<ofrnxmr[m]> "Keepass backup is local, so my..." <- Aegis autobackup also can be in local storage. I know because my syncthing has it.

While we're on this topic: Guys make sure to backup your wallet data (manually in monerujo, automatic in stack), so you can restore your TX history if needed

<ceetee[m]> "Aegis autobackup also can be..." <- Yea, but its automatic. Its not "stored" there

Same as monerujo or stack. The backups are that: backups (of internally stored DBs)

keepass isnt a backup, but is the actual password db. ie thr db file isnt stored in appndata, and then backed up. Its stored on publicn storage to begin with

oh, right

<gingeropolous> "best 2Fa app currently?" <- keepasscx password manager on desktop has totp support. handy dandy.

classic keepass has embedded totp support too, though it's kinda hidden: keepass.info/help/base/placeholders.html#otp

comradeblin: Did you have a chance to look at how I might get the date/time of a transaction after we spoke the other day?

<dudeitwasntme> "comradeblin: Did you have a..." <- Ahh, man I completely forgot, I was planning MoneroKon. One sec.

is it a specific tx or the last tx?

You use ablock explorer or check the block info

ofrnxmr[m]: thats one way

Thats 2 ways

**

and the first one is the easiest so dudeitwasntme i suggest u that

get_transfers

get_transfer_by_txid

are methods that both have a "timestamp" you could parse the json if you really want to do it locally

Did you RTFM for me 💚

<comradeblin[m]> "Thats BS, that is what monero is..." <- but a given address would have a name tied to it

right

thats why subadresses were invented

is that not a massive problem?

no, it is not

thats why we use subaddresses

yeah but there is a finite amount of them too

I give you this: 877ftCd5oUmj7V2f52SFvWiThjn3o651k8gjwV1mjNQxitHmZSU9K3XXVLtKMNp6XcXpvGAo7KTxPdQjZ6B1qoPBBJu5ZZs

and I receive the amount on this:

49U61eTsG45T7pppUQECocERLuPQgcQg6KsFizfxMJmyKcwjUWSuS1CFHNVjgEduGv9XqD2dyPidjKVRNrxyCTCE39JM4Fo

nobody is gonna know my address starting with 49U

just the 877ft.

I am not traceable that way, as you can generate unlimited subaddresses

like this:

8BGYee6BrfB4ZuSf5Rg4TFdEfoQ54kE4jhWVyrgP6HGhjom8txnwxspGS1DmCio1P4LJWJgxQiG4PDW2TekpUwGK6EXXwvt

and this:

858TW2UixGFTm7xSkgXVyG4SgtgxQ6UYXfpXxiLZaPo7NueUfRRjPNB262LSBKeUQCN5P1gkdc9mAE4BrEfdYNth3og1DFB

all of them will direct the sent xmr to my 49U61 address

and if you are talking about the receiver site, it is really hard to determine the real transaction, the receiver wont know who sent the money

<comradeblin[m]> "nobody is gonna know my address..." <- Except now you told us 🤣

<susman1[m]> "yeah but there is a finite..." <- Given that we have just shy of 2^256 private keys to choose from, I'd say we don't need to worry about it anytime soon

Where soon = the heat death of the universe

And don't forget that Monero addresses don't show up on the chain

merope: how do you know the rate will stay the same

Because 2^256 ~= 10^77. That's almost as many as the number of atoms in the universe (~10^80). Do the math

The only way to break that would require breaking the cryptographic protocol itself

as soon as numbers get more than 10 digits, people lose sense of scale

Yup

is there an onion instance of xmrchain.net ?

ok, found it here: github.com/moneroexamples/onion-monero-blockchain-explorer

however, the listed onion URL is unreachable

<merope> "Because 2^256 ~= 10^77. That's..." <- not enough what if the entire world is using it lol

you're acting very sus, man :)

merope: just sayin

1) open calculator

2) divide the two numbers

3) figure out if the result is big enough

can't help you with much else

8bn ppl doing multiple transactions a day will def cause that number to seem not as much

(also, addresses can be reused just fine)

Yea

merope: no they can't they will be recorded

<merope> "And don't forget that Monero..." <- ^

k4r4b3y[m] try p2pool.io/explorer - it has onion link, tor browser will pick it up

acting sus part 2

sech1: > <@sech1:libera.chat> k4r4b3y try p2pool.io/explorer - it has onion link, tor browser will pick it up

thanks

Even if 100bn people do 1000000 tx/second each, 10^77 is many many orders of magnitude larger

susman1[m]: like it will show up in the company's db that x addy was used for this purchase

<susman1[m]> "like it will show up in the..." <- The receiver doesn't know the sender's address. Try again

He is trying really hard lmao

very sus

Thanks

I cant see how I pass the wallet address I am interested in to get_transfers, or am I meant to just grab everything and parse it locally?

