I want to know if I can aggregate signatures for multisig wallet. right now in a 3/4 threshold wallet for exmpl, alice should make a transfer transaction, send it to bob, bob signs it and sends it to carol, and then carol signs over what bob sent her to submit to the network. Could it be, that alice signs and send her transaction to bob and carol,

they each sign it and send it back to alice, and then alice aggregate them and submit to network??

<u​ser72340:matrix.org> i don't think he's as unstable as people claim, read the kiwifarms thread on him & seems like the people targetting him are the bigger fags

I keep away from drama, idk how this would matter in the overall product anyway.

most people on the farms are worse than the lolcows they follow, m-relay

Is the lead dev incompetent at his job or what? I didn't see Graphene's reputation changing due to his bevahior.

<p​cre:monero.social> You can test teh new --keep-open command line option: matrix.to/#/#mnp:monero.social

<p​cre:monero.social> A testnet donation to BZCi89PTZppQkmFP9LK2inaRhJrQArij2AZHhAkPWCidXGB8DsACb2ecT2boWQa1sNL2Cwr1gQdCpRgnNM425ZrNGqK4fog

<p​cre:monero.social> You get a free fortune cookie.

<m​etrikable:matrix.org> gonna buy some monero you reckon nows a good time?

<m​etrikable:matrix.org> or should I wait for a bigger dip

<p​cre:monero.social> It's impossible to predict short-term price movements in the cryptocurrency market. Whether it's a good time to buy Monero depends on your investment goals, risk tolerance, and market analysis. Consider factors like recent trends, the long-term potential of Monero, and the strategy that best fits your financial situation. Remember to only invest what you can afford to lose and to <clipped message>

<p​cre:monero.social> diversify your investments.

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> it's always a good time

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> really you should be converting for real use

<p​cre:monero.social> 1) SSD: Purchase an SSD for faster blockchain synchronization.

<p​cre:monero.social> 2) Hardware Wallet: Buy a hardware wallet for secure storage.

<p​cre:monero.social> 3) Daemon Sync: Sync the Monero daemon with a fast internet connection.

<p​cre:monero.social> 4) Wallet Familiarization: Learn how to use your wallet, especially if it's a hardware wallet.

<p​cre:monero.social> 5) Mining: Understand mining methods, hardware requirements, and potential returns.

<p​cre:monero.social> 6) P2Pool: Get familiar with P2Pool for decentralized mining.

<p​cre:monero.social> Then buy Monero.

<m​etrikable:matrix.org> If you are trying to game then it sucks but I'm not a child anymore

<m​etrikable:matrix.org> if you care about freedom you are running an open source OS

<m​etrikable:matrix.org> mac and windows are pozzed

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Games work surprisingly well on Linux with wine, at least the one without anti cheats...

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Games engines are way more wine-friendly than normal programes (they are simplers and usually need less libs)

<m​etrikable:matrix.org> Both apple and microsoft are prolly part of the satanic cabal

<m​etrikable:matrix.org> also steam's proton is good

<m​etrikable:matrix.org> it plays pretty much what I'd wanna play

<m​etrikable:matrix.org> running linux mint rn it does everything I'd want and more

<m​etrikable:matrix.org> but it obviously depends on your goal

<m​etrikable:matrix.org> different operating systems for different kind of users

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Quantower fail on Linux unfortunately and that's more important than games lol

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yep, all Desktop OS sucks in there own ways, all of them, no exceptions

<p​cre:monero.social> I like xfce.

<p​cre:monero.social> MX-Linux

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> MX-Linux I use to run it

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Now I kind of Alpine everywhere servers and laptops

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> And just use Windows on the workstation because of le Quantower

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Alpine not too good for desktop because not enough stuff ported to work with Musl

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I do prefer Plasma and funfact, it use less memory than XFCE and Gnome

<p​cre:monero.social> Plasme !? I might try it.

<p​cre:monero.social> s/a/a

<p​cre:monero.social> s/e/a

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> wait, you sed your first edit then edit edit your sed?

