is it bad habbit to keep re-using the same address to receive payments on?

probably

use sub-addresses if you can

But, it depends on your threat model.

If you're hiding from the Chinese government because you're accepting donations for free speach you should probably not re-use your addresses.

But if you're selling hand made organic soap in rural USA, you're probably fine.

But, if you're selling unpasteurized grass fed cow milk in the same location where you're selling your hand made organic soap you might want to use a different sub-address for every sale.

either way moneros privacy should be able to cover my ass lulz

It does, but those milk lobbyists have been known to go after people with quite a bit of force.

Mochi101: & thank you yes! i dont want to have all my transactions for different products on the same address

outside of opsec using subaddresses can also help you keep track of where payments are coming from

wormrobot, you can think of sub-addresses as invoice numbers

a unique one for every sale

but i mean i wont remember a exchanges address or a consumer of my products monero address, but i totally understand what you mean

Mochi101: yes true good point!!

wormrobot, you could set up something easy. It's possible to send me as much XMR as you like just using mochi101⊙mi in the address field of most wallets.

You can read about it here: openalias.org

Mochi101: does it work in monero-cli?

yes

try it, you can cancel it before sending

Mochi101: Error: Error: Long payment IDs are obsolete.

Error: Long payment IDs were not encrypted on the blockchain and would harm your privacy.

Error: If the party you're sending to still requires a long payment ID, please notify them.

Mochi101: i just typed payment_id

wormrobot, try transfer mochi101⊙mi 0.000001

you shoud get:

For URL: mochi101⊙mi, DNSSEC validation passed

Monero Address = 8AxYRgSwz36MUHRmg9wLc94Y4HDRwxxpU4yKVfCCovAg5fzNcwMVUrx5ALkLstNnTQ1pRn13d2pyZ3BBSaTmVndx9NHLHTF

Is this OK? (Y/Yes/N/No): n

It's a very cool feature.

I was lucky enough to snatch up monero.id

terima kasi, aku cinta Indonesia

tarima

been awhile

actually I don't know.. could check but too lazy

Mochi101: im trying but it didnt output anything

and i checked , show_transfers out

and didnt get any output

Maybe you misunderstood me.

What're you tying to do now?

?

transfer mochi101⊙mi 0.000001

but i didnt get an output

With the CLI wallet?

Mochi101: yes

Strange, works for me.

Mochi101: it works!!!!

:)

i copied and pasted your command and i guess their was a space @ the beginning of the command

Mochi101: let me know when you receive it

Mochi101: for confirmation

0.00521515

thanks!

verify the unlock_time first

:P

xD

CLI has a warning message

I still have some locked outputs from 2018 - (74754 block(s) to unlock)

I didn't know it locked the change too.

I guess I didn't read when I did it.

oh wow, that's nice to know (ive never used the feature) - yes there is a guide for -site to be added which tries to stress that point

which i wasnt sure of - so its true then? change is locked :(

Yeah, change is locked.

Imagine a brand new wallet with 100 XMR in it.. and then dusting someone with a locked transfer

1 block every 2~ mins...

your output will be unlocked in 103~ days?

plowsof, I sent these with 999999 lock time.

Sounds about right plowsof

I've been waiting years.

wow congratulations , not long left. hopefully it was a 'to - self ' transaction

nah... I was dusting some friends over in -pools

:D

Had to make it fun.

plowsof: wait sorry just got back what? verify the unlock_time ?

so wait i have to unlock something after every transactions

Mochi101: & your welcome is not much now but lets see how much that would be in the future, i was looking at it from a btc price perspective

Would be nice, we can hope.

trust me when people start to get paranoid and scared from all the regulations that the gov is adding then everyone and their dogs will have monero

plowsof: please go a bit more indept on the "verify unlock_time"

it was mainly a little joke, as Mochi101 recently reported some payment processors not verifying unlock_time - its the number of blocks before it becomes usable - which could be a huge number

plowsof, I'm still planning on writing up something on Reddit in a little while. I think MB was a little premature on his Reddit post about it.

I wanted to give people time to fix their stuff before some little script kiddie got some ideas from it.

<3 openalias, I set mine up a few months ago and it's improved UX for my friends and I a ton.

