<m​cneb10:envs.net> youtu.be/gdSFkYba4eM

<m​cneb10:envs.net> Lmfao based

<t​om:hackliberty.org> Hello . Please tell me where I can buy prepaid SIM cards and pay for xmr ?

<j​dsfiuhakdlj:nope.chat> buy it with bitcoin instead

<t​om:hackliberty.org> this is not the best option, what kind of company can you provide a link (not esim)

hello

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<g​fhdjfghghj:nope.chat> @norvegan:nope.chat

<g​fhdjfghghj:nope.chat> hello

<k​okoqeen:matrix.org> what is the block time for stagenet ?

Same as mainnet as far as I know, i.e., 2 minutes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Why did ErC quit the monero community ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> seems like a long story

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Summary: he's a whining man child that didn't get things the way he wanted so threw a tantrum and rage quit. (Finally! 🎉)

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Hopefully he won't come back and gets to be the spoiled tankie he's always been. Long live Firo!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Last time I heard of him he was complaining on reddit that woodser had caused the fall of Haveno council or smth

<p​reland:monero.social> Disclaimer: rottenwheel was one of the people who wanted ErC gone xD

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah lol I kinda got this

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so there was people that were for ErC to stay ig ?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Don't think so, no, they'd have voiced their opinion, or so would I think.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Suffice to say I know for a fact I'm not the only one who didn't like the dude's attitude, just that most people preferred to avoid explicit conflict with him.

<p​reland:monero.social> Effectively from what I can tell ErC wanted to inject politics into Monero projects they were involved with; they were rejected

<p​reland:monero.social> What was the last straw for them I think was that their CCP for being paid was rejected

<p​reland:monero.social> Yeah, definitely an interesting character lol

<p​reland:monero.social> Seems like they ditched the ErC identity not long after leaving xmr

<p​reland:monero.social> Also this room’s name isn’t showing for me, same for anyone else?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> To this day he's still bitching blurting out lines like "I left the monero community because of people like you!" on X and shit. Lol.

<p​reland:monero.social> Hold on let me check the archives xD

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Says monero:monero.social for me

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Guy's a pussy. If you step down, just walk away, pursue another north, I don't know. Get a dog. 😂

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Showing just fine for me now.

<p​reland:monero.social> For me it shows “Stnby and 1282 others”

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ffs lol. xcancel.com/calciferciccio/status/1804764679308288303#m

<p​reland:monero.social> It’s been like that for a few days

<p​reland:monero.social> Also this room in particular has been very laggy

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> xcancel.com/calciferciccio/status/1800480947537944718

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Case in point. xcancel.com/calciferciccio/status/1791081249861243235

<p​reland:monero.social> Tbf the concerns with Reto are somewhat valid

<p​reland:monero.social> That being said the “5th biggest contrib” is WILD

<p​reland:monero.social> So cherry picked

<p​reland:monero.social> “After all this time I’m still the 5th largest contributor, excluding everything that could realistically dethrone my status over time”

<p​reland:monero.social> Like I definitely respect the stuff they did for Haveno

<p​reland:monero.social> But they are definitely their own worst enemy

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> He misses monero badly 😂

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> How much bloat is there due to the arbitration system in the source? Seems like a lot when I looked at it when haveno first launched. But off the top of my head I can’t decide if it’s enough bloat that it would be worth just starting from scratch with the P2P ad posting model. It’s a very simple P2P network, the code base would be pretty small.

<p​reland:monero.social> Tbh I’m not sure; I think that it can be skimmed down over time

<p​reland:monero.social> There is *still* legacy Bitcoin code, as well as code to allow base currencies other than XMR…..

<p​reland:monero.social> ….yeah

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> If I had the time I could probably write the source for the ad posting network and client without gui in less than a month

<p​reland:monero.social> Remember to use the 200% rule for project timing

<p​reland:monero.social> If you say it’ll be done in less than a month, it’ll likely be done in less than 3 😂

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Hahah yea I’d still have to refine it and have it reviewed

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Basically meant like a functioning draft

<p​reland:monero.social> Hmm

<p​reland:monero.social> That would be interesting

<p​reland:monero.social> How would it work, from the maker side and the taker side

<p​reland:monero.social> (And also from the network’s perspective for both, cuz decentralized)

<s​trawberry:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/CbUtUwTwDyhdhFWxQHpusnrG

<s​trawberry:monero.social> "Monero is an inclusive project" -> we should exclude someone from the conference

<s​trawberry:monero.social> excuse me?

<m​mxxx:monero.social> old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/qo…cel_chris_sky_from_being_invited_to

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Leftards, they're progressive and inclusive all you want, as long as you fall under their parameters, meet their expectations and think like they do. 😁

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> He accused me once, either in this channel or in -community of posting conspiracy theories and being a neo nazi in my Twitter profile. Lol.

