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JacobGonzales[m]
what do you guys think of lbry network
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JacobGonzales[m]
for files
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JacobGonzales[m]
aka the odysee frontend
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JacobGonzales[m]
or lbry desktop for direct access
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plowsof11
Jacob Gonzales: what do you think about staying on topic
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JacobGonzales[m]
lol
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JacobGonzales[m]
just general discussion didn't realize you like being close minded
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monerobull[m]
Plow
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JacobGonzales[m]
ahaha
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monerobull[m]
Chill
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JacobGonzales[m]
is there an offtopic channel?
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monerobull[m]
There's nobody here
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JacobGonzales[m]
or matrix space for this community
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plowsof11
of course #monero-offtopic:monero.social
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monerobull[m]
And banishing people to the offtopic room ALWAYS kills the discussion
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monerobull[m]
You're breaking the natural flow 🙏
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JacobGonzales[m]
it's alright
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JacobGonzales[m]
does this channel got a space with all the channels?
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plowsof11
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JacobGonzales[m]
plowsof11: thanks for being resourceful
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plowsof11
the natural flow of the monero channel is not going to be lunardao , btt, lbry
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plowsof11
i am a dictator now sirs
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monerobull[m]
Does anyone care
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monerobull[m]
You're like a discord mod 💢
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nioc
>>> #monero-monero
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JacobGonzales[m]
monerobull[m]: ayo chill
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JacobGonzales[m]
he's a community helper
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JacobGonzales[m]
🤣🤣🤣
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monerobull[m]
Kek that sounds very stupid
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JacobGonzales[m]
" i am a dictator now sirs "
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plowsof11
if i see people having fun, it must be stopped, at all costs
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monerobull[m]
JacobGonzales[m]: Hey that's me
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monerobull[m]
Only i have a bunch of deprecated roles sgp set up 5 years ago
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monerobull[m]
I am still amazed i figured out the discord bridge while barley knowing how to ssh into a server
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JacobGonzales[m]
i remember back in the early days of matrix
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JacobGonzales[m]
bridging was terrible
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JacobGonzales[m]
barely worked now it's a big better
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monerobull[m]
I like to use matrix for notifications
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JacobGonzales[m]
i've used matrix since it was called riot.im
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JacobGonzales[m]
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JacobGonzales[m]
lol
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monerobull[m]
I get matrix message from an off-site Server should my node go down
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monerobull[m]
Or monerosupplies or monero.house
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JacobGonzales[m]
oo
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monerobull[m]
Way easier to set up than email
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monerobull[m]
I should spin up my docker node again
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monerobull[m]
I stopped it and started one with momerod to mint morbs
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monerobull[m]
I just know once i shut down the morb wallet once, I'll never touch it again
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monerobull[m]
Does anyone want to buy the monerochan collection? 10 premium morbs, very nice
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JacobGonzales[m]
i'm indexing monero.house on mwmbl search
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JacobGonzales[m]
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monerobull[m]
Huh, cool?
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monerobull[m]
I'll look that project up tomorrow
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plowsof11
they accept donations via "the giving block" who does not list monero =(
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monerobull[m]
Monero.house takes donations right in the sidebar ;:DD
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plowsof11
link seems to not work
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monerobull[m]
Good thing i didn't go with njala hosting for that one, way cheaper so donations aren't really necessary
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monerobull[m]
plowsof11: That would be your DNS/vpn/av then
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monerobull[m]
Some Russian crypto scam in 2018 used the domain. I'm still trying to get removed from all the filter lists
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monerobull[m]
But it's quite a hassle
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monerobull[m]
Anyways, food night
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monerobull[m]
s/food/good/
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ofrnxmr[m]
This is what happens when my phone dies
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noobcake2465[m]
heyyy guys
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noobcake2465[m]
so like i haven't bought crypto in aaaaages
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noobcake2465[m]
seems binance requires KYC just to deposit crypto now lmao
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noobcake2465[m]
normally what i used to do is buy some shitcoin on an exchange with KYC then xfer the shitcoin to binance for monero
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noobcake2465[m]
and move the monero then to another exchange like tradeogre (accessed via Tor)
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noobcake2465[m]
looks like ill have to find another exchange for the middle one, im not interested in doing KYC with more than one the first exchange
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plowsof11
anything on
kycnot.me interest you?
