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<TrasherDK[m]> "monerobull: monero.town..." <- ?

Did you create an account on town before or was that perhaps still on .house ?

monerobull: On .town

weird, cant find an application for TrasherDK

When did you sign up?

Jun 15, 2023Jun 15, 2023

Hm can't find the application :|

It also shouldn't have been lost during some upgrade since plenty of people registered on the same day show up and are actively using the site

Got censored ! 

Kek

Sorry I can't help more with this, I'd say make a new account :/

Did a new signup - TrasherDK

please tick box to prove you not a bot ⏹️

<TrasherDK[m]> "Did a new signup - TrasherDK" <- approves

> <@trasherdk:monero.social> Did a new signup - TrasherDK

* approved

<DanrdarkIsnotthe> "please tick box to prove you not..." <- captcha is gone with new lemmy version 😭

monerobull: And I'm in 👍️

Uploading Avatar: SyntaxError: JSON.parse: unexpected character at line 1 column 1 of the JSON data Not quite there yet 😬

image too big?

needs to be sub 1 mb

TrasherDK:

monerobull: 23Kb

Hm

Ah

Select a language when editing your profile. Best is "undetermined" when holding control you can also select multiple.

TrasherDK:

Undetermined and English is selected. I'm pretty sure my .png is in no particular language 😇

<monerobull[m]> "captcha is gone with new lemmy..." <- good, fuck captchas!~

If I run a monero node on the same device as a bitcoin node, can the monero node be deanonymized by the bitcoin node?

TrasherDK[m]: So still doesn't work?

Like, edit profile, upload pic, select language, save

I tried with a 10KB image. Same error.

Restarted containers, try again

Also, try converting to PNG before upload and see if that works

It's working now. They were .png always.

Alright

New Foss software am I right

Docker is crap.

operator error

<TrasherDK[m]> "Docker is crap." <- +1

use the nixos yough luke skywalkerrr

Docker is nice

Podman, too

donations from reiya.io have been sent to relay operators yesterday

🫡

are there and publicly posted monero addresses of from the relay operators with payment proofs posted?

reiya.io/enroll interesting

plowsof11: i'm working on an update for the transactions page that will show every transaction in detail along with the txid

but for now the view key and key images are public

payment proofs are the missing link to prove that payments have been made to a specific address (the audit will only prove that funds where received and sent 'out')

i could be wrong though?

a feature request, but the enrolling (simply putting an xmr address in the torrc contact info is very simple, nice)

i like the OutProofs of feather wallet docs.featherwallet.org/guides/verify-tx-proof

don't the key images have the destination address embedded?

i do not know, (i assumed not) checking with the GF wallet reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11fslu…fund_transparency_report_march_2023

wow

1.3 million euro in the gf wallete

s/wallete/wallet/

You could post the TXID and TX key (TX proof/secret key) for each transaction and users could verify it here: xmrchain.net (Enter TXID, click "Prove sending" and enter the node operator's address and the TX key.) Then users don't need to sync a view-only wallet or deal with key images.

<naphtha[m]> "donations from reiya.io have..." <- didn't get any money 🤔

oh onion relays are not monero

mb

i think you need wownero in your life then (wownero node operators can put their donation address in the get_info page)

ignore^ my wownero nodes have fell behind / network split again

<naphtha[m]> "1.3 million euro in the gf..." <- yes but like if you think about it it's not that much when it comes to dev work, as an example

if you want to fund some projects, many of those seem to be in 6 figure range for a period of under half a year usually (which is a liberal bound), so you can calculate how many months for how many devs that it is, it is not a lot

furthermore, if you check the post you will see that one donator specifically sent money such that the domain monero.org is acquired, and there was no agreement on this so he might just ask for a refund

or sorry

monero.com

<anarkiocrypt> "You could post the TXID and TX..." <- thanks, will do. btw, someone linked your article proposing the same exact idea in the first reddit thread i made, what do you think of reiya? do you think anything could be improved?

