is the monero-wallet starts a node automatically?

does*

depends what wallet mode you choose (gui)

& Whats another purpose for a node? other then contributing to strengthen the network

plowsof: i use cli

you must run ./monerod yourself for cli

or point it to a remote node

using your own local node is recommended for privacy reasons.

yewtu.be/watch?v=n6Bxp0k7Uqg info about remote nodes / trade offs

plowsof: okay perfect thank you!

Hello

I have been asking around for help regarding getting my monerod work over clearnet, tor and i2p networks.

Can someone help me with these questions? old.reddit.com/r/monerosupport/comm…someone_post_a_working_example_of_a

Remove the "add-peer"s

Remove priority nodes

If you cant forward clearnet ports, incoming blockchain sync isnt possible

You still contribute via outgoing connections

ofrnxmr[m]: So monero can't seed the blockchain data over tor/i2p?

ofrnxmr[m]: these are for relaying the transactions?

No incoming connections over tor, correct

But youre blockchain sync isnt setup to go over tor, its clearnet.

And your isp isnt allowing port forwarding, so youre only able to male outgoing connections = you only have incoming connections because if you DO you tor, you still dont have incoming

Okay. So, by adding tor and i2p addresses as anonymous-inbound= directive, what does my monerod gain?

s/because/and/

Relaying tx

Alright. Fair.

Why do you suggest me to remove the "add-peer=" and "priority-node=" directives?

--proxy puts monerod blockchain sync over tor (again, outgoing connections only)

I stumbled upon that suggestion during my reads through reddit/stackexchange threads.

mechanic41turk[m: Not needed since 18.0

ofrnxmr[m]: Ah OK. I will remove then.

ofrnxmr[m]: Understood. Thanks.

ofrnxmr: can you also help me understand why I am not able to issue `./monerod print_cn` command?

Yeaj

Use the command how you just wrote it^ and it will work

ofrnxmr[m]: I am pretty sure it didn't last time I tried. But let me try once again now and answer you.

The bind port flag you added before is unneeded

Its just ./monerod print_cn

ofrnxmr[m]: ```... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…0136d184556891abf2a0c5c5b140f5e37d9>)

It gives an error.

Oh

Your config is broken... change............... 1sec

OK

(Its your restricted rpc btw. 1sec)

Yeah, that was my suspicion, too.

ofrnxmr[m]: Taking a look rn

And then change torrc 18081 > 18089

ofrnxmr[m]: Got it.

So that clears up my confusion around why I couldn't issue print_cn command to my monerod.

I will try that very soon. But before I go and do that, can you also take a look at the question 3) there?

It is about the port 18082

s/18082/18083/

Anon inbound doesnt do blockchain sync

hmm..

Of does peer lists and handshakes and other lite stuff

Alright

So its ot binded to 18080, its a different "p2p" on a differnent port

Cool. I didn't know that.

Not* binded.

18080 is for clearnet/ipv4 traffic

Also, isn't using the port 18083 for tor peer list AND zmq-pub port (p2pool recommends that way) causing collision of using the same port for two different aims?

Yes

Uh.. so what should we do to mitigate that?

I use 18084 for tor.. personally. And 18083 for zmq

Others do the opposite

hmm

so, can p2pool running on the same machine pick up on your setting for 18084 port? Does p2pool automatically see that?

or is p2pool hardcoded to recognize only the port 18083?

p2pool has command line parameter for this

mechanic41turk[m: No, I dont believe so

sech1: How can I make p2pool recognize that?

--zmq-pub tcp://127.0.0.1:18084

sech1: Bu that's for monerod config, right?

P2pool startup flag

p2pool.io/mini/#help mentions that --zmq-pub flag is for monerod

it doesn't show it for "Setup P2pool" header

My mistake, spoke too soon

sech1: can you answer that?

--zmq-port 18084

sech1: looking into it rn

sech1: Alright. That's cool. So I can set zmq-pub option both for monerod and for p2pool

Got it. That clears up my confusion regarding that, too.

Alright guys. That's it. I got my questions cleared up. Now let me go and do the config changes as you guys suggested.

Thanks.

miners usually don't use tor because it destroys the latency

so 18083 is fine to use for miners

yeah, I see that

however, I am aiming to have my monerod connections over clearnet, tor and i2p, AND get the p2pool working on the same machine

so I was having a "port collision" issue there.

Thats fine

I use

Zmq 18038 and tor 18084

Zmq 18083**

Yeah, I will do the opposite. Zmq 18084 and tor 18083

Btw.. you can also setup onion to port 3333 in order to access the p2pool stratum over onion

I don't think I need that. I will setup my gaming pc reach to my p2pool running raspberry pi 4 on the same LAN.

So, I will just point xmrig to my raspberry's local IP

Does p2pool / monerod on a pi verify fast enough to mine?

I will see that. I don't know yet.

Im just thinking... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…030373b7c83241289504ee50ab687d3475c>)

<ofrnxmr[m]> "paste.centos.org/view/44..." <- ofrnxmr: do I still need to keep the `restricted-rpc=1` line if I do your changes?

Comment out or delete that line + confirm-external-bind

ofrnxmr[m]: Alright. Both of those lines are going to be commented out.

I never use them since restricted-rpc flags are now available

.. they are still in my config though, just commented out.

<ofrnxmr[m]> "paste.centos.org/view/44..." <- Hey, these indeed worked! Now I am able to issue `./monerod print_cn` command and see the clearnet, tor and i2p peers that I have connected to. Awesome.

./monerod sync_info might be more human readable

ofrnxmr[m]: very good 👍️

sech1: I am setting up p2pool. Where does the p2pool write its blockchain data? Which filesystem location? I am moving the binaries to /opt/p2pool, and have created a system user "p2pool." So, I would like to know where in the filesystem should I prepare a diskspace for the p2pool blockchain data.

p2pool doesn't store blockchain

it only has p2pool.cache file, but it's limited size and you can turn it off

Oh cool

I am going to turn it off

Can I use --no-randomx --no-cache --light-mode options at the same time?

you don't need light-mode if you're using no-randomx

and you can only use no-randomx if you have a monerod to compute hashes for you

hyc: cool

hyc: I am going to have the same raspberry pi 4 (4 gb model) running 64 bit debian, running monerod and p2pool

does that mean "I have a monerod to compute hashes for me" ?

yes

nice

thanks

helo

Hello siren.

Can i meet with you.

I like your profil picture.

Heyy siren answer me

What

I don't own a ledger

I like your photo mrs siren

Which country is in your profile pic?

I thought you were banned josef66

Kazakhstan

Siren[m]: Are u russian woman

That's an insult

it is?

Kazakh != Russian

Kazakhs are turkic

Anyways this is off topic

How dare you!

Hey everyone! We launched the ability to buy XMR on the Monero.com website in 40 US states with Visa/Mastercard. It also works in most other countries, with extra payment methods. It requires KYC, so it's not for everyone, but we are excited to make the new option available. More information: reddit.com/r/cakelabs/comments/z9sx…ith_creditdebit_card_is_now_live_in

Yes, we will add this directly to the Cake Wallet and the Monero.com app in the coming months :)

sgp[m], nice one

congrats

How hard was that to do sgp[m]? Do you have to bunch through a bunch of hoops for Visa/MC ?

jump throught a bunch of hoops

Mochi101: Not with Visa/Mastercard with this program, but we have jumped through hoops with another program of ours. Visa is the most crypto friendly in our experience

I would never have imagined that.

sgp[m]: Congrats Amazing new feature, Thank you "Beautiful Dev's" this is a huge step , allowing more people to buy monero even tho

For another program of ours, yes that involved direct agreements with the processing networks to make sure it's stable

but that program is not live yet

from another source "Visa along with other participants is working with the “World Economic Forum on a set of policy recommendations for central banks exploring the concept of Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC).”

wonderful

The great scam is coming

hopefully that CBDC saturation is going to help people to choose XMR instead of some random animal scamcoins.