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noobcake2465[m]
ah i didn't know about that site
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noobcake2465[m]
looks interesting
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plowsof11
pluja is the author
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noobcake2465[m]
crypto was always something i wanted to learn more about hahaha
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noobcake2465[m]
irony of it is i know quite a bit just not about that kind of crypto lol
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noobcake2465[m]
the reason i fucking hate KYC is because ive had issues in the past
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noobcake2465[m]
like i had some identity theft issues is the TLDR
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noobcake2465[m]
due to a breach and basically whenever i do KYC ironially with binance
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noobcake2465[m]
they refuse me
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noobcake2465[m]
and wont give me a reason
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noobcake2465[m]
something something darknet is all i could get out of them when i nagged the shit out of their support for like 6 months lmao
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noobcake2465[m]
the irony is i have perfect credit rating, never done any crimes either that i know of but yeah
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noobcake2465[m]
"we don't discuss" lol
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noobcake2465[m]
actually had that issues with big banking institutions too
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noobcake2465[m]
though smaller ones seem just fine with me being a customer
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noobcake2465[m]
and they all hide behind "we don't discuss business practices"
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noobcake2465[m]
sometimes they'd let me be a customer for like years, in last case my bank i was with them for 12 years lol
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plowsof11
i hope you are able to be an enjoyer of monero soon sir
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noobcake2465[m]
then i get a letter going "we want to terminate our relationship with you blah blah blah (no information)"
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bridgerton[m]
<salami donators!> (Fractional Reserve) Banks r a dying fad anyways
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noobcake2465[m]
they clearly do zero auditing because if they did they'd realize my money comes from legitimate sources
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noobcake2465[m]
namely my employer... which is the government lmao
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plowsof11
she sent me that exact same message
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noobcake2465[m]
(and no, i'm not a welfare person, i work for a government institution)
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noobcake2465[m]
but yeah they're super fucking lazy and binance is one of the worst
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bridgerton[m]
<salami donators!> Federal institutions init
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noobcake2465[m]
they have basically "become" a shitty bank
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noobcake2465[m]
i'm not so sure banks are dying as such, there's still a lot of usability issues with crypto
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noobcake2465[m]
frankly people are too fucking dumb and forget passwords, get locked out
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noobcake2465[m]
i think if there is crypto as a state currency it will probably be centralized
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noobcake2465[m]
where government has control over it, i think that'll always remain the case
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noobcake2465[m]
the only countries ive seen adopting "btc" or whatever as legal tender either are sanctioned to the hilt or just have such a shitty currency exchange because nobody wants it
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noobcake2465[m]
and are basically failed states
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noobcake2465[m]
wow this kycnot.me is a goood site
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plowsof11
monerica.com is nice too
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noobcake2465[m]
helps people get up to speed every year i feel like i have to "catch up"
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noobcake2465[m]
but yeah my biggest fear is an exchange will demand KYC and then fuck me
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bridgerton[m]
<salami donators!> Fractional reserve is a toxic, hazardous, and evil system
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noobcake2465[m]
the problem is i don't actually think they check proper AML lists
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bridgerton[m]
<salami donators!> Thank god these banks are collapsing
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noobcake2465[m]
instead what they do is they check private ones like
complyadvantage.com which are often out of date
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bridgerton[m]
<salami donators!> Then more ppl will use gold/crypto
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noobcake2465[m]
of course banks will never admit what they use to do "compliance checking"
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noobcake2465[m]
but binance did say that the "darknet" thing was a "third party compliance tool"
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noobcake2465[m]
which one, who knows.
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noobcake2465[m]
unfortunately where i live the government has done bullshit laws that basically "protect" banks
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noobcake2465[m]
from actually revealing where/how/what their information is because they don't want to tip off those bad criminals hey
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noobcake2465[m]
so what the banks do is hide behind that and basically say "we don't have to tell you anything other than fuck off"
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noobcake2465[m]
and we don't have to discuss it either
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noobcake2465[m]
though the weird thing is there are some exchanges that work just fine with KYC and are like all good
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noobcake2465[m]
i had good experience with coinspot for example
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noobcake2465[m]
What bank does CoinSpot use?
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noobcake2465[m]
We are officially switching banks from Westpac to ANZ.
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noobcake2465[m]
lmao
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noobcake2465[m]
i wonder if coinspot will tell me to get fucked now
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noobcake2465[m]
because ANZ was the bank that told me to fuck off last time
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nioc
it all depends on what regulations they are following and how little effort they can get away with to do so
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noobcake2465[m]
well it will probably be okay because i already KYCed with them
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noobcake2465[m]
i just don't want to do it with a tonne of exchanges because of the chance of them having a breach
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noobcake2465[m]
a lot of exchanges in australia won't even deal with monero
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noobcake2465[m]
they hate privacy coins
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noobcake2465[m]
Are privacy coins illegal in Australia?
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noobcake2465[m]
In Australia, local cryptocurrency exchanges do not offer privacy coins like monero, though they are not outright banned like they are in China, India and Japan. Professor Tan said that's likely to remain the case. “A ban of some form is certainly possible.30 Sept 2022
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noobcake2465[m]
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noobcake2465[m]
cry a river
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bridgerton[m]
<Bon 💗> We must help them get access to monero in any way or form 😭They need monero
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noobcake2465[m]
yeah i get it anyway typically i do the KYC exchange (buy shitcoin) > no kyc, using VPN (swap shitcoin for XMR) > no kyc, using Tor (receive XMR move to non-custodial wallet)
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Dazed[m]
> <@noobcake2465:monero.social> Are privacy coins illegal in Australia?
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Dazed[m]
> In Australia, local cryptocurrency exchanges do not offer privacy coins like monero, though they are not outright banned like they are in China, India and Japan. Professor Tan said that's likely to remain the case. “A ban of some form is certainly possible.30 Sept 2022
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Dazed[m]
Drugs are illegal, but that doesn't stop people from purchasing them
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noobcake2465[m]
yeah i have no interest in drugs or porn lol
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cockliuser[m]
<noobcake2465[m]> "yeah i have no interest in drugs..." <- He's using drugs as an example
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cockliuser[m]
Banning Monero won't stop people from buying it
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noobcake2465[m]
lol true.
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noobcake2465[m]
i buy it anyway
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noobcake2465[m]
good for paying for my usenet and vpn accessss
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cockliuser[m]
Even if they go extreme mode and kill all exchanges + ban localmonero domain
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cockliuser[m]
Peer-to-peer trading via an anonymity network will still be possible
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cockliuser[m]
(like TOR or I2P)
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noobcake2465[m]
i looked at bisq, very few sellers where i am
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noobcake2465[m]
so ill prolly alt-coin shift
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cockliuser[m]
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cockliuser[m]
And premium is not that bad either, spot is 229 AUD while localmonero while cash-on-delivery is 239, price of freedom lol
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cockliuser[m]
s/239/238/
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noobcake2465[m]
yeah might do that.