<suitslie[m]> "yes but like if you think..." <- > <@suitslie:hackliberty.org> yes but like if you think about it it's not that much when it comes to dev work, as an example... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…128bd9dd102cc0e562c233891135fd07cdd>)

naphtha[m]: im just saying what the thread said

I dont do refunds

does anyone know monerobull's main?

what

ah

i bought a plushie from monerosupplies

and i havent received anything on my mail yet

just wanted to make sure you got the order

today?

yeah

ive seen someone order one yeah

will ship it later today

alright man thanks

Thank you for ordering a plushie <3

also dont you need my phone number for delivery?

since youre shipping via dhl

do i?

i've had a german friend send me something before and it arrived throuugh a courier

not the post

ive had basically all delivered without a phone number so far

ah alright then

they'll probably know who to call anyways since i've had things shipped before

> what do you think of reiya? do you think anything could be improved?

It looks perfect to me. I like how you scraped the donation addresses from the ContactInfo field. It's efficient, a good way to verify that the node is theirs, and bootstraps the pool of participating nodes.

A future suggestion may be a bounty for home nodes vs. nodes in over-saturated data centers (Hetzner, DigitalOcean, etc., you can check if the node IP resolves to a known data center), and a bounty for exit nodes vs. relay nodes. Maybe exit nodes could receive +25% extra.

It seems like marketing is often the most difficult part for a project, but there are already some donations, which is good to see. Maybe you could post it in /r/tor, #anonymity:matrix.anonymousplanet.org, Dread, etc.

yes i'm planning to add a traffic multiplier to residential IPs and exit nodes

i posted in r/tor and got called an idiot

and a scammer

* a scammer by someone from the tor project

this guy tried to remove my post in r/monero too

Sad to hear... I am used to mainstream subreddits calling anything related to crypto a "scam" (and saying "why can't you use banking instead" even though I have no access to banking) but surprising to hear it from the Tor Project. Hopefully it isn't going the same way as Wikipedia (meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_fo…_accepting_cryptocurrency_donations) and Mozilla...

Dread is mainly script kiddies, teenagers who want fake ID to buy alcohol, and college students who want to buy weed, but maybe there would be some people who would appreciate Reiya. I don't know Dread's exact URL, but you could find it here: dark.fail

Will look at the thread. It seems libreddit.de doesn't work for me anymore, but libreddit.hu works.

anarkiocrypto[m]: Wtf are these supporting arguments on that wikipedia request? People wanna get fucked over and oppressed this much. Crazy.

my damn internet went down so i havee to resend my mesesages

anarkiocrypto[m]: dread's main mirror is basically always down but you can get your own dread onion from bohemia

it's really sad how the tor project reacted

like i said in my thread on r/monero they receive millions a year from the us government

and so far have done pretty much nothing in helping the relay operators

"crankyoldtekhead" has similar views as (often Western) citizens who have access to banking and don't "need" crypto... It is strange when this comes from liberals/progressives, who claim to support equality and inclusion, but are actively sabotaging unbanked and undocumented people (as well as people who urgently need privacy, such as activists and victims of abuse), by taking away the one online payment method that doesn't require gove

by mail is rarely accepted, cash deposits and money orders require ID in the EU, prepaid Visa cards aren't sold in the EU anymore, so there is literally no alternative for online payments).

other than listing the organizations hosting relays somewhere hidden deep in their website

Fortunately the Tor network is still decentralized, so anyone can run a relay or receive Monero donations. Although there was a strange case where the Tor project required a video call from someone who was generously operating many relays...

libreddit.hu/r/TOR/comments/v8nmdp/…ly_100_servers_blocked_for_refusing It was not government ID KYC, but video calls are also dangerous and deanonymizing, especially for operators who may be taking a risk by operating their nodes...

anarkiocrypto[m]: lol

thats sad

i mean im sure they have their reasons, sybil attacks are a thing and all but that's an extremely retarded way of dealing with things

anarkiocrypto[m]: It's kinda centralized here metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/flag:authority

There are many other ways to trust people, rather than doxxing their appearance, voice and location. Anonymity can save lives. It allows free speech, without a risk of physical violence or imprisonment. Doxxing your appearance destroys this defense.