<comradeblin[m]> "He is trying really hard lmao" <- you can't fucking re use addresses doe

susman1[m]: you can, THOUGH

unless you're receiving on that addreses

s/addreses/address/

there are 10^77 possible addresses, try to use all of them, lol

but learn math first

sech1: not sustainable

learn math

or it's just words until you can prove it

CBDCs = ultimate opsex

get_address_index returns major and minor... is it these values that I pass to get_transfers as account_index and subaddr_indices parameters?

hey SerHack, first I want to say thanks for Mastering Monero

may I ask in which state the second edition is in right now? I hope it's not discontinued, because I think an updated version would be great for new users

Eager to learn about that too

+1 to remove susman

+1 to remove susman

what is susman

a man in this group, who is really sus

and is also called susman

Highlights include "monero mining is bad for the environment" in the markets room

plowsof11: is that factually incorrect?

can i get an invite to the markets room?

A CPU that is powered on is doing damage to the environment if you want to be pedantic. But RandomX uses CPU's , general purpose hardware instead of an ASIC (which become waste when theye not profitable, a cpu can be used to stream videos of cats being cute instead)

Monero Markets

consumerist culture fueled by a targeted exponential inflation rate of >2% is also really bad for the environment

<ceetee[m]> "consumerist culture fueled by..." <- agreed

<luks2[m]> "is that factually incorrect?" <- If you want to get technical about it, yes. It's not the cpu being powered on by itself, it's the energy source. If renewable sources are used, then there's no pollution caused by it

so many people shouldn't own cars

cities shouldnt be built to make people who dont want to use cars at a disadvantage

(and yes, I'm aware that producing the infrastructure and components and materials required for the energy production does generate some pollution, but it's still way less than that caused by sources such as coal, for example)

Is cake ios release only in certain countries? Haven’t seen the latest come up.

What non custodial exchange does everybody prefer? I'm having trouble with agoradesk because the cash by mail people require trusted buyers and the online payment people do kyc and I am not giving my info to a stranger with no legal protections

"trusted buyer" is what?

To me, its a repeat trader.

Yeah

You have to repeat trade

But nobody is willing to accept non repeat trades

I wont deal with you first time in large amounts etc.

So its impossible to get started

Blame scammers

Either you prove youre not a pos, or you go elsewhere

what payment method are you trying to use?

for online payment

ofrnxmr[m]: How can I prove that

If nobody will trade with somebody who has no history

naphtha[m]: Zelle/cashapp/wire

Basically i dont require kyc. I just require trade #2 details match trade #1. Same name on transfer, same return address or handwritibg on envelope etc

youre being asked for kyc for cashapp? im not american but ive heard its very hard to chargeback with cashapp

if not impossible

naphtha[m]: Yeah

generally if you use payment methods that cant be reversed you wont be asked for kyc

❕ EVERYTHING U WANT IS CLOSER THAN U THINK... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…4cd0a77f46c15650516017df77cb500983a>)

Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk:

sigh

Yo litty. #XMRorDIE

ofrnxmr[m]: Xmr is acceptable too buddy

Bnb n trc

Jump off a bridge, shitcoiner

litty[m]: > <@litty:matrix.org> ❕ EVERYTHING U WANT IS CLOSER THAN U THINK... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…8a080dfbd776a2f8d9dc09a492d0de31d32>)

"too".

no. Xmr us the only option

You scammers are trash 🚮

im coolin wit my youngins... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…bcaf27a36bd0616aea0d9a7c23551520e56>)

So

Does anybody have other platform recommendations

Or.....

ive never bought xmr only sold but i heard the easiest way really is to just use a kyc exchange to buy ltc or btc or whatever

and exchange that for xmr

naphtha[m]: How do you acquire?

naphtha[m]: You know of an easy non custodial btc ex?

Popcorn[m]: trocador (?)

naphtha[m]: Doesn't accept fiat

oh you mean from fiat

no not really

thats why i said to use an exchange that does kyc

naphtha[m]: But which kyc exchanges are non custodial

I dont like kyc but I will do it if I have to

Point is I need it to be non custodial

And I can't find one, which was the whole purpose of my first qurstion

ngl i want to buy me some xmr but no one sells it in my area for fiat

So I'll ask again, does anybody know of a non custodial centralized exchange?

tbh i dont think there is one

all non custodial exchanges i know of are crypto to crypto only

Localmonero (if you're location allow)

he was just saying earlier that localmonero traders ask him for kyc

which is strange

RavFX[m]: Not centralized

Popcorn[m]: most exchanges are not

But you could use basic swap or maybe some atomic stuff

but i remember seeing some traders that ask for kyc through a platform

not directly to them

so you trust the platform with your docuuments instead of the trader which is better i guess