Revuo Monero. Issue 148: November 24 - December 1, 2022. revuo-xmr.com/issue-148.html

Hard to say what is better, a crime or an accident. Both are pretty bad.

I heard ftx was actually a good exchange, as in their software worked quite well etc...

amazes me how big it got considering the people running don't seem particularly competent

Because they stole money, it was all planed at the end

They would have been able to keep it on if CZ would not have warned about it's FTT selling

but not anybody would've been able to pull this off

they seem dumb but they're smart?

they fooled many billionaires

On one hand, I'd love to have a local Monero meetup. On the other hand, it'd probably be 80% feds.

That's the reason I did not go to local monero meetup :D

Doxing yourself as a Monero user in a third world country, no thanks.

oh, damn

Yeah, I could see that being potentially dangerous.

'third world country' lawl

Same reason I don't try to convert local into accepting Monero... It's unfortunate but I don't want them to know I own crypto

s/local/locals/

While it's perfectly reasonable to be outraged at the way US Gov fucks around with stuff like cryptocurrencies, I think a lot of people in the US just aren't cognizant of how easy we have it in some respects with ability to do stuff like using Monero without getting our lives totally fucked.

(for now, at least)

RavFX[m] you should go back to your 'first world'

Yeah.

In some country, normal people wagies are like 300$ a month...

If people know you have crypto. Well, they don't know how much you own but it's a lot more than what they have... they might want it ;)

RavFX[m]: Unfortunately, if you want to be very cautious about it, you just needto cultivate close friendships with people you know couldn't be quislings, snitches, or jackboots before you bring them into the fold.

as2333: naa, I'm fine living like a kind with almost nothing, rent like 100$ a month for a house lol

s/needto/need to/

s/kind/king/

RavFX[m] sure, you're so above those thieveing locals

And only "first world country" that have the option to make ATM pop out money with only a code is Russia.

And Russia is cold

Russia is Second World in the first/second/third world paradigm.

as2333: Actually never got a local to steal from me and locals here are great and friendly, but I just won't tell them that I have crypto

only some very close one know...

The division was based on cold war politics. First world nations were US-aligned, second world nations were USSR-aligned, and third world nations were "everyone else".

RavFX[m]: as2333 is insulting you, in case it's not obvious

RavFX[m]: I don't think it's illegal to own or mine crypto in Russia, are privacy coins banned? I'm not aware of any ban in russia

I do like Russia but I don't like sub 0C temperatures

apotheon is an 'ex' US military murder.

Russia's rich and powerful benefit from Monero, so I suspect that either Monero is tolerated there in general or enforcement is very, very selective.

in case people are not aware

Yeah, crypto fine in russia.

And it's easy to teleport some at random ATM when you need cash, without KYC

also he's not me spokesperson.

my*

as2333: I bet you were spouting philosophical ideals at age two, and have never made a mistake in your life on matters of right and wrong, if we judge you by the same standards you seem to use to judge others.

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, crypto fine in russia.

> And it's easy to teleport some at random ATM when you need cash, without KYC

nice, I know of one ATM in the city here (I live in Czechia), but it's only for BTC and litecoin and I generally care only XMR with me on my phone

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…bae01032262d248c56f662968aad454c841>)

for a shit meme

* nice, I know of one ATM in the city here (I live in Czechia), but it's only for BTC and litecoin and I generally carry only XMR with me on my phone

apotheon learn to shut up

har

lou: I mean bank atm.

go on localmonero or localbitcoins

use cash at ATM option with you want cash

then contact give you a code, you walk to that whatever bank the code is for and just use "operation without card" on the ATM, type the code, grab the money!

s/with/when/

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> lou: I mean bank atm.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…e31fe1975965afacd7657331f98e522ce51>)

I never ever saw a crypto ATM in my life.

Luckily, as2333 is incorrect about me being a murderer. I haven't killed anyone.

not even in self defense

me nether, I have to convert them to bitcorn when I plan to dump

RavFX[m]: no wait, there' actually two of them in my city

* wait, there's actually

RavFX[m]: Around here, all the cryptocurrency ATMs are surveillance devices. They require KYC for any nontrivial amount, and require identification through mechanisms that are themselves ultimately subject to KYC even for small transactions.

apotheon: I've never actually tried using a crypto ATM, but it's probably the same everywhere in the west

KYC/AML everywhere

Yeah, I like when normal bank ATM have "operation without card"

Most of Latin america have that option.

Also Russia, Romania and I got a report that UK have them too

apotheon you're a murder accomplice, by definition.

I don't know how many cryptocurrency ATMs are in my town of something like 80K, but I'm pretty sure it's at least three.

a little more in the neighboring town of about 140K

lou[m]: yeah, it's pretty sad

as2333: Do you pay taxes? I guess you're paying contract killers. Off with your head.

RavFX[m]: Me neither, and I live in what's considered a "first-world country".

According to coinatmradar, there are 20 ATMs in italy, and they are mostly in Rome or Naples.

20 ATMs for 60 million people. That's about 1 ATM per 3 million people.

normal bank ATM have no fees (when you want to dump)

And when you want to buy, just buy it at the convenient store

20:14 < RavFX[m]> Yeah, I like when normal bank ATM have "operation without card"

nothing like that here

crypto ATM have huge scamfees from what I know

apotheon like the good US military murder you are you just pretend that the victims of theft are to blame.

Withdrawal fees for ATMs are pretty standard here.

15:03 < RavFX[m]> If people know you have crypto. Well, they don't know how much you own but it's a lot more than what

apotheon anyway, I won't be replying to your garbage.

as2333: You lack ability to understand either of nuance and parody.

you are a psycho

wormrobot: Yeah, they can think I have a few thousand BTC or 0 but yeah, they don't know how much

charming

I had an idea to make a DIY crypto ATM that exchanges cash for crypto and vise versa. I could list all the components and document how to assemble it all together, also write open source software for it. So people can build it themselves and place it in their cafes, shops etc. I don't know if it makes any sense but sounds doable.

Cannot be regulated of course

as2333: Have you no ability to perform the basics of mental modelling to understand others' states of mind?

You just need some money counting / dispensing device.

rest is off the shelf computer parts... and a nice casing

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> You just need some money counting / dispensing device.

>

> rest is off the shelf computer parts... and a nice casing

yup also could probably get a part for verifying if whether the bills are legit

Siren[m]: I don't think shops would put it, considering that most people barely knows Bitcoin exists and doesn't know other cryptos, and shopkeepers are afraid of having legal issues.

this would 100% cause legal issues if someone reported it

Siren[m]: + there sometimes are random check ups at shops

but I think it would be a cool little vending machine-like thing to place in your local hackerspace etc

s/+/plus/

so you can exchange between your peers lmao

Siren[m]: Pardon my ignorance, what's an hackerspace?

I'm fine with Latin america way

* go to convenient store to buy

* use "operation without card" on normal ATM to sell

Bitcoin ATM are great but then people see you using it and so know you have an unknow amount of crypto

"A hackerspace (also referred to as a hacklab, hackspace, or makerspace) is a community-operated, often "not for profit" (501(c)(3) in the United States), workspace where people with common interests, such as computers, machining, technology, science, digital art, or electronic art, can meet, socialize, and collaborate."