I miss when the internet was just usernames/avatars/words on a screen, with no one demanding to know your real life appearance, voice or location. People were judged on their words and character alone. It was even encouraged to invent a username, rather than post all details of your private life online, for everyone and anyone to see.

<anarkiocrypto[m]> ""crankyoldtekhead" has similar..." <- It is because deep down liberals/progressive dont care. They just want to be seen as helping the people that are low in the oppression hierarchy so they can get political power. They dont want to solve the actual problems, because that would mean they would lose their savior role. That is their source of identity and power so they can never give that up. Effective altruism is a

similar thing but turned up to the max.

<spirobel[m]> "It is because deep down liberals..." <- It's not about politics. It all boils down to how educated people are.

<anarkiocrypto[m]> "I miss when the internet was..." <- you're kinda preaching to the choir here

or whatever the saying was

we're all mostly pseudonymous here

Siren[m]: but it is about politics, i've seen this mostly in people with higher education

education has nothing to do with how good of a person you are

naphtha[m]: Education not as in academics. As in how well do you know about the current financial system we live in.

Many people don't experience oppression by it

you're right in this case but i think his point was about the virtue signaling "progressives" LOOOVE to do

Siren[m]: They simply don't know what can possibly happen to them

<Siren[m]> "It's kinda centralized here..." <- right, tor is not really decentralized as the tor project has the authority to block any relay from ever being used

Yep exactly

tor could be made even better

just take the control away from the tor project

the tools they use for finding sybils are public

the code is public

the data is public

> we're all mostly pseudonymous here

I agree mostly, but it seems like even in privacy communities, there is an emphasis on voice chat/podcasts. If you can't fake a generic American/British accent (sadly I can't), voice chat can doxx your location, as well as allow people who know you in real life to identify you as the podcast guest. In addition, I have never lived in an apartment with soundproofing. Neighbors could clearly hear what you are saying. Whereas text chat has

Maybe it would be necessary in the future to fork Tor and build up an alternative network of nodes. Monero donations could help a lot as an incentive. But this is a large and potentially difficult project

anarkiocrypto[m]: > <@anarkiocrypto:matrix.org> > we're all mostly pseudonymous here... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…441f1cf893bfea6e18e972d8a8ca9b5f18d>)

anarkiocrypto[m]: > <@anarkiocrypto:matrix.org> > we're all mostly pseudonymous here... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…165c322e6fad905bb0015662868c9262e54>)

with ai tts

of course, ran locally

Monero voicechat but we all use espeak

i imagine a future where voice calls are all transcribed into text and transmitted that way

Neighbors don't hear your text messages, if you write in English long enough you eventually sound closer to a native speaker (in my experience), and people who know you in real life can't coincidentally listen to the podcast and think "I know this guy". Text also doesn't doxx your age or gender (in English anyway). As it is sadly illegal for me to be alive, there is more risk in my case, than someone who e.g. writes guides on how to ins

with tts on the client side

the compression ratio would be insane

anarkiocrypto[m]: is it illegal to not have id? who will they charge? lol

naphtha[m]: You don't have rights if you're stateless

<Siren[m]> "Many people don't experience..." <- they can clearly see the oppression. But they dont want actual solutions. They want to be seen as the saviors. That is how status games work in progressive circles. There is a competition on who can find the most oppressed person and be seen as helping them. I doubt there is any way to "educate them". The only chance to change the negative reaction these circles have to crypto is to make it

so crypto becomes embedded in these status games. Like: organize a fundraiser for the oppressed with crypto to raise your social status among your progressive peers.

