writing commands:
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Stnby[m]
> (Removing Firefox SNAP will remove ALL users’ Firefox profiles. We recommend backing up Mozilla Firefox profiles before removing Firefox SNAP)
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ofrnxmr[m]
moneromoooo: A snap is a container, yeah.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Like flatpak and others, but slow and centralized
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Stnby[m]
Be it snap, flatpak or appimages they are all ignorant piece of shit
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moneromoooo
I'm reading up on it, doesn't seem like a bad idea from what wikipedia writes.
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moneromoooo
Looks like a compat layer between userland and kernelspace.
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Stnby[m]
They tried to reimplement
nixos.org/guides/how-nix-works.html in a shitty way
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moneromoooo
I suppose it encourages people to run random binaries rather than building though.
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spacekitty420[m]
but wikipedia also saying that some people are "far right" even tho they're actually not so not sure if wikipedia a great source of accuracy for some stuff :hyperthonk:
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Stnby[m]
instead of bundling all of the dependencies in a shitty tar gz they should have went the Nix route
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ofrnxmr[m]
Compare to flatpak though, and thats why snap is bad
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its canonical forcing their project, which seems inferior
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Stnby[m]
Also dysfunctional. You cant use the damn ID cards with Ubuntus snaop firefox
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Stnby[m]
s/snaop/snap/
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Stnby[m]
They literally lost the entire government sector
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Stnby[m]
The only people who used Ubuntu in the first place
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Stnby[m]
Diarrhoea to GNU/Linux reputation
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ofrnxmr[m]
A lot of features are broken, and there is 0 technical reason to ship the snap
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its just a backdoor
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ofrnxmr[m]
That comes with a worsened user experience
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Stnby[m]
Linux mint is also doomed, if you have some noobie family member suggest them
peppermintos.com
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plowsof
i have snap, flatpak and docker installed , i don't know what im doing i just want to install things :'(
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ofrnxmr[m]
I havent followed mint aside from using it occssionally, why doomed?
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nioc
mint also has debian
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spacekitty420[m]
ubuntu without snaps here cause host OS is just that, host for qemu/kvm and nothing installed so removed snaps there and then in vm, aint using firefox so don't need snap either o.o
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spacekitty420[m]
oh! was for league of legends, when was figuring the best way, tried snap... fucked the whole thing up so never again then did with lutris instead and i think it wasnt using snap, not sure tho
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Stnby[m]
nioc: thought it used Ubuntu as its base
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nioc
Stnby[m]: that's their main one but they have released one based on debian
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spacekitty420[m]
thought mint was based on ubuntu as well, it's still debian based anyways
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Stnby[m]
I just had far less buggy experience with something that has nothing in common with Ubuntu
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Stnby[m]
Ive use Peppermint and Mint and Ubuntu and also had my family run all of these
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Stnby[m]
Peppermint apart from a language picker issue is just rock stable
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Stnby[m]
and the Desktop they thrown up together is also nicely made
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ofrnxmr[m]
Is pettermint Debian based?
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Stnby[m]
Yeah
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Stnby[m]
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Stnby[m]
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Mochi101
Stnby[m], I would use it if it just had 2 more color scheme. In this regard PeppermintOS is just too weak for me.
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Stnby[m]
> The desktop environment is xfce with the nemo file manager set as default, but you have the option to use thunar if you prefer.
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Stnby[m]
haha, I think it has more colors than what you see in the screenshot
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Mochi101
Pretty sad, could have been a good product.
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Stnby[m]
Void Linux is the daily driver
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xfedex[m]
What's wrong with just using Debian?
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Stnby[m]
I do not use it myself too much apart from a VM with bunch of weird software that I need for estonian eid
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Stnby[m]
Systemd XD
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Stnby[m]
* Systemd XD and shitty DE options
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Stnby[m]
* Systemd XD and shitty DE options/presets
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Stnby[m]
* Systemd XD and shitty DE options/presets (for grandmas)
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xfedex[m]
Stnby[m]: Is GNOME bad?
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xfedex[m]
KDE plasma too?
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Mochi101
DE options?
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Mochi101
For Omas?
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xfedex[m]
debian is the base, you can install anything you want in it
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qortz[m]
<xfedex[m]> "What's wrong with just using..." <- Some people want to install a Linux Distro with cli like arch and gentoo
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Stnby[m]
I don't mind debian for my servers. First thing you do is replace systyemd-timesyncd with chrony. 2nd thing is you disable unattended-upgrades
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Stnby[m]
unattended-upgrades is a python script that takes 90% of RAM on small VPSs and ARM boards. Because some crackhead from Ubuntu
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Stnby[m]
* from Ubuntu decided to write in in damn Python
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Stnby[m]
* from Ubuntu decided to write it in damn Python
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Stnby[m]
Saw someone rant about this issue on their forums XD They simply don't care
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sech1
Don't run Ubuntu on small VPSs
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ofrnxmr[m]
alpharabius:
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ofrnxmr[m]
sech1: do you have a recommended os for vps
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sech1
It depends on what they allow you to install there
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sech1
Alpine Linux is very lightweight
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Debian for me
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Mochi101
Just use TempleOS
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Mochi101
All your problems will go away.
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alpharabius[m]
Valid
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ofrnxmr[m]
alpharabius: Stop using shitcoins foo
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alpharabius[m]
My 10 dollars are gone
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alpharabius[m]
These rates are disgraceful
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alpharabius[m]
I would rather die
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alpharabius[m]
I am flabbergasted
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ofrnxmr[m]
XMR to btc is Easy to see if youre getting ripped off...
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alpharabius[m]
I'm gonna sur
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alpharabius[m]
Sue
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ofrnxmr[m]
Just check xmr/btc rate on an exchange, then compare to the rate given by the swap
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alpharabius[m]
I got ripped off
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ofrnxmr[m]
BTC rates are always expensive af because it costs them money to move it
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alpharabius[m]
This is evident
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ofrnxmr[m]
No, its not evident
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nioc
I thought you guys were going to -offtopic
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ofrnxmr[m]
Algernon (Trocador.app): and Morpheus: are trusted members of the community
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alpharabius[m]
10 dollars? When i use changenow i only had to pay a penny or two at most
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ofrnxmr[m]
Morph and trocador arenr in there
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nioc
ah
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alpharabius[m]
* 10 dollars for a fee? When
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bananagirl[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: morphtoken swap is live again?
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bananagirl[m]
i thought it went offline
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ofrnxmr[m]
Trocador.app (by Morpheus)
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bananagirl[m]
ahhh i see
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bananagirl[m]
thanks!
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bananagirl[m]
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bananagirl[m]
thought u meant this
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ofrnxmr[m]
To shorten the solution: if you have your transaction details, contact support and find out what happened.
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ofrnxmr[m]
You probably just didnt check your rate and got what was advertised to you...
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ofrnxmr[m]
Without the tx details (should be in your browser history), nothing anybody can do except for giggle a little because you tried to get BTC and lost a bunch
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ofrnxmr[m]
If you were dumping btc.. now... I think we'd have some sympathy
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ofrnxmr[m]
But you just donated to the "rebuild binances reserves" charity
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alpharabius[m]
alpharabius[m]: The network fee was ONLY A DOLLAR
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ofrnxmr[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Do you own the Bitcoin wallet in question? Or would you like to share the tx details
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: I own the wallet
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nobody is calling you a liar. Some people claimed majesticbank was ripping them off
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ofrnxmr[m]
So, you need to check what exchange gave you the rate and if you received what you were quoted
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alpharabius[m]
Well i need 10 bucks after getting it drained so wut do
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alpharabius[m]
They're telling me it might be the node so i'll check
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ofrnxmr[m]
Who, trocador?
