<llacqie[m]> "This site must become real" <- I found some nice domains we could get

brotrustme.in

Trustmebro.fund

Trustmebro.biz

Trustmebro.world

Trustmebro.co.in

Trustmebro.me

Trustmebro.us

Is it safe to use a public node that doesn't use SSL, so long as I use it inside Tails (over TOR)? It's a long story, but I can't get access to my VPS node at the moment.

You can't buy them for xmr, but you can convert xmr to btc on changenow and have it direct to the address you use to pay

Namecheap takes btc and this is how i bought my first server and domain

Is it safe to use a public node that doesn't use SSL, so long as I use it inside Tails (over TOR)? It's a long story, but I can't get access to my VPS node at the moment.

Is it safe to use a public node that doesn't use SSL, so long as I use it inside Tails (over TOR)? It's a long story, but I can't get access to my VPS node at the moment.

safe in what way?

plowsof11: safe, as in people won't be able to trace the TX back to me?

have you been victim to any kind of poisoned output attack? are state level agencies monitoring you? (its hard to give a blind yes, but generally speaking using tor and a remote node is 'safe')

Yes

plowsof11: even if that mode, for some strange reason doesn't implement SSL?

plowsof11: *node

i know nothing about SSL so i can't honestly say

tor itself is encrypted no?

Times

* 3 Times

Not enough?

DanIsnotthemanBr: Oh, I didn't realize that.

DanIsnotthemanBr: Thanks. :)

Hi guys

happy new year

I have a quick question

I've been paid in monero for the first time

200 dollars

for a proofread job

i did't know that crypto existed

the guy claims is anonymus

I tell him it is not

I guess the moment I switch from monero to bitcoins everyone knows it is him or me

is that correct?

and you have to switch from one to the other one

congrats on being paid in Monero / crypto!

why do you have to switch?

to withdraw the money

you need xmr <-> fiat? you could sell it peer to peer on localmonero.co for cash/something else you want, or find an exchange with xmr<->fiat pair. but you intend to swap for btc and then btc<-> fiat on an exchange?

thanks plow

I'm new in crypto world

could you translate a bit :)

what is fiat?

e.g. dollars

xmr = monero

ok

but I try to do it my cake wallet to witdraw it in an ATM

I need the cash

I'm not that worried

I just want to make a point to the guy paying me

I needed to create a wallet blah blah

and I don't think is anonymous

a bank transfer / card withdrawals not anonymous though, that would be physical cash in exchange for your monero

anonymous doesnt matter to you, you just want to turn it into dollars

 exactly, I don't mind and I will do this, but why this guy says it is anonymous and keeps pretending keep paying me if in reality it is not

if you want to withdraw the money

monero is not anonymous any more

am I right?

or he is right?

now is kind of personal haha

Melissa: Depends

tell him to come here so we can congratulate him for pushing Monero

No matter how you cash it out they won't be able to trace it back to him, however they might be able to associate it with you

aha, so it is for real for him, so why he says I should use it?

It is not anonymous for me

that part he is not right, is he?

he says change to bitcoins in your cake wallet, sownload it in an ATM is still anonymous

Melissa: It is anonymous for you if you don't cash it out, or if you cash it out peer to peer

"tell him to come here so we can congratulate him for pushing Monero" He is kind of too smart/flirty

I don't know if he is the kind of sleller you want

but money is to cash it out, what is the point of working if I don't get my cash

so he is wrong

yeah!

Depending on where you live ATMs can have know-your-customer questionnaires. Which makes cashing out no longer anonymous.

ah

ok,

so maybe he is not 100% wrong

I'm in UK

He is in Thailand

maybe there is different

Yeah as far as I know you won't find any ATMs in UK anymore :D

I think they had them removed not so long ago

Monero it meant to be used without cashing out. It is already cash. You can buy things directly with it on sites like moneromarket.io

Is meant*

ummm, they will send the things you buy to your address?