Usually it's for unsafe methods

like scampal

seller have to KYC to filter some of the scammers

depending on how much you're trying to exchange you could set up an ad

on localmonero

RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> most exchanges are not

> But you could use basic swap or maybe some atomic stuff

Not fiat

Can make a lot of money doing maker too indeed. Depending of your location

Popcorn[m]: Yeah, for that there is only Bisk and soon:tm: Haveno afaik

what if instead of a bitcoin ATM, a monero swapper

basically two machines, as an example, in a city

or probably more

suitslie[m]: Nice target, but would be nice.

more options

and then you go two, other person goes to other, and escrowed exchange

have to setup some contracts things online to plan the meetup

or is some deaddrop method mathematically feasibly secure?

at that point just make it so the buyer give you a code, then as the seller, you go to said monero atm to get the money

the problem is received that damn cash in hand

s/received/receiving/

Can't really do at the place on where the state is hostile.

yeah also i guess all should be considered hostile... in that certain sense

maybe there is some three person method where the third person is incentivizied via fee

suitslie[m]: You also need to have enough volume to motivate the players at that point.

how was that one arabic thing

But we have internet, and people are lazy

Just don't use the fiats, would be the best way :)

but look like the mass is still not ready

agreed 👍

mass won't be ready till life fucks them

then they'll see its not about winning its about not getting fucked

monero island when?

something like epstein's island

but based

wait for global warming

slowly

2 more weeks

trust me guys global warming will destroy earth

i heard the center of the earth has a giant monero logo

earth core is actually a bitcoin miner

sad!

I don't get global warming denialists. Now i don't keep records but it feels like summer is always pretty hot

yes me neither

monerobull[m]: We just get the warmest decade in record, every decades

I like beating records!

naphtha[m]: >implying that Epstein island wasn- never mind

increased avg temperatures correlate with mating activity ;)

positively

RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> We just get the warmest decade in record, every decades

> I like beating records!

It's a sign of progress if you have the heatwave of the century every year

Efficiency gains

The problem with climate change is that people try to take advantage of it. (Like in anything)

s/anything/everything/

There deniers who think that "people" created it to take advantage of it

And there people who know that it's real but that people still want to take advantage of it.

the problem is that people rave on about retarded shit that they will NEVER be able to change

i say it's a coping mechanism to run from their own personal problems

True

Germany is 2% of global emissions

Why the FUCK do i have to use the trash ass paper straw

monerobull[m]: does Germany still buy cold electricity from other countries.

coal*

paper straws are BASED though

avoiding plastic in general is

naphtha[m]: FUCK YOU

not because of muh global warming

Paper straws are add

but because plastic is shit in general

s/add/ass/

If I remember, USA and Canada are the worst offender (par prorata)

monerobull[m]: depends which ones you get

get some thick ones

Yet they complain about china 😂

Sure plastic is shit but the point in a drink in plastic with a paper straw wrapped in plastic is obviously just pandering

maybe

still

plastic is le cringe

Whole having exported most of there production there...

And still be the worst par prorata

and i avoid touching it whenever i can

RavFX[m]: China manufacturing is le based

There is many type of plastic too, a LOT. Some or worst than other.

RavFX[m]: true

I needed rubber bands for stickers. On Amazon 200 are EIGHT EUROS. on a Chinese website it's 1.5€

China get more efficient too.

Order 3-4 things on aliexpress... see how sometime they all endup on the same package before leaving china

And they SHIPPED WITHIN A WEEK straight from china

fun fact china has free shipping because first world countries pay for it

monerobull[m]: And some countries receive there aliexpress stuff, after aobut 2 weeks...

since they call themselves a developing nation

RavFX[m]: That's what I said

so when you buy something from aliexpress or whatever with free shipping its not really free you paid for it with taxes

hypothetically

if you had any taxable income

I got rubber bands from china in the same time from China and 7 times cheaper than from Amazon and i have a Amazon distribution center within a 5 minute drive

Now i wouldn't buy electronics from china

But something like rubber bands? There's nothing that can go wrong

Ordering from china is often cheaper than walking then getting it lol

monerobull[m]: Why is that?

Too much fakery? If you buy a 1 TB SD card from temur.com it will most likely be 64gb and delete any data above 64 gb

Ah yeah, use you're brain lol.

There is good electronics and fake stuff

Can't do much fakery on rubber bands outside from straight up shipping the wrong product

Oh it's temu.com

I can vouch for their rubber bands 😂

I use random usbs on the ground ;) stuxnet !!

They don't even need that anymore

They just exfiltrate your cryptographic keys based on your powerbill