I figured the responsible thing to do was wait awhile.

nice one BusyBoredom[m]

plowsof: i thought it becomes unlocked after 10 blocks

donate.getmonero.org has both a monero and btc address linked to it, nice feature

or whats the thing about the 10 blocks

wormrobot, this is something different

wormrobot ignore me / what i said about UL time, payments are spendable after 10 blocks usually

plowsof taking the easy route.

okay no problem lol

Zeaps[xmpp]: Yo wassup

anyone know any regularly scheduled monero twitter spaces?

Zeaps[xmpp]: I don't really use Twitter lol

Has something changed with Monero lately? Seems very slow to sync and unreliable to connect

syncing maybe 1000 blocks per minute or so

and A LOT of messages about "failed to deserialize extra field / transaction extra has unsupported format"

on version 0.18.1.2

1000 blocks per minute is normal sync speed

if you're talking about monerod

wallet should sync faster

I'm using the standard client and a remote node

not storing anything locally

try different remote node

I tried a bunch; all seemed very unreliable to connect, took many seconds and so on just to establish a simple TCP

Is there some kind of debug log where you can see this?

To stdout it doesn't print a lot of info

Weirdly, there are "host not found" errors when I try to connect to an onion.

Should I enter remote nodes with or without http:// ?

Tried a different node, same thing happens. Syncs ~400 blocks per minute, maxes out 1 CPU core.

yanmaani1: which waller are you using? are you running over tor?

extra has unsupported formst is irrelevant for sync speed and can be ignored

selsta: I'm using the Linux 64-bit GUI from getmonero.org; it's just called "Monero" as far as I can see.

I am using Tor, but the node isn't on Tor

well that's why you have slow speed lol

sync over tor is slow, you have to be patient or use clearnet

oh, it's that slow?

huh, strange

why, isn't it a pretty small data volume?

ahh, hmm

but I'm not using an onion

connecting directly to IP/node

>which includes both onion services and non-onion services traffic

Is your wallet connecting over tor though? If yes, you have limited download speeds.

you could try installing monero-gui from the repositories, assuming your distribution has it

oh, RIP

the installation is fine, v0.18.1.2 is the latest version

hmm, tor browser does work fine though

maybe I should update Tor

oh not sure which version they use, ignore my comment

lou[m]: That's what I have right now, just as a local install

Onion around 700kbps max, and ip/node over tor around 1.2mbps max

yanmaani1: Around 10 seconds to download each chunk

ofrnxmr[m]: ^

Huh, that's odd, downloading files over TBB is way quicker

ofrnxmr[m]: ^

selsta: yes, but there could be some dependency issue

lou[m]: What dependency could cause things to be slow but functioning, when it worked OK half a year ago?

lou[m]: does not seem so to me

it's Tor that slows things down

selsta: I thought it's slow even when you're using an IP node @yanmaani

hmm, wonder if it could be optimized somehow. Like opening several Tor connections

lou[m]: I'm still connecting thru Tor's SOCKS

Run a local node, bet you see a massive difference

yanmaani1: Or try connection without tor..

Without a baseline, nothing to guage. But I bet the issue is tor and tor alone

6 months back downloaded like 10+gb for the sync and took hours, over lan.

ofrnxmr[m]: yeagm that's the best option if you went the best privacy and speed

if you want speed, then connect to a regular IP node (realisitcally it's not an issue, but you're revealing your IP adress to that specific node)

s/yeagm/yeah/

but if you run your own node, you'll have to download a copy of the blockchain, which will take some time

hm, indeed the network is the bottleneck

but not by a lot

speedup is maybe 2x

so 2-3k blocks per min

or, rather, the network IS the bottleneck, but it's still not that fast. strange

lou[m]: Option a: complain about wallet sync while using remote nodes over tor

Obtion b: sync a node then have fast sync times forever

ofrnxmr[m]: I might as well just sync my wallet once a week for the same effect without gigabytes of storage etc.

I just synced 6k blocks in 7 seconds using a remote node.

2-3k block / minute sounds way too slow.

I also think the wallet sync speed is unusually slow, to be Fair.