<p​cre:monero.social> XD - true

<p​cre:monero.social> I used windowmaker 10 years ago.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I never ever used windowmaker

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I did use plenty and switched there on there as needed

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Enlightenment E16

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Then eventually KDE3

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Then KDE4 went out and it was garbage so I ran away to..

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> E17-19

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Trinity (oh my KDE3 feel is back)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Gnome 2.x (was great)... Until

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Gnome 3 was released 🤮got to change again...

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Tried to few Gnome 2 forks and eventually...

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> KDE/Plasma was back into some kind of usable state so.. Back to KDE5/Plasma

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Now Plasma 6 is out and some people say it's not usable so I would stick on 5 for a year or something

<p​cre:monero.social> E17-19 👍️

<p​cre:monero.social> I might try Plasma 5 then.

<p​cre:monero.social> 5.25

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Oh yeah, I did use XFCE in the era post Gnome dump

<p​cre:monero.social> Yeah - Gnome 3 was stange.

<p​cre:monero.social> i was forced to use the keyboard.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Gnome 3 is like Windows 8

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Like try to make everything for tablet

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> At least microsoft got user feedback and cancel it lol

<p​cre:monero.social> It was counterproductive for mouse users.

<p​cre:monero.social> Maybe touch screen was ok.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I think it would have worked best for touch screen, it's like they modelled it for that

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> touch/tabled/phone...

<p​cre:monero.social> I think at that point i moved to xfce.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, ran away from know when they released that, a lot of people did.

<p​cre:monero.social> I will see- give Plasma a chance.

Both Windows games I wanted played via Proton with no issue.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Really, all windows game that are correcly programmed and don't use anti cheat or shady DRM should just work on Wine+DXVK (essentially proton)

<g​ee:matrix.start9labs.com> Are `--hide-my-port` and `--public-node` mutually exclusive? 2 sides of the same coin, or do they refer to different functions? If so, what's the difference? TIA

<g​ee:matrix.start9labs.com> `--public-node` docs say it will "Advertise to other users they can use this node as a remote one for connecting their wallets." and "... This option will allow wallets to auto-discover public nodes (instead of requiring user to manually find one)."

<g​ee:matrix.start9labs.com> I don't understand what a wallet could even do with a node's p2p port. I thought remote node functions were RPC functions - so a wallet connecting to a publicly advertised p2p port would offer it nothing? Correct me if I'm wrong but wallets connect to a node's RPC port to eg, fetch blocks and submit transactions?

<o​remon:matrix.org> Monerochan dropped new track: youtube.com/watch?v=ogStrtop_0c

<b​asses:matrix.org> newsroom.ibm.com/2024-04-24-IBM-to-…ve-End-to-End-Hybrid-Cloud-Platform

<b​asses:matrix.org> >IBM to Acquire HashiCorp, Inc for $6.4 billion

<b​asses:matrix.org> Founders And CEO Of [Samourai Wallet] Arrested And Charged

<b​asses:matrix.org> justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/founders-a…rested-and-charged-money-laundering

<b​asses:matrix.org> >Keonne Rodriguez and William Lonergan Hill Are Charged with Operating Samourai Wallet, an Unlicensed Money Transmitting Business That Executed Over $2 Billion in Unlawful Transactions and Laundered Over $100 Million in Criminal Proceeds

<b​asses:matrix.org> Their website seized samouraiwallet.com

<t​ermox:matrix.org> Dang that's crazy.

<k​jeks:matrix.org> Guys, can a bust in tether impact monero?

<d​ezinfik:matrix.org> it will impact everything related to crypto :D

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> Feds were here in this channel. Wow

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> Time to switch to SimpleX

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Samourai Devs got arrested before releasing mass market XMR-BTC atomic swaps.

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> It was a race against time before losing 100% visibility.

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> It's not a coincidence that a few weeks ago the trolls that were here kept advertising Whirlpool. I wouldn't be surprised if they infiltrated the server that helped with swaps and made it a honeypot

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Oh, they actually got offed?!? Howtf I did not know that

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/dZFSzkBGUbwCRgLpSSrtAVuK

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> Both co-founders arrested and going to be extradited to the US

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> Up to 25 years for this

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> CZ only getting 3 years. Unfortunately I don't think these guys have as much info as CZ

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> To get less time

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Because it was whirlpooling or because it integrated the thing we already had (unstoppable)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> ?

