Breaking monero mini series do explain all that stuff really well

can you link me RavFX

merope: yeah I thought so, but a guy from a different chat told me it matters eitherway

why government against privacy coin isn't it will make corruption easier?

nightowl050[m]: Currently, there isn't one. If you do some digging you will find that some people have done a little bit of work on it, but nothing definitive yet

mlcboss[m]: Yeah, I think most states are going to use privacy coins, they need them

mlcboss[m]: bro thats a stupid question

they can be against privacy coin publicly, but for it privately

and also monero act as a deterrent : gouvs can't ban bitcoin or they will endup with a lot of people on Monero

I wanna give hypotheticals here

Lets say you have $100,000 USD illicit gotten funds, how would you step by step clean the origin of these funds so they appear as "clean" crypto at the end of the process

The funds are in Bitcoin

why localmonero payment method are weird and obscure?

anyone is the same?

nightowl050[m]: Just buy NFT and sell it a few time to yourself?

sure, AFTER the origin is cut off

That's what there for lol

but I am talking about how to cut off the origin in the first place

nightowl050[m]: Asking for a friend? 🤣

no, just for my novel that I am writing

Friendly reminder that this is not the place to discuss illicit stuff

Buy monero directly (p2p)

its a hypothetical

then you can churn if you know how to do it properly

nightowl050[m]: And we are not as dumb as chatgpt

so to weed out that EAE risk (seraphis will fix that)

merope: 💀

RavFX[m]: can you be more elaborate with your response

To churn properly, the trick seam to be just sending (one) output to yourself (two input). so it look like a normal 1:2.

Also you want to do that ideally 1 days to two weeks after you got the coin

nightowl050[m]: moneroguides.org/tutorials/01x04-using-monero-with-enhanced-privacy

There is no approved way of churning but that one seam to be the best, if you have many output you do them one at one, at random time.. DON'T send all the output in one TX

cockliuser[m]: reading gives me diarrhea

> asks how to launder 100k

> can't be bothered to read a guide

RavFX[m]: so basically send from #1 receive wallet to --> #1 churn wallet --> #2 churn wallet --> then send content of #1 & #2 to #3 churn wallet?

you can use a proper wallet and just send to yourself, you don't need more than one wallet

you need one with coin control (like Feather wallet)

coin control is where you can make new addresses right?

go in coin, click on an output, sweep, churn, then you set it to 1:2

you don't need to sent to new address, you can even send it to you're main "4" address

RavFX: stop spoonfeeding this guy, let him "earn" his ill-gained money

merope: 👃 jew behavior

Are you looking for a kick? Because that's how you get kicked from this room

> <@endor00:matrix.org> RavFX: stop spoonfeeding this guy, let him "earn" his ill-gained money

* 🥲

Just joking

RavFX[m]: trying it rn

Yes yes, it's always "just joking" when there's a chance of consequences for shitty behavior

merope: 💀 not that deep

Because it's too fucking hard to behave like a civilized person beforehand

<RavFX[m]> "go in coin, click on an output..." <- Also, isn't the way Feather wallet works extremely specific where people you could potentially identify it much easier that you used coinjoin because of the signatures it leaves behind?

* much easier on the blockchain that you

nop.

And if you coinjoin, everyone will downstream will know that the coin got coinjointed. They even confiscate them in El Salvador from what I understand

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> nop.

>

> And if you coinjoin, everyone will downstream will know that the coin got coinjointed. They even confiscate them in El Salvador from what I understand

interesting

in the end it wouldn't matter if you converted your XMR for a different coin anyways right

just downloaded the feather wallet

looks extremely promising

somewhat similar concept as electrum it seems

+ option to use I2P

Very similar yeah.

And feather also do use tor by default (other than initial sync)

It's not based on any Electrum code from what I read but look side, very similar

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Very similar yeah.

> And feather also do use tor by default (other than initial sync)

when I just opened it, it prompted me with "How should Feather route its network traffic?" and it gave me options to choose between "Tor, i2p, Socks5"

wow its perfect

even has an account manager

let me see if I can figure out how to coinjoin using it

s/coinjoin/churn/

where do I churn

You can't churn nothing...

Have to go!

Feather allows mining? Is it p2pool?

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> You can't churn nothing...