Not that it was faster before, but it seems to take a long tine between operations

selsta: I cent even come close to this

Using Linux or android, cli, gui, cake, stack, monerujo

ofrnxmr[m]: in between operations = downloading blocks

Yeah the network is the limit

since CPU goes up and down

depends which blocks tho, like if is block 0 to 6000 then ofc it's gon be fast af but if talking like at current blockheight, 6k blocks in 7 seconds is like wtf? how?

and when CPU is 100%, it updates fast

so if you have gigabit internet, maybe

All seem to be around 2second to download, 4-5seconds to verify, repeat

CPU usage remains low

I wonder when PIR schemes will make this procedure faster.

spacekitty420[m]: I opened cake, it had 6k blocks remaining

So around 600-1000 blocks every 7-10 seconds

oh! gotcha, wallet sync, not blockchain sync, don't mind me UwU

6k blocks in 7 seconds sounds about right for wallet sync

What kind of monster devices are you using? I get 700h/s mining on this 6gb phone and cant sync 6k in < 1 minute under any circumstances

Just an Android phone

wallet sync, not node sync

iPhone but already a couple years old again, I don't think it's device specific

sech1: Yeah

6572 blocks remaining

different wallet, 30k blocks in 1 minute, seems a bit slower this time

on my laptop with monero-gui 40k blocks in 45s

all with a remote node

ofrnxmr: u tried with node in local network? maybe even plugging the phone with ethernet

Local network, you can see network speed isnt an issue

Inbetween downloads it takes a long time

damn...

Speed shoots up to 7+mb/s, then sync moves by ~800 blocks, then a ~10+ second wait before the next download

ofrnxmr[m]: video doesn't load for me

Ill try to screen grab gui

as far as i know the 800 blocks moving is the actual block sync time so that's not the issue

it's unclear what causes the wait

ofrnxmr[m]: I guess what you could do is start a wallet with gdb and interrupt it exactly during the wait time

so that we see in which function it "hangs"

how much does wallet sync time depend on the node you are connected to? I imagine that there is a range of their capacities

if it's a local node it should not be an issue

assuming the local node isn't super slow and at least has an SSD

i remember someone on r/xmrtrader was also complaining about sync speed with cake like saying it would take them like 24 hours everytime or somethin like that

so maybe it could also be on cake's end, like, whatever the issue might be

cake works fine for me on iOS

it would be nice to decide on some benchmarking method for nodes, i know we have ping to the node (clearnet ip) but 'time to complete something' depends if the node is overloaded or it's actually a pi zero with a HDD

#AllNodesAreEqual

#AllNodesMatter

#MyPiMyChoice

MyNodeMySync

lol

It can't be long now until that "blockchain for everything" hype is really and truly over:

we're in the Trough of Disillusionment

rbrunner, it was their own blockchain?

Not sure what they used

A frontend to an existing POS chain like Tezos would be good for that. Or even a PoX chain like Stacks.

We will soon enter the age of "quicksort for everything". Mark my words, you read it here first. (A bit dumber yet than "blockchain for everything, but not much.)

But to have your own chain would be a little excessive.

Doesn't matter. If a large number of parties have widely disparate interestest and don't cooperate enough with each other you don't solve everything with simply using a blockchain.

yeah

Or "People have no trust anymore in democracy? Use a blockchain to count votes, trust will return". Yeah, right.

There will be blockchains sitting in every voting booth, looking at you, and making sure nothing bad happens.

Sounds awesome rbrunner :P

<plowsof> "it would be nice to decide on..." <- Yes please. It'd be very interesting to see how different hardware (CPU, RAM, SSD) performs for different tasks (initial sync, P2P, RPC) and how "good" it performce those tasks (number of peers, throughput, latency)

CCS for node benchmark tool, 150 XMR incoming

:D

I bet devs already benchmark their code, right? What tests do they do?

monerobull[m], 150 XMR ? Try 973 XMR

we have lots of tests for code correctness but not so many for benchmarking

but performance tests do exist github.com/monero-project/monero/tree/master/tests/performance_tests

i retract my idea proposal, lets rely on common sense / host your own node xD

<plowsof> "it would be nice to decide on..." <- github.com/cirocosta/monero-exporter

Welcome back everybody!

hey all. is there a monero community in new york?

we are shy

lol me too but i'm tired of learning everything alone

You are not alone. I am here with you.

i'm a software engineer learning cryptography and i'm looking for a group of people to learn with. most of the tech and math people i meet are apolitical and it gets annoying after a while. i'm looking for ideological hackers to work with

We just care about the neros

I'm just here for the meth.

Math

Politics are for politicians

People are around ofc but there is not much in the way of meetups

'Anyway, we 'KKE software engineering and cryptography tho '

Cake wallet and monero talk usually do new York stuff

#monerotopia:monero.social #monero-space:monero.social

i mean if you're interested in real anonymous digital cash, then you're going to run up against politics. i don't care for politicians either but i'm not gonna be a technocrat that does what my manager tells me to do either

Poliwho

#monero-policy:monero.social

Third times the charm, maybe

Is there a #monero-smiles and a #monero-sadness or #monero-self-help too?