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noobcake2465[m]
last time i got it from cuntspot and then xfered to gaynance
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noobcake2465[m]
but i don't think i will do that again as cuntspot rags on you to the tax office
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noobcake2465[m]
and binance doesn't let you have any crypto without KYC lol so not doing that again haha
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dodgyboi
.faucet
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Wallet
dodgyboi: This command is disabled in this channel.
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noobcake2465[m]
<cockliuser[m]> "
localmonero.co/buy-..." <- you're right more sellers on localmonero.co
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noobcake2465[m]
i thought that site shut down, or was it localbitcoin
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ofrnxmr[m]
The latter
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Neva
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Localbitcoin did
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noobcake2465[m]
i should see if my clients will pay monero
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heinrich[m]
GIVING AWAY FREE XMR STICKERS
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heinrich[m]
You only pay for shipping (shipping from Germany)
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heinrich[m]
pm if interested
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noobcake2465[m]
are there any sexworkers here who use monero? I do sex work and i'm thinking about that.
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heinrich[m]
noobcake2465[m]: i have heard of "onlycoins"
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heinrich[m]
not sure if that platform supports xmr tho
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noobcake2465[m]
yeah probably not
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heinrich[m]
would def love to pay my prostitutes with xmr ^^
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heinrich[m]
but i think this will only happen in case of mass adoption
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heinrich[m]
be the change you want to see
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noobcake2465[m]
a friend of mine used to do stuff for XMR lol
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noobcake2465[m]
heinrich i think it was because they were worried about being banned lol
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noobcake2465[m]
XMR doesn't ask how old you are 🤣 that's why she used it
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noobcake2465[m]
but unfortunately most perverts don't know what it even is
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heinrich[m]
lol
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noobcake2465[m]
i know she got a head start on her college fund lol
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noobcake2465[m]
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cockliuser[m]
noobcake2465[m]: Wait what
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cockliuser[m]
"Onlyfans bans adult content"
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cockliuser[m]
I thought Onlyfans was adult content
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noobcake2465[m]
i am confused same
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noobcake2465[m]
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noobcake2465[m]
its pretty fucked though
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cockliuser[m]
If they ban adult content they'll essentially become a patreon competitor lol
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heinrich[m]
it is time crypto pimps!
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noobcake2465[m]
3.26 for a quickie 10 xmr if you wanna stay the night!
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noobcake2465[m]
doesn't make us sound too cheap
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dodgyboi
.duckcall
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Wallet
dodgyboi: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
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Wallet
dodgyboi: Duck! (Look up.. Try .bang or .befr)
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dodgyboi
.bang
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Wallet
dodgyboi: YOU GOT IT! Time: ≈322 days 2 hrs 50 min 16.89 sec Lucky Duck! You get 0.00000003 XMR! [eddca924] Ratio: 1 of 1 Bullets: 1 of 2
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dodgyboi
.faucuet
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dodgyboi
.faucet
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Wallet
dodgyboi: This command is disabled in this channel.
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heinrich[m]
noobcake2465[m]: thats quite pricey
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noobcake2465[m]
well normally do 450-500 USD a hour
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noobcake2465[m]
depends tho on if i like the person lol
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heinrich[m]
not bad
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noobcake2465[m]
i'm not some meth whore lmao
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cockliuser[m]
We can all agree that Australia is/was/probably will be a prison colony
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ar-[m]
<noobcake2465[m]> "because ANZ was the bank that..." <- Shit fucking Australian shit. It doesn't matter which one you choose. Australians tend to stay domestic because they always think their stuff is the greatest in the world.
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noobcake2465[m]
<ar-[m]> "Shit fucking Australian shit. It..." <- well i think it's a case of bipartisan effort
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noobcake2465[m]
when both sides of politics agree on a thing, you rarely get change
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noobcake2465[m]
and tbh its just greedy banks trying to minimize risk by pretending to give a shit about things
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noobcake2465[m]
i've only ever done cash for sex stuff, but have thought about using monero
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noobcake2465[m]
and never been busted so yeah
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noobcake2465[m]
i would never use a banking institution for that kind of thing
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CodingCowboy[m]
noobcake2465[m]: Hmm when both sides agree on a thing the people usually gets screwed.
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heinrich[m]
<noobcake2465[m]> "and never been busted so yeah" <- is it illegal in australia?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Yes
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heinrich[m]
that sucks
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modul8[m]
<noobcake2465[m]> "the problem is i don't actually..." <- they probably run your email thru search engines and have i been powned to see what dodgy sites you sign up to (if the site have been breached). i signed up to a new bank recently with new phone number (linux phone yay) and new gmail account. will have to change the details for my other banks i have with those details too. localmonero is the easiest to buy from with no kyc. using mail is
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modul8[m]
surprisingly robust btw. i still have worries that my early bisq transactions will be questioned. i mean there was one person i was buying from that had the same name but different accounts. seemed a bit dodge.
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modul8[m]
also bisq are very stubborn. they publish the exact price of a buy or sell. so its not hard for a switched in bank to check bisq and see if any $350.45 AUD were recently made on their system and check those tx more cloely. even decoy 'reason/descriptions' for the fait transfers were not entertained by bisq. they want to stick with those random invoice numbers that look suss to the bank.