I don't think I've ever heard of them being called hacklabs" or "hackspaces". Those are new to me. I know of a particular local hackerspace whose name is "Creatorspace", and the people who frequent it tend to use the term "makerspace" in the generic sense. I've always just called them hackerspaces, though.

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> I'm fine with Latin america way... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…6cc125518419d9bd9cc179af551c264dfeb>)

: (

RavFX[m]: yeah i wouldnt recommend u to do so either, i think they will take you hostage for your keys

I have friends irl that use monero

wormrobot: Probably depend where and who see you using them

But it did append in the past

apotheon: It makes sense they don't call it "hackerspaces", as the word "hacker" resembles "internet criminal"

> <@apotheon:libera.chat> I don't think I've ever heard of them being called hacklabs" or "hackspaces". Those are new to me. I know of a particular local hackerspace whose name is "Creatorspace", and the people who frequent it tend to use the term "makerspace" in the generic sense. I've always just called them hackerspaces, though.

* It makes sense they don't call it "hackerspaces", as the word "hacker" is, in common dictionary, "internet criminal"

eh, fuck people who insist that's the only meaning of "hacker"

++

xfedex[m]: hacker doesn't mean internet criminal, what you're referring to is a cracker

"internet criminal" is the detourned word for hacker

xfedex[m]: I'm not saying that's you, by the way. No insult was intended.

* "internet criminal" is the detourned word for hacker

Hackers where before Internet....

Siren[m]: wish i knew about a local cyberspace i want to meet other cool smart hackers

Siren[m]: Well, not everyone is an expert at english words, so at least in Italian, hacker = internet criminal

Same here.

But there is none here really, except maybe some rare one in big cities

xfedex[m]: well you should correct them in that case

even calling it something like "cyber crime" or "internetz pirate!!!" is more accurate

It's not always reasonable to educate others on terms like that.

nothing wrong with pirates in the digital sense

in several languages computer criminals translate to computer pirate

not that it's the perfect term for it but certainly better than calling it a hacker

That's pretty awful.

a hacker could be someone who modded his car or something random like that

doesn't have to do anything with computer crime

Piracy (copying data) is criminalized in most of the world, but that doesn't mean most computer crime has anything to do with piracy.

The media is stupid for misusing this term

Siren[m]: We have another term for that in Italian: "smanettone"

Siren[m]: exact, real definition of hacker

Siren[m]: i agree

apotheon: the term "computer pirate" in those languages aren't referring to computer piracy

it's more like somalian pirates

someone who thinker with computerz...

It's funny how one can say "computer pirate" doesn't refer to "computer piracy".

arrrrr

raw UwU

Siren[m]: for example en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bilgisayar_korsan%C4%B1 literally translates to "computer pirate" yet it means "**malevolent** hacker: cracker"

* rawr UwU

The RIAA convinced me that pirates are better than ninja.

spacekitty420[m]: arr, matey

I want to install a 11th gen Core i7 in my thin PC (only support 10th gen cpu), will have to dump BIOS eeprom and add new intel cpu microcode in it.. Then flash it back and try with a 11th gen CPU.

blep

RavFX[m]: seems like intricate work

RavFX: sounds like a headache... can't u just sell mobo and buy new one with proper socket?

RavFX[m]: It's awesome if you can make it work.

I don't keep up with hardware shit for the most part, and haven't for a long time.

I want a 11th gen, I have 3200MT/s memory in that computer, 64GB of it but 10th gen only support 2666..

plus the 11th gen equivalent (10500t -> 11500t) is like 25% faster too

spacekitty420[m]: it's the same socket

on the normal motherboard you can replace 10th with 11th

The current state of hardware is a security shitshow, and it's depressing.

but it's thin PC, like Lenovo Thinkcenter, it's super small but they want you to buy a "Gen 2" of the same model for 11th gen

Shit, I don't even remember what's in my laptop.

from what I understand they just don't include microcode of new CPU GEN so it just won't boot if you swap CPU

It's a . . . umm . . . a laptop. It runs OpenBSD. Yeah, that's what kind of hardware it has.

I find my interests drifting away from a lot of the computer stuff that used to interest me.

That might change if efficient home fabrication of CPUs becomes a thing.

Normal atx board from asus, msi, gigabytes and other brand names have BIOS update that add microcode when new CPU are released, but not the case for Lenovo, HP....

apotheon: why do you thing you are u losing interest

s/losing/loosing

because the values driving these aspects of computer industry are so wildly way the fuck backward relative to my own values that it's just miserable

It's always a choice between flavors of shit sandwich.

apotheon: ayyyy south park reference \o/ :3

yeah

politics is a shitshow, too

Same for me actually.

Computer where great and fun from 8086 -> AthlonXP

Then all that stuff began just more boring and just the same

I forgot the other candidate's type; I only recall the shit sandwich, off the top of my head.

so I just use them because I work with them

shit sandwich? isn't that EOS?

* shit sandwich? isn't that EOS?

Dan's shit sandwich :D

apotheon: douche or shit sandwich, was something like that, fuck... been forever they did those LOL

RavFX[m]: Yeah, at this point there are basically just three concerns when looking at CPUs. 1. Does it run my software? (yes) 2. Is it efficient enough for me to get reasonable battery life? (shop around for laptops, don't really need to know about the CPU itself for this) 3. Is it a well-designed CPU with reasonable characteristics for reliability and security? (fuck no, but you're going

to have to use it anyway, so shut up and suffer)

There's a fourth concern if you want to do some cryptocurrency mining, though.

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Same for me actually.

> Computer where great and fun from 8086 -> AthlonXP

> Then all that stuff began just more boring and just the same

couldnt have much virtualization fun back then tho, not enough cores, not enough ram... now can literally have near server-grade at home for cheaper than what a gaming computer would cost back then

apotheon: yeah, it's basically that now.

I do like efficiency as my house is 100% solar powered (I ripped the grid wired out)

s/wired/wiring/

spacekitty420[m]: Oh, giant douche.

spacekitty420[m]: just get moar computerz

spacekitty420[m]: thanks

And now all the fun is gone thanks to AMD obsoleting overclocking 😥

I've always found virtualization a pain.

RavFX: how? got fucked so bad by paypal cause wasnt 18 at the time and those mofos literally stole all my money... now we have monero o.o

spacekitty420: that's referencing what, that how?

Scampal are thieves!

Yeah, cryptocurrencies are the answer to the mainstream payment mechanisms being scam shit, just like how BitTorrent is the answer to the mainstream music distribution channels being scam shit.

oh, thought you meant "get moar computerz" back when it was athlonxp or somethin so was saying back then fuck paypal

much better with Monero

Back then I used cash to get computer (I was living in some "first world country" back then so it's was available everywhere).

apotheon: so true lmao

Where I am I have to import everything so yeah, sometime you need scampal or some other way :/

* I am now I have

It's fun watching a friend's mind get blown when using Monero for the first time, after the person had been doing all cryptocurrency business with BTC.

apotheon: i literally can't deal with btc for years anymore tbh, like everytime wanted to do a tx had to wait like foreeeever for the tx to go through and for some whatever reason i ALWAYS was fucking unlucky waiting furing 50mins long ass block, pressing F5 for hours on the block explorer....

s/furing/during/

Yeah, I don't use BTC as money. It's ridiculous.

Yay, BTC! I don't have to pay a three dollar ATM fee! (I do have to pay an eight dollar transaction fee, though. Well, fuck that.)

quick question on the topic of purchasing monero , is there anyway that is easier for gov to trace our wallet now that we purchased monero through a kyc platfor?

or is it "oh this person bought monero but we dont know the wallet or the coins?"

spacekitty420[m]: only 50 min block?