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alpharabius[m]
What i spent vs what i recieved
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: I don't think so idk
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alpharabius[m]
The exchange is saying they only got 0.112 xmr
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MajesticBank
ofrnxmr[m]: ?
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Mochi101
Was a reddit post or something awhile back MajesticBank
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MajesticBank
you can always claim something is bad, but without proof you are just waiting time
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ofrnxmr[m]
Majestic is not even listed for a swap of 0.19xmr > BTC.
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ofrnxmr[m]
You should have received 0.00155+ xmr, and I imagine your tx went through exch or Fixedfloat
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ofrnxmr[m]
Oh
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ofrnxmr[m]
You're using mymonero 😆
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ofrnxmr[m]
Did you restore your wallet? Dont you have to pay for that
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: What does that mean
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alpharabius[m]
alpharabius[m]: And does anyone have 0.09 xmr
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ofrnxmr[m]
alpharabius[m]: Why would you use such an app
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Pay to restore??
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ofrnxmr[m]
alpharabius[m]: You wanna get banned, dont you
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ofrnxmr[m]
^ there was a bunch of fud, but it all seems to be user error or false claims
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Mochi101
alpharabius[m], I lost all my XMR in a terrible Yachting accident.
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ofrnxmr[m]
^
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Cake wallet takes too long to sync and monerujo just doesn't load
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aremor[m]
Mochi101: Several. Over periods of months
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Mochi101
man
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ofrnxmr[m]
alpharabius[m]: Do you even monero
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alpharabius[m]
<alpharabius[m]> "Screenshot_20221128_100933.jpg" <- I put in 0.112 xmr and they take 0.19
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MajesticBank
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: How do people even find that thing?
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MajesticBank
comment / upvote
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Every time i try to sync with cake wallet it restarts or doesn't even connect
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ofrnxmr[m]
Maybe if you ran a node IR even used a real wallet people would consider your ccs proposal
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bananagirl[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: is mymonero bad ? I am using feather and monerujo for on the go spendings
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mymonero stores youre view keys and costs money to give up your view keys
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endogenic
well you can still use mymonero the client if you dont want to give up your viewkey
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ofrnxmr[m]
Post that in community. .
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bananagirl[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: ouch
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: I ran a node on my old pc
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ofrnxmr[m]
Alpha clearly just downloaded convenience and didnt read the disclaimer
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ofrnxmr[m]
You didnt get ripped off by anybody
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ofrnxmr[m]
You paid for mymonero service
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alpharabius[m]
So the lesson is that mymonero sucks?
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endogenic
no
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ofrnxmr[m]
No, the lesson is run your own node or Smh @ you
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endogenic
you can run monero-lws and use mymonero still if you want remote scanning
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aremor[m]
alpharabius[m]: Running your own node might help
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ofrnxmr[m]
You can use mymonero + lws = your own node for free
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ofrnxmr[m]
aremor: nah, alpha wants us to pay him to run nodes for us
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ofrnxmr[m]
But he doesnt even use monero as designed
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ofrnxmr[m]
No what?
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Mochi101
not everybody will, or has the resources to do that ofrnxmr[m]
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Wdym
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mymonero is a third party backend server hosted BT a centralized entity
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ofrnxmr[m]
bananagirl[m]: Yeah, its a new wallet
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bananagirl[m]
anyone heard of anonero ?
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bananagirl[m]
* speaking of wallets: has anyone heard
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alpharabius[m]
Mochi101: Like me
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mochi101: Why not? He has internet?
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Mochi101
ofrnxmr[m], there are even places in the USA that are still on metered internet.
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endogenic
because it's harder, obviously
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ofrnxmr[m]
I run my node on android. .........
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Mochi101
ofrnxmr[m], the world as you see it is not the case for everybody
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: My pc and android don't even have the space for a pruned node
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endogenic
Mochi101: then that means that person doesnt see
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Mochi101
yeah
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ofrnxmr[m]
25kbps is all I need
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alpharabius[m]
Internet isn't the problem
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alpharabius[m]
Space is more the problen
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ofrnxmr[m]
Excuses, excuses
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alpharabius[m]
alpharabius[m]: I barely have enough space for a pruned node, or even a phone i don't use that i can run a node on
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Mochi101
Just buy a $1200 computer so that you can store your $200 worth of Monero and use it correctly... easy... right ofrnxmr[m] ?
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Mochi101
Just don't be poor.
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ofrnxmr[m]
I have an old phone from 2015 running android 7.1 with a 64gb SD card that I got for $20
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Mochi101
yeah yeah ofrnxmr[m]
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Mochi101
Good for you.
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ofrnxmr[m]
I dont even have a computer
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endogenic
the ol' $150 ebay thinkpad with an sd card does work
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Mochi101
Maybe he lives in Pakistan
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ofrnxmr[m]
Android does it for less power costs ^ and lower device cost ^
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alpharabius[m]
Do i look like i'm made of xmr?
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anarkiocrypto[m]
Regarding internet, in some countries 1 GB of mobile internet costs $10 and free wifi isn't common.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Or in my case, almost free
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Mochi101
Or in some little town in Africa somewhere.
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ofrnxmr[m]
But alpha is in USA and wants to host the monero source code for us
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alpharabius[m]
Internet rlly isn't the problem
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ofrnxmr[m]
But cant be bothered to run a node
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alpharabius[m]
I live in mid atlantic us
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: I could run a node
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ofrnxmr[m]
Could > will
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alpharabius[m]
I wanted to multiple times and told you guys about it
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ofrnxmr[m]
And I told you multiple tines to do it
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alpharabius[m]
I'm just not in a good situation
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alpharabius[m]
*would
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ofrnxmr[m]
I understand...... lol a lot of us arent
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anarkiocrypto[m]
Scrolled up but can't find the details. If you want to backup Monero source code, would Archive.org work? Or setup a torrent (many Linux distros are available as torrents for example)?
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ofrnxmr[m]
He has a ccs proposal
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ofrnxmr[m]
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Mochi101
hmmm
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MajesticBank
there was recently ccs proposal for code storage on decentralized networks
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alpharabius[m]
anarkiocrypto[m]: >Archive.org
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alpharabius[m]
>Censors media
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alpharabius[m]
>American
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ofrnxmr[m]
MajesticBank: And they took the money and ran
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Mochi101
I thought this was just about him running a node for his wallet... sorry.
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Mochi101
:)
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alpharabius[m]
The guy plowsof was talking about to me?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its about finding out he doesnt even use nodes, he used potentially fingerprintable transactions and doesnt even know how mymonero works
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ofrnxmr[m]
So, how can I support funding a trusted repo, when the person doesnt even use the blockchain
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MajesticBank
^sadly and exactly
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ofrnxmr[m]
And is accusing Morpheus and others of ripping him off
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Mochi101
my bad... I thought you guys were giving him a hard time because he didn't have the resources for a wallet
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anarkiocrypto[m]
I wonder if Monero node operators could also share the current Monero source code as a torrent. Then you would just need to find one node, and you can download Monero-CLI or Monero-GUI from it. For trust purposes, the source code could be signed (as it is currently) by a trusted community member.