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modul8[m]
still think bitcoin and fiat transfer is the stupidest thing you can do. traceable on both sides. not worth getting a bank account closed over due to unknown counterparties fiat and bitcoin.
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xmrack[m]
Why did Kovri dies as a project? Can someone give me a tl;dr
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apotheon
xmrack[m]: I think it was social drama of some kind, but that's based on fading memory of some stuff I read about it before COVID.
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apotheon
I wasn't exactly knowledgeable about it.
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selsta
kovri initially forked from i2pd due to inactivity, at some point their dev came back and continued work on i2pd
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selsta
meanwhile kovri only had a single contributor who vanished at some point
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selsta
basically lack of developer resources and it wouldn't make sense to maintain it in addition to i2pd
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selsta
(there were some other contributors from time to time but basically a single main contributor)
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xmrack[m]
got it, thanks
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ceetee[m]
<JacobGonzales[m]> "what do you guys think of lbry..." <- love it. Odysee works great, even in direct comparison with youtube
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xmrfn[m]
I have serious concerns about LBRY and Odyssee
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xmrfn[m]
I wish I could support it, I hate YouTube/GAFAM. But LBRY is not the solution.
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JacobGonzales[m]
Agreed
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JacobGonzales[m]
But it’s the most used alternative
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xmrfn[m]
Some of them are technical -- it's just a company making money off torrents, that's all they are doing for file storage under the covers.
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JacobGonzales[m]
Peertube isn’t a solution either
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JacobGonzales[m]
Discovery is to complex in peertube
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JacobGonzales[m]
For the average user
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JacobGonzales[m]
How much privacy does Lbry desktop offer to users though ?
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xmrfn[m]
Invidious and PeerTube are the best we have RN, IMO.
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xmrfn[m]
None
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xmrfn[m]
And Obyssee is an intentional data rape
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xmrfn[m]
s/Obyssee/Odyssee/
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JacobGonzales[m]
Explain
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plowsof11
monerobull: natural flow
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JacobGonzales[m]
Natural flow
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JacobGonzales[m]
I was waiting for the state trooper to come into the chat 💀
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xmrfn[m]
Odyssee sells tracking / ad information and explicitly aligns itself to provide better telemetry to its real customers
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xmrfn[m]
It is extremely two-faced and morally disgusting, marketing as a free speech privacy platform. Odyssey was created because LBRY was going nowhere and funding was a problem
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JacobGonzales[m]
Odysee out of the situation
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JacobGonzales[m]
Is Lbry desktop have any privacy
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xmrfn[m]
And sorry, since I'm in Rigteous Indignation mode, I have to comment on BTT.
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xmrfn[m]
*sigh* yet another "utility token", not terribly different in concept from LBRY or FIL.
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xmrfn[m]
All three of which are very poor solutions to a problem that we don't actually have
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JacobGonzales[m]
Lbry desktop is completely separate from Odysee
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JacobGonzales[m]
> <@xmrfn:monero.social> And sorry, since I'm in Rigteous Indignation mode, I have to comment on BTT.
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JacobGonzales[m]
> *sigh* yet another "utility token", not terribly different in concept from LBRY or FIL.
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JacobGonzales[m]
> All three of which are very poor solutions to a problem that we don't actually have
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JacobGonzales[m]
Agreed
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JacobGonzales[m]
Odysee requires a proof of payment to submit videos while Lbry desktop doesn’t only a wallet address and you can post as long as you have funds
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JacobGonzales[m]
Though the official app has telemetry like crash analytics
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xmrfn[m]
LBRY is not private. It just doen't love tracking you was much as Odyssee. Think Thunderbird connecting to a GMail POP, versus using GMail in-browser with Javascript and all
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xmrfn[m]
And both are created by the same company, the same group of less than a dozen people
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xmrfn[m]
* Both LBRY and Odyssey are created by the same company, the same group of less than a dozen people
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ceetee[m]
make something better, convince content creators and I'll switch. No tech is perfect, but its better then youtube
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DanIsnotthemanBr
They wont switch cause no 💰
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ceetee[m]
a platform without people is worthless
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xmrfn[m]
Personally I think PeerTube is the right way to go. The pickup in Mastodon helps, it's all ActivityPub
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xmrfn[m]
PeerTube is selfhosted & Febderated so it has the same benefits and drawbacks of that model.
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xmrfn[m]
s/Febderated/Federated/
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ceetee[m]
sry plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: for sparking this ot discussion
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xmrfn[m]
Oh shi- whe should have been doing all this on the OT channel :/
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plowsof11
im not allowed to ruin peoples fun please continue
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ceetee[m]
yeah didn't notice either ._.
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xmrfn[m]
s/whe/we/
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Bad mod
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Just monero randomly and its ok
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DanIsnotthemanBr
* Just say monero randomly
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xmrfn[m]
Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate): Most YT creators already pitch their Patreon or similar.
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xmrfn[m]
In addition to (or better, instead of) pitching their Discord, creators could just as well pitch access to their PeerTube instance, which is probably a better match for a YouTuber than Discord anyway.
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uncle_rae
ah :(
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Rucknium[m]
Mordinal-educated people, is there an easy way to get the tx ids of all Mordinals? monerobull ?
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monerobull[m]
uh
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monerobull[m]
just search the last 2 weeks for stuff thats larger than 5kb?
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monerobull[m]
i know you can querry all the moneropunks
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monerobull[m]
i guess you could scrape mordinals.org
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monerobull[m]
but they censor stuff
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monerobull[m]
in which case there isnt a tx i
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monerobull[m]
d
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Rucknium[m]
Is there a specific tag in tx_extra for mordinals?