I got, two time, very unlucky and making TX when the rest of the world wanted to TX... > 40 hours wait at max fee, one time with unstoppable swap but fortunately the "refund" mode did work

<Siren[m]> "I had an idea to make a DIY..." <- There are some open source Bitcoin ATMs and vending machines, will try to find them. Would be easy to replace the Bitcoin code with Monero. I heard the commercial Bitcoin ATMs send the Bitcoin to exchanges and the cash to banks... But a DIY/indie ATM would depend on the buyers and sellers for liquidity (no bank or exchange required). It could work well in a hackerspace, meetup or cafe.

wormrobot: If you quickly move the exact amount from your Monero wallet to some other wallet (perhaps by sending someone money), it's easier for actualy "police work" to identify your transaction.

s/actualy/actual/

wormrobot: In theory, though, they would know you acquired the Monero because of KYC, but wouldn't have immediate proof of what happened to the Monero after that.

so now the gov can add us to a list of their choice to say hey this list tells us all the people that are buying monero it can be for criminal activity or it can be just to hold as an investment, Gov says "we dont know but we gonna add them to this list and survail them"

Mempool.space is good (track your confirmations in real time and calculate the best fee). But this doesn't help if there are 40 minutes between blocks, which happens regularly (10 min blocktime is only an average).

i agree with the btc rant, but bitcoin lightning somewhat works and is usable

Better, have you're own node and you're one "mempool space" instance locally, so you don't tell them what youre actuall TX are

Same for XMR onion explorer

have you're local explorer please

wormrobot: pretty much

RavFX[m]: would this be a better aproch

stop giving you're TX to site owner you don't know

anarkiocrypto[m]: I see openbitcoinatm.wordpress.com

We can do so much better

RavFX[m]: i see your point and im falling in love with this way of transacting with crypto

I run my own onion explorer for XMR and my own "mempool.space" for bitcorn explorer

Have a dedicated "blockchain" Lenovo thinkstation with a 1TB nvme drive

s/thinkstation/thinkcenterwith/, s/with//

s/thinkstation/thinkcenter/

I only keep XMR and BTC thru, I'm not touching any other coin

no wownero or doggocoin? boooooooo

DarkFi looks like it could be good.

Oh, yeah, Wownero . . . maybe?

i'm not into animal coins so thanks

I'd stay away from Dogecoin, though. Your mileage may vary.

wownero maybe but i'm not hosding any... how big is that blockchain?

yeah, i dont do doggocoin either, wow still oki to mine imo

dunno, probably not huge

(re: Wownero blockchain size)

I don't imagine it would get nearly as much traffic as Monero.

RavFX[m]: not sure right now but last time did a full sync it did in only 10mins, very fucking fast o.o

That would mean very low utilisation

It's not the most used cryptocurrency.

I mean, most crypto are scam, like only BTC and XMR have usecase and XMR encompass all BTC usecase except bank and corporation hodling (you want that to be public)

blocktime is also 5mins while on monero is 2mins so less blocks too means lower blockchain size as well

most of the shit running on smart contract chains are scam (97% of them)

A Monero vending machine could also be nice. Transparent lockers and if you pay in Monero, it opens the locker. Could be food/drinks, or people in the hackerspace/meetup/etc. could sell products this way.

I don't get why people want to force internet native crypto into the brick and mortar world while cash is still quite a bit away from being outlawed and works much better in that setting.

anarkiocrypto[m]: seems like a nice idea, but like... people are pieces of shit, wanna do fully opensource and easily DIY? then 3d printing, however that would be easily broken so... wielding with stainless steel an whatnot?

and even then, i mean... u seen those people literally stealing the whole bitcoin machine?? shit was hilarious

I'm fine with cash.

here where I live, most place don't even accept plastic...

And cash well, everyone use it so people don't know I use crypto even if I give them a pile of cash, fine for me

If it's in a hackerspace, it is unlikely that anyone would steal or break it. Shitcoins.club even publishes the amount of cash inside each Bitcoin ATM and no one steals them...

monerobull[m]: It might be a good idea to get in on the ground floor of in-person digital payment mechanisms, rather than let others dominate the market to the extent you can't get any inroads to such use later.

monerobull[m]: it's not for brick and mortar (there's already those point of sale like cryptocrampy's hotshop and that other one inspired by it as well), it's more as an onramp/offramp alternative instead of localmonero sellers and such

apotheon: But you can dominate the market it's actually designed for before trying to push into a market that already has a better way of doing things

Some brick-and-mortar stores are trying to phase out cash sadly, which means if you don't have a bank account, there is no way to shop there...

monerobull[m]: Why not do both?

right, there's even an EU country that is fully cashless now or somethin

and some other countries were anti-cash back in 2020 as well

I have heard of a couple businesses in this general area ending support for cash altogether.

It's insane.

it is...

RavFX[m]: how to run your own onion explorer?

anarkiocrypto[m]: Fortunately, not in my country. Everyone use cash so...

But yeah, in many place in europe and Canada are scamming that way, getting rig if cash...

Unless I'm desperate somehow, if I go into a store to buy something and they tell me they won't take cash . . . I'll probably just roll my eyes at them and leave.

> rather than let others dominate the market

Where I live, stores display icons of what payments they accept. Visa, Mastercard, some other bank cards, Google Pay, Apple Pay, some other payment apps, but these methods are all the same, as they all require a bank account and government ID. (Strike, Bitpay, Fold, etc. also require government ID.)

wormrobot: github.com/moneroexamples/onion-monero-blockchain-explorer

If a place doesn't accept cash, I would need to put the products back on the shelf and hope that I can find another store nearby...

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> I'm fine with cash.

> here where I live, most place don't even accept plastic...

> And cash well, everyone use it so people don't know I use crypto even if I give them a pile of cash, fine for me

Some cash (euro bills afaik) can be tracked and blacklisted in theory

They have serial numbers on them

anarkiocrypto[m]: Rather than put them back on the shelf, just leave them at the register. Let the employees deal with it.

Banks, credit cards and payment apps blacklist you entirely if you don't have ID...

RavFX[m]: and having your own node how would that not tell 3rd party exchanges your transaction, or anyone wanting to spy on your Tx

anarkiocrypto[m]: When they are asshole, I don't put it back on the shelf, I just leave it on the counter and leave

It would be rude to leave the products at the register.

It's rude to deny you access to food.

you should take the product and leave. If they don't want to accept the government 'legal tender' money, it's their problem.

to pay for food, even

wormrobot: Well, when you use public explorer for XMR or BTC,

you are literally asking info for a TX using you're IP.

At lease using you're private explorer you are not specificaly requesting info on the TX publicly.

The state wants to deny me access to even exist. I am only alive and free because the state doesn't know I live here...

Siren[m]: Supermarkets in here already check if your cash is not counterfeit using scanners, I can imagine how it would be possible to scan the serial number and check against a database.

anarkiocrypto[m]: It's rude to not accept cash

the legal case is painfully obvious. The piece of shit shopkeepers can't refuse to accept 'government legal tender' 'money'.

Siren[m]: They can taint euro bills

21:13 < RavFX[m]> anarkiocrypto[m]: It's rude to not accept cash

agreed

Fortunately a few small businesses are cash-only. I like it when I see the sign "cash-only, no credit cards accepted" and prefer to go to these businesses.

That means Monero is more fungible than Euro

anarkiocrypto[m]: Yeah, that'd be my preference, too.

