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why do people use bitcoin mixers

isn't it better to just convert to monero and convert back to bitcoin?

have you had your coffee yet ofrnxmr , theres a 'use monero as a condom' question again

Coffee?

Im go time 247

lol

Talking about whirlpool?

<kopperbed[m]> "isn't it better to just convert..." <- kopperbed: no

<kopperbed[m]> "why do people use bitcoin mixers" <- Because they like to have sex with with broken condoms

Purposely

Lets use the expired ones that disintegrate on contact

<ofrnxmr[m]> "kopperbed: no" <- retard

well thats a nice response to someone answering your question isn't it

kopperbed: says the guy with ELI5 questions

I ELI5 for you

Need a better explanation than that?

plowsof11: his answer to my question was "because they like to have sex with broken condoms"

you could have just said that ppl using bitcoin mixers are mislead and should be converting to xmr instead

And that is a PERFECT analogy

s/mislead/misled/

did you obtain that answer after reading the response?

They arent mislead

ofrnxmr[m]: ppl having sex with broken condoms aren't misled.

They CHOOSE to use BROKEN shir

they are just retarded

Cmon now.

They KNOW its broken

did you 'ascertain' that lol

Ghats why coinjoin exists

ofrnxmr[m]: okay if ppl using bitcoin mixers know its broken and use it anyway

then yeah ur analogy stands

Was coinjoin created because bitcoin WORKS?

i assumed they weren't self sabotaging masochists

They know bitcoin doesnt woek

Do monero tunnels exist because coinjoin works? They know xoinjoin doesnt work

They just wont let the dream die

Here at monero, we do reality

still seems odd to me

We dont pretend things dont exist. We implement them

what's their opinion on monero?

That its a shitcoin with infinite supply

if you suggest using monero to someone who uses a btc mixer, what's their response?

with tiny anon set

That is subject to inflation bugs

And will be quantum killed

ofrnxmr[m]: yeah this is kinda the answer i was looking for. that users of btc mixers don't trust monero so they stick with bitcoin

Meanwhile bitcoin is already dead

As a protocol, that is

Its price means nothing.

Bitcoin has purposely sold dreams. Biggest rug in history

Cant support mining operations with tx fees. Bitcoin people all say "we dont know what will happen". Its simple matj

are there any reputable monero to bitcoin converters that don't transfer out dirty bitcoin?

I like how they are hating on the nfts rn

Yes, Fixedfloat

Use it with trocador

They screen bitcoin so you always get clean stuff

I have quite a bit of money in xmr and I want to cash out a little in btc.

monerobull[m]1: thanks

And my referral code 🫣

ofrnxmr[m]: i take back what i said earlier ;)

In trocsdor, select Fixedfloat at the bottom of the trade setup screen

btc maxis themselves do not recommend cleaning btc with anything as it doesnt work

ofrnxmr[m]: what does screening btc mean exactly? for users that are the opposite of me. (wanting to go from btc to xmr)

plowsof11: isn't converting btc to xmr a way of cleaning it?

Its a way of having clean moneyb

Indirectly, yes.

doesn't work

If dirty, deny swap

too many pitfalls, and an outside observer (analysis etc) can see whats going on

Since selling a dirty gun for cash is a way of cleaning it, sort of

plowsof11: how?

$5000 in btc to xmr.

and then back to btc?

then u send that xmr to several different wallets

churn a few times

how is that gonna be traced?

are you returning to btc?

Sending btc = Monero service biz have to do more due diligence

after churning several times to diff wallets

s/Monero/money**/

so then 5000$ in btc would appear randomly again?

plowsof11: uh no

let me rewrite everything more cleary.

If you just buy monero, and use Monero, np

s/cleary./clearly/

If you go but some shitcoin with a specific value at a specific point in time later on, you walk back out into the line of fire

And are known tl have had x amount of Monero now tied to your Bitcoin via the trade

$5000 dollars in btc. converted to xmr. then send to several different wallets in different amounts of money. churned several times over a few week time period. then small amounts of monero are converted back to btc and cashed out at BATMS.

Last step

BTC ATM does kyc

You trade monero for btc. Fixedfloat knows this and KNOWS your btc and where tour btc goes

Just do xmr to cash via localmonero

also "several different wallets" ?

monerobull[m]1: not all.