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monerobull[m]
hm
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slave_blocker
hello good day
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monerobull[m]
57ee14193fd8a8754f166c2444baaf3e2ff63e4b7ddb84a97ecf36f27dcd2647
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monerobull[m]
c2312048d37bebc23104d2ca5901b114ff1a8bdd5c5304f9b31deb2d0e40a404
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monerobull[m]
aa1583be77d0402281984aa74265908c5c8764016e0f659a054823623e3d82bc
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monerobull[m]
483063f7c915b5c83f0e2e4d3fe3e9f3ecdb826117b1b124e28da495c57eb19b
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monerobull[m]
8af106940138921e28a43ea97c0fa0fc1aa2a7cd20a24da6f2c326316d418182
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monerobull[m]
bae59bf440875111807fbfa908278757ac46146cc79af506b2450b9407ba38c7
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monerobull[m]
1a31ef59f8277fc7d0c353c4449566cb90a9cf6c5d3b64b3fff645567d97d4f4
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slave_blocker
how does the block propagation happen in monero
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monerobull[m]
4e9fed54c9a41e6076de4bf64a89c7bc4251d1bde483f9fce427990868a7f536
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monerobull[m]
6f4e749fe80f76a2b1d2e3abd8cdd2fcd6a68c794b8e90ff59f52474fc5a9f44
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monerobull[m]
17d2a20a805b449e761681e7c3a005422e56db161e441e872b88e53b26538915
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monerobull[m]
here are most of my monerochans
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cockliuser[m]
😭
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monerobull[m]
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Rucknium[m]
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monerobull[m]
rucknium
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monerobull[m]
i put anime morbs on the morbchain
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Rucknium[m]
slave_blocker: AFAIK, the same as with other proof of work cryptocurrencies
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monerobull[m]
you dont seriously expect me to know the deeper workings of this
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monerobull[m]
😅
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Rucknium[m]
I hoped that there was an API or something
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cockliuser[m]
Rucknium[m]: There's some documentatioj
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cockliuser[m]
* There's some documentation
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cockliuser[m]
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slave_blocker
hello good dayhum
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slave_blocker
how does the block propagation happen in monerorucknium
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slave_blocker
so the entire block is propagated through the network?
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Rucknium[m]
You mean does it use a shortcut like xthinner? A good question for sech1
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slave_blocker
so the entire block is propagated through the network?ive been studying bulletproofs for a year now only on weekends and ive still could not write it verbatim
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slave_blocker
i also only have weekends
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slave_blocker
and
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slave_blocker
...well
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slave_blocker
it seems to me that there is something logarithmic in this case aswell
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slave_blocker
because if every node has a sorted mempool of tx's
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slave_blocker
...
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sech1
Monero uses fluffy blocks for fast propagation
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sech1
basically just a header + list of transaction hashes
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slave_blocker
what is xthinner?
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Rucknium[m]
monerobull: It looks like mordinals have tag "10" after the standard tx_extra pub key.
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slave_blocker
oh thats great
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wormfeed
Hopefully Ordinals pick up enough to where 15 of the decoy signatures in a tx are all NFTs so we can easily identify and de-anonymize transactions
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Rucknium[m]
Parsing tx_extra is my favorite thing to do. (This is false.)
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slave_blocker
thats pretty slick already
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slave_blocker
:)
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monerobull[m]
well, have fun doing your statistics on them
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slave_blocker
always wondered what fluffy blocks where
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slave_blocker
now i know
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slave_blocker
hum
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slave_blocker
i watched monero talk and heard about these mordinals
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slave_blocker
i emptied my monero bags
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slave_blocker
was not much
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slave_blocker
:(
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slave_blocker
as far as i understand tx extra has a functionality for sub addresses aswell as for the tx public key
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slave_blocker
cant tx extra be truncated for only that functionality
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slave_blocker
?
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xfedex[m]
Yes
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slave_blocker
so all nodes upgrade to that?
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slave_blocker
or would that be a hard fork?
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cockliuser[m]
<wormfeed> "Hopefully Ordinals pick up..." <- Eh most probably that won't happen
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cockliuser[m]
wormfeed: Bitcoin ordinals were 10k in a week I think
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cockliuser[m]
While monero ordinals have hardly reached 1k
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Rucknium[m]
There is a plan to limit tx_extra length in transaction relay rules. IMHO, it won't be very effective because even 10% of miners with un-upgraded nodes could confirm mordinals. An effective method would be a hard fork.
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xfedex[m]
@slave_blocker: the latest version of Monero from source has a quick fix: it already limits tx_extra to 1060 bytes. Blocks containing transactions with extra > 1060 bytes won't be rejected, but the nodes refuse to broadcast the txs (they don't add them in mempool)
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ofrnxmr[m]
cockliuser[m]: The software didnt work
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ofrnxmr[m]
And rpc wasnt released
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ofrnxmr[m]
Release rpc
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cockliuser[m]
mordinals repo is a pain to compile
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ofrnxmr[m]
And ordinals coming out if morbinals are under the 255byte proposal
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ofrnxmr[m]
cockliuser[m]: Nope
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ofrnxmr[m]
Fixed
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ofrnxmr[m]
But rpc is set to not build
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xfedex[m]
cockliuser[m]: Sir, this is C++
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ofrnxmr[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Making for 1.7kb 1in 2out transactions
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slave_blocker
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slave_blocker
i like nft's
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ofrnxmr[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: When the norm is 1.5kb
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slave_blocker
but they should always be on the heviest chain
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xfedex[m]
Why is C++ dependencies handling so... uncomfortable? And why is cross-compiling C++ to different OS/architectures such a pain?