<s​trawberry:monero.social> maybe he should help out zcash instead

<p​reland:monero.social> Or the rust foundation perhaps

<s​trawberry:monero.social> mozilla perhaps

<p​reland:monero.social> Perhaps he should work for OpenAI; aren’t they the biggest open source project rn? 😂

<s​trawberry:monero.social> "open" AI

<p​reland:monero.social> I mean, Haveno is made in Java

<p​reland:monero.social> Minecraft is Java

<p​reland:monero.social> Hmmmmmmm

<p​reland:monero.social> Minecraft Haveno mod

Given that there were computer processors made in Minecraft... Technically this is possible)

<p​reland:monero.social> Imagine you log onto Haveno one day and the first offer you see is “1.3 million diamond blocks for 2.3 XMR”

<p​reland:monero.social> The most awesome and most dystopian thing ever

<s​trawberry:monero.social> time to build RandomX in Minecraft servers to start a botnet :D

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Once the network has been bootstrapped, peer discovery is trivial, and nodes use proof of burn method to manage the number of ads posted. The propagation model for spreading the proof for the ad fee is computationally inexpensive. Maker’s query nodes for ads and verify their proof in the ad listing. Also in the ad listing can be proof of funds. Which mitigates time being wasted <clipped message>

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> by takers and reduces excessive unnecessary requests to makers.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> After communication has been established between an individual pair of maker and taker there’s no need for them to use the network to trade with each other again.

<p​reland:monero.social> Hmm

<p​reland:monero.social> What are the ram reqs for RandomX 😂

<s​trawberry:monero.social> erm, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it

<d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/CCOfPeiwdqYgyEODRXyaVKmV

<p​reland:monero.social> So, to be clear, the network will:

<p​reland:monero.social> -connect makers/takers together on an aggregated “forum” of sorts

<p​reland:monero.social> -allow makers and takers to communicate with each other

<p​reland:monero.social> -allow takers to prove that the maker has funds

<p​reland:monero.social> The network does not

<p​reland:monero.social> -handle a transaction

<p​reland:monero.social> -arbitrate a transaction

<p​reland:monero.social> -ensure that the transaction goes smoothly

<p​reland:monero.social> -protect against fraud that is not related to the ad postings themself

<p​reland:monero.social> Does this also mean that all vendors at a given price point will look the same, assuming they both have the same proof?

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Yes except in-client messaging is not not necessary. But you can integrate it if you want. Makers can post contact details in ad

<p​reland:monero.social> Hmm

<p​reland:monero.social> So replace the “communicate with each other” with simply

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Client can integrate price index with makers setting estimated price above spot. However you should expect exact quotes upon contact

<p​reland:monero.social> Oh wait, do the takers actually do anything on the network other than lurk?

<p​reland:monero.social> Hmm ok

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Basically lurk then contact

<p​reland:monero.social> Ah I see

<p​reland:monero.social> Yeah that would be nice as its own thing

<p​reland:monero.social> It would be risky though

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> They’ll need proof of funds for the ads estimate anyway. Otherwise takers will ignore the ad

<p​reland:monero.social> I’m more concerned about fraud occurring off the platform, ie they have proof of funds but never release it to the other person

<p​reland:monero.social> Unless there would be extra stipulations for how the transaction goes (ie 2:2 stuff)

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Oh not sure how much you saw my commentary on that much earlier in haveno lounge.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> This all comes down to premium and deposit pricing.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I mentioned earlier in that room that I may be willing to write an interactive premium and deposit pricing tool for the financially and mathematically impaired normie

<p​reland:monero.social> “The financially and mathematically impaired 😂😭”

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Partially because I write this stuff to automate my own use cases anyway

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I’m still waiting to actually get involved in monero’s economy. Waiting for more development.

<d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/eWlNfIJEXpUZHKZjBybfjLVt

<d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> we drained his stock lol

<s​trawberry:monero.social> who is we?

<d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> lil_nigger12 on discord and sigmaskibidier

<s​trawberry:monero.social> what does that have to do with monero?

<d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> it's not got anything to do with monero lmao

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Moooooods!

<d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> join discord.gg/hch, we drained them

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> But we dont include erc, so not inclusive

<d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> we drained them of 1k stock

<d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> we drained discord.gg/hch

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org endor00 sirs?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> nobody cares

<d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/EvmIqZCJoYGDFfbfzCFtqGYT

<d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/pxtmTRHpYXOKyqRKPffksqbY

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> ok

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Thanks

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> gj plow

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> gj

<k​okoqeen:matrix.org> thnx

<s​trawberry:monero.social> here we go again

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Also there’s some general guidelines that should be sufficient for the vast majority of cases without necessarily needing a pricing tool to guide users. Primarily users with greater activity and volume will need a pricing tool or their own methods for pricing

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<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> plowsof endor00

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