> Have to go!

alright I appreciate your help!

howmanyroadsmust: Feather don't come with P2pool but you can point to to p2pool if you configure you're p2pool address in the pool thing

nightowl050: Messages stay on irc :p

irc?

what is that

new to this chat

Ruh roh

I used to use telegram before this

Somebody is about to learn their first lesson in hiding their tracks in public chatrooms

IRC chat protocol for adult. It's efficient and work just fine on my 29 Y-o 486

but yeah, IRC don'

* IRC don't support "erase"

i.e. don't ask for illegal advice in public chatrooms with logged history

In case of an investigation by any federal entity or similar, I do not have any involvement with this group or with the people in it, I do not know how I am here, probably added by a third party, I do not support any actions by members of this group.

LMFAO

😂

just kidding

Where's the Curb Your Enthusiasm credit sequence when you need it

was just asking hypotheticals, not at all doing anything illegal just obsessed with privacy stuff and researching it

its like a hobby for me

I'm sure Chatgpt will buy it

I just like hinting it sometimes to try to be funny

just like the copy paste message I sent LOL

<nightowl050[m]> "Lets say you have $100,000 USD..." <- impossible

well of course not 100% clean

since there is always some sort of trace

but its possible to get it 99%

My uncle at Nintendo said Powerwashing Simulator is doing a Monero cleaning giveaway. You might get 2x back what you send and your Monero is powerwashed clean! So if you send 100k USD you might get 200k back.. It's probably a bamboozle though. 89vGqHpCNxRVo4WqzurfvwYTyTKr5gjK6dvCaKvMLP9qcxw3qZFHxRrWmchcNM62ze3Lu2UPaTRnW2mCeKeLh7uc8nTEDJH

Funny zyz-doubling scam still work, after all that time. People never learn

Moneroj.net us turning two years now 🎉

<xmrscott[m]> "My uncle at Nintendo said..." <- ETA for funds to arrive>? I sent 30 minutes ago

<nightowl050[m]> "coin control is where you can..." <- Dude you are very slow or a n00000b on crypto. You will get caught doing whatever you are trying to do. you are lazy and don't know what is going on under the hood. RIP

<RavFX[m]> "news.bitcoin.com/reports..." <- Holy shiiiiiiiii, guess that's another place to never visit lol

<nightowl050[m]> "what is that" <- you are so fxxxxd lolololol

go back to your day job wagie

<nightowl050[m]> "was just asking hypotheticals..." <- clearly not. You are lazy and stupid which fits into low IQ criminal category not motivated privacy advocate category. You better be shaking in your boots because the feds will be at your door any moment lol🤡

I usually, don't like to roast people, but that was painful to read lol

i mean

regardless of his intentions

it's not like you suddenly are born with knowledge on every scenario.

making fun of someone new to something for asking questions is like

making fun of a baby for not knowing how to speak

yes, at least he is buyer and is helping grow the size of our market by sending his tendies to a vendor

lol

some of those questions were garbage and not even reading it lol

my point being is that at some point everybody is a stupid empty box of rocks and has to be developed into someone that actually

possesses knowledge and executive function

that guy was stupid and arrogant, obviously a wagie. Luckily he doesn't have to worry about getting arrested, they'd rather have him as a slave paying taxes then in a prison consuming financial ammo of the mafia

he's about 12 so i'd estimate he currently has neither but

yes, so hopefully he gets butthurt reading my messages and acts like his IQ is above 100 in the future lol

he'll get there one day.

<nightowl050[m]> "reading gives me diarrhea" <- nevermind.

lmao

i agree with everything you said before throw him in the trash and burn the can.

that hypothesis makes sense. his attention span and capacity to focus on written text has been eroded by mindlessly consuming tiktok lmao

he's NGMI

for me it's the way he types and behaves

ofrnxmr is my sensei. when I came here i was like the arrogant guy, but I was just stupid not arrogant. Now at least I get how Monero works even if I am a tech retard

as someone who used to be a 12 year old on the internet and someone who occasionally encounters 12 year olds on the internet

maybe he is using xmr to buy a mullvad subscription so he can watch tiktok after it is banned in the us lmao lmao LMAO

he plays fast and loose with things that could get him sent to prison and walks on a knives edge because he doesn't understand how easy it is to get bit

this is abit offtopic so hopefully mr. plowsof and ofrnxmr don't come and lash me for my sins

such as apparently asking to launder money in a public channel under an account probably accessed by his home ip in a homeserver that will hand info to the feds in a heartbeat

fr33_yourself[m]: my guess is he's trying to learn how to card/scam, seems common enough for his age group

he'll get a federal knock at his door one day for saying the wrong thing in the wrong place and then he'll either straighten his act up or go to prison.