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slave_blocker
no need to have them in xmr
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slave_blocker
im sad about this
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slave_blocker
back to the block propagation topic
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xfedex[m]
Ye, probably the best chain for NFTs is Solana
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cockliuser[m]
Nah
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slave_blocker
header + list of tx hashes is very slick
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cockliuser[m]
BTC
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slave_blocker
can we do better
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cockliuser[m]
best chain for NFTs ^
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slave_blocker
?
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xfedex[m]
sir, BTC has a lot of fees and is slow
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cockliuser[m]
xfedex[m]: But Solana has downtime 😵💫
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cockliuser[m]
Blockchain with downtime
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xfedex[m]
cockliuser[m]: It's not actually *that* much
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jeffro256[m]
Rucknium[m]: You wouldn't necessarily need a hard fork for this. Since the new rules would be a strict subset of the old rules, you could do a soft fork so nodes maintain backwards compatibility
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xfedex[m]
when you make NFTs you usually don't care about decentralization
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jeffro256[m]
xfedex[m]: Agrred
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XMRPriest[m]
Tx extra will be killed soon enough
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XMRPriest[m]
That’s why I haven’t emptied my bags
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Rucknium[m]
jeffro256: That's technically true. But a supermajority of miners have to agree to the soft fork like in BTC
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cockliuser[m]
xfedex @xfedex:matrix.org: a tx to be included in Solana you also have to literally ddos the nodes until your tx gets included
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cockliuser[m]
* xfedex @xfedex:matrix.org: for a tx
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xfedex[m]
cockliuser[m]: i think i once sent a tx on solana and it went fine on first attempt
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cockliuser[m]
Yeah but the model is keep sending transaction over UDP until it's accepted lol
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slave_blocker
i dont know what solana is , and i doubt it has the metric of 2.3 million fastest btc miners defining time in a dicrete digital fashion.
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jeffro256[m]
Rucknium[m]: Yeah, but it would be better than just relay rules probabky
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cockliuser[m]
So basically Solana model is first transaction to get included in a block has DDOSed nodes most efficiently
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cockliuser[m]
kinda funny
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jeffro256[m]
slave_blocker: It's like if they turned Skype into a crypticurrency
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xfedex[m]
slave_blocker: slave_blocker solana is a nearly feeless and fast NFT blockchain. It's also super centralized and 100% premined, but you usually don't care about that when you create an NFT or a shittoken
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xfedex[m]
i would feel more comfortable storing enough money to mint a couple NFTs on Solana (like $0.10?) than doing NFTs on Monero
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cockliuser[m]
No hype surrounding Solana NFTs though that's for sure
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wormfeed
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Rucknium[m]
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xfedex[m]
Side-trips: what do you want? Please let me know how I can help you before sending private message requests
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monerobull[m]
It's statistics time. Statistics all over the morb statistics
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cockliuser[m]
0x10
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cockliuser[m]
so 16
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xfedex[m]
0x10 != 10
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cockliuser[m]
16 not a bad number :P
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Rucknium[m]
monerobull: I am doing empirical effective ring size effect of P2Pool outputs. So I may compared Mordinals effect
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cockliuser[m]
Rucknium, why not all coinbase instead of p2pool outputs?
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Side-trips[m]
xfedex[m]: I just liked the profile pic and was curious to know if you could tell me what inspired the colors that aren't monero?
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monerobull[m]
Rucknium[m]: Looking forward to seeing the results on monero.house 😜
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Rucknium[m]
Null hex doesn't show up in block explorers. Anyway, I will go parse. At some point
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xfedex[m]
Side-trips[m]: They are wownero colors
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xfedex[m]
wownero is a monero memecoin fork, and both the first private memecoin and the first solo-mining coin ever
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Rucknium[m]
cockliuser: It will be all coinbase. But most coinbases have one output. Before the recent upgrade P2Pool had about 70 outputs per coinbase tx on average. P2Pool dominates the coinbase effect.
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Rucknium[m]
I calculated the "theoretical" effect here:
monero-project/research-lab #109
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Rucknium[m]
under simplifying assumptions. I have code to pull the empirical data from the blockchain now.
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slave_blocker
xfedex, i dont get why the strict capping of txextra... what if a tx uses hundreds of dubaddresses and stuff in that field?
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xfedex[m]
There is a limit of 16 outputs per transaction
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slave_blocker
and assuming that it could be capped on the needed functionality only, could the network just upgarde to that without a hard fork
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slave_blocker
?
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xfedex[m]
the strict limit of 1060 has been picked because no classic transaction can have more than 1060 bytes tx_extra
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slave_blocker
so is there still place for "dust" space for a new nft?
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slave_blocker
if you know what i mean
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slave_blocker
or is this shit solved
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slave_blocker
brb
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cockliuser[m]
slave_blocker: A hard fork is needed to cap tx_extra
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XMRPriest[m]
Or to remove it
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cockliuser[m]
slave_blocker: technically there always will be dust space for NFTs, it's impossible to prevent
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Rucknium[m]
In hindsight, the August 2022 hard fork was a missed opportunity to limit tx_extra IMHO.