I live in the USA. no kyc at the BATMS near me

Fixedfloat will send change to your wallet and will know a lot of your outputs as inputs they sent you

cctv and time stamps ?

But what, 20% fee?

Tldr

Buy monero

monerobull[m]1: yeah like 10-15% fee

pretty fucked

ofrnxmr[m]: Period

So localmonero then

do you think the atm has timestamps that could be correlated with cameras in the area

ofrnxmr[m]: i have the opposite problem. I have monero. i just need to cash out

Maybe. Spend it on not-crypto

Localmomero

s/.//, s/Spend/spend/

yep

monerobull[m]1: ^

ofrnxmr[m]: Buy weed, sell to friends 🤷‍♂️

(((if legal)))

and pronounce monero like "mon" - "ero"

Mon aro

plowsof11: first off. I'd do my best to avoid facial recognition but second of all. why should i worry about being identified? My bitcoin woulndt be dirty anyway

it would just be known as bitcoin that was converted from monero

So why churn?

If you have nothing to hide, xmr isnt illegal

churn because in this hypothetical scenario. the 5k in btc is dirty

Just sell it on kraken then

im talking about cleaning 5k in btc

by converting to xmr

I thought you already have xmr

kopperbed[m]: Well then youre in trouble

receiving clean btc back

and then cashing out

Dont use monero as a mixer for your shitcoin

Your problem will be the convesion

The first one

Convert to cash directly or carry the risk

monerobull[m]1: will they automatically block the btc?

the process is one way - no returns accepted

monerobull[m]1: Majestic probably accepts dirty BTC

As does bisq im sure

And atomic swaps

ofrnxmr[m]: That's their whole selling point 🗿

Which is why I manually select exchange partners on trocador LOL. I dont need my btc mixed with or coming from a dirty pool

and how does majestic clean the dirty btc that they receive lol

Russian magic I'd assume

They dont

Some people accept dirty btc because laws dont give a shit

Other places are kyc'd to hell

Disclaimer, i don't know anything about majestic other than they are well liked by r/Darknet

Disclsimer: I cant prove they accept dirty btc because ive never had any to text with 🥸

Test*

Hello. What are the risks of using a remote node vs downloading the whole blockchain?

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Some people accept dirty btc..." <- what happens when they try to cash out?

goblin: Remote nodes can see when you are syncing your wallet. They also know which transaction is yours since you submitted it to them. Knowing your transaction isn't very useful since so much of the info in the transaction is encrypted.

<Rucknium[m]> "goblin: Remote nodes can see..." <- who runs the majority of the remote nodes? volunteers?

I don't know. If you are concerned, you can connect with a remote node that is run by someone who people "trust". But if you're going to use a trustless protocol, then run your own node and only trust yourself.

A remote node = any node that is not yours

Aka the opposite of a local node

But I think I understand the q.

Some shitcoins have 90%, nodes run by the core team.

Not the case here. We are very decentralized

Monero.fail listed nearly 12k nodes last time i checked

I feel like we have more outside of the US&EU since 2 years ago

s/since/than/

If you are looking for a node to connect your wallet to, the majority of publicly available ones are 100% untrusted.

Large nodes of well known community members are "trusted".

Most people dont manually advertise wallet capabilities of their node. Those who did, are often malicious

Tldr

Use a node you run or one you trust wont try to mess with your tx

what are the risks of connecting to a random persons node if you are using whonix?

That they might choose to not relay your tx, serve you different decoys, change your fee so it stands out

ofrnxmr[m]: wtf

Change your fee to 50 xmr

why would they fuck with me like that? i dont see how they can make money from it

Bcs they are angry at monero

Because they like seeing you poor

how does one host their own remote node? is it as simple as renting a vps server, paid in monero?

Same reason people send unlock times of XXX years

goblin[m]: You dont need a vps

PC, ssd

yeah but i dont want to be identified as a monero user

Android, rockpro

I host my own node but it's open for everyone

goblin[m]: Tor

i live in an authoritarian country

I think whonix has monero in repo

You could use cakewallet nodes

monerobull[m]1: for free?

ofrnxmr[m]: yeah its preinstalled

They are as trusted as it gets

monerobull[m]1: Cake has an official onion node now

Yes

I saw

It appeared in my wallet

besides monero documentation, where is the best place to read up on more information about xmr?