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Mochi101
who would sign it?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nono.. I went ray/alpha to succeed, but he just keep coming with schemes to make money and not doing any legwork
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Mochi101
ah yeah
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: I'm willing to do legwork ofc
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: I wasn't accusing, i was just confused on what was going on bcuz of the fee i had to pay
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ofrnxmr[m]
You used mymonero and didnt even read the disclaimer
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ofrnxmr[m]
Thats 2 shortcuts leading to fud
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ofrnxmr[m]
You took 2 shortcuts* which lead* to fud
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anarkiocrypto[m]
If you want a good wallet for desktop, I would recommend Feather Wallet (uses remote nodes). If you need a web wallet, Spirobel is working on a non-custodial browser wallet.
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anarkiocrypto[m]
Stopped using MyMonero around 2018 when it started to block Tor...
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alpharabius[m]
anarkiocrypto[m]: I need mobile
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anarkiocrypto[m]
AFAIK, both Cake and Monerujo work with remote nodes.
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anhdres[m]
anarkiocrypto[m]: yes they do
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anarkiocrypto[m]
A skip sync feature would be great, if you know you didn't receive any TXs since last time you opened the wallet (especially if you open your wallet once per month, you could save 300+ MB with skip sync).
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Morpheus[m]
If someone has a problem with any Trocador swap, please get in touch with us by email, we'll work to solve issues
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Morpheus[m]
Customer satisfaction is top objective for us
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Morpheus[m]
Trocador just relay rates from the exchanges to the user, so if the user gets ripped by any of the exchanges (let's say, some exchange lie in the rate and deliver less than promised) please let us know
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Morpheus[m]
Our job is to defend the user and give space for the best exchanges, and provide best rates while also delivering privacy
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ofrnxmr[m]
endogenic: can you share when you last can confirm that mymonero was charging the fee?
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Morpheus[m]
Defending the user is the main objective
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endogenic
my control of and access to mymonero code and infra was cut 3 yrs ago. hell i was literally banned / censored from commenting on the mymonero github repos after my feedback was solicited on a PR there haha
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endogenic
it'd be hilarious if it werent so sad
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ofrnxmr[m]
I dont use it, so im not sure
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ofrnxmr[m]
I tried it a few times with lws, but it was still connecting to mymonero and sending my view keys there... God fixed, but smh
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ofrnxmr[m]
Got* fixed
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endogenic
haha
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endogenic
lame as f
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endogenic
*endogenic has been banned from #monero*
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endogenic
*for disrupting shady back room deals and abuse*
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endogenic
*return to your normal activities*
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endogenic
keep shopping
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ofrnxmr[m]
You didnt get banned, did you?
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endogenic
yes i did
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endogenic
with witnesses too hah
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endogenic
it's amazing
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endogenic
tyranny often operates in the open
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ofrnxmr[m]
How are YOU supposed to lead ME when you have no conviction, beat around the bush, and whine about old news
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endogenic
wut
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ofrnxmr[m]
Instead of working on the future
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endogenic
get off irc
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endogenic
and go work
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endogenic
this is my advice to you
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ofrnxmr[m]
You're whining
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endogenic
you're scared
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ofrnxmr[m]
* Please stop
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ofrnxmr[m]
Please stoo
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endogenic
and look, you asked me
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endogenic
so you are now on my naughty list
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endogenic
coal for you
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ofrnxmr[m]
I dont need advice from you
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endogenic
uh
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ofrnxmr[m]
Youre scared, Mr beat around the bush and then scurry into a hole
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ofrnxmr[m]
Peek his head out to snarl and then run away agaib
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moneromoooo
jesus, fuck off already...
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ofrnxmr[m]
🙏 sorry moo
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aremor[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> "^ there was a bunch of fud..." <- Have you ever exchanged there and received what you were originally quoted?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Never used majestic.
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ofrnxmr[m]
I have used trocador
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alpharabius[m]
Ok guys i'm back
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ofrnxmr[m]
I may have used majestic once... months ago. I dont remember now though
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alpharabius[m]
Turns out i had a vps burning a hole in my wallet with enough space to run a node
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ofrnxmr[m]
Are you using the termux node script?
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alpharabius[m]
Nah, i ssh'd into a vps i didn't use and had a couple months left on it
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nioc
37% abttery? in china that will go against your credit score
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nioc
*battery
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alpharabius[m]
Is the script compatible with old pcs? ofrnxmr:
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alpharabius[m]
+ it's an onion node
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ofrnxmr[m]
Not atm.
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ofrnxmr[m]
XMR.sh and monero-bash should be
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Katie[m]
nioc: Way too much phone usage -1000 social credit
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nioc
I was talking financial credit
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nioc
shows that you are not responsible
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ofrnxmr[m]
alpharabius[m]: Syncing your wallet to the onion will be very slow ~ 700kbps
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nioc
it's a real thing
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anarkiocrypto[m]
I only use onion nodes. My average internet speed seems to be around 200 kbps which is fine for me.
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ofrnxmr[m]
If in home, I sync over lan
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ofrnxmr[m]
I only use onions when im bit at home
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aremor[m]
<anarkiocrypto[m]> "I wonder if Monero node operator..." <- 💡
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ofrnxmr[m]
The release code =/= the latest branch or carry pr's etc
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anarkiocrypto[m]
Gitea on a regular VPS can be configured to automatically mirror Github/Gitlab repos.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Pretty much what the runaway ccs did
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alpharabius[m]
I'm thinking about slashing the amount of xmr needed for the library ccs
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alpharabius[m]
What would you guys recommend
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ofrnxmr[m]
0
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ofrnxmr[m]
Do it for free
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alpharabius[m]
Guys or woguys or theyguys or wtv
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alpharabius[m]
I wish
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ofrnxmr[m]
Wownero doesnt get paid to mirror the repo
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aremor[m]
> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Never used majestic.
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aremor[m]
> I have used trocador
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aremor[m]
Ok. I ask people that simple question, and no one has ever told me they received equal to or more than they were quoted. It’s always been less. I wouldn’t call anything FUD without knowing it was FUD
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anarkiocrypto[m]
If he needs to rent a storage VPS for this, it would be good at least to receive donations or use Plowsof's fundraiser script, so that he doesn't need to spend $40~/month out-of-pocket.
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alpharabius[m]
Especially considering i have no job
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ofrnxmr[m]
If it doesnt have evidence, its FUD by definition.. fud is an acronym
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alpharabius[m]
anarkiocrypto[m]: This
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ofrnxmr[m]
anarkiocrypto: the last ccs was 1 xmr
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ofrnxmr[m]
Were not wasting money paying people to do useless tasks
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: The last one was a scam, and i have no relation to it
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its mirrored in multiple places already
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ofrnxmr[m]
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anarkiocrypto[m]
1 XMR could pay for a year for a regular VPS or a few months of a storage VPS (100+ GB).
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yeah, and we got a few weeks
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ofrnxmr[m]
Doesn't matter. It was a pointless ccs that shoyldnt have been funded
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alpharabius[m]
And don't forget there was a whole Library part of the ccs too
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ofrnxmr[m]
It was, because of the low amount. Not because it was a good idea
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plowsof
rayatina has publicy alluded to 'wanting' to host 'controversial' religious books / santioned FOSS software and being raided twice by the feds. not to mention admitting being 14 years old
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ofrnxmr[m]
And ray has no actual plan to make any of thus happen
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anarkiocrypto[m]
If you don't need to archive historical releases, a regular VPS would be enough (even a $12/year deal if you can find one).
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nioc
aremor[m]: nobody says when they received too much lol
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nioc
I once worked as a cashier
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ofrnxmr[m]
Anarkio, $12 per month and he should set it up on his iwb
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ofrnxmr[m]
Prove he can even do it
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anarkiocrypto[m]
His age isn't his fault. I learned programming when I was a teenager (but Bitcoin was very new and Monero didn't exist yet).