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slave_blocker
thanks so much
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slave_blocker
good luck
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cockliuser[m]
XMR Priest: sure, but current consensus is to limit it, removing it opens up a whole new can of worms
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ofrnxmr[m]
Cockli, bs
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Rucknium[m]
Eliminating the user-defined tx lock time was also discussed before last hard fork. No consensus was reached.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Leaving it leaves a can of worms
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ofrnxmr[m]
Doors that are already open dont magically become open
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xmrfn[m]
Rucknium: monerobull "10" isn't guaranteed to be a mordinal, that's any TX_EXTRA_NONCE_ENCRYPTED_PAYMENT_ID. I think you should also consider the decoy list. All decoys will be the same, outputs a zero key, specifically theirs
localmonero.co/blocks/search/35ccad…34ce1591096658f236915943d2e55e43007
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ofrnxmr[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: A cheap**** can of worms
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cockliuser[m]
lol they'll just steg through outputs though
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ofrnxmr[m]
Targeted attacks become expensive
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cockliuser[m]
which is much more harmful to onchain privacy
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Rucknium[m]
xmrfn: Isn't that when a Mordinal is transferred, not when it is created?
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nioc
user-defined tx lock time should be eliminated
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nioc
consensus is now reached
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ofrnxmr[m]
No it isnt
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ofrnxmr[m]
At all
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ofrnxmr[m]
Limiting to 255 etc means I can use 255+steg. Thx for the freebie
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Rucknium[m]
I just checked a Mordinal minting tx. Appears that it doesn't use nonstandard decoy selection. It's the transfer that uses nonstandard decoy selection I think
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monerobull[m]
yeah transfers are supposed to set all the outputs as obvious burns
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monerobull[m]
so the protocol can keep track of who now owns it
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cockliuser[m]
I thought you couldn't burn coins in monero though
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monerobull[m]
why not?
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monerobull[m]
sent em to 000000000000000?
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xmrfn[m]
Rucknium: FML you're right looking a few more seconds I see 10 is literally tx_extra_ordinal_register
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monerobull[m]
s/sent/send/
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cockliuser[m]
that's not a burn though, someone could own a pubkey for that
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monerobull[m]
uhu
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monerobull[m]
sure
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ofrnxmr[m]
Burning bug anyone
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ofrnxmr[m]
This is what kaya means about having too many people commenting in the subject
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nobody RTFM
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Monero gas
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ofrnxmr[m]
Everybody voting with their hearts
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Hearts and minds
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boog900[m]
> <@xmrfn:monero.social> Rucknium: monerobull "10" isn't guaranteed to be a mordinal, that's any TX_EXTRA_NONCE_ENCRYPTED_PAYMENT_ID. I think you should also consider the decoy list. All decoys will be the same, outputs a zero key, specifically theirs
localmonero.co/blocks/search/35ccad…34ce1591096658f236915943d2e55e43007
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boog900[m]
>
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boog900[m]
That tag comes after a TX_EXTRA_NONCE, inside the nonce field I think
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cockliuser[m]
ofrnxmr: if we limit to 1060, mordinals people will make the size limit for mordinals 1060 bytes or make multiple transactions for it
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cockliuser[m]
Because currently they claim to "not try to hurt monero's privacy" lol
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boog900[m]
The TX_EXTRA_TAG_ORDINALS will be its own field
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ofrnxmr[m]
cockliuser[m]: They already are
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ofrnxmr[m]
At 200 bytes
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ofrnxmr[m]
Way ahead of ya
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xmrfn[m]
* Rucknium: monerobull Edit: "10" is a mordinal
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ofrnxmr[m]
1.7kb tx all over your decoys
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ofrnxmr[m]
Wonderful little exclusions
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xmrfn[m]
At least the extremely lo-fi limits the attractiveness, and the limited size minimizes bloat
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ofrnxmr[m]
It doesnt
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ofrnxmr[m]
Morbs is pumping out poisoned outputs every few seconds
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ofrnxmr[m]
Let them 10x their operation
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ofrnxmr[m]
Or release rpc and 100x it
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cockliuser[m]
ofrnxmr: wot @ 200 bytes
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cockliuser[m]
Last one was 1.1kb
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cockliuser[m]
on mordinals.org
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ofrnxmr[m]
By them?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Site down for me
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XMRPriest[m]
<cockliuser[m]> "XMR Priest: sure, but current..." <- We are putting a bandaid on a stab wound, let’s open that can of worms now.. we can’t just keep putting it off
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cockliuser[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Them who 😭 anyone can mint a morbinal
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ofrnxmr[m]
The team who is uploading 99% of them 😭😭😭😭😭
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ofrnxmr[m]
The other ones were minted by US
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ofrnxmr[m]
Lmao
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ofrnxmr[m]
Morbinals never minted a 100kb nft
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ofrnxmr[m]
Or put gifs of chain m
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ofrnxmr[m]
Morbinals website and little server is just a rpi that sends a few transactions every few mins non stop
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cockliuser[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Oh moneropunks.com
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cockliuser[m]
For some weird fucking reason 1k became 1019
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cockliuser[m]
On that website
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yea
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plowsof11
inflation
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xmrfn[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> "Morbinals website and little..." <- Man, it's like they are *forcing* us to hardfork. Do they not understand how they hurt the fungibility of the chain?