Siren[m]: true

There is no "legal case" as the state itself wants to phase out cash (and can just decide to stop printing cash or ban stores from accepting it).

at least Eurocash

anarkiocrypto[m] the state is hilariously going against its most basic 'laws' so the legal case is self-evident

hello. i'd like to talk with somebody about the topic mentioned 15 days ago in /r/Monero named 'Regarding EU trying to ban privacy coins...'. can anyone who is aware that their local financial instututions are doing work on this write some information if they know. note, this had already happened 1.5 year ago in my country, no companies can deal with any privacy coins.

as2333: CBDCs on their way, one of the reason why some elites also trying to force the whole economy to crash, so it could be a smooth transition to CBDCs....

The state writes the laws and can easily change them. There is no "higher authority".

ocb: the "EU tryna ban privacy coins" was just the headlines, it's just forcing regulated exchanges to delist them, doesnt affect people to use them or to keep using non-kyc exchanges or peer to peer or merchants acceptance, it's basically a bunch of fud for now since that doesnt affect any of those other aspects

spacekitty420[m]: Yeah, when they make a crisis, it make people want the CBDC because it's how the stimulus will come

A good way to force it into people throats.

As most people are poor and so will need the stimulus

People were not able to vote for or against the corona restrictions for example, but were fined or even jailed for circumventing or protesting them. Even in Western countries.

anarkiocrypto[m] until the day they explicitly ban their own cash, my point stands.

voting is a rigged scam anyways

GTFO for a country that is going to ban cash, is my advise

Some EU countries ban cash transactions above 1000€.

s/for/of/

How will they know though?

Only a matter of time before 1000€, becomes 500€, becomes 50€...

anarkiocrypto[m]: Can you can still survive, just do many TX... annoying as hell but still doable

anarkiocrypto[m]: That is when you have to GTFO

Siren – Via invoices, accounting, inspections, etc.

I can't travel due to no ID.

anarkiocrypto[m]: Don't put it in your accounting book :^)

anarkiocrypto[m]: Can still smuggle yourself out. but Have to be careful...

RavFX[m]: Too much to risk probably

spacekitty420[m]: im aware what was the meaning, this has already happened 1.5 year ago in my country. there were public calls for interested parties to talk with financial institutions and give ideas on how to prevent local companies use monero. it's not only regulated exchanges, it's any local companies. regulated exchanges need to be listed in the local financial sheet as a crypto-currency exchange, while

other companies don't. other companies are also not allowed to receive payments for their work in any privacy coins, for example in bug bounty work.

Siren[m]: Depend where you are and where you want to go

> Don't put it in your accounting book :^)

Mainstream corporations are regulated, but fortunately small businesses are more flexible (e.g. easier to find a small family-owned hotel that doesn't require ID vs. a corporate chain).

Not just risk but requires money and connections (and learning the language and culture of the new country, and the locals may not even want a random guy without ID).

RavFX[m]: Even in Syrian and Iraqi borders they do ID checks :D

But the way they verify your ID is limited to looking at your face and comparing it with the picture on the ID

ocb which country is that?

I can't even find a good fake ID vendor (wouldn't be able to afford it anyway).

Here they do passport at border

but then every place that need ID inside the country, accept ID that are expired since 10 years.. even for shit like western union

The issue is I can't get any ID (not even getting an ID of a guy who looks similar to me or expired ID).

Yeah, I understand, that's harder.

I only have a bunch of expired ID and a passport that still work.

But I can't get a bank account so I live on crypto & cash

as2333: it's one of the countries from the former Yugoslavia

anarkiocrypto: maybe worldwide shipping from a usa id maker? they must exist, right?

Found many fake ID makers on DWM but they don't usually have reviews.. how to know if there good.

Plus what append if mail is intercepted...

bad things happen

you'll probably get raided

I just won't try lol.

I'm fine for now as cash is the prime way to pay for shit

21:21 < great_taste> voting is a rigged scam anyways

truth

well they don't need to rig it if you don't vote at all

Siren[m]: not if sender didnt put a return address and receiver doing through a shop that only requires like a code like 2fa style or somethin to retrieve package

ocb - funny I would have thought there was less regulation there.

Only EU national ID cards and foreign passports are accepted here sadly (US driver's licenses aren't accepted, you would need a US passport). The listings in DNMs are mostly scams (unless they have photos of the ID with a custom name (not "specimens") from multiple angles). I know some private fraud forums but even their IDs only work 50:50 for opening bank accounts and it isn't possible to get a SSN or regular job with them. I would

still buy it e.g. to access healthcare or receive mail but I can't afford it.

spacekitty420[m]: then the shop will get in trouble for it

I don't know how to pull something like that but I know of a court case when someone ordered drugs via mail and it got intercepted

Siren[m]: lazy ass mofo LOL, just support your local sellers with cash paper ffs! 😹

Parcel lockers/package pickup stores aren't responsible for what people ship there. Either the recipient gets a letter from customs or cops wait until the recipient comes to collect the package and arrest them. But the store owner isn't affected by this.

Siren[m]: It was a windows user whose most recent searches on google before getting raided was "how to buy monero" and "what is monero"

as2333: if you go just one country to the east, there is much less regulation :) the ones that sold their asses earlier in the history have more regulation.

anarkiocrypto[m]: What would it cost for that kind of ID?

$500-$750

Siren[m]: receiving drugs or anything illegal isn't good enough proof to land you in jail but if you combine this with bad opsec it's good enough proof

ocb hehe

Yeah, that's not terribly cheap for someone living on a shoestring budget.

But it doesn't have all security features and won't pass cops. Would still be useful e.g. to pickup mail or visit a doctor (even if you pay in cash, most doctors still require ID).

wasnt ross ulbrich that had like 30+ IDs just sitting there in his drawer at home or somethin? 😹

usa tho....

But my priority is 1) afford $200 rent 2) afford $80 food 3) pay back a debt 4) get a medium-quality fake ID 5) finally try to treat health issues. And I can barely afford 1)...

Siren[m]: They paid him a visit, got into his PC and that was enough. Had he used a non spyware OS with disk encryption he would have gotten away with it.

Can you be sure Linux don't have spywares too?

I mean, it's not like 3 letters agencies did not try to backdoor linux 3 times (3 times we know of)

what if they success and we don't know

RavFX[m]: sure, and you can also make it so it wouldnt matter if the device had spyware or not

RavFX[m]: tails had backdoor known by the glowies or somethin somethin o.o

then they "fixed it" but probably still have a backdoor in it imo

I think what you do on the net and what service you use / KYC is more important, way more important, than the OS you use

anarkiocrypto[m]: I guess there's no way to mail stuff to you, if you need ID to receive mail. That sucks.

just don't install garbage, that is valid for all OS

I have some options for maildrops. The main issue is to earn this money (but rent/food/debt is a priority).

> <@spacekitty420:matrix.org> tails had backdoor known by the glowies or somethin somethin o.o

> then they "fixed it" but probably still have a backdoor in it imo

tails had an exploit that glowies used for targeted attacks, I don't think it was a backdoor in the OS itself or any kind of supply chain attack

RavFX[m]: yes if you compile on your own and you don't have any proprietary blobs you can 100% be sure

RavFX[m]: I think SELinux might have been an NSA plot to make it easier for them to break into Linux systems. It's so difficult to configure correctly that the NSA can just target common misconfigurations and own your system.

Siren[m]: You do read the code, all of it, right? (and of course I assume you understand it)

Siren[m]: but then, issues being the hardware o.o

I assume the Linux kernel and glibc are clean

use compartmentalized vms that leverage proxy vms and whonix gateway and a lot of risk is mitigated right there

but what about the other 2-300 dependencies you need to run you're desktop....

