<k​arano:poddery.com> i get this error often

<k​arano:poddery.com> what os are you using ?

<k​arano:poddery.com> do you stary monerod from cli now ?

Looking at miningpoolstats.stream/monero, it looks like hashvault.pro's spike is already over again? Didn't take long.

<h​00:feds.punked.us> MacOS

<h​00:feds.punked.us> yeah monerod + p2pool + xmrig

<system> file image.png too big to download (1075070 > allowed size: 1000000)

<h​00:feds.punked.us> image.png

<h​00:feds.punked.us> Also what does the `verified = 0` part mean

<k​arano:poddery.com> ohh ok

<k​arano:poddery.com> i do pretry much same

<k​arano:poddery.com> but on windows

<k​arano:poddery.com> idk , but it seems to work properly.

<h​00:feds.punked.us> Yes I even found a block a little bit ago, but I'm just trying to understand more how the process works

<h​00:feds.punked.us> My node is recognizing new blocks are being added to the blockchain, but just not verifying this? Since its p2pool is it kind of just logging that the pool says a new blocks been added?

verified = 0 means it hasn't been verified (yet)

next line in the log should be "verified block ..."

<h​00:feds.punked.us> Hm hasn't been so far will go over my flags

maybe you're still synchronizing

<k​arano:poddery.com> i am getting the same logs

<k​arano:poddery.com> how do i make a bat file for starting these 3 together

<r​ootkit.lol:matrix.org> ```

<r​ootkit.lol:matrix.org> WARNING Verify that the payment has a sane unlock_time otherwise the funds might be inaccessible

<r​ootkit.lol:matrix.org> ```

<r​ootkit.lol:matrix.org> What is a "sane" unlock_time? 100?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> 10 blocks?

Depends when you want to get the monero. It's the number of blocks (or a height, I forget). show_transfer TXID should tell you the number of blocks an output will be locked.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> It can also be a timestamp, right?

Typically, there is no lock, so it defaults to 10 blocks. Any lock is odd, but 720 blocks is about a day, so no biggie. Depends on what you think is sane.

Yes.

UNIX timestamp, so seconds since the epoch. Rarer still.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Thanks

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/unlocktime.html

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Here's some documentation

<r​ootkit.lol:matrix.org> So to verify a payment, should transaction.confirmations >= transaction.unlock_time be enough?

No.

<r​ootkit.lol:matrix.org> What is missing?

IIRC github.com/tippero/tippero handles this if you want an example.

<r​ootkit.lol:matrix.org> Thank you, I'll check the code

Well, the fact it can be a timestamp as recanman reminded me, and the fact it is a height IIRC, rather tha number of blocks (but again, not sure).

Also, beware integer overdlows :)

<r​ootkit.lol:matrix.org> Thanks, Im using rust and doing checked adds and subs when needed

<r​ootkit.lol:matrix.org> confirmations >= u64::max(transaction.unlock_time, 10)

<r​ootkit.lol:matrix.org> This is how I'll be doing the "confirmation" thing atm, paid amount is already being checked, just wanted to make sure the funds are spemdable OR there aren't going to be any double spends, or if they are the money is already confirmed

The doc link above says the block unlock times are heights, not deltas.

Isthmus has shown strange unlock_time values on chain. I think most people assume "if input 3 then it will unlock in 3 blocks from when i broadcastbthe tx"

Or used as free bits for signalling.

Indeed, not deltas. Oh didnt think about that

<k​arano:poddery.com> what is the difference between shares "found" and shares "accepted".

<k​arano:poddery.com> And what counts for pplns ?

<k​arano:poddery.com> i am using mini p2pool

<e​dge7:matrix.org> Not 100% sure but accepted might mean that the submittion had been accepted as valid and the miner started processing it. Found when the nonce has been found by the miner

"accepted" is shown in xmrig, it has lower difficulty than the actual "found" share. Only "found" shares count, "accepted" are just to keep track of your rigs' hashrate

<e​dge7:matrix.org> I

<k​arano:poddery.com> ohh okay

<k​arano:poddery.com> does this apply for all pools ?

"accepted" applies for all pools, "share found" you can only see in p2pool window

<k​arano:poddery.com> ohh

moneromooo, pastebin.com/EaE4yFHs

Mochi101: what node is this?

selsta, it's not Monero

wownero? they had broken diff code for ages

at least since the last hardfork

zephyr

I don't know if moneromooo is involved or if the zeph devs just forgor to remove this message in the code...

:D

no mooo is not involved lol they just forked monero's code

ahhh

but this should never show up so something is wrong in their code

yeah

If they have that, then we probably do too. Unless they monkeyed around with the code for some reason.