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ofrnxmr[m]
We have to hard fork anyway
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ofrnxmr[m]
Might as well do what we can in what is hopefully the last HF before seraphis
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cockliuser[m]
<xmrfn[m]> "Man, it's like they are *forcing..." <- Nah
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XMRPriest[m]
They don’t care, it’s like a virus moving from chain to chain
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XMRPriest[m]
NFT pandemic on monero lol
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cockliuser[m]
20k average tx in day vs 239 average mordinals tx in day
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cockliuser[m]
They aren't impact anonset much
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cockliuser[m]
*impacting
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XMRPriest[m]
Right now…
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XMRPriest[m]
Why assume monero will stay a small project
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XMRPriest[m]
Bitcoin went to 10k transactions within a week in ordinals
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XMRPriest[m]
If monero finally becomes a popular coin could be such a worse outcome, you kill it before it gets to that point
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cockliuser[m]
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cockliuser[m]
And apologies, average mordinals tx per day is 120 something
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cockliuser[m]
So 120 in 20000, not impacting anonset that much lol
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XMRPriest[m]
I worried about the future, glad it’s staying a small
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XMRPriest[m]
I don’t want 120 per day to grow
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cockliuser[m]
It won't blow up because no one cares honestly
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cockliuser[m]
It's transfer function is sending coins to probably "burn" outputs
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cockliuser[m]
And burning coins isn't even possible in monero
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cockliuser[m]
s/It's/Its/
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cockliuser[m]
s/It's/Its/, s/probably/provably/
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cockliuser[m]
Fuxk autocorrect
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Print more monero
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XMRPriest[m]
An attacker wouldn’t care, it’s still a weakness that’s exploitable
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XMRPriest[m]
When someone would want to continuously send them and it wouldn’t cost much
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ofrnxmr[m]
<cockliuser[m]> "They aren't impact anonset much" <- I shall not be tempted, your temptress
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ofrnxmr[m]
Im starting tl think some of you WANT the chain attacked 🥹
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cockliuser[m]
XMRPriest[m]: An attacker would just spam 16 outputs tx'es
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ofrnxmr[m]
🥳
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cockliuser[m]
* An attacker would just spam 16 outputs TXs
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ofrnxmr[m]
And whats stooping then from doing that now
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ofrnxmr[m]
Lmao
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ofrnxmr[m]
Exactly why its not simple remove Txextra
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ofrnxmr[m]
But also tonstandsrdize number if outputs
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ceetee[m]
How much does each byte of TX_extra in every scenario (no limit, 1060bytes limit, 256bytes limit, no txextra)? Did somebody run the numbers?
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ofrnxmr[m]
And a shitload more that was involved over the years that this complicated subject has somehow been boiled down to "tx extra"
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ceetee[m]
* every scenario cost (no limit,
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XMRPriest[m]
I like how the philosophy seems don’t fix a problem that not really a problem now till it’s a problem in the future then we need to fix it
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its even, we know its a problem but because were unpopular its nit a problem.
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ofrnxmr[m]
FJCK THE FED
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ofrnxmr[m]
"Ill pay 625k to anyone who can deaninymize the chain" - fed
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XMRPriest[m]
* problem that’s not
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ofrnxmr[m]
Re the costs. Yeuuh
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ofrnxmr[m]
Over the 2 years the door has been open, dumb attackers are missing our in free lunch
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ofrnxmr[m]
Out on*
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xmrfn[m]
XMR Priest: There is a balance. We should fix things when we understand clearly the problem and the effects of solutions.
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ofrnxmr[m]
We do
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ofrnxmr[m]
xmrfn @xmrfn:monero.social:
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cockliuser[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: tx fees are supposed to prevent Sybil attacks
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xmrfn[m]
and spamming
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ofrnxmr[m]
Speculation/theory/themainstream narrstive kinda sucks
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xmrfn[m]
and deanons that can come from spamming
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ofrnxmr[m]
Reality is a bit different
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XMRPriest[m]
xmrfn[m]: It’s been almost 3 year debate
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xmrfn[m]
Monordinals is a new twist requiring new evaluation of the threat landscape
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ofrnxmr[m]
Itd really not though
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its been long thought out
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ofrnxmr[m]
Morbunals is just nfts for exposure
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xmrfn[m]
Active shooter versus lots of polite armed folks
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ofrnxmr[m]
We had mrl logs on chain months ago
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ofrnxmr[m]
MRL logs on chain wasnt a polite armed folk
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ofrnxmr[m]
Maybe I should open a ccs like was suggested
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ofrnxmr[m]
And see if IRS tries to outbid 🥹
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serrq[m]
Hi everyone, I am not a developer.
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serrq[m]
I plan to leave Android and switch to Manjaro Plasma Mobile (PinePhone Pro) in the next months.
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serrq[m]
Have you idea about I can manage a Monero wallet in that phone?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Thats a good question ^
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cockliuser[m]
> <@serrq:matrix.org> Hi everyone, I am not a developer.... (full message at <
libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…5de88a011324d202bec978fd6e70ece9dc1>)
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cockliuser[m]
Because most GUIs aren't made for small displays
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xmrfn[m]
I was able to use the GUI on Mobian on Pine
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serrq[m]
Monerujo can run on Plasma Mobile?
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cockliuser[m]
serrq[m]: monero-wallet-gui
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xmrfn[m]
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serrq[m]
This run in Manjaro Plasma Mobile?
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xmrfn[m]
I haven't tried on Manjaro so can't vouch, but I think it should
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xmrfn[m]
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cockliuser[m]
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serrq[m]
You are a hero.
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jeffro256[m]
@UkoeHB is the gamma picker off by 2?
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jeffro256[m]
No wait off by 1, my bad
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jeffro256[m]
Because it doesn't take the -(DEFAULT_AGE +1)th rct_offsets into account
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Rucknium[m]
jeffro256: It is you who is off by one...room :P
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jeffro256[m]
lol
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jeffro256[m]
Thanks... I would not have noticed