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> Not because of atomic swaps. Their whirlpool relied on a centralized server to work and that's what got them in trouble

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I see, yeah... Relying on a thumbler lol

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Funny how plenty Bitcoin OGs choose Portgual for "geopolitical arbitraje".

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Its Dubai or bust

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Follow Durov lead

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> Nowhere is safe

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> Maybe Russia but you have to meet certain favors there

serai will alsooo have centralized nodes collecting fees

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Not "directly". But at the same time whirpool existed for multiple years now. Funny it happens just before mass market XMR-BTC swaps.

only haveno safe

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Funny how plenty Bitcoin OGs choose Portgual for "geopolitical arbitrage".

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> Haveno is not safe Majestic

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> Haveno council collect fees from swaps

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> For themselves and to help developers

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Better come to Switzerland. NYM was given safeheaven here.

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> Haveno can still get in trouble

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> Funny how fed revealed their plan to us and no one noticed

But it's monero bro

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> How can they operate in plain sight like that

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Or just convert to judaism and move to Israel. They protect their jews there. See Pegasus Software.

monero is always aml safe

it's other coins that are problems

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> so far, the admins seam to be raiding actual laundermat.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Does whirlpool have other use case?

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> @ravfx:xmr.mx b​itcoinisgold:xmr.mx: "how im trolling? all im saying is monero is not 100% private and current with btc whirlpool its more private"

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> fed was on your server 🤨

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, I know, troll was there

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> I just find it odd that a few weeks before the bust this person kept trying to switch us from XMR to Whirlpool

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> You think the troll was trying to get us to use whirlpool?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Afaik seam to run after dev & operator

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> You think the troll was trying to get us to use whirlpool?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Afaik they seam to run after dev & operator

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Asian = Fed.

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> See XZ. Classic modus operandi.

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> I ran their messages against a script. Whirlpool was mentioned over 20 times

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> When they mentioned BTC mixers, there are lots of them, they only mentioned Whirlpool

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> Very suspicious

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> After this investigation was over, the troll (aka fed) went. They haven't been active at all

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> Maybe it's a coincidence, but their behavior was exposed for social engineering

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Whats the troll username

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeaaahh, And that matrix thing only keep creation_ts, not last login

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> Not one. There were at least 15 accounts

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> The trolling lasted around 2 months then stopped this month

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> I'm still collecting messages

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, I remember that, many account, mostly having the same name, on many servers (bitcoinisgold)

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> All the messages were deleted here. What the hell...

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> By bitcoinisgold

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, he was deleting after a few minutes as far as I remember

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> or after an hour.. something like that

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> What kind of real troll keeps persisting then deletes their message? If I'm trolling, I would want the messages to stay? It makes no sense

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> If the feds are deleting their messages I might as well follow suit

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> deletion is futile, plenty of people logs

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> I know. It makes no sense...

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> probably most of the irc bounced

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> probably most of the irc bouncer

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> bitcoinsigold mentioned fed 2 times

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> <b​itcoinisgold:xmr.mx> all sellers on localmonero are public? it easier to create fake mole like fed and get the bank id or cbdc of someone. also if seller want to cash out they have to give reason...

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> <b​itcoinisgold:xmr.mx> fed would be responsible in the us

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> btc4life (another troll)

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> <b​tc4life:matrix.org> fed protect people and care for people. we need to care about the spam attack and math behind monero

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> You can't be serious 🤣

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> oh, you do that mass deleting too :p

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> I don't feel safe here. On the small chance it might be the fed, I don't think they will like me potentially exposing them

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> I live in the US too so...

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> Better be careful

this is IRC, nothing gets deleted :D

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> What about Haveno? Can you see the messages there?

<s​tillhuntinglongs:monero.social> #haveno:monero.social

are you looking for something particular?