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plowsof
the ccs is a cruel process , not for a 14 year old
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nioc
and few will take the time to say it worked as expected
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ofrnxmr[m]
His sugar intake is his fault
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ofrnxmr[m]
He's had 36 different ideas in the past 24 or 25 days
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anarkiocrypto[m]
For "controversial" books, torrents already work.
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: There’s been so many post about it on Reddit, there is plenty of evidence. From multiple different people. Over long periods of time.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Evidence like a screenshot of a before and after
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ofrnxmr[m]
With the actual from exchange rate
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ofrnxmr[m]
I have seen nothing but talk and nobody around here can confirm any of it
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alpharabius[m]
plowsof: Hosting controversial religious books wasn't exactly what i yearn to host, just something that might be part of what's hosted. Anything specifically outlawed by the moldovan government and encourages any harm wilk be outlawed
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alpharabius[m]
*will
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alpharabius[m]
* Hosting controversial religious books wasn't exactly what i yearn to host, just something that might be part of what's hosted. Anything specifically outlawed by the moldovan government and encourages any harm wilk be deleted
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ofrnxmr[m]
Subject to who's approval / judgement
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plowsof
CCS isn't getting involved with anything like that
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ofrnxmr[m]
I might like Gore, Gore like like Epstein
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nioc
$12/mo is only only 8 deposit bottles a day, surely you can collect that
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aremor[m]
nioc: In this case, no one is saying they received their correct change
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: What?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Were not funding something completely non monero related that is a textbook experimental
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: All that was posted on Reddit.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Pics or it didnt happen
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» aremor[m] going afk to go enjoy the BlockFi news on Twitter
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ofrnxmr[m]
In this case, links.
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ofrnxmr[m]
I remember a lot of stuff got deleted but I also remember majestic is still here
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ofrnxmr[m]
In this chat, right now
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anarkiocrypto[m]
Maybe something like SatoshiBox could work (and would be more relevant to Monero). People upload files and users can pay x Monero to the uploader to download them. Also good for musicians, authors, software devs or a Patreon-like platform. But I remember seeing something like this already in Reddit.
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: You can find it on r/monero if you want. I don’t feel obligated to do it. It’s all there.
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aremor[m]
If people care they can look it up. It doesn’t really affect me
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ofrnxmr[m]
Anark. I think you should mentor alpharabius:
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alpharabius[m]
<plowsof> "the ccs is a cruel process , not..." <- How is it cruel
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spacekitty420[m]
yo wtf, just watched an hour episode and took me like 20 whole minutes just to catch up on this chat.... yall so chatty up in here today like what in the fuck o.o
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aremor[m]
I now boycott orangefren.com because there’s been so many episodes of that person listing MB, then removing, then adding, then removing, that now I equally don’t trust orangefren.com and I recommend trocador when given the opportunity
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: I've been looking for a mentor dkr weeks
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alpharabius[m]
*for
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plowsof
@aremor orangefren is a javascript with referral codes
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ofrnxmr[m]
anarkiocrypto: wont employ you, but seems to have some advice for you
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ofrnxmr[m]
plowsof: Does it work without js over onion? Or the onion uses js
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spacekitty420[m]
<anarkiocrypto[m]> "For "controversial" books..." <- right, probably could find "mein kempf" in torrent
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plowsof
its a javascript, trocador is an actual back end api
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: 🥲
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aremor[m]
plowsof: Orangefren has an operator that is very active on r/monero and has made the actions I described
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aremor[m]
That goes by u/orangefren
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plowsof
you're not going to stir any fud here, take it elsewhere
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plowsof
majesticbank bad orengefren bad, thank you for the information
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anarkiocrypto[m]
I can barely earn $200/month for rent... I am not the right person to mentor someone (not skilled nor successful)... If I had more money, I would be happy to hire people to improve/work on Bitejo (especially marketing and management) but I almost lost my apartment this month...
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alpharabius[m]
I heard about bitejo online and it seems like something i'd like to work on
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anarkiocrypto[m]
But if you know (or are willing to learn) C++, frontend design or maybe graphics, NeroShop has some paid bounties:
matrix.to/#/#neroshop:matrix.org
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aremor[m]
plowsof: Orangefren poles exchangers for quotes. The MB quote is 100% of the time inaccurate in only one direction, the direction that pays out less. But again, people should do their own research on r/monero
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alpharabius[m]
anarkiocrypto[m]: 200 for rent???? My mum lives in a mouse infested apartment and we pay almost 2k
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ofrnxmr[m]
Is that orangefren giving bad quotes, or majestic? aremor:
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spacekitty420[m]
alpharabius: that's because you're in usa
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anarkiocrypto[m]
I don't live in the US. But still find it difficult to earn this money...
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alpharabius[m]
spacekitty420[m]: Makes sense
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Orangefren works well with every other exchanger and frequently delists MB…. So you tell me….
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anarkiocrypto[m]
Alpha – Are you interested in learning programming? Maybe it could be interesting for you and you could work on some Monero ecosystem projects (C++ for NeroShop, Java for Haveno, there are also some Go, Python and JavaScript projects).
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aremor[m]
I just can’t figure out why the guy keeps adding it back
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alpharabius[m]
anarkiocrypto[m]: I'm looking to learn and join a project
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spacekitty420[m]
anyways, yall pissing me off being all like tryna compare orangefen with trocador (even on reddit....) when times and times again it's been said that it's 2 completely different services, orangefren just being an aggregator of swap exchanges while trocador does the whole proxy thing between them and user so don't even have to leave the website (and no js)
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aremor[m]
But like I said, I gave up trying to figure that out. Orangefren is a tier 2 service now
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ofrnxmr[m]
Morpheus: and MajesticBank: are right here. Why havent I heard any first hand complaints here?
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alpharabius[m]
Keep me occupied for the winter yk
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alpharabius[m]
alpharabius[m]: Maybe even make pocket money for a rainy day
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anarkiocrypto[m]
You could join this room for example:
matrix.to/#/#neroshop:matrix.org C++ is a useful language to learn in general.
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anarkiocrypto[m]
Or if you want to try Java, Haveno still has some bounties:
matrix.to/#/#haveno:haveno.network
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spacekitty420[m]
penumbra also has bounties (haveno fork)
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aremor[m]
spacekitty420[m]: Because not everyone cares for or needs a proxy. And if that is the case, they are far more similar
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ofrnxmr[m]
How so? Trocador is a proxy
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Because Reddit is more accessible?
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plowsof
trocador has deprecated orangefren
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ofrnxmr[m]
So if trocador shows you the wrong rate Morpheus: and MajesticBank: get to battle it out
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alpharabius[m]
anarkiocrypto[m]: I have barely any knowledge when it comes to those languages, i mainly work on stuff like system administration
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ofrnxmr[m]
I doubt majestic is going to feed Morpheus lies.
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alpharabius[m]
alpharabius[m]: I can learn though
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ofrnxmr[m]
Morpheus is the one who gets all the Blame for the trade, since its done through trocador (proxy) without ever interacting with the actual swap site.