RavFX[m]: I'm not going to sit and read the Linux kernel in one go but if it's something small and new I will read the code before running it.

I wouldn't assume glibc is clean.

Siren[m]: Although I trust what's in my distro's packages

Siren[m]: So you don't know if it have backdoors and compiling it yourself won't change a thing

you can still inspect network traffic..

c0mmando[m]: this, or with qubesOS is basically already all set up for compartmentalization as well

c0mmando[m]: that's one thing you can do, thru most of it is https but you can still try yes

c0mmando[m]: Exactly, I have an openwrt router. I can simply run tcpdump there. I have done that before to dump some proprietary firmware updates for IoT devices.

JFY, it's easier for 3 letters agencies to put backdoor in opensource project that anyone can contribute than closed source project

RavFX[m]: Linux kernel doesn't have any backdoors

there are many people, corporations and institutions reading the Linux kernel source code

the point is that it's not impossible to audit your systems and best practices mitigate a large portion of risk

as well as auditing

They tried to backdoor Linux 3 times... (of we know so far)

maybe they backdoor some random .so libs instead.

but yeah, Linux kernel and glibc have more audit but what about the rest

RavFX[m]: Those aren't part of the kernel, depends on which libs they belong to

to backdoor Windows, you have to hack there repo to implement the code (or give them big check)

the backdoor Linux, you just have to be friendly and submit patch to some important lib used often as dependencies

RavFX[m]: well most of the shell programs are either busybox or GNU coreutils, also safe

RavFX[m]: reminds me that dumbass "activist" that change the code of one of the lib on github and it was a dependency to soooo many other thingies, fuck that dude, being all like he dont like russians or somethin.... was so cringe too....

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> to backdoor Windows, you have to hack there repo to implement the code (or give them big check)

>

> the backdoor Linux, you just have to be friendly and submit patch to some important lib used often as dependencies

patches are well reviewed and tested, that simply won't go through easily

if you're that paranoid run Qubes and setup strict firewall rules to your proxy VM

Siren[m]: most people use things like KDE Plasma or Gnome or something like that.

the pile of dependencies is huge

if the code is so obfuscated nobody understands jack shit, they won't merge it as simple as that

all you need if to get one of these thing used as dependencies to merge you're bugdoor

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> most people use things like KDE Plasma or Gnome or something like that.

>

> the pile of dependencies is huge

Gnome and KDE also are actually big open source projects with many many eyes on the code, this is a bad argument

nobody should ever trust their systems that much anyway

Just, don't assume that you are backdoor free because you run Linux.

Always assume you are backdoored

Siren[m]: What about there dependencies

c0mmando[m]: right, don't trust nothing, aint even trusting the tech, can't go wrong that way :3

RavFX[m]: you mean things like OpenGL/QT/X server libs? Those are even bigger and older

just type emerge -va plasma-meta on gentoo and see the 400 dependencies show up...

opengl qt x and all there dependencies

there is a frecking list of deps

RavFX[m]: What you should fear here is not the code itself, you should fear a supply chain attack performed on where you get the code/binaries

spacekitty420[m]: that's why you always compartmentalize

Personally I run everything comparimentalized

plowsof: u gave up tryna shill the -offtopic btw? like, is basically a lost cause, right?

and I use many VPN straights on the router (for each new connections, a la round robin))

everyone seems sober and its interesting hm

spacekitty420[m]: oh wait, that might have been ofrnxmr, can't remember...

Plus some exploit where available on Linux since more than 10 years, including shit on SSL....

you guys are pros..

RavFX[m]: which one?

I mean, even if there not backdoor, they can be decent bugs to exploit.

3 letters agencies work to find these exploit and don't publish them so they can continue to exploit them...

they did the same for windows (like ethereal blue)

Windows is an exploit.

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> I mean, even if there not backdoor, they can be decent bugs to exploit.

>

> 3 letters agencies work to find these exploit and don't publish them so they can continue to exploit them...

there are plenty of symptoms you can observe in Linux unlike Windows

vpn + vlans at the network layer is a good start, won't save you from time based deanonymization tho

Windows itself is an universal backdoor

don't implement backdoor directly, find bug that can be used as backdoor and keep them for yourself

Siren[m]: Not more than any OS.

just disable all the microsoft shit including telemetry (with is a development tool, not a backdoor)

No . . . Windows is much worse than some alternatives.

c0mmando[m]: even compartmentalizing will only get you so far to a certain type of threat modelling, as mentioned earlier, issue being the hardware as well

but then, the more :tinfoil:, the more a magical amulet is actually the only solution to proper opsec o.o

That's assumption.

There's shit you can't turn off that's strictly security-hostile.

RavFX[m]: You're wrong because when you installed windows you agreed to give microsoft extensive rights to snoop on your files and activity. This is in their EULA and you cannot use the OS without agreeing.

> <@spacekitty420:matrix.org> even compartmentalizing will only get you so far to a certain type of threat modelling, as mentioned earlier, issue being the hardware as well

> but then, the more :tinfoil:, the more a magical amulet is actually the only solution to proper opsec o.o

magical amulets are my specialty

opsec wont save you from psychic govt spooks

Siren[m]: Microsoft reports any vulnerabilities to NSA before publicly announcing or patching. They also offer 3 letter agencies their source code.

Siren[m]: Most of that shit you can disable quite easily

And the worst outlier is there telemetry tool (that they need for windows development) as that one can send them partial memory dumps

Siren[m]: who care if they offer there source code to 3 letters agencies, Linux source code is available to them too

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Most of that shit you can disable quite easily

> And the worst outlier is there telemetry tool (that they need for windows development) as that one can send them partial memory dumps

You cannot :) You will never know if you really disabled it because Windows is proprietary software.

you can analyses what is dumped on the network

RavFX[m]: Linux source code is open to everyone meaning it is better reviewed/audited, Linux also has waaaay better vulnerability response. Windows source code is a disaster.

I know, I do it, because i'm forced to use windows on the thinstation i'm using (Linux is just unusable whatever I try to get it to work properly, iGPU issue)

RavFX[m]: Well you cannot do this inside a windows machine. You need to do this on your router.

RavFX[m]: my issue on our previous topic is how can one not have their wallets spyed on after they purchased monero with kyc

Siren[m]: of course, you always do that out of the machine you want to analyse

for windows and macos best thing is to install a firewall before you connect the device to the internet and then setup an whitelist for outbound connections

RavFX[m]: Well good luck analyzing every single random ping to microsoft domains that windows does every hour.

actually more often than that

my previouse purchase structure was, buying btc then from btc exchanging it for menero then sendin it to my wallet so thats 2 TX ontop of my KYC'd TX

wormrobot: yeah, that's different, if you are KYC and buy monery, then the exchange know YOU have monero and the state might endup knowing. OS you use will change nothing

s/monery/monero/

RavFX[m]: intel ME can create networking interfaces without your knowledge, on paper, if fully :tinfoil: it prob could even be a possibility that if one nic from there talks to an other nic, packet could just straight up not show up at all because all those networking interfaces would be compatible to not show that very specific traffic :tinfoil:

Siren[m]: you know microsft use domain name for most if not all of there shit.

just backhole them

yeah then you have to tell the govt you lost your moneros in a tragic boating accident

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> you know microsft use domain name for most if not all of there shit.