an honorable objective, but yeah a delicate subject. best not to be too open about it XD

yeah

i don't blame him though.

being young also means you're really dumb

not carding, but moving money is just that. Laundering is a stupid word used as a psyop on the stupid masses of slaves

when i was around his age i was doing the same shit as him and it should have ended a lot worse for me but i got lucky

carding is taking boomers money. that is unnecessary. Their pensions will go to zero eventually

bike[m]: he's just going to be like this on default until a couple years in the future

or banks, but they will all fail eventually too

fr33_yourself[m]: soon.

carding is pretty hard nowadays if my understanding is correct, but yeah he is definitely in the wrong neck of the woods for that. Mostly seems like feds are probably goading people into trying it then catching them and seizing their assets haha.

carding psyop lol

he probably saw a video about it on tiktok lmao

fr33_yourself[m]: it depends on your approach.

and there are definitely some people who are successful in arenas like that

met them personally.

you just need the right person to show you how to do it/the right guide or else you will fail miserably due to security measures.

yeah i think it's a scam by and large, but hey i can't stop people from expropriating stupid b00mers

the funny thing about scammers/carders/whatever else is that i've noticed they all somehow avoid prosecution when moving so sloppily.

actually any modern day criminal.

they might as well just give the fbi their full home address name and rap sheet atp

yeah i think it's going to get harders soon though. LE is learning the power of USING transparent chains to taint and trace wallets of people they don't like

it's not even that.

nothing to do with the crypto end they're morons there too

im saying stuff like

you see what they did to that james zhong guy? they are starting to smarten up

because that guy actually had pretty decent opsec

actively confessing to your crimes on a public page that anyone can access and look at where you also post your face and location

plus buying bitcoin with your fucking cashapp 💀

what do you think about zhong? surely you heard about him getting busted and brinked right?

a lot of the kids today are crash dummies who can get caught in about two or three steps by even a local police agencies

fr33_yourself[m]: haven't, been busy doing other shit, haven't been online in a second.

i'll look into him

check him out. the dude actually was pretty disciplined. the only problem was he was a simp. probably one of the girls he was paying to play with ratted on him to the glowies

1.5 billion fucking dollars.

there is no amount of incredibly paranoid opsec that would make me think for a second that i wouldn't get caught with that.

I think he could've got away with it. but he would've had to have been so careful. probably do structured movements of btc to xmr via bisq's pair

<Nitro> I always wonder about that

<Nitro> If you get a shit ton of money like how in the hell do you avoid IRS being on your ass?

* money like that how in

hehe i like the sarcasm haha

fr33_yourself[m]: getting the btc to the xmr might not be the issue.

takes time but it's achievable.

it's getting it back out

bridgerton[m]: tony montana it.

<Nitro> I thought maybe you could do it by depositing a certain amount at a certain interval but structured deposits like that is illegal

<Nitro> Exactly how tf would people get away with that

* <Nitro> Exactly but how tf

use some clean money to open some cash businesses.

illegal and enforceable are two seperate concepts

something with fudgable income.

bullshit a whole lot of receipts

re: getting it back out. live like a pauper. frugality is a virtue

rinse wash repeat until your money is clean.

<Nitro> That sounds like a way of getting away with it I suppose

if i get 1.5 billion dollars there's going to be a severe lack of frugality in my life

i plan on dying in my 50s before i turn into some skinbag who needs the shit wiped out of his ass by a nurse in a hospital

bridgerton[m]: yeah but only if you do it correctly

high time preference would lead to quick capture

if you talk too much you might negate all of that hard work because your girlfriend made the executive decision to rat you out.