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ofrnxmr[m]
What trocador shows you, is what you should expect
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spacekitty420[m]
ofrnxmr: the whole majestic drama about and admin account getting fully nuked or some shit, can't even remember the details, whatever, but is that none of it actually been addressed properly then mb just was like all rude and whatnot in here when asked just to clarify it, it's basically been swept under the rug ever since
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spacekitty420[m]
s/and/an/
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ofrnxmr[m]
And im leaving it up to Morpheus to know if it happens on his platform
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Both can be used to find exchange rates……
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ofrnxmr[m]
Trocador does the exchange for you
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Same as orangefren did
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ofrnxmr[m]
Orsngefren sends you to their website with a referral code
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ofrnxmr[m]
Or am i crazy again
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: If only doubts were guarantees
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alpharabius[m]
I might abandon the ccs and trying to take on a mentorship or apprenticeship
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spacekitty420[m]
aremor[m]: difference is with orangefren you leaving the website to go to fixedfloat's website for example then there's all those embed trackers and all that stuff, is same as saying, why would u use xmr if you can just use btc
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ofrnxmr[m]
And Fixedfloat can show you whatever they want. We dont know who Fixedfloat is
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ofrnxmr[m]
Morpheus has to honor what his site shows you, so he has to go after anyone that screws around
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aremor[m]
spacekitty420[m]: I actually forgot about that part
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aremor[m]
> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Orsngefren sends you to their website with a referral code
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aremor[m]
> Or am i crazy again
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aremor[m]
You can get the quote within orangefren
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spacekitty420[m]
ikr, it's like in real world, some of the most fucked up shit happens then 3 days later everyone already forgot so the gov entities and whatnot can jsut push it further and further everytime cause everyone just forget anyways
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aremor[m]
spacekitty420[m]: Yes. Which isn’t really relevant. The issue is that the quote is a lie.
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spacekitty420[m]
mb's quote isnt accurate?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Again.. the quote on majestic might lie to you, but is it lying to Morpheus?
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: FF does honor though. Unlike another service
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ofrnxmr[m]
Orangefren* honors Fixedfloat
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plowsof
FixedFloat offers a fixed rate and a floating rate
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spacekitty420[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: probably would, that's not a selective scam, well, wouldnt think so
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ofrnxmr[m]
Right? Lying to Morpheus is just asking to get exposed extremely fast
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: I have not used Trocador. Yet I still recommend it over orangefren at this point for the stated reasons
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ofrnxmr[m]
People like myself and Monerobull and spacekitty use trocador
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ofrnxmr[m]
Alpha just used it, which is why I said "show me"
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ofrnxmr[m]
Because if he got ripped off, we'd have a problem.
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ofrnxmr[m]
But he didnt. So we dont.
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spacekitty420[m]
been shilling trocador but actually havent used it just yet o.o
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aremor[m]
spacekitty420[m]: Over the clear scam
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spacekitty420[m]
regularly checking the quotes since launch tho, just in case nothing shady going around, just not going through the actual trade
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monerobull[m]
Use mine on monerosupplies.com to give me 5 cents of commission/s
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spacekitty420[m]
aremor: so to do a tldr of the situation, you saying that majestic showing the wrong quote but in your opinion, is an issue with majestic, not trocador, right?
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aremor[m]
Maybe saw the page 1 time. But been watching as the community has been hyping Trocador. Haven’t seen any complaints. The complete opposite when it comes to OF + MB
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monerobull[m]
monerobull[m]: It's referral not commission*
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plowsof
there was a reddit post where someone used many swappers and listed the quote + received , i'd have to look
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nioc
why use a swap service instead of a non kyc exchange and send your own txs
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ofrnxmr[m]
Personally, never had an issue with Fixedfloat or exch
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spacekitty420[m]
aremor[m]: right, like, not to trashtalk OF or anything but that's just been my own opinion, even tho they been active on reddit and such, everytime there was an issue with a quote, for some reason i always felt like that was just something shady from OF's part, not saying they shady or anything tho, just how i perceived it everytime they had an issue like that
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plowsof
is this a fixed rate or a floating rate issue (FF definitely lets you pay extra for a fixed rate)
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ofrnxmr[m]
I dont use majestic because the rate is not 0.5 or 1%, its some random floating number... I think
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aremor[m]
nioc: Speed
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spacekitty420[m]
nioc: too much hassle registering, then making a new single use email everytime then setting up 2FA everytime... like, sure, tradeogre is great but if wanting each tx not to be linked to eachothers, swap exchanges are more ideal imo
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spacekitty420[m]
and speed too yeah
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plowsof
houdini has left the chat
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aremor[m]
nioc: You know one that does not reuse addresses?
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ofrnxmr[m]
nioc: confirmation times
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nioc
yes, convince, always pay for that
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bananagirl[m]
aremor[m]: is there a non kyc exchange for monero ? only kucoin and ogre rigtht?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Swap sites typically accept the deposit after 1-2 conf
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aremor[m]
plowsof: OF says he tried their various different APIs and couldn’t get a combination where the quote was coming back correctly
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nioc
aremor[m]: deposit adresses? no
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qortz[m]
bananagirl[m]: Swap sites, bisq, localmonero, tradeogre
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plowsof
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aremor[m]
plowsof: I can probably take a look today or tomorrow
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plowsof
oh right, shotgun kyc from fixedfloat - i forgot
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nioc
is someone really tracking monero deposits to a single address?
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bananagirl[m]
plowsof: incognito is useless as there is almost no liqudity there
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aremor[m]
nioc: What about the other currency?
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bananagirl[m]
qortz[m]: yeah but i meant regular exchanges and not swaps :(
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spacekitty420[m]
aremor[m]: the quote is changing very quickly on fixedfloat, been using it for a long time now (even few days ago for an LTC > XMR to which they sent me even more xmr that was originally intended thanks to the floating option), only issue with them imo is when they disable buying monero cause binance being shady closing withdrawals and they get their liquditity from there and that one time a bisq user got their funds locked up
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nioc
aremor[m]: I am assuming that people only have monero and need another currency for some reason :D
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plowsof
FF has the luxury of javascript to display / update a value i think right?
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spacekitty420[m]
right
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bananagirl[m]
plowsof: yeah :(
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aremor[m]
spacekitty420[m]: Exactly. They fluctuate in both directions. There’s no reports of that for MB on OF
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ofrnxmr[m]
The liquidity is literally because these exchanges have their own reserves
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Morpheus[m]
<aremor[m]> "I have not used Trocador. Yet..." <- We just relay the rates that the exchanges sends us when we create the request
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plowsof
i would just avoid OF simply due to it being js
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bananagirl[m]
ff will block the swap if you obfuscate your fingerprint
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ofrnxmr[m]
They have to go to binance to replenish them, but Binance also goes to them and empties them out
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Morpheus[m]
Is it hard to understand that we can't know for sure if the exchange will obey by that they promised to deliver?
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Morpheus[m]
Just use a different exchange from the list if you dont like one
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nioc
SHUM
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bananagirl[m]
plowsof: of= orangefriends right?
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Morpheus[m]
s/that/what/
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nioc
#monero-maxi
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ofrnxmr[m]
If there is a problem, we can contact you and you'll contact the exchange though, yea, yea? Morpheus:
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aremor[m]
nioc: I haven’t tested this, but I wonder when you do a withdrawal of btc from TO if the source address is that same address that is hard coded to your account. If so, you’re fucked.
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Morpheus[m]
We will implement next month a way to detect and auto adjust rates based on past trades in each exchange
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Morpheus[m]
But that is not implemented yet
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nioc
aremor[m]: don't know, usually it's from their address
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aremor[m]
Essentially TO is the same as using bitcoin directly at that point. Yeah it’s pseudononymous, not anonymous
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Morpheus[m]
As of now we still rely on what each exchange sends as response of the request
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bananagirl[m]
Morpheus[m]: the only exchange that does not have paper monero afaik is kraken qwq
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ofrnxmr[m]
If the rate shows 1BTC to be paid but the person received 0.9btc, does trocador know?
