<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Trocador runs a Tor node. You can check it at monero.fail

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> trocadorh642rks54sxufwy4kys23mrsgof3axowyro5ljb2dkgdlmad.onion:18089

methinks they're saying that peer meticulating (being overly analytical regarding statistical whatsits) could be lowerd.

basically, boost the priority of peers found on The Elite Networks.

<b​ehelit:hackliberty.org> does anybody use a service like trocador prepaids to pay for there phone plan?

I'm sure thay do, why else would tracador keep the service up?

<b​ehelit:hackliberty.org> looking at their post on reddit it seems like the prepaid cards they use have some acceptability issues at times

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<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> does a monero sportsbook exist?

I have a 13th gen core i5 is it worth mining monero with it

aiena: likely not profitable

What hardware do they use to mine monero currently

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> xmrig.com/benchmark

Why can't I send to an address_book entry in wallet-cli... Shouldn't I be able to do `transfer <SomeAddressBookName> <amount>`?

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> When removal of Mymonero and edge from getmonero.org , we are not in 2016/17 to need these light wallets which compromise user privacy

back ping invoke wrong response "OK"

so would an outdated daemon respond with "OK"?>

well, a daemon that doesn't have the back ping checker thing

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Mymonero was removed temporarily during the hardfork

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Grampy opened an issue / request to only list light wallets that work with lws

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Core wants it there, it seems.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> edge voiced interest in LWS, but the conversation was more of than idea than a goal.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> would likely need work with edge to explain how to allow it to work with lws.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> though... doesnt edge store you seed oj their server 😂

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> They always come back after they fix the wallet, subadress are still not supported after almost half a decade.

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Not to add so many view keys being harvested.

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> But I guess till fluffy pays infra bill it will stay there.

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Edge uses mymonero services

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fluffy isnt involved with mymonero anymore afaik

says who

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont remember

nice

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Maybe fluffypony

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Who operates mymonero ? 3 letter agencies?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Id assume so

i operated it for four years

personally

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> How about since fluffys arrest?

i left 9 mos before that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nobody cares about what mymonero _was_

my share was stolen

yes they do care

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You must be named "nobody" then.. because everyone else just cares what it _is_

youre not making sense even if that were true

people care what it *was*

that's why it was something

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Is and was are completely different things

and i'm telling you, some of us operated it at personal cost as an open community project

yes that is fine

but dont lose what it could have been, community

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I never said anything to the contrary.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> what it could have been, isnt what it is

and dont forget the lives that were given to it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Could have would have should have.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> were waiting for you, endogenic

yeah that's for sure

good. this emscripten bug is nearly sealed up at least

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Otherwise, what is is, isnt what it should be or what it could have been

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What it* is

as long as monero still matters to the world, what i have under wraps is pretty damn exciting

back to coding i go

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero cant even fundraise for final 1/4 of the year during holiday season

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Pathetic

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero matters until some less incompetent fools surpass us

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Incompetent isnt meant to imply inability,

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> but uncompetitive ie comfortable

do you really want monero to survive? we should have a conversation again about it then

people we now realize are not who we wanted them to be affected the course of monero's technical development

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Example: we have finally have a road away from ring sigs with fcmp, coming from contributors who are enthusiastic about about getting it done

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Been listening for over a year now, no insights; no sneak peaks; no community involvement

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Is it just another corporate tool in making ?

we need to re evaluate some items we previously decided arent a match technically for monero. and we need to welcome researchers back

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> soon ™️

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Sounds like fluffy

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> endogenic: instead of welcoming res#arches

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We give them 8 weeks to raise "whatever they can", while generalfund sits on a million

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> finger printed!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And then we get hacked and 16 weeks later, still no funding

anyone's who's serious about saving monero please DM me

or talk here

it was considered dramatic 4 years ago when i said its survival is threatened

i said it could become a wiki page about a funky old project that become a dinosaur and lost its culture of hackers, dev and research

i said it for a reason, not out of ignorance

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> jebus?

i know exactly what i'm saying when i say that. it has happened dozens of times in history to other projects. we have warned about social attacks for a reason

monerojebus yes

minus the murder part

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <e​ndogenic> i said it could become a wiki page about a funky old project that become a dinosaur and lost its culture of hackers, dev and research