<Nitro> Lol I think the big thing about getting a shit ton of cash is not tell anyone even if you got legally

and any other amount of small mistakes you can make in the process of laundering billions of dollars in money

women are pretty stupid though. in one ear out the other. they would just smile and nod as long as they are getting paid though lol

dangerous game.

a woman will hear something you're saying

pick up on it

remember it

proceed to use it against you later when you fuck up with her

true, you are a pretty wise individual mr. bike

big respect

<Nitro> Lol

<Nitro> Yeah I definitely see that happening

thanks, you too.

pron and lotion ftw lol

right hand of the forbidden one XD\

shit i need food.

<Nitro> When I got my first job the first thing I did was make a new bank account my mom didn’t have access to

<Nitro> I don’t trust anyone when it comes talking about the money I get

Smart decision.

<Nitro> Thanks

you tell the gov though

.

Pong

binaryFate @binaryFate:libera.chat:

Bridge working. I only see `.` but it looks like that was in fact the 1st msg (?).

is so, looks like the bridge is ok.

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The source code will be uploaded to Codeberg soon. I was able to find a new operator for Bitejo and the VPS is paid until July 15.

> <@anarkiocrypto:halogen.city> "Vendo - Digital Downloads Marketplace" is live: vendo.bitejo.com A KYC-free, Monero-friendly alternative to Gumroad, for ebooks, music, scripts, links, game keys, premium content, etc. Non-custodial (uses TXID and TX key to process payments).

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You can choose "unique codes" and add one gift card code per line.

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<fr33_yourself[m]> "women are pretty stupid though..." <- Nice misogyny out in the wild in a Monero chat.

i always wonder why people open their mouths and shout from the bleachers

misogyny or not - the face is.. siren = stupid so fr33 = braindead retard?

Welcome to interwebz

fr33's insinuation - not mine. im just double checking the math used here

I’d say its called selective hearing. Not being stupid

maybe there should be a bot here that suggest people move the convo to -offtopic

<Siren[m]> "Nice misogyny out in the wild in..." <- this is deffo off-topic but misogyny is a meme. sorry not sorry. i see women calling men peices of shit and scum and that we should kill all white straight men online every day. i don't see a campaign against misandry of feminists.

I think someone should wipe these monkeys off this chat 6

s/6/^/

Stnby[m]: Prime example lol

its ok to be racist to white people and its fine to hate men. but everyone else is a protected class it seems. pretty sad

Read the room title idiot

Stnby[m]: And your calling men monkeys and they should be removed fits into that how?

the absolute embarrassment of the hypocrisy of this argument is hilarious

You should be removed but that's not because your gender.

* your gender is male.

Siren[m]: so you want to remove me for my opinion, ok that seems very fascist

hello

TheDisruptiveCol: Yeah I don't wanna hear it in a Monero cryptocurrency related room.

If I wanted to hear anything like that I'd go on incel forums.

Please someone create a room titled Monero Retard Association and drop those humans there, to not litter this room

Siren[m]: the same could be said for leftist idelogical perspectives being forced on everyone else 😉 process that for a while

Stnby[m]: >resorts to insults, still claims moral high ground and i get kicked 😆

Stnby, she won't fuck you bro. keep simping. you can kick me its fine but its hilarious how you allow one side of an argument to go unhindered but you will remove anyone who highlights their hypocrisy. very cringe chat

how unaware can people be?

too disruptive

😆 They will find place in Crypto Agorism...

oh, it left

<ofrnxmr[m]> "i always wonder why people..." <- a moment of weakness.

i apologize

<fr33_yourself[m]> "that hypothesis makes sense. his..." <- honestly you're not wrong, this is a wake up call need to get my shit together

bike: fr33_yourself send me a private message when you read this, I appreciate the feedback you guys gave me made me realize I'm out of touch with reality

<nioc> "maybe there should be a bot here..." <- After reading today's chat: yes please

Ugh

Ok. Spinning up bots.

People so picky

I tuned into that chat 10 mins after the last msg, and waited to see if it was over. Seemed it was.

my mistake

I contemplated asking "next time use off topic or hell, pools". But then ive been warned and kicked from rooms fir calling spades, spades

<fr33_yourself[m]> "clearly not. You are lazy and..." <- :[

i respect that the mods are benevolent here

but i would be iron booting this chat more often, so never give me mod :]

i mean in general this chat room should be monero. so let's keep it monero

poker game going on at xmr.poker in 20 min

155 us dollaridoos or something like that right now, to the moon 🚀 lfg

buy in 0.2

r4v3r23[m]: is this regular?