Depends what youre looking for

ofrnxmr[m]: what are the options?

of stuff i can be looking for

Breakingmonero on YouTube, monerotopia speeches from last year, also yt

Not sure. Monero is pretty basic and easy to use.

true

Getmonero.org. dont use untrusted wallets etc

There are at least 2 books

untrusted wallets?

Like xmrwallet.com, scam

Or freewallet

I didn't there was such thing as untrusted wallets and trusted wallets

Scam

Untrusted wallets are just scam wallets

Monero.com and stack wallet are the only 2 wallets not listed that you should be able to trust

Not listed on getmonero*

why doesn't everyone just use monero's official gui wallet

Mobile

and electrum wallet for btc

ah

Feather is more powerful, stack desktop is multicoin

ofrnxmr[m]: well i guess you've covered mobile with cakewallet right?

ofrnxmr[m]: in what ways?

Cake, monero.com, stackwallet, monerujo

goblin[m]: Same way cli is more powerful than gui

Feather has access to more advanced features vis the gui.

Monero gui is basic

what do you guys think of the btc users that say btc lightning is more private than regular btc

is this just cope?

or is there any truth to btc lightning being more private than regular xmr

s/xmr/btc/

Centralized cope

goblin[m]: It is, sort of

ofrnxmr[m]: in what ways?

so it's cope and true?

Trading centralization for pseudo privacy

goblin:

thanks!

^ Some papers about Lightning's privacy problems

im going to read this right now

Anyone working on a nostr relay or client that would use monero as the form of payments rather then lightning ?

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hello. need some help with my local node, monerod is not running anymore (used to be)

when i start it manually with

monerod --config-file /etc/monerod.conf

ill get

2023-02-01 18:50:51.725 E Exception in main! boost::filesystem::status: Permission denied [system:13]: "/mnt/Monero/lmdb"

make sure the "Monero" partition is actually mounted

ye it is

sudo ls -l /mnt/Monero

-rw------- 1 monero monero 22327010 31. Jan 20:31 bitmonero.log... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…af1b65e567a0f049c4214c99743580e396f>)

Owner of monerod?

root root

wait

/etc/monerod.conf is root root

/usr/bin/monerod root root

goodcat: Did you run monerod as root last time? Not a good idea. Now you have to change permissions on the monero database file or always run monerod as root. I think.

yeah, the code is generally secure but I'd never launch it as root

In general better to not use privilege user

well monerod ran with systemctl so i dont know how to answer this question

i didnt change anything

you probably set wrong user in your systemd service

maybe i need to add the user to monero group?

Why not use systemctl to start it?

i do

Also monero user needs to be owner

Also what user are you using in systemd service?

you probably should change your systemd service that it will run monerod as monero user

DanIsnotthemanBr: iam not sure what you mean

llacqie[m]: how i gonna do this 🙄

the .service file should specify what user to launch as

Rtfm from seth

hyc: didnt know this is possible

so its gonna be like "systemctl --user enable monerod.service

"

What os?

arch

goodcat-[m]: No

newb here 🫠

The steps will be similar but not exact for your OS sethforprivacy.com/guides/run-a-monero-node-advanced

Scroll to system d

not sure about this part

PIDFile=/var/run/monero/monerod.pid

as i have to no pid file in /var/run/

User=monero

about this line

ye

General question: are there any drawbacks to running monerod as just yourself (current user), without systemctl?

systemctl is creating "/etc/systemd/system/monerod.service"

there i have User=monero Group=monero

*its in /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants

if i start monerod without pointed to the config file its working fine

it must be something about the directory?

>/etc/monerod.conf is root root

>/usr/bin/monerod root root

Needs monero:monero

both?

If systemd runs it then yeah cause thats what execing it

not sure why it ran in the past then..

not working

can some point me the permission for your database folder

like dwrx-rx--- etc.

ls -l /mnt/monero

-rw------- 1 monero monero 22331525 1. Feb 20:36 bitmonero.log... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…bbd1ef3833591cff8ea394656d82a832e46>)

goodcat: Go to #monero-support:monero.social

aight

thx for your help so far

Can someone donate me a few xmr? 🫥

have you done anything to benefit this community?

<alphacharlie[m]> "Can someone donate me a few xmr?..." <- .

wow the network is fast tonight

5 confirmations in a minute