>

> just backhole them

or do they ;)

* boating accident /s

spacekitty420[m]: Yeah, and that will work on any OS, ME run always, some kind of Java shit if I remember

maybe it's bing maybe if you blackhole it you won't be able to sync NTP anymore

c0mmando[m]: hahaha

that will probably break your windows install

Siren[m]: Just set the clock yourself and force it to NTP from you're router

RavFX[m]: Or just get a free operating system, save yourself headache

Siren[m]: non, Windows run perfectly fine without internet (minus all the internet related stuff of course)

I don't know you but it doesn't run perfectly for me and anyone I know

It's extremely resource intensive on idle

Buggy af too

Siren[m]: Spend the last 2 month try to get the iGPU to behave on a free operating system, ended up installing windows... wow, iGPU work fine now

RavFX[m]: learn to install drivers then

iGPU from Intel, you know.... Intel drivers... they come with the Kernel and Mesa...

don't tell me how to install Linux, I use the things since before the 2000's

RavFX[m]: not all do btw

You have to install firmware stuff for extra feature

and some extra stuff if you want hardware video decode

but's it's about oit

Siren[m]: imaging having to install from a browser and managing your environment vars is just hell

also windows is yet another privacy nightmare when it comes to forensic analysis and disk encryption

install what from a browser

anything you need

fuck windows

complicated and bloated

Chocolatey is for windows what apt/emerge/yum/pacman is for Linux

that's literally so inconvenient

linux too ^^

with extra shit we dont use

why is anyone even defending windows here is my question

ocb: learn linux is not..... is 100x easier than linux

c0mmando[m]: they're coping

windows

choco upgrade all...

how, all my Windows programs got updated.. how.... so magic :/

wormrobot: linux kernel is bloated. not everyone configures it and recompiles it themselves. look into dragonflybsd.org

Imagin using Windows without a package manager lol

RavFX[m]: lol

hey , I see BSD :D

if you want piece of mind your best choices are Graphene and Qubes

Imagine using windows lol

there, just fresh for you bsd user

frecking buffer overflow in frecking ping command, SUID command...

RavFX[m]: and?

your point is?

what does freebsd have to do with dragonflybsd?

do you know how old is the ping command in windows?

And all operating system sucks in there own way.

or how the network tools in windows are non-standard, flawed and riddled with bugs?

whonix has montero in it

ocb: we can both have our own opinions but linux is what i will forever use, from a technical standpoint and from a user-friendly standpoint

I use Linux when I can, just not on my current workstation because if iGPU usse (btw, WSL is just great and really well integrated)

s/when/where/

ocb: but i do have both because we cant forget the gaming standpoint

s/when/where/, s/usse/ussue/

s/when/where/, s/usse/issue/

Siren[m]: you were right

wormrobot: Gaming just work as good on Linux, just use a Radeon card instead of some Nvidia

*except game that need anticheat that spy on you're memory, these don't try to use them on Linux

I game on linux (that's the OS my gaming rig run).

Radeon just work so great on Linux...

Yeah nvidia is a pain on linux

RavFX[m]: i aint buy a 3090 to then go buy a Radeon card

Any Radeon card, jsut get the one you need.

I used to have an nvidia laptop (with GPU switching), never had a problem on Linux

On opensuse every kernel update i have to reinstall nvidia driver

even gamed on it

ocb: it's its own thing apparently:

>DragonFly provides an opportunity for the BSD base to grow in an entirely different direction from the one taken in the FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD series.

My workstation have a crappy iGPU, but it's on all the time and I have power constrain as I use solar, and Linux crap on it (it work but have shitty weird buy that force me to restart the application it randomly affect, just get annoying to use)

Next thin pc I get, I will get a Ryzen one (as they have Radeon iGPU)

I make sure my hardware is compatible with Linux before I even purchase it

Yeah, they say Intel iGPU are compatible...

if they say that then it is

I get more FPS gaming on that intel iGPU on Linux than on Windows... if only the intermitant bug I get with it was not there

have you tried reporting the bug?

RavFX[m]: no, im saying i bought a 3090 i cant go buy a Radeon

Only way to got around the bug, is to use Wayland..

but then it does not support full screen game changing resolution (because i'm not gonna game in 4K on an intel iGPU)

RavFX[m]: been fangirling the whole amd APU since 2400G, rn on 5700U and having eyes on 6900HX <3

wormrobot: oups

Siren[m]: if not you really should try reporting it to either your distro or kernel

it's a know fact that Nvidia sucks on Linux since Radeon 4870HD era)

the Era when masse work on Mesa appened

* the Era when massive great work on Mesa appened

i want to buy a laptop soon which one do u guys recommend

i dont care about gaming on it

wormrobot: if you want Linux, get AMD everything, seriously

Framework

i just want something for dev stuff

x11 is insecure compared to wayland

Even for non gaming, stay away from Intel iGPU

amd iGPU can literally do triple A games nowadays so... thats an easy choice tbh :3

RavFX[m]: my main system is AMD

wayland is pain to use... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…6e9514d6e1c2b4970c377fa76cf0ae20c23>)

spacekitty420[m]: yeah. running dragonfly and netbsd dual boot, but prefer netbsd .. find it simpler to use with the minimal install.

RavFX[m]: I don't know but when I had an intel iGPU paired with Nvidia 1050ti I never had any problems (it was using the iGPU most of the time)

if you sacrifice security to be a gaymer you're ngmi anyway

i love learning all the new ways of securing a system

also, Wayland, can't remember on what screen the shit was.... I understand if it does that when you unplug and plugs screens...

But it also do that when the screen just go to sleep, wake them up them you have to reorganise everything every single frecking time

Siren[m]: so most likely it's you doing something wrong or it's a bug that is caused by your distro doing things wrong

this channel used to be on topic.

i love learning all the new ways of securing a system

ocb: the whole bsd thing is something i def have to look more into for awhile now, currently only have pfsense boxes (freebsd) for the networking stuff and like debian based for the rest like mining, gaming and such, will def be checking that dragonfly thingy when having some fun with the rigs :3

We have offtopic too, I think it's because the discution began here lol

i was going to buy a Dell laptop 16G of ram and a i7 i think

Siren[m]: Saw that bug there on there, no real fix, only solution to make it append less often.

Theory is because I use 3 screens

but yeah we did get offtopic

s/on/and/

<wormrobot> "i want to buy a laptop soon..." <- don't buy those cheap modern thinkpads (like T14s) because they only last about 6 months

Siren[m]: thank you so no thinkpads?

i was thinking about a dell

framework 12 + qubes

wormrobot: I have an E14 and I like it but the T14s my work gave me died after 6 months, got replaced with the same model, died again

Thinkpad use to be great, did not buy recent one thru, can't say for them

they nerfed the keyboards, and few other things to copy apple afaik

wormrobot: I heard dells have better build quality than modern thinkpads

I still use my Lenovo X200 from 2008

it run Linux, of course

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Thinkpad use to be great, did not buy recent one thru, can't say for them

>

> they nerfed the keyboards, and few other things to copy apple afaik

oh the casing cracks so easily...

mine fell from a couch

onto a rug

the side cracked :(

muy X200 fell from laders a few time, oups

and I did plug a ethernat cable that was powered on PoE and fried the network card :/

but I did upgrade most of everything on that thing (screen, two wifi card, lte modem, battery, ssd)...

