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gingeropolous
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selsta
gingeropolous: 18.04 is EOL and we don't have CI for it anymore
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selsta
could be that the old compiler doesn't like how the code is written
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selsta
but gcc 7 should still work so looking into it
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selsta
gingeropolous: can you try to apply
selsta/monero 0340e9e
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m-relay
<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Would it be bad to say we shouldn't try to apply /s
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gingeropolous
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gingeropolous
lulz. i think selsta is aware of my git skills
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gingeropolous
hrm, so maybe i didn't successfully apply
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gingeropolous
well i cloned the repo and then checked out that gcc7-fix branch
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gingeropolous
yeah that commit is on top of all the recent merges on the 25th. yeah. i think succesffully tried to apply it
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selsta
did it fail somewhere else?
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gingeropolous
nope
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selsta
post logs again
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gingeropolous
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selsta
so did it fail? or did I misunderstand your previous comment
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gingeropolous
it did not fail.
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selsta
ok good
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selsta
i interpreted "hrm, so maybe i didn't successfully apply" as it failing again that's why i was confused
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gingeropolous
gotcha. no i was beginning to question whether i actually compiled what I was supposed to compile.
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gingeropolous
yah know because im a git master
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selsta
you can do the following
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selsta
git clone normal monero repo
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selsta
and then
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selsta
git pull origin pull/9044/head
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selsta
this pulls the PR I opened with the fix
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gingeropolous
oh i didn't see you opened a PR on the monero repo.
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gingeropolous
i just gotta do this do-release-upgrade i guess
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gingeropolous
so scary
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gingeropolous
thats what i should be for halloween
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m-relay
<jaccid:matrix.org> hello friends
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m-relay
<jaccid:matrix.org> was in the old monero room
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m-relay
<jaccid:matrix.org> a while ago
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m-relay
<jaccid:matrix.org> so kind of out of the loop now
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m-relay
<jaccid:matrix.org> if theres anything new
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noumenon
if I use e.g. UnstoppableSwap to change some Bitcoin into Monero, and then later the Monero into Bitcoin again, will the Bitcoin now essentially be untraceable?
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Inge
the bitcoin still have a history from before you got them, which is still visible
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Inge
also, depending upon how you do it, it might be possible to connect your original bitcoin with the bitcoin you get later, e.g. if the sums line up and are somewhat unusual it could be possible to guess that they were swapped
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noumenon
yeah, but that history wouldn't have anything to do with me I take it
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noumenon
and I see, so change the sums around I guess
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m-relay
<plowsof:matrix.org> what about the history of the bitcoin you atomic swapped to? :( that history is yours now
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noumenon
strong disagree
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noumenon
that's like saying the history of a banknote you receive as payment is yours at that point
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nioc
it's not up to you to agree or not :D
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noumenon
even if it were once used as payment for assassination and rape you didn't have anything to do with that
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m-relay
<plowsof:matrix.org> cash != btc and yeah, send your reasoning to whoever blocks/withholds your coins after atomic swappin'
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noumenon
that is their prerogative, my only question was whether it could be traced through the swap itself
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moneromoooo
Generally speaking, it cannot. But there are special cases.
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moneromoooo
As someone mentioned above, paying in and out the same uncommon amount. Also, if UnstoppableSwap sees very little use.
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moneromoooo
Or if it rats on their customers, if it's a centralized service.
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moneromoooo
If none of these special cases (and possibly some others) apply, then you're down to the ring signatures:
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moneromoooo
Your first monero tx created two outputs (typically), one went to you, the other was change.
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moneromoooo
It's likely that for an exchange, change can be determined by an observer, as I imagine it'll get reused very quickly, and the tx using it will have change that will get reused very qiuckly, etc. I'm speculating here though.
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moneromoooo
So, to be conservative, which output is change is known. The second monero tx will have the non-change output from the first tx in one of its rings, alongside 15 (IIRC) other outputs.
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moneromoooo
As a first approximation, each of those 16 ring members is equiprobably the real spend.
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moneromoooo
So there's about a 16% chance the two txes were made by the same person.
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moneromoooo
Well, on behalf of.
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moneromoooo
er, 6%.
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noumenon
well, that sounds like it wouldn't be that hard to possibly trace after all
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moneromoooo
Also, as your original output gets included in other people's rings, every such tx by others has a 6% chance of being "you" spending it.
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moneromoooo
(as seen from an observer)
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m-relay
<bigmenpixel:matrix.org> Can anybody recommend a VPS service with crypto as a payment method? (xmr is preferably))
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m-relay
<ctrej:matrix.org> monero.town runs on a vps paid for with monero iirc. ping monerobull:
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m-relay
<monerobull:matrix.org> I think they only accepted LTC
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m-relay
<monerobull:matrix.org> use the trocador link on monero.town sidebar with payment mode 😄
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m-relay
<123bob123:matrix.org>
monerodirectory.com
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m-relay
<123bob123:matrix.org> Go to hosting
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m-relay
<123bob123:matrix.org> Also
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m-relay
<123bob123:matrix.org> Servers.guru
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m-relay
<bigmenpixel:matrix.org> Thanks
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acsqdotme
Is it a bad idea to use the monero my package manager ships? I did the who pgp verify thing the first time, but I'll have to do it each time there's an update.
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selsta
depends, for the daemon there is less risk when using a package manager