It's a horrible situation to be in

you also don't have obligations

get a gun 👍️

spirobel[m]: the last thing i want is for those people to infiltrate monero

no thanks

It is considered as "illegal immigration" if you don't have a passport and visa. And the state imprisons people without ID indefinitely, as it is impossible to "prove their identity". More info here: index.statelessness.eu especially under "Detention". It is less about lacking the physical plastic card, but more about lacking the database entry. If you just don't have the card, the state can search for your name/photo/fingerprin

and see your entry. If you don't have an entry, you are detained.

naphtha[m]: they're all lazy as shit and would contribute nothing, only making the community toxic and larping as le ebin communists

anarkiocrypto[m]: damn

did you never run into a cop asking you for id?

The worst part is that it is based on your circumstances of birth, not your actions as an adult. There is no way to register yourself as an adult. I tried to register at the town hall age 18, tried to work with a lawyer, talked to organizations. There is no real route. NGOs talk about it but do nothing.

the more i think about it the more i realize how much it sucks

you cant travel either right?

Fortunately I was never in an ID control. I stayed inside during the 2x 6 week corona lockdowns because cops were making ID controls to everyone who was walking in the street. Fortunately my friend eventually got groceries for me 2x during the 6 weeks. I couldn't get food delivery due to no credit card. But even this is a utopia and freedom, compared to the abuse that I escaped from age 18 (unrelated to the ID issue). My only regret is

runaway as a minor. So my perspective is skewed by 18 years of hell, that even living as an "eternal fugitive" is peace and freedom in comparison.

i get that

obviously havent experienced it to the same degree but i can say i understand

> Monero voicechat but we all use espeak

My presentations here all use text-to-speech: tube.tchncs.de/c/anarkio/videos but it would be laggy in real-time. A few years ago, I coded a Python script to pipe TTS to a virtual microphone for use in a voice call that in the end, I didn't need to participate in.

<spirobel[m]> "they can clearly see the..." <- I disagree with this. Often people aren't smart or emphatetic enough to realize what they're seeing is oppression. Or they don't have people that are oppressed in this way in their circles. These people can absolutely be educated.

<anarkiocrypto[m]> "Maybe it would be necessary in..." <- i am heavily pro a monero technology based PoW tor network

or any other system

or not PoW, probably doesn't make sense, maybe tor nodes should just requires fees for handling your network traffic and you need to pay this via monero

but the problem is sending continuous payment streams?

this exists

i think thee oxen network does this

also theres something that i think is based on monero called nym

unfortunately

they both suck

yes see that is the thing

in the meantime

my project indirectly donates to relay operators

which is kinda the same thing but not as foolproof or secure

as it's not decentralized and i could always exit scam if i wanted to

another layer on top of the tor network should be developed that would allow tor relays to possibly handle priority traffic for payments in XMR

but payment streams are a problem still in my opinion

suitslie[m]: i think having every relay know who you are is dangerous

It would be difficult for me to spend $10~/month to use Tor, but I need to use Tor for free speech reasons and to safely connect in order to earn money online. I was lucky to earn $100 last month, couldn't earn anything the previous month, and this month I don't know if I will be able to earn anything, but hopefully. I have one paid project but sadly I am taking a long time to complete it, and even then I don't know if it would meet the

A donation model for Tor is more inclusive, especially as it is difficult in many places to buy crypto with KYC-free crypto ATMs, cash by mail or cash in person, due to low liquidity.

naphtha[m]: i mean, i don't **think** it is, it IS dangerous. even if it didn't have an unique identifier, only a way to find if you paid or not, it would be a way to identify and deanonymize you

so yes, a donation model is better

The people who truly need Tor (activists, victims of abuse, people in oppressive countries, marginalized people) are unlikely to have a lot of money. Sadly the greater the adversity you experience, the greater likelihood of poverty and struggling to survive...

s/identify/fingerprint/

Although there should be some extra marketing. Many people don't even know that there is a way to donate to relays. They only see the Tor project's donation address, which doesn't go toward existing or new relays.

i'll do some marketing work after i finish the transactions page update where you can check the txid and key for every transaction

but i won't be mad if anyone wants to help me with the marketing 😸

<Siren[m]> "I disagree with this. Often..." <- maybe it is possible. I bet if you went to a progressive event in Berlin for example and gave a speech for how Monero can be used to help the oppressed it would work. But there needs to be some call to action like: do a fundraiser with Monero. Otherwise they will forget about it the next week.