I guess you can give any address

so, why he doesn't pay normal, and we can avoid all these things

He is not wrong

Monero is private

Yep exactly. Your address, your friends address, a PO box, whatever. The seller will see the address you give of course, but nobody else has to.

so Monero is not really anonymous if you want to buy milk in the supermarket of my corner shop

What you do with IR afterwards dictates whether YOU remain private

Melissa: Not true

anonymous

Cakepay and coincards can get you anonymous gift cards to buy milk

In a yes

what's that?

Swipe left to right in cake wallet for USA gift cards

I need to buy gifcards to pay for milk?

but I'm in the UK

sgp: or someone else know about cakepay's UK support?

Europe is soon(tm)

Melissa: Can you spend Australian dollars at your supermarket?

(No, you cant)

If you use your credit card to buy milk, the credit card company, associated third parties, government etc. will see what you bought and when and how much it cost.

If you use monero, only the supermarket will know.

Of course you're right that most supermarkets don't directly support monero yet, but that's not monero's fault.

most? I have never seen monero until now

Most... I doubt in UK you can find a supermarket you can pay moneros

Its ok to be green. I just found out that water is wet. We all start somewhere

I doubt you have any idea what youre talking about

Yeah, it's pretty rare. You're totally right that adoption in physical stores is lacking, it's a very fare criticism.

But it won't get better unless we start using it ourselves whenever possible.

Its not fair, as its a wild guess and not entirely true

most supermarkets have gift cards (less kyc to obtain than a visa gift card) - proxy merchants should start selling them

In crypto, monero is top 4 lost accepted coins and always has been

'm not trying to critisise anybody here, I just want to have a fair disucssion with my payer, if I'm wrong I will accept it

Most*

for europe e.g. Aldi

melissa look behind you - theres about 30 proof readers waiting in line to accept payment in monero

your payer will move on lol

Does cakepay.com have UK stuffs?

well plow, I'm afraid proofreading is not about how you get pais, it is the first time somebody paying in monero in 10 years

I have no idea if cakepay works in Uk, I will check

I think her point of supermarkets not directly accepting monero is fair. The gift card conversion is a clunky workaround compared to native support.

just get tommy from allark to send you fiat direclty

just get tommy from allark to send you fiat direclty ????

What you mean/

?

ofrnxmr[m]: ,Yes, yes it does

a joke^ if you dont care about privacy and you insist on having fiat you're in the uk - set up a binance account and sell it directly for fiat there

Then, What countries have monero ATM?

Melissa: Read czrefullly from top to bottom

they act as a visa card at the checkout - and the proxy merchant can buy to order

BusyBoredom[m]: Its not

Let me make this real easy

Melissa: do you already have a crypto exchange account, such as binance

1. XMR is private. The person who paid you wasnt lying or ripping you off.

Good on them for showing you monero

(they're also smart and flirtatious)

2) xmr works too well for governments to acknowledge it. Cashing out of xmr requires using a shitty crypto ( like litecoin or bitcoin ).

2 continued.

If you have an exchange account for stuff like btc or ltc, use that to cash out

I believe localmonero.co has a decent list of offers/methods for turning XMR into GBP, some of which would suit this purpose.

I'm going to use the same cake wallet to withdraw from bitcoins in an ATM

The problem with localmonero is Melissa sounds like they just want it to work, without the whole classifieds experience

So.. main q.. do ya already have an account to buy/sell crypto (like Binance)

ATM will likely rip you off ~10%

My point was just that this is probably not annonymous any more as my payer keeps saying

You're incorrect

Crypto ATMs operating in the country are illegal, U.K.'s financial regulator says.

so, I don't even have bitcoin ATM's in the UK?

Its as anonymous as they said.

If you go TELL sombody "Melissa wants to swap 1 xmr for cash", obviously that isnt anonymous.

If you deliberately expose yourself by trading to fiat via kyc, then yeah your anonymity is blown. Monero didn't blow it though, you did

@Melli can you answer my question please?