So much compartmentalization.

My skill is making incoherent comments on irc causing people to jump in and clarify thereby spreading relevant info

thanks ofrnxmr. i don't even care about politics that much to read about policy. i just want to study tech with people who have similar ideas about freedom

Mochi101: There's the general monero selft help channel. It's called #fitness

If it's too compartmentalized then when people enter a room and see there is no discussion they just leave.

and we lose people to this.

Hurting ourselves by being so rigid.

Dear me, I can't even type today ;_;

It's ok Torr, I understand.

casablanca01: What are you currently studying?

Extra tired this week xP

spackle_xmr: a lot of stuff 😅 there's a discord group called uncloak that's working through cryptography & rust. i'm participating in that along with some other stuff

> I'm just here for the meth.

LOOOLLL

So I'm not the only making typos today xD

only one*

casablanca01[m]: > there's a *discord* group ...

Dude

I don't have experience with cryptography or mathematics, but there are Monero Research and Monero Dev groups. For ecosystem topics (earning/spending Monero, merchants, circular economies) there are: matrix.to/#/#monero-community-dev:monero.social and matrix.to/#/#circular-economy:hackliberty.org Dark.fi has similar cypherpunk/libertarian goals as Monero, but focuses on smart contracts and DAOs (compared to Monero =

digital cash).

AFAIK Dark.fi uses Rust. Also Mitra is a nice Fediverse platform (in Rust) that also has Monero tips and subscriptions. Silverpill is the dev.

Torr: that's what i'm saying lol i'm trying to find people outside of the kyc & discord world

There is also a Monero tool in Rust (monero-rs or similar) for software/platforms that want to integrate Monero payments.

yes i'm familiar with darkfi. does it have a presence in nyc?

casablanca01[m]: I don't see anything wrong with using this channel for this.

I think most devs work remotely. Maybe FreedomCells.org could help you to find some NYC meetups? Or look for hackerspaces?

yeah, i should check that out

hey, it's me again, the dude with that issue where 2 threads each use 80% cpu usage on 2 threads. I'm sure some of your remember me. I haven't been able to reproduce the issue with the official monerod binary yet and I don't think I will. I was however able to reproduce the issue with the arch package built with debug symbols, giving me the following output of perf top -a and htop:

perf top shows some ssl related stuff within the top lines, thus I assume that the issue has something to do with OpenSSL. Arch Linux recently switched to OpenSSL 3, thus maybe there's some incompatbility with OpenSSL 3 and monerod? can anyone confirm that the official binaries are linked against OpenSSL 1.1?

>where 2 threads each use 80% cpu usage on 2 threads

such english, much wow

I mean that 2 threads of monerod each use 80% of a CPU thread

would be great if someone could tell me which OpenSSL version the official monerod binary is linked against. ldd can't help me here because OpenSSL is integrated in the binary.

in any case I'll continue by rebuilding the official arch package with OpenSSL 1.1 to see if I can also reproduce this issue that way. If not I'll report this issue and ask the maintainer to build it with OpenSSL 1.1 instead

casablanca01[m]: im interested in the same thing, message me!

ofrnxmr[m]: thank you very much!

Does having the blockchain on a samba share work?

I.E. if I move blockchain database to a samba share can multiple daemons access it concurantly?

yes I know syncs would be slow

would multiple writes be an issue?

sounds messy, run a local node on an old android phone / low powered device instead?

you can't mine with a remote node tho

Xyproblem.info

This way with samba and network boot you could use one SSD on multiple PC's

xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool/monero_nodes.html

initroot[m]: Remote nodes only expose restricted rpc. If you control the local network, you can expose the unrestricted rpc port internally and connect miners to it

a NAS has electricity, computing power, and a hard drive - just run a node

^

You don't need to run a node for each mining rig

Yea I know

So what r ya tryna do

well fair enough I guess that's a much more reasonable solution

In the end, what would you like to accomplish

Honestly I was just going to move it off my laptop and that would be the only device accessing it with no mining.

Which I assume would work fine

but I was currious what would happen if multiple clients connected to the same blockchain db

multiple instances of monerod trying to access the same blockchain file will definitely get messy and corrupt it quickly

connecting multiple wallets and miners via rpc to the same node will be just fine

though you might want to use p2pool, instead of mining straight to the node (aka solo mining)

Zeaps[xmpp]: What's samba?