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> +1

if people want monero to survive they should confirm the reality of what happened and not forget it. covering up such things or not thinking what happened here is important is what will lead us to be caught off guard and destroyed as a project by them

it happened so many times in human history

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Let’s start with LWS and your tool which is being made which comes up when lws is mentioned

i will publish on it literally as soon as i fix some bugs and flesh out my writeup

i survived on the streets, in basements and on couches etc for this

for four years

went into literal hiding

so i promise it's real

gotta bbl tho

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Well in monero land we even spell out what we dreamt last night

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> I am sorry you had to go through this, hope things are looking better for you

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> And are you still writing here over some public wifi ?

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Anyways, while we wait for you to come out

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> We need mymonero/edge kinda crap removed from getmonero asap, can’t be a privacy project at the same time handing over view keys to some unknown entity

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Or even a know entity

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> If fluffy is serious about privacy and has control over mymonero he should shut it down immediately

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> can use LWS

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> but yeah

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Or else we keep feeding data to someone

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> we are GDPR Complaint sir

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> LWS is no comparison to mymonero atm and even after lws if mymonero still is around the problem doesn’t go

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> we are GDPR Compliant sir

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Delist mymonero and edge, only open source wallets should be on getmonero and not some backend which collects viewkeys

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Harvests*

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Or we can just wait for news to hit that millions of viewkeys were harvested and hacked and they can’t find a trace how it happened

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Exit scam 2023 only few weeks left….

delisting mym wouldnt prevent that

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Who controls getmonero.org domain and servers ?

not that i care either way

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Yes, but why wait lol

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> the fluffy i think

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Same person who controls the wallet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Binartfate

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> 16.04

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Is there anything fluffy doesn’t control ? Seems like monero ceo lol

hmmm

me i guess

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> of the fluffy is cdn

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> fluffy doesnt control nearly as much now as he used to

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> oh the fluffy is cdn

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Yah but since 2018 how much has it changed ? And are the ppl controlling chooses by fluffy ?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They are core team

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Yah but since 2018 how much has it changed ? And are the ppl controlling chosen by fluffy ?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not chosen by fluffy

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Chosen by core

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Like board of directors? Are they known

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fluffy was behind bars when decisions were made

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> the core team is a rabbit hole too deep to get into right now

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> but lets split everything

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But monero is(was) not a democracy by any means

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> More of a republic

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> What’s the justification to still have mymonero on getmonero ? Fluffy himself said it was need when wallets were not that good

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Core team used to be in charge of a lot

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Binaryfate told me to stop being a lil bitch about it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and nobody elsee spoke up

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (Not verbatim)

do you have the chat transcript of that? geez

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Ofrnxmr seem to be on core

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> From -site

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Binary is not fit for the job then

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Well, the current proposal for ccs wallet is binaryfate vs luigi 💀

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> If mymonero is on getmonero then binary is unfit to even manage a single xmr for ccs or general fund

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-project/monero-site #2011

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Is binary on mymonero payroll?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-project/monero-site #2162

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-project/monero-site #2029

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Or do they have his balls

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "unpaid"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He's "RINO"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So im sure he's self sufficient somehow

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-project/monero-site #2030

dont you guys remember his prior co?

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Yes Rino is atleast much better than mymonero but still centralised

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Obviously with a few hundred thousand xmr you are sufficient

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Not that old, what was it

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> With mymonero on getmonero some ppl are going to dig their graves

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Anyways that’s for it today

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Have a good day/night

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I havent seen fluffy recommend or retweet mymonero is a very long time. He also counters their bs kyc tweets

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I, of course, dont follow fluffy'as every word, so perhaps i missed a tweet

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> I am not a fluffy hater, i can’t digest a view key harvesting apps on getmonero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Same

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Especially when its run by "who tf knows"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who's in charge of this 1998 UI

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And lws view key leaking software

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Indeed and that opens door for more suspicons

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> And why LWS development has been kept suppressed knowing how good it can make monero experience 😅 uncle lws everywhere fast and easy wallets

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Well it’s a dream till we have mymonero supporters