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Morpheus[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: We can implement that, but as of now we still rely on the user complaining
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nioc
tracking btc they know it's from a certain exchange so I assumed, maybe incorrectly, that it was an address of the exchange
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nioc
s/an/the
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Morpheus[m]
We will implement a rating system of the "average divergence" for each exchange
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Morpheus[m]
It on our plans to implement that
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aremor[m]
Morpheus[m]: 100% understood. But when it becomes obvious that some exchange is flat out shady, a delisting may be in order
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yeah. Would be good if
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ofrnxmr[m]
User input 1xmr
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ofrnxmr[m]
should receive 3.5 ltc
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ofrnxmr[m]
Api shows swapped received 1xmr but is sending 3.3ltc = less then quoted = flag
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nioc
I just assume that anytime I use btc it is tracked
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ofrnxmr[m]
Swapped > swap site
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ofrnxmr[m]
Flag > query exchange rate again = compare = punish if bot accurate
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ofrnxmr[m]
Not*
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nioc
when using btc you not only do you have to consider what today's tracking is possible but what is possible in the future
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Morpheus[m]
Some trades the user loses a small %, some trades he wins a %... so the average the exchange must be around 0%. If some exchange shows discrepancy, we will be able to show the user this
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nioc
retroactive
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bananagirl[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> "I dont use majestic because..." <- isnt majestic in this chat? can they explain their rates?
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Morpheus[m]
* Users must understand that we can't know for sure if the exchange will obey by what they promised to deliver?
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ofrnxmr[m]
They are, and they've said "show proof" and nobody has shown any on matrix/irc where the proof cant be deleted
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Morpheus[m]
* Users must understand that we can't know for sure if the exchange will obey by what they promised to deliver
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Morpheus[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> "If there is a problem, we can..." <- Yes, users must tell us
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ofrnxmr[m]
And Morpheus, I presume, hasnt received any complaints about majestic, so who am I to judge what I cant see?
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spacekitty420[m]
and majestic is like the only ones with wownero so everything else can just fuck off o.o
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Morpheus[m]
<aremor[m]> "100% understood. But when it..." <- Yes, but some users might still want to trade there due to privacy. This is hard to deal because users only complain when they receive less.
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Morpheus[m]
When creating floating rate exchanges, half trades pay more, half pay less
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Morpheus[m]
What we need is a way to auto detect divergences and show the users before creating the trade
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spacekitty420[m]
maybe make fixed the default instead of float?
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Morpheus[m]
And putting a rate to each exchange
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Morpheus[m]
spacekitty420[m]: But fixed pay less
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Morpheus[m]
People want floating rates
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bananagirl[m]
Morpheus[m]: i guess adding a option at the end of an swap and showing how much the user received vs advertised might be good
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ofrnxmr[m]
Personally, id (never would have listed) delist majestic because its a non standard swapper
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bananagirl[m]
so something like: you received 0.1% more than the quoted rate! congrats! or smth like that
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ofrnxmr[m]
~0.5% is a gamble
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ofrnxmr[m]
Set it to 0.5 or less + a 1% fixed rate and we have a swapper
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anarkiocrypto[m]
I only use fixed (I pay invoices via swap services, so I only need my Monero wallet, but can pay with BTC/LTC/other coins).
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ofrnxmr[m]
But I wont use it because I dont trust ~0.5% as any actionable number
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bananagirl[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: giving people options is good and majestic is active in the community so yay i guess?
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Morpheus[m]
I'm against preventing the user to do something. We should allow free choice. What we must do, however, is providing information beforehand so users can take the best decision
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bananagirl[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: so the max amount they take is 0.5?
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ofrnxmr[m]
No
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Morpheus[m]
bananagirl[m]: Yes
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spacekitty420[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: wtf?.... everything "standard" can be as if not more shady than non-standard tho.... like, mt. gox is standart, ftx standard, binance standard and they all shady pieces of shit so.... fuck that
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nobody knows the max
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ofrnxmr[m]
Kitty.. I explain.
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ofrnxmr[m]
0.5% floating or 1% fixed at the time of the exchange is "standard"
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ofrnxmr[m]
Not really though, some do 1-5%
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ofrnxmr[m]
But im saying majestic just says "~0.5%" which could mean 0, could bean 40, who knows
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ofrnxmr[m]
So they can quote at 0, but then charge you 1, and thats all fair game.
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bananagirl[m]
Morpheus[m]: and showing the average % rate from all the swaps that have been made beforehand would be great to give users more control over what they would get in the end - the downside to this is that all swap data would have to be collected and saved - so data privacy wise this might be a no go 👀🧐
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Morpheus[m]
I think detecting the final amount and either A) adjusting future swaps for each exchange, or B) showing the user the divergence beforehand would solve this issue
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ofrnxmr[m]
I think the easier solution of for majestic to fix the rate to 0.5% (or less?)
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ofrnxmr[m]
Instead of randomly charging people 0.1% or 2%
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Morpheus[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: If you do this, the exchange will just "lie" another 0.5
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Morpheus[m]
Not saying Majestic would do this, just saying it doesn't solve anything
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ofrnxmr[m]
The base divergence should be compared to actual rates
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bananagirl[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: maybe they could add a fixed rate function so people would not have to deal with their inconsistent rates
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ofrnxmr[m]
I think you already do this?
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Morpheus[m]
Yes, then auto adjust
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Morpheus[m]
So it wouldn't be good for exchanges to lie, because the system would auto adjust
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plowsof
im only going to lie to trocador requests
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aremor[m]
<Morpheus[m]> "We can implement that, but as of..." <- This would help greatly, as you’ll have data of both directions
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Morpheus[m]
plowsof: Hahaha
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plowsof
if this can work, its a great idea (we've never seen this before i think)
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Morpheus[m]
But it's a competition, it's tempting for them to do that
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plowsof
stats on all swap services - over time - not just a one off
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Morpheus[m]
Trocador's job is to defend the user inside this war
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Morpheus[m]
And provide good rates
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bananagirl[m]
bananagirl[m]: their floating rate ratio is way too inconsistent and many people are turned off by this and I saw many complaints on dread - if they could add it people would be so much more likely to use their services and would be satisfied - I personally love the ethos that MB supports so would be great if you could do so :) MajesticBank ❤️
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ofrnxmr[m]
And rank them via their honesty.....
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Morpheus[m]
plowsof: This will work
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plowsof
swapping xmr -> transparent block chain right?
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Morpheus[m]
plowsof: Imagine before starting a swap you know for a fact that exchange A lies in average 0.5% while exchange B only 0.1%
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ofrnxmr[m]
Itd basically downranking the exchange, right?
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ofrnxmr[m]
plowsof: Should work, because the exchange will report that they received the correct amount
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Morpheus[m]
bananagirl[m]: They have. And we have fixed rate for majestic
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plowsof
if i was spreading fud (when this system is in place) i would send a large (partial) tx to a swap service (so the payment does not happen) then i would make a support ticket - and say i cant afford the full amount - please do the exchange - then trocador sees that 30% of the requested amount arrives
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bananagirl[m]
Morpheus[m]: oh ! was unaware of this!
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plowsof
repeat the process to bring the numbers down of those i don;t like
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ofrnxmr[m]
aremor: majestic has fixed rated via trocador
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Morpheus[m]
plowsof: We already detect when the user sends less than a certain %
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bananagirl[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: so they made a special deal with trocador?