Do you have an exchange account, such as binance

Its ok if the answer is no... but if it is yes, that is your easiest on/off ramp

ofrn, you don't get the point, I was paid for a legal job, I don't care if they relate me with this money. I just want to proof to my payer that if I try to cash this money, it will be linked to me

so thanks, you answered my question

it will be linked to me

Oh, well in that case, no

Your wrong and you wont be able to prove that to your payer. This isnt btc

@ trol'

Troll

You've been told 10x that monero is private and the only linkage is stuff that you tell people

Like, you told us that he paid you monero. Its not anonymous is you tell me!

A secret cant ve kept by software if PEOPLE use their mouth to tell the secret

I don't have binance

and I guess you have to give all your details, so again no anonymity

I don't think she's a troll deliberately, I think she's just not used to the idea of using currencies beyond her local legal tender.

I'm not a troll

I just have no clue what is this

it is the first time I'm using crypto

I don't believe this method (or similar) would require any KYC: localmonero.co/ad/sell-monero-cash-…8e1f4db-8bb6-485d-a1f4-db8bb6185d46

anyway, thanks for the people here that try to help

bye

> I just want to proof to my payer that if I try to cash this money, it will be linked to me... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…ee0d9c2f70b674d3c535a6022d30ca7e052>)

what is this ofrn?

Oh, sorry. You're on libera

Probably messed up the formatting for you

bah whatever, I'm not going to waste my time with you dude

I don't know what is libera

bye

Bye sir

Thanks for the information ofrnxmr.. although cashing out to fiat is not anonymous (unless face to face / mail for cash) - i will register on binance and sell monero instantly and have fiat deposited to my bank account

also busyboredom spackle_xmr very much thanks

😆😆 dont give binance the xmr hahaha

But seriously, whether the exchange has xmr or not doesnt matter.

XMR > Trocador.app over tor > shitcoin > exchange like binance

its ok , they have disabled my account demanding to know where the monero came from

plowsof11: Cashing out of xmr directly is only possible on kraken and binance global iirc

But if you arent cashing out directly, the xmr isnt linked to you

Its super obvious that if you hand binance xmr and ask for cash, that binance knows that you handed them xmr and asked for cash

And face to face isnt anonymous unless youre wearing a skimask in a back alley 😝😝

I also wonder how Melissa got on irc without knowing what libera is 🫣

I wonder what he bought from Melissa

probably using a vpn / cloaked

I called troll because textbook confirmation bias. Using libera tells me they arent stupid

<ofrnxmr[m]> "And face to face isnt anonymous..." <- monerobull should start selling ski masks with monero logo pattern instead of body pillows

why can't we have both (asking for a friend)

I want monero sockpuppets for my show. Any idea where I can find them?

Im going to use a monero sockpuppet for the next monero meet, instead of an avatar

plowsof11: You can

But monero ski mask would be drip

monerobull: wale up, we need you

Siren[m]: I have GNU scarf now need Monero ski mask

I know a guy that does clothing and surgical mask

di

dir ignore

<Siren[m]> "monerobull should start selling..." <- I think @crypt0_bear has ski mask merch, maybe we get colab

Hello

Yeah, bear is already doing masks

<Siren[m]> "monerobull should start selling..." <- It's rarely really cold where I'm at and i don't do skiing so I'd personally have greater use for a body pillow 😂

Gave up on trying to sync the node on a usb drive and I'm doing it now on a ssd. Set up 17h ago and it's 45% already. I'm happy. It's a 128gb drive and I hope it don't run out of space before finishing the sync

You need 160 GB

unless you're syncing pruned blockchain

It synced almost half of it and it didn't took that much space. Is it gonna increase non linearly as the sync goes on?

rub1ck[m]: blockchain usage isn't linear

you will have to sync a pruned chain

--prune-blockchain

monerod --prune-blockchain?

will need to delete and start from scratch basically?

pruned is ~55GB at least

I guess I'm already syncing a pruned node as default according to the tutorial I'm following. Is there any way to confirm this using some command just to double check?

plowsof11: No

Just add --prune-blockchain and the chain will stop growing

When you prune after doing a partial full sync, the database file won't get smaller. Instead it will delete portions of the database it doesn't need and fill the reclaimed space with new data

Yes. Can you submit command to monerod in terminal?