<spirobel[m]> "maybe it is possible. I bet if..." <- MoneroKon is a good example that worked. Or you know get them a flatmate that works at a bank, or even better someone from Iran.

Siren[m]: essentially if we summarize all of this under publicity stuns, there should be some generic, not too complex, possibly even incentivized type of publicity stunt which should be developed, which can then simply be replicated across areas

not just talking of publicity stunts, but any extrapolation of the "pay me a coffee i'll pay you back in XMR" as an example, or something else

the best way to grow monero is to offer services or products that are exclusively paid in xmr

<Siren[m]> "MoneroKon is a good example that..." <- it needs to be connected to some narrative that is le current thing in their circle. Like for example: erdogan beats poor lgbtqxyz protesters. Make a monero fundraiser to save them. That is just a very crude example, but something that would totally work.

spirobel[m]: see this is too specific

only insane people like everyone here will want to use a coin that has no obvious use

naphtha[m]: looking for something which is between this and social events, do you understand?

asking in a good way

i'm just afraid you're wasting your time

suitslie[m]: it needs to be specific so it can become part of the narrative and the collective conciousness of a certain group.

spirobel[m]: yes talking in gradients here. it is a trade off.

monero is anti censorship. these people aren't anti censorship no matter how much they try to appear as such

it's a waste of time to pander to these groups

suitslie[m]: pay me for coffee is not very sticky. next week they will use venmo or paypal or just cash to settle the bills ...

pay in XMR EV charger?

and you set up solar panels to charge the thing

some strong battery

naphtha[m]: you dont need to be ideologically pure to use cash. Everyone uses cash. The commies use cash. The internet nazis use cash. Everyone uses cash. Cash is neutral

yeah as much as it seems naphtha is on point with this topic. But I will add, monero will more and more prove it's worth when things go to shit, that is what crypto is made for anyways

spirobel[m]: Not at all. It usually ticks in their heads when they understand that they don't own what they place in the bank anymore.

Not everyone cares about X dictator, but everyone cares about money.

so quite inadvertently it's going to have to be the "before it gets better it's gonna have to get a lot worse"

Siren[m]: Or when they get in trouble with tax or migration authorities

spirobel[m]: pretty much no one gets paid in cash anymore. internet banking isn't neutral, and that's why these groups like it. remember alex jones? remember canadian truckers? remember kanye?

remember how happy they were when they got their bank accounts frozen?

Siren[m]: Or when they grow out of their free student bank plan and they get told to pay or fuck off.

Siren[m]: I know so many people who went bankless and full crypto at this stage.

Siren[m]: are those the usdt holder types or diversified / xmr holder types

or btc or something else

suitslie[m]: Usually diversified. One of them did the mistake of using his main ETH wallet (where he also receives his salary) for tornado cash and now he gets refused by every single exchange lol.

Should have used monero from the start.

whats tornado cash again?

i think i know them

Siren[m]: funny thing is they might have been dusted too

naphtha[m]: privacy mixer, only one on ethereum

naphtha[m]: privacy mixer, besides railgun, largest one on ethereum

specifically immutably deployed contracts,

> looking for something which is between this and social events, do you understand?