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Have you seen lza_menace's lws dashboard?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.to/#/!ZdVDBBouJUyQVsewKn:mon…cial&via=matrix.org&via=libera.chat

the lws client needs major improvements for it to be used safely with subaddresses

consider it fair warning :p

aside from some expansions

a while client lib in ts is done and fairly tested

well i say done but a bug remains i'm closing up now

solved

hope you can imagine how i feel knowing this debate is happening and my whole nov was taken out by solving something that just got committed to emscripten lol?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hey, at least your ssh password windows pc didnt get cracked for 2600xmr before your vacation

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Js

never heard of a ssh key being cracked. did someone claim that ?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nah, he wasnt using keys

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cant crack what isnt there 👍

well aside from certain buggy ssh server impls and lots of data capture

ah

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (Ccs wallet was drained for 2675)

right

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I can only imagine how terrible luigi must have felt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Jk

btw i no longer am 'homeless' as i have a certain close friend who's taking care of some basics for me but circumstances have certainly conspired constantly to make me unable to settle down

luigi?

yea

probably all blood drained. pit if stomach dropped

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then he ate a steak and was a-ok

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then forgot to tell us

thats not the kind of stress you recover from

with one steak

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <e​ndogenic> btw i no longer am 'homeless' as i have a certain close friend who's taking care of some basics for me but circumstances have certainly conspired constantly to make me unable to settle down

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 🙏

maybe 100m steaks

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <e​ndogenic> thats not the kind of stress you recover from

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats IF you give a damn

are you asking for my opinion on it? :p

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I think he recovered before bedtime

as i said i met luigi in person

he came w the noethers to our mrl workshop sessions

he also wrote a lot of js and was like a master of the protocol

to me

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah. These doxxed anons and their maid attacks

is he doxxed?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <e​ndogenic> he also wrote a lot of js and was like a master of the protocol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Right.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So how did he make so many questionable decisions

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <e​ndogenic> is he doxxed?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Mrl met him

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So, yes.

well i've made mistakes soemtimes. group theory != practical computer security

but i dont know anything about the theft or setup

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Opsec isn’t not everyone’s cup of tea

mrl met him, i see

i consider them fairly safe

especially sarang

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sarang isnt sarang anymore

huh?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I was asked not to call him that.

oh for real??

by who / when

how

polar i hope you dont mean i am suppressing the tech

i have depleted all my savings for this

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hm. Not sure if i should say in public. Ill try to dm you in a bit

i keep it secret for that reason

i have no strategic capital advantage lol

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> It’s just not you, when was lws built and what progress was made over the years and why was it overlooked

it wasnt overlooked

fp and i pioneered the lws standard and he funded vtnerd partly to build monero-lws

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> To keep mymonero running ? After mobile wallets were stable enough?

hug?

huh?

**

i built the first nonscam monero ios wallet

it was stable immediately

i am confuse

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> You said you paid mymonero bills? For 4years

i said that?

i literally did the operations

paid some

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> And left 9 months before fluffy exit

exit?

to solitary?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Polar, endogenic was instrumental in the creation of mymonero

i left bc i couldnt stay despite trying very hard to a oid it

like a slave

almost

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> At a time when running full wallets was hard af

no iwasnt

i was not

i joined in 2016

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hard like, you couldnt just download a cake wallet

i discoverd xmr via rofer ver in 2016

mym started in 2014

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Idk I am tired I need sleep, that’s what I inferred from the chat above

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <e​ndogenic> mym started in 2014

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> well then, i gave you too much credit. :P

welcome to community polar:)

haha

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Xwallet ?

ew

😂

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> 😂

so many stories to tell everyone

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> He already tried to make something

i wrote mym ios in swift and fp was to get our apple acct approved

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> He alteast tried to make something

but somehow it just didnt happe. for .... a long time

code sat on gh for months and then cake launched theirs first

one advisor i got on mymonero late in the game told me, "humans are excellent storytellers. sometimes the stories we tell ourselves are the exact opposite of the truth". but i also oddly didnt have a positive experience with that person

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> I lost money on Xwallet , didn’t save seed my mistake and he changed company or something and update removed all app data lol

not entirely