Siren[m]: mine fell from a couch <--- lmaoo

I still use it as a backup / debug laptop

RavFX[m]: a lader lol

and now I have to go to the store, have to cook tonight.. see ya

wormrobot: was installing some wifi network in public space lol

spacekitty420[m]: give them both a try, netbsd has something special too. in some specific situations you might encounter kernel crashes so count on that. ie - removing and adding tap interface that is in use will crash, removing a network route that was automatically renamed due to gateway redirection (ie ping) will crash, exceeding tmpfs storage and playing video from tmpfs might encounter crashes, various

freezing.. this all happened on workstation for daily use, no issues whatsoever on headless servers. if you like such stuff, you will most likely have some fun :)

that old thinkpad is built like a tank

RavFX[m]: ohh okay lol and take care

Stnby had the most expensive thinkpad available at the time (X13 AMD). It costed a few thousand euros (still around 1k euros), the keyboard died in one week

* Stnby had one of the most

ocb: will do <3

Siren[m]: X series is considered business class :DDD

Oh yes it was shit quality XDD, not expensive compared to m1 macs which also died for me :DDD

thinkpads with the clit thingy... good times <3

hairy nipple

* hairy/crusty nipple

those groves collect all sorts of diseases

spacekitty420[m]: LMAOO

It's called a nipple not a clit xD But I will call it a clit from now on

what am i reading lol

wormrobot: the mousepad was the red ball nipple looking thingy between the keys

Siren[m]: I tuned in and see this

Stnby[m]: Mine is so dirty that whenever I close and open the laptop lid it leaves dirt on the screen ;-;

it's not a thinkpad without the legendary clit/nipple

spacekitty420[m]: ahh okay yeah now i remember

Bruh I stole some old Thinkpad, from my old Icelandic rentals basement, and brought it to Lithuania :D

ofrnxmr[m]: Did all of you have "clit" in your mentions and keywords setting on element? 😳

Stnby[m]: Some old owner left it in there

Stnby[m]: lmaoo

Siren: burn it with fire 🔥

Siren: ... maybe

It needs isopropyl alcohol

70%

Or vodka but I ran out of it

I replaced mine with the one from shitty keyboard x13

and then turned the laptop in

also replaced the charging brick which was about to die

turned it half dead to the employer

Stnby[m]: You stole the original nipple from your work laptop?

XD

* XD, Yeah

It was a bit worn out, but not to the extent you could tell

s/tell/easilytell/

* you could easily tell

I can't because on my work laptop the nipple is faded or has a color defect and it's slightly yellow in the middle

like said, burn it with fire 🔥

Sadly most of the good thing on Lenovo got downgraded to copy apple (while make it worst).... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…73babc0e1c2c1e0e1ebc0c58f6d17af7d74>)

* Sadly most of the good thing on Lenovo got downgraded to copy apple (while make it worst).... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…c6900d9a6561c158d4c451329e0ba2676f5>)

* Sadly most of the good thing on Lenovo got downgraded to copy apple (while make it worst).... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…441563b4d956b986d5dcf7c62090a6b7d00>)

I call the red thing, A "trackpoint".

all that shit right there is literally why i dont do laptops... like, soldered ram? for fucking real? also the whole soldered ssd, like, why in the fuck?

at that point i just rather get one of those mini-pc (like minisforum or even asrock, gigabyte and whatnot doing), plug an external screen in usb-c, keyboard, mouse and if wanting it to be on battery then just get one of those portable batteries thingies on which can even straight up plug solar panels into

modular af, can have screen to break and just pluyg an other, can spill vodka on keyboard, can just plug an other keyboard

while laptops, would be so fucked at every type of issue with it

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Sadly most of the good thing on Lenovo got downgraded to copy apple (while make it worst).... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…ac7374330f317073ebc9ebaf200d0033825>)

Siren[m]: I see :/

At least it feels better than apple keyboard but still the build quality got degraded by a lot

I like the old 8 cells batteries you could use as an "handle" to hold the laptop better

I'm I buy a thinkpad, probably be something between T430 and 480 that I will upgrade to max. Not getting new one

but for now I stay with thin computer and my gaming PC. Have no use of a laptop anymore really

<RavFX[m]> "I call the red thing, A "..." <- Its a clit. Consensus reached

Thin computers are great, they are nicely stackable.

The capacitors on the new thinkpads and their chargers are so bad you can most of the time hear them from far away

Like that high pitch whining noise? Erk

Yes as if they're gonna fail tomorrow

I have a stack of Thinkcenter M72. There great (beside the intel iGPU)

I think they make AMD version now

I'm scared to buy anything lenovo again (all chargers and all T14, T14s has the loud buzzing and hw failures) even though my main E14 is ok. I'll probably go for a dell when my E14 dies.

s/has/have/

ok class, i would like each of you to handwrite every message sent here (after anarkio's circular economy talk). i want it on my desk no later than 9:15 am Monday.

I don't hear the power supply of my Thinkcenter stack

They use 10W idle and ~45W full load. 3 Display plugs, enough USB, one Sata, one Nvme (some have two Nvme). the one I have a 64GB of ram in them but the last model support 128GB)

theses

plowsof: when they say circular economy, do they mean circular economy in economics context?

or around crypto space does it have another meaning

plowsof: You are not going to get sample of my handwriting

except maybe in exchange of 1k monero or something like that

a nice interview with anarkiocrypto here monerochan.news/article/4

"Earn your salary in Monero, rent from a Monero-friendly landlord and buy food from a local Monero convenience store." 🙏

circular economies don't exist though

it has more to do with waste and pollution than currency

s/it/they/, s/has/have/

plowsof: Just have all income in Monero.

Dump it to have everything else in cash :D

Monero as "Bank account"

"Be your own bank" - getmonero.org promotional video

how to convert monero into cheese burger is priority number one

localmonero, sell, "cash at atm"

go to atm to grab cash

use cash to buy cheese burger 🤮

instead, use cash to buy premium burger with goat cheese and real meat

I promise to operate a monero bar and hackerspace when I have enough funds

Or cook yourself, that way you keep more Monero than spending them for restaurent foods

Talking about cooking myself, I should begin if I want to eat eventually 😂

plowsof: Come over for dinner

someone said here that "localmonero is the place you go to sell monero -20% under market value, and buy it for >20% market value" :D

use Localmonero as a market maker

that way you buy monero at -10% and sell monero at +10%

<Siren[m]> "I promise to operate a monero..." <- finna gonna beat bored ape boring burgers order.justboredandhungry.com

🤮

i wonder if any local businesses near the monerokon venue in prague would consider cashing in on hungry drunk monero enjoyers

We're going to have problems regarding food

the ruling elites are having their vip dinner at the event but what about the people!

Siren[m]: eudaimon36: "why do you hate apecoin"

Thats why ^

* regarding food (I think)

plowsof: It's hard to find normal priced supermarkets and restaurants in prague center :(

as far as I know

ofrnxmr[m]: Hahaha

but kebab kiosks are universal so we're all covered

Just to be clear, I think I asked why you were particularly hating on Apecoin

a million shitty coins, you mentioned Ape twice today

plowsof, I made a reddit post of that thing I was working on.

then I saw it was the #1 trending coin on Twatter today

on r/monero

strange world

does it need mod approval?

no

I just thought that maybe you wanted to read it.

yeah, can you link it?

thanks!

"Circular economy" in crypto just means "earn and spend crypto" rather than only hodling/investing/withdrawing to fiat. This was the first mention of crypto circular economies: bitcoinmagazine.com/business/its-ti…o-join-the-bitcoin-circular-economy by Ragnar

eudaimon36[m]: they had a dating app

they later shut it down because there was no women on it

s/was/were/

Id dump a chick if I found out she had apecoin instead of monero

I can only imagine the types of guys on an apecoin dating app 💀

Mochi101 nice summary, thank you for your efforts. you say you couldnt contact houdiniswap.com , they where here a week ago promoting their ccs proposal (didn't go well)

Case is still adjourned :/

The laptop case?

Ofrnxmr vs houdiniswap