Mochi101: Can you tell if they monkeyed around with the diff code ? git log src/cryptonote_core/blockchain.cpp, look for "diff" is probably a good test.

Oh, and did they fork monero of wownonero then, since the latter apparently is known borked ?

s/of/or/

they changed the difficulty algorithm

Holy crap. It's like sabotage :|

wownero also changed the difficulty algorithm

so either they implemented it wrong or whatever bug exist only gets triggered due to the changed difficulty code

looks like Monero fork, not Wownero

they made some changes

OK. I'll assume it's their fault until seen on Monero or Townforge, but thanks for the heads up all the same.

This is an improved version of Tom Harding's (Deger8) "WT-144"

looks like they replaced it totally.

yay someone stopped messing with xmrchain

Someone attached it?

*attacked

From a UX perspective: there was a HF... Updated.. then my nodes joined another chain / i keps seeing re - orgs.. i had to go bacl to the wownero release page to find instructions for using specific seed nodes to make the node "work"

ofrnxmr reported it to me / StackWallet iirc (that i was on another chain) - a mess

So a HF update.. then another uodate a week or so later i missed

hi guys

<s​unchakr:monero.social> Join us like in 20 mins!

<s​unchakr:monero.social> x.com/monerotopia/status/1692716158745448838?s=46

sech1, yeah someone seemed to be spamming either the API or the web query with bogus requests. like submitting block heights instead of txids or something. endlessly. xmrchain process had 120% cpu. it runs at <10% usually

If I use Gemini, I can't use Monero - or is there a work around?

<a​narkiocrypto:matrix.org> gingeropolous – Did the spam come from this IP address 45.61.137.63 (my VPS)? If yes I apologize. I moved Kuno from relying on Onion Monero Blockchain Explorer (various instances, not just xmrchain.net) to using a custom script, but I'm sorry if there was a glitch somewhere.

physiology: port conflict maybe ? You can tell monero which ports to use. Try monerod --help.

If not, you gotta give more details about your problem.

I think he's talking about the exchange

maybe

Yes, I am. I use Gemini as the browser based "bank" to go between different coins, and have Electrum to save locally.

If Monero isn't available on Gemini, can I transfer to Electrum and "buy" from there?

Generally speaking, when a plain text file is encrypted, it generates a cypher text file, right?

The cypher text file can then be stored or transmitted, but only those with the key to decrypt it can read it.

My point is that the plain text file doesn't need to be included with the cypher text file, which would be absurd.

So why are we saving all the plain text transaction data in the blockchain when we only need to save the hashes?

<p​atchy319> @ physiology If you cant buy Monero directly on Gemeni, and that is your source of funds. You would have to use some sort of exchange / exchanger in between kycnot.me

<p​atchy319> Ive personally used Exch before, but some people havent been too happy with the dynamic rates on it apparently. Theres plenty of options to change BTC / ETH / etc into XMR. I used to use KuCoin before they went Full KYC sadly

physiology: no, Electrum is a Bitcoin wallet

since you're comfortable using exchanges, you can open an account on Kraken and buy your XMR there

don't forget to withdraw to your own wallet. Monero's equivalent to Electrum is called Feather. featherwallet.org

or you can use one of the official wallets: getmonero.org/downloads

<p​atchy319> Yea, I use Kraken myself atm. Very nice. Sadly you have to wait 7 days if you pay via ACH. But thats pretty normal. I think fee via debit card is like 5% if you needed it instant for some reason.

<p​atchy319> (7 days to withdraw)

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> if krraken drops monero

we'll be legit decentralized :p

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> I think everyyone will be forced on to local monero?

and then when the feds raid local monero, we'll be forced on to atomic swaps

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> eth is "legit decentralized' and it cost me a fortune in gas just to meant a proper nft

ethereum foundation and aws disagree

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> in a decentralized world, how does one link a wallet to a site like i do my eth wallet with metamask?

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> mint*

idunno, ask the web3 nerds. we just care about digital cash here

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> monero is going to lay a much larger role in the decentralized world than many here would like to admit. just look at the charts. Monero the only one not dumping hard. meaningfully. as liquidity leaves the market. Monero folks , me included, are to busy utilzing the currency to worry about the drop. not so with other digital currencies, even eth.