I had some ideas about this, related to Bitejo, but don't have the social skills nor network for this. Essentially it would be nice to have crypto "garage sales" e.g. once a month, which would take place e.g. in Bitejo or a Matrix room or a Telegram group, as well as crypto meetups having their own "garage sales" in real life at the meetup venue or renting a stand at a local market. People bring things they don't need anymore (old phone

etc.) or things that they made (food, art, products from their business) and sell it for crypto.

the "backend"

oh man

* oh man, that reply messed it up

* deployed contracts, there is a service layer on top but the "backend" is disconnected from it

* for crypto. It would help people learn about crypto as a payment method, connect buyers and sellers, etc.

<suitslie[m]> "privacy mixer, besides railgun..." <- i think they're on kyun now

lol

🫡

<naphtha[m]> "i think they're on kyun now" <- wdym, the app is hosted on VPS instances? their relayers are running from there?

i don't know what's hosted on kyun as they use cloudflare and i don't look at vms

but i received an email from what i assume was them

about an issue

hmm ok

<naphtha[m]> "i don't know what's hosted on..." <- Dumb question but how does cloudfare prevent you from know what's running on the boxes?

cloudflare does mitm

it's a reverse proxy

the client goes to cloudflare's ip and cloudflare proxies whatever is on the target server back to the client

Ya but you should be able find ips for boxes

Ah I guess they could only allow traffic to and from cloudfare

Got it

Yeah

yeah

if you lookup a domain that's proxied through cloudflare all you'll get back is cloudflare's ip

also, fuck cloudflare

Any alternative suggestions?

just don't use cloudflare

use your actual server ip

I mean I agree

if you NEED ddos protection, as in, it has happened before, rent a vps in a ddos protected datacenter

and use a WAF

if you're REALLY getting ddosed, you can also use a captcha system

like what kiwifarms implemented with kiwiflare

when they got banned by cloudflare

I mean I do like the idea of having one vps public facing and maybe another that's using wireguard or whatever that actually runs apps

yes

you would be using caddy/nginx/apache/whatever on the public facing vps

as a reverse proxy to your other private vps

Yeah and that one can filter out traffic

No host header kinda stuff etc

yes

cloudflare is the biggest datamining operation

Oh for sure

they have all of your data

Crypto AG style

even if you use ssl

they have to break ssl

or, rather, they need access to the unencrypted data

I mean they're on all the certs. At that point it doesn't even matter lol

what do you mean they're on all the certs

Are they not also authorities?

yeah they are a cert authority

but they don't have access to certs that aren't on their CA

Just curious why do they have to break that then?

they don't break it, i wrote that wrong. what matters is that they have access to all data that goes through them, unencrypted

passwords, private user data, everything

Ah yeah okay, I agree

So for cloudfare ddos protection or whatever, you're sending your data to them, encrypted. They forward that to whoever encrypted as well. Just literal mitm at that point is what you're saying

yes

Two separate handshakes 🤝

when you're sending data to them it's only encrypted in transit and decrypted by cloudflare

Yeah, I'm following you now

That's why you need that layer 4/5 encryption 😆

Is there any pre-built nice docker image for public facing vps + nginx? naphtha:

im not sure

i just use caddy

its really nice

Pretty neat to have something with nginx/caddy, fail2ban, wireguard ready to go

Though I haven't used caddy yet

Me and all my homies use Rust not go

both larps

use typescript, the aryan language

Imagine using a reverse proxy backdoored by Google

Seesh

scragglez[m]: so true

rust / crabthusiasts -> #cuprate:monero.social

cuprate is a great idea i know one of the devs

it just needs a loooot more work

<plowsof11> "rust / crabthusiasts -> #cuprate..." <- It's Rustaceans, tyvm

rust-ACK!

test

Any Python web developers around? I'm hiring a back-end or full-stack developer for a project involving Monero. $55 - $65/hour based on experience (can be paid in Monero).

Is there any more appealing way to add monero to my contributions? NixOS/nixpkgs #241360

e.g. allowing people to pay with credit card and i guess instructions on how to use fixedfloat