Whatever tutorial you used should have the flag... dies it

monerokon press release will be going out soon. anyone wants to say something about monerokon and be quoted.. monerokon.prowly.com/221722-3rd-ann…ralization-in-blockchain-technology

Does*

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Does cakepay.com have UK stuffs?" <- Yes

<Melissa> "I have no idea if cakepay..." <- Yes, buy.cakepay.com

my database is 195GB

If you type check_blockchain_pruning into the terminal where monerod is running, it will tell you.

Im seeing significant lag on matrix side

Missing irc messages etc

Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.1-release)

Blockchain is pruned

Guess I'm alright then and it should fit on my drive. Xmr pruned blockchain is around 60gb, right?

Right, 60gb

Thanks!!

plowsof: how is it 195? Did the main chain grow 40gb? Over the last couple months?

Should be more like 160

Provably 159 then, typo?

i think it crashed while syncing once or twice and i had to start over. so it continues on top of the old one somehow 😁

rub1ck[m]: in case you have issues make sure to update to v0.18.1.2

v0.18.1.1 had some wallet daemon connection bugs

yeah mainet is 160~

<selsta> "rub1ck: in case you have..." <- Is is possible to update if monerod is running through docker?

Yeah I think so, if it use a well maintained image it should update it on next run

If no I don't know, you might want to work on it yourself

s/on/own/

Throughts on an xmr bull run?

#monero-markets:monero.social

But my thoughts, focus on the tech

Without it, were just NGU.

The money should come because the product is #1

And I dont mean #1 on whatever bs cex. I mean #1 choice vs cash/credit/debit/cbdc

good tech doesn't actually sell itself. we still need to educate the public.

Normies have to use it, but it also has to (continue to) work (unlike most other chains)

<hyc> "good tech doesn't actually..." <- Good to hear this sentiment--there is and Enlightenment, capitalist myth that the best product always wins. All one needs do is look at McDonalds and the obesity of America to know that's not true.

s/and/an/

You wrote "McDonalds" but unread "bitcoin"

I read**

eudaimon36[m] what, you don't like plastic burgers?

as2333: 0x0.st/oR3V.jpg

if society was made of great people, the best product would win yes

but society is 99% worthless filth

brainless npc bots

degens

best people make mistakes

vdo: Yup

great_taste: Tame that perfectionism, buddy, otherwise u may end up burning valuable bridges.

<great_taste> "brainless npc bots" <- Openai chatgpt says "thems is fighting words"

Torr: yeah, that's one of my defects. Gotta tolerate people

Of course we all here solidly belong to that 1% sliver at the top, so nothing to worry.

the problem is the criminals at the top

so the problem is the 1%, not the rest

the criminals make use of the brainless. They're not powerful by themselves, nobody is, we're all fragile in the same ways

the criminals at the top are better organized - that's how organized crime works...

as2333: lol, alternative interpretation

they only have power because there are people the serve and protect them

rbrunner =)

*that

you know where that term comes from... "serve and protect"

as2333: that's what makes the jews better than us, they're very organized, work well in teams, very united, stronger together

Well, that didn't take long ...

if you're going to be honest, they deserve the power they have

the only thing that oligarchs of any nationality deserve is a thorough beaten and giving up everything they stole

beating*

.urmom

<great_taste> "as2333: that's what makes the..." <- Finally, someone admits im better than them and explains why 🥳

My eyes must be playing tricks on me. I swear that said "thats what makes _ofrnxmr_ better than us"

Wow, did my offhand comment generate the discussion...

Is there a monero space address?

* space address to join?

gracias