> <@r4v3r23:matrix.org> poker game going on at xmr.poker in 20 min

* is this regularly organized?

i didnt know abotu the site, nice

will drop in next time when i load up my hot wallet

<toralien[m]> "is this regular?" <- join @xmrpoker on telegram for updates. we are trying to get regular games going

is moneromarket.io good?

<susman1[m]> "is moneromarket.io good?" <- it depends on the merchant on there, but I had good experience buying stuff on that platform

hello everyone

is the possibility of further restricting transaction inputs and outputs under discussion by devs?

would be cool too see all txs be 2/2 (in/out)

I would think that would pose problems. What about when you need to combine several outputs to cover the price of a purchase? physical equivalent: I have 10 dimes and the item costs $1, yet I can't buy

it would, but you could use workarounds to deal with those problems, example: wallets would automatically combine outputs (via transactions to own address)

i guess it would be another usability/privacy tradeoff

<charuto> "is the possibility of further..." <- No serious discussion imo. The possible advantages are known, but the UX downsides are currently pretty tragic

as it stands there is no input limit and there is a 16 output limit, correct?

yes

i think going to 2/2 any time soon would be a mistake, but gradually decreasing it does seem like an ok idea to me, starting with 10/10 for example

just my 2 cents

does anyone by chance have links to the bulletproofs audits? bp and bp+? if not no problem

fr33_yourself[m]: ostif.org/category/monero some of them might be somewhere here

awesome much appreciated

there is a practical input limit because there is a tx size limit relative to the blocksize

at the current default blocksize of 300 kB this equals 146 inputs

I think it's 146 :)

fair enough

yeah 146 ~98.65kB

> wallets would automatically combine outputs

TBH I like the idea of wallets doing this, and doing so randomly (random rimes/amounts) to slowly aggregate change.

No change needed to the protocol for that. Forcing only 2/2 would still be a PITA if your walet hadn't consolidated your outputs yet

s/rimes/times/

<charuto> "is the possibility of further..." <- yes

<charuto> "i think going to 2/2 any time..." <- 10/10 is waste

you'd go from 2336 different possible in/out configurations to 100.

what else do you propose?

10/10 is a waste

Outs limited to 2 and 16

10 is one of the most inefficient numbers to chose due to the way Bulletproofs(+) works. If anything you'd want 8 or 16 outs

charuto: I propose outs limited to 2 and 16

* except coinbase, ofc?

* ( * ) except coinbase, ofc?

of course yes

Coinbase are (in a pr) already separated

in dis one monero-project/monero #8815

so not limiting inputs?

ofrnxmr[m]: This chart excludes coinbase (coinbase has its own row)

limiting inputs isn

i mean, i think 2 and 16 would be an improvement over what we have but i'd like to see some discussion on limiting inputs as well

s/isn/isnt really feasible w/o ruining UX/

charuto: Inputs - more homework needed.

Non coinbase consolidations areca thing. Merchants shoukd be expected to have to have > 100 inputs to sweep per day.

should those sweeps allow 146 in? Why not 1460 in? Why not 16 in?

inputs are a bloat issue (rings on inputs), but necessary for spender privacy as long as we rely on rings

Why not 1460? Tx size would be 1mb

why not 2 in? Dust / small payments (think: dollar store) hard to consolidate without spamming 2in/2out, which are privacy reducing if this tyoe of transaction stands out as a string of consolidations vs a random spend.

why not 16? more research needed. Maybe 2 and 16 input limit works as well

<politicalweasel[> "limiting inputs isn" <- HardER than outputs

But far from bad UX if it can be done well

In fact, ux becomes much improved if it works.

146 in transactions are shit ux

For everybody

1 tx for 146 inputs vs 146 txs

Merchant gets to dump 100kb on chain in an obvious consolidation

nioc: 10 tx*

(With 16 in)

how do you turn 146 inputs into 1 with 10 txs?

oh 16 in

But for ux it would have to do it automatically.

Even 16 in would would turn 146inputs into 10 inputs, instead of the desired 1

ux already splits up into extra transactions if too big - ... i think?

yes