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bananagirl[m]
thats awesome
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plowsof
you wouldnt know how much xmr i sent to the exchange though
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ofrnxmr[m]
Who knows, but you cant get scammed with a fixed rate..
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Morpheus[m]
It's on their API
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ofrnxmr[m]
plowsof: From the api, ofc it relies on the exchange telling the truth about your deposit
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Morpheus[m]
We just used it
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plowsof
"Its on their api" doh, i had no idea, lol then this is great
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bananagirl[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: hmm just checked and their fixed rate is 2.5% :(
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Morpheus[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Yeah, but if comes to this...
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ofrnxmr[m]
Which rheyd be crazy to lie about, considering you have proof
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Morpheus[m]
bananagirl[m]: It changes all the time
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ofrnxmr[m]
Proof = you crested and sent the transaction. If they skim your deposit, they are stealing in broad daylight
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Morpheus[m]
Sometimes their fixed rate is better than all rates
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bananagirl[m]
ohh i see! thats great to hear!
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Morpheus[m]
Anyway, I just hope people understand Trocador.app is on the second month... we have been working around clock to bring updates and we have a bunch of awesome ideas for the future
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Morpheus[m]
But... the system still relies on the user reporting abuse
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Morpheus[m]
We have less than two months active and more than a thousand swaps without any KYC
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bananagirl[m]
Morpheus[m]: thank you so much for creating it! super glad that it exists :)
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Morpheus[m]
bananagirl[m]: Thank you for liking, sharing and using the service
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Morpheus[m]
On our road ahead, we plan A) month releasing a fixed rate payment system. B) integrating into some exchanges next month C) making a user review system of each exchange D) implement auto rate adjustment based on amounts delivered E) showing users the average divergence from each exchange F) adding double swaps when there's low liquidity for a coin. Trocador will create chain swaps between two exchanges, with the output from one serving as
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Morpheus[m]
the input of the other. So, if you want wownero, and have, tron, for example, we'll swap your tron for BTC on changenow but swap BTC for wownero on majestic
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Morpheus[m]
s/exchanges/wallets/
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bananagirl[m]
Morpheus[m]: Ohhh so something like 1inch but for swaps? sounds super interesting!!!
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aremor[m]
<plowsof> "if this can work, its a great..." <- CMC claims to rate exchanges based on order slippage. But it’s owned by Binance so who tf knows. The idea is there though.
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plowsof
i had no idea this was a thing, thanks aremor
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spacekitty420[m]
binance assigning themselves the "most trusted exchange in existence" score on their own website (cmc) is like next level comedy :3
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Mochi101
spacekitty420[m], I am the most trusted person in Monero
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Mochi101
trust me
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nioc
can confirm
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bananagirl[m]
<spacekitty420[m]> "binance assigning themselves the..." <- ftx was placed second back then so yeah xD
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Mochi101
and spacekitty420[m], you can trust nioc's confirmation because he's the second most trusted person in Monero
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nioc
so FTX lol
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Mochi101
hehehe
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Morpheus[m]
* On our road ahead, we plan A) this month releasing a fixed rate payment system. B) integrating into some wallets next month C) making a user review system of each exchange D) implement auto rate adjustment based on amounts delivered E) showing users the average divergence from each exchange F) adding double swaps when there's low liquidity for a coin. Trocador will create chain swaps between two exchanges, with the output from one
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Morpheus[m]
serving as the input of the other. So, if you want wownero, and have, tron, for example, we'll swap your tron for BTC on changenow but swap BTC for wownero on majestic
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nioc
aremor[m]: as to the possibility of an exchange send a btc withdrawal from an address associated with your account, imagine binance trying to manage that? It should be from their own hot wallet that every blockchain surveillance company knows the address of.
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nioc
I did ask for definitive info which I haven't received yet but it seems it will be as above
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ofrnxmr[m]
Even kraken charges you a deposit fee for eth because they have to move your eth into their wallet
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its usually one of their hot wallets, I dont think they keep your money in your wallet address for any amount of time
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wormrobot
monerobull[m]: Yes thank you ill refresh-from-block-height XXX and ill match my wallet creation, or will it be my wallets restore height?
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wormrobot
monerobull[m]: & yes system time is up to date
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wormrobot
selsta: im on linux
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wormrobot
moneromoooo: Error: Unknown command 'refresh-from-block-height', try 'help'
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wormrobot
moneromoooo: Yes thank you ill refresh-from-block-height XXX and ill match my wallet creation, or will it be my wallets restore height?
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wormrobot
moneromoooo: & yes system time is up to date
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wormrobot
sorry was pinging the wrong person
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wormrobot
btw i think monero-cli is way cooler the GUI
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wormrobot
we need more helpful docs on how to properly use it and keep it secure!
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wormrobot
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moneromoooo
You forgot "set": set refresh-from-block-height XXXX
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moneromoooo
I do not understnad the question though.
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moneromoooo
You need to set XXXX to a block height roughly when you created that wallet, or earlier.
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moneromoooo
0 is the earliest you can do, and is always safe, but the subsequent rescan will be the longest.
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wormrobot
moneromoooo: okay perfect now i understand!
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wormrobot
how do i check whats the current block height for the monero blockchain, in real time? does monero-cli wallet has a command for checking the current block height?
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aremor[m]
<nioc> "aremor: as to the possibility of..." <- Good point. So the issue is when you want to buy Monero then. Because for you to deposit you’re stuck with that single address.
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selsta
wormrobot: ./monerod status
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selsta
post the output here
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wormrobot
selsta: ty!
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wormrobot
this is cool lol I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi'
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selsta
it should display the block height
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moneromoooo
If there's none other running with --detach, just "status" in the monerod console.
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wormrobot
yeah i does
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wormrobot
it*
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wormrobot
and im still doing this Starting refresh...
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selsta
can you post the full status output?
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wormrobot
2022-11-28 20:59:21.033 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.2-release)
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wormrobot
Height: 2650832/2765932 (95.8%) on mainnet, not mining, net hash 2.47 GH/s, v14, 12(out)+0(in) connections, uptime 0d 10h 3m 59s
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wormrobot
but in another terminal window im doing, rescan_bc
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DanIsnotthemanBr
in?
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wormrobot
DanIsnotthemanBr: 0
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DanIsnotthemanBr
0
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wormrobot
yeah idk
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DanIsnotthemanBr
port open?
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wormrobot
what port?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
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DanIsnotthemanBr
"Make sure that port 18080 is open"
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wormrobot
DanIsnotthemanBr: it is running and opened
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DanIsnotthemanBr
port forwarded too?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
needs to open on router and you machine with monerod
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DanIsnotthemanBr
* needs to be open on
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DanIsnotthemanBr
* needs to be open on router and your machine with monerod
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wormrobot
DanIsnotthemanBr: yeah i think i have to port foward that port from my router to my machine
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wormrobot
can someone else vouch+ so i dont open a random port on my router! Dan nothing against you just being safe
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moneromoooo
Opening port 18080 will allow incoming p2p connections to monerod, assuming yo're using default port settings.
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moneromoooo
It's 18081 you want to block.
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wormrobot
moneromoooo: okay thank you 18081 is running and opened, thank you!!!
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moneromoooo
...
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moneromoooo
Reado, typo, or braino ?
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moneromoooo
18080: safe; 18081: unsafe.
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wormrobot
moneromoooo: should i block 18081 incomming and outgoing connections?