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> play*

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> all im saying is getting educated and aligning with web3 is not a negative

wouldn't we want to stay ahead of the curve and just integrate with web4? or whatever the next buzzword is

<c​ockliuser:matrix.org> Decentralisation == Infura running 2/3rds of nodes? Brilliant

web3 is just a replacement for "blockchain" as in the "blockchain industry", since that buzzword crashed and burned

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> sure, just let the community know how. no need to shun what mainstream web3 is doing. WE can at least, learn, benefit, and get insight on what not to do at the least as along with what may work

<p​atchy319> Eth sacrificed decentralized proof of work for nothing. The gas fes are now just as expensive as they were pre-pos :( Or atleast most of the time they are...

<c​ockliuser:matrix.org> Mainstream web3 btw: hpos10i.com

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Web5

<p​atchy319> Yea thats the only BITCOIN I use personally

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> what about farcaster, decentralized exchanges (uniswap), solona, polkadot, polygon. lot of smart ppl and momentum. hard to deny

<c​ockliuser:matrix.org> I see four scams in that list

if you think the eth clones are any more decentralized than eth, good luck

<p​atchy319> Proof of stake is proof of stake... sadly.

how many other wikipedia articles have a whole section on Buzzword :D that's an accomplishment!

<p​atchy319> I would like to see smart contracts come to a layer 2 on monero one day, but not sure how that would be implemented to prevent abuse and keep it decentralized

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> layer 2 and layer 3 do make things cheaper though. zk rollups. reality is, ton of money and people behind eth.

<p​atchy319> I know a lot of people are against smart contracts because of its lack of privacy, but if it was on a layer 2- theoretically would have the best of both worlds?

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> excellent pov

<c​rispycat:matrix.calitabby.com> buzzwords are lame; we should just call things what they are instead of creating empty hype around them

can't raise money when you're in the Scamming industry so you gotta think of something else

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> i have been using Monero for a large amount of time and find it to be by far the most reliable of digital currencies i use to date. so for the sake of my quality of sleep, I wish I could do more with it :)

<c​rispycat:matrix.calitabby.com> what is a smart contract?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Ai contract ;)

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> well lets see you run a smart contract on Monero. there is benefit in experimentation. stop pointing fingers and provide solutions.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Why would you need layer 2?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Monero is private by default

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> "even eth" :D

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Not like bitcoin lightening

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Chain split

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> essentially code in a blockchain. market makers utilize smart contracts, MEV utilizes them. Anything involving code in a blockchain is essentially a smart contract.

here's an illustration of a smart contract

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> I felt the smartness the one time i sent a test transaction that cost 17$

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> layer 2's do rollups. such as zk or optimistic. that do the work offchain to verify a transaction then sent the results of the validation to the blockchain

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hope cbdc use smart contracts

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Dont steal my idea

one of the longest-running smart contracts: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cups_and_balls

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Rekt.news shows the adva tages of smart contracts for scammers

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Is that like 2 girls one cup geonic?

that's a more modern version

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> imagine insurance ont he blockchain. instead of warrne buffent raking in those profits. a groups of ppl cna come together with their funds and say we will insure someone car or compnay. it allows ppl to pool capital and utilize in ways only centralized players do now

but similar idea :p

and how does this decentralized group of people employ adjusters? the people in charge of combating insurance fraud

and a large customer service apparatus for their insured clients

and and and... a thousand other things. you're back to the company structure

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Write into the contract

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> De centralized

<p​atchy319> Darknets could be ran peer to peer, and with verifiable code. I feel like that would be the true usecase for smart contracts being able to use monero lol. (Ignoring the technical challenges with creating a XMR Layer 2)

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> its a start. all Im saying is why not provide at least ideas or ways that allow decentralized communities to fight the current boomers. chill out. I have buddies with larges fleets of commecial trukcs, 200 plus. that self insure. I would be more than happy to put money into helping insure them

"thou shalt not scam"

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> In my smart contract can i make plowsof dance too release funds?

<p​atchy319> :cat_dance:

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> the world will depend on these contracts. making fun on them will only ostracize the community from the rest of those that can use them

<m​arcmus:matrix.org> If a company wanted to provide insurance on Monero couldn't it just put up a 'car insurance' address? You make the payment to the address and verify that you are the owner of the payment if you need to make use of the insurance policy.

Has Glitter sent smart contract / agent provocateurs to #monero repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/396

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> all one is doing is making a payment in Monero. but pooling funds to insure entire fleets is completely different.

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> entire fleets are insured* is completely different

the typos would make sense

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> i doing to many things at once😀

that's ok. you seem like an honest Smart Contract User

<w​rightpt1:matrix.org> Take pride in being a luddite🫡

<m​arcmus:matrix.org> True it won't work for more complicated scenarios. But I wonder how much can be accomplished by just transacting on chain. I think you can associate an address with info just by transacting with it? Link your address to an URL that points to your contract and a hash of your contract and you can do some complicated stuff.