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moneromoooo
From the outside, yes.
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wormrobot
or just block its incomming?
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moneromoooo
Well, you probably don't need to RPC to strangers' nodes, so both in/out is fine.
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wormrobot
moneromoooo: okay thank you, i will block it now
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nioc
aremor[m]: what issues do you see with using the same monero deposit address. You and the exchange have records of what is deposited regardless of the address scheme used and that address is ofc not on the blockchain.
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ofrnxmr[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
wormrobot:
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ofrnxmr[m]
Also selsta and moo
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ofrnxmr[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
In case it doesnt work for selsta and moo, I said "is your node synced" and sent this link
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ofrnxmr[m]
It appears wormrobot: node just isnt finished syncing?
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ofrnxmr[m]
<wormrobot> "Height: 2650832/2765932 (95.8..." <- ^
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DanIsnotthemanBr
yeah 95%
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DanIsnotthemanBr
i think 18080 was block too
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ofrnxmr[m]
12 outgoing connections and 10hrs uptime.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Im assuming hdd
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ofrnxmr[m]
print_net_stats in the daemon window show the average network speeds
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wormrobot
sorry guys i was blocking ports with iptables
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ofrnxmr[m]
And how much was up/downloaded
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ofrnxmr[m]
Try print_net_stats
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ofrnxmr[m]
In the daemon
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wormrobot
but monerod still uses 18081 when i run the daemon
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wormrobot
okay running it now one sec
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ofrnxmr[m]
Oh nvm
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ofrnxmr[m]
I needed the numbers before you closed it 😅
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moneromoooo
Good point about a half synced node. Didn't think of that :D
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ofrnxmr[m]
Anyway, everything looks fine.. your node just isnt synced
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wormrobot
moneromoooo: do i have to change the monero.conf port ? because since i blocked in/out connections for 18081 now my monero-wallet-cli is getting stuck when it opens lol
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moneromoooo
Don't block it for the loopback.
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moneromoooo
Or if your wallet is on another machine, just ensure it's blocked at the router, not for LAN.
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wormrobot
moneromoooo: so your saying dont block the ports on my machine just the routers in/out connections to that port?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yes
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: got it lol
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: Received 1006695587 bytes (960.06 MB) in 186200 packets in 9.7 minutes, average 1.66 MB/s = 20.73% of the limit of 8.00 MB/s
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wormrobot
Sent 969995 bytes (947.26 kB) in 939 packets in 9.7 minutes, average 1.64 kB/s = 0.08% of the limit of 2.00 MB/s
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moneromoooo
In general, just open what you need. No more.
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moneromoooo
18081 is needed by the wallet to talk to the node, so open this just on the interfaces that will be used for this.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Are you using a hard drive or an ssd
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: ssd
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: laptops ssd
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ofrnxmr[m]
And if you need to access from outside of the local network... (full message at <
libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…62fde38f5c0f1123f8a06d10904c66aa6ea>)
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ofrnxmr[m]
wormrobot: Should be synced in a few minutes at that speed
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: thats the daemon giving me these outputs not the monero-wallet-cli
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yes
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wormrobot
the wallet isnt opened, i closed it not that long ago
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ofrnxmr[m]
The daemon needs to sync first
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wormrobot
and i was using a vpn at first and forgot to split the shells tunnel so maybe that was also interfering
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ofrnxmr[m]
Synced daemon should = no more wallet error
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ofrnxmr[m]
Probably speed limited?
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: at first yes thats what im guessing
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wormrobot
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ofrnxmr[m]
Are you running the daemon from the terminal?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Or from GUI
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: i used systemctl to start it
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wormrobot
terminal
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wormrobot
shell;
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: now im in /usr/bin/ giving commands to ./monerod status <-- like so
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ofrnxmr[m]
In the systemd script, change
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ofrnxmr[m]
./monerod --detach
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ofrnxmr[m]
To
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ofrnxmr[m]
./monerod --rpc-restricted-bind-ip=0.0.0.0 --rpc-restricted-bind-port=18089 --detach
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ofrnxmr[m]
In the service* file
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: i use systemctl but yeah, do you mean systemctl or systemd config file?
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ofrnxmr[m]
The monero service file that you created
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: Forking to background...
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ofrnxmr[m]
Can you share your service file
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ofrnxmr[m]
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: service file, where would the service file be located? sorry im a bit confused now
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ofrnxmr[m]
How did you initially set up your node? Using seths guide?
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wormrobot
i used a package manager to download monero-wallet-gui
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wormrobot
then i used its CLI function because i like working in shells and now im here lol
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wormrobot
but first i ran the GUI to make the simple wallet
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wormrobot
for only sending a recieving not for mining
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ofrnxmr[m]
Try
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ofrnxmr[m]
ls /etc/systemd/system/
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ofrnxmr[m]
I presume its called monero.service
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ofrnxmr[m]
You can just try
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ofrnxmr[m]
cat /etc/systemd/system/monero.service
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: i found it, its in here /usr/lib/systemd/system
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: and is called monerod.service
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wormrobot
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ofrnxmr[m]
If the exec line shows
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ofrnxmr[m]
./monerod --config-file=
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ofrnxmr[m]
Share the config file instead
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wormrobot
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ofrnxmr[m]
You wont need to edit that.
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ofrnxmr[m]
You'll need to edit /etc/monerod.conf
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ofrnxmr[m]
Ok, I see you have conf in there too. Just 1 sec
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: okay perfect no problem
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ofrnxmr[m]
rpc-restricted-bind-ip=0.0.0.0
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ofrnxmr[m]
rpc-restricted-bind-port=18089
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ofrnxmr[m]
Edit conf and add these (on separate lines)
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: does it matter if i add it to the top or the bottom?
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wormrobot
better if is the bottom huh?
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wormrobot
but im sure it wouldnt matter
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nope. Doesnt matter
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: all done. should i restart the daemon?
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wormrobot
even thos is probably still not fully synced
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yes
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ofrnxmr[m]
You can chexk
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ofrnxmr[m]
Type ./monerod status
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wormrobot
to late lol
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wormrobot
should i also enable the daemon?
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wormrobot
systemd enable?
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wormrobot
systemd enable monerod?
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wormrobot
so it starts on its own?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Thats up to you.
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: also true, wallets status is 98.4% synced
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ofrnxmr[m]
Wallet or daemon?
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aremor[m]
<nioc> "aremor: what issues do you see..." <- The monero deposit address is not the issue. The issue is the deposit addresses of other currencies, when they are a public ledger. After certain known transactions happen, any analysis of that ledger shows that address belongs to you. Then there is no way to change that address unless you continue making throw away accounts on TO.
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nioc
ok, I thought you used monero as an example
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nioc
but yes other currencies are a problem :D
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aremor[m]
nioc: I do both buying and selling of monero. Monero is always in the equation, it just depends what side.
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: daemon
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wormrobot
ofrnxmr[m]: btw the wallets always sync the daemon is the only one thats taking hours to sync
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selsta
you are verifying 8 years of blockchain history it will take a bit
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selsta
with SSD it should take 12-24h, with HDD longer
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wormrobot
selsta: ohh okay true! perfect thank you.
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wormrobot
aprox whats the size of a single block? every 10 minutes
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selsta
blocks are every 2 minutes, median block is 300kB in size
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selsta
oh wait that's the block size limit
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wormrobot
selsta: oh shit btc is 10 minutes, so monero is 2 minutes?
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selsta
yes
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wormrobot
nice
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wormrobot
whois wormrobot
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wormrobot
sorry