<p​ascoalpsjunior:matrix.org> forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/202…-price-crash-wipes-away-200-billion

<p​ascoalpsjunior:matrix.org> For the cult of bitcoiners maximalists

<j​effro256:monero.social> It's only down 6% over the last week?? Quite literally just a random Monday in cryptoland

<j​effro256:monero.social> Already making a V-shaped recovery... 'critical' my ass

<j​effro256:monero.social> I think the 1/8 is adjustable at the protocol level, but not at the user level AFAIK

<j​effro256:monero.social> Actually disregard the last comment: github.com/monero-project/monero/bl…ryptonote_protocol_handler.inl#L367

<k​okoqeen:matrix.org> Assange is a free man now

Hi, to report back, i did move the bitmonero folder to a new pc and it did start over it seems. Been running all night and maybe halfway ....

any idea why?

Started over from scratch as if there where no blockchain to continue from? Or its slow?

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> HE'S FREE

plowsof it shows "Daemon blockchain remaining 129689" still after one day... if you have a full blockchain synced usually it don't take a day but maybe its different on monero?

plus the data.mdb is growing in size ....from 168GB to now 181GB....

Definitely different/slower on monero. An SSD is one of the major requirements if you want to sync a full node in a day(s). If database size is your concern then you can have a pruned node. I dont have the current full-chain disk size to confirm those numbers

And if you decide on a pruned node then we have to do some shuffling around again depending on how much free space you have on your drive >_<

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> yea my pruned monero node weighs 78Gb currently

i seem to have issue with connecting to this server :/ sorry if i missed a reply

another thing i need to learn....using vpn seem to cause issue with mirc...

can i run monerod --prune-blockchain when its not in full sync ?

think i found on forum: Add the --prune-blockchain flag to the Daemon startup flags box.

i use gui :)

<m​mxxx:monero.social> n00b :p

yeah very

not sure what it do when i'm not synced though

failed to start daemon it seem

restarting helped, it says syncronizing again ...

hmm this is strange, now Daemon is fully synced all of the sudden

just "Wallet blocks remaining" is doing its thing

bye for now , will see if it works ok in the end

cheers

<m​mxxx:monero.social> i found that the cli was easier to use, even as a n00b

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> unrelated but i'm drafting a suggestion on how to implement plausible deniability directly inside a monero wallet, will share it later

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> so the situation is this :

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ra.network/YjsPOyLcOWgFxJASEtuxYHYH

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rip alice

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ra.network/weDCQcDQSfhaxPDruPXkcNuB

bob can just be beaten into submission and forced to give up monero that he doesn't have

that is the power of low-tech thermorectal cryptanalysis

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Jack use to be alice?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Kinky

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ra.network/kBgmQHKngJCSJaAoOAlQENib

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> yea so heres my proposal ^

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Due to inflation wrench attack price has increased

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ra.network/EvdBpkQfVnqoPBkdvLFLXmPU

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> lmk your thoughts if this is a stupid idea or not, if thats possible, it could be a of real use

Jack is wondering about the other wallet cache bob has and is becoming very impatient

nihilist, and then LE knows about such technology existing and sees the first password as "keep going, he has the capability to have more" :)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Bob is rich, has 100xmr

But ye, same as for the Veracrypt hidden volumes.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Will bob give loans out?

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> yea it's inspired from veracrypt, there's no way to prove if there is a hidden volume is the idea

Trezor has the ... Password or seed offset feature when attempting to open a wallet

Typing the password or word on your device opens the corresponding wallet

What if bob can show jack that the 0.1 or 100xmr is spent in a send to self transaction

Bob made sure to delete the wallet cache, to not reveal the subaddress at [very large and random index]

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> yea thing is, if bob tries to open the wallet and it does not show that he has recieved jack's 0.1 XMR jack knows that he's not showing him the real wallet

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> yea thing is, if bob tries to open the wallet and it does not show that he has recieved jack's 0.1 XMR jack knows that he's not showing him the real wallet, same if it doesnt have the specific xmr address

True, a send to self at a random index to prove he received and spent it i swears

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Or bob goes “ what is monro

Jack wants your mnemonic probably to access on his own software hm

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> yea so the mnemonic seed needs to not be shown either when typing the password

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> yea so the mnemonic seed needs to not be shown either when typing the password to open the wallet

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> which is probably counter-intuitive, i agree, but otherwise jack would just restore the monero wallet elsewhere and see every transaction

m-relay | <nihilist:m.datura.network> yea it's inspired from veracrypt, there's no way to prove if there is a hidden volume is the idea <- I mean of it's LE, they won't need proof, just the possibility of it being there. If they know about such software in general.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Deny all knowledge

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> yea well if you live in a dictatorship where you're thrown in jail just for using some software, then yea you cant do anything about it

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> i'm not considering that scenario

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> but if LE needs to be able to prove that bob recieved more than 0.1XMR and if even by forcing him to type his password they can't reveal it, man it would be ideal don't you think ?

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> but if LE needs to be able to prove that bob recieved more than 0.1XMR and if even by forcing him to type his password on his monero wallet they can't reveal it, man it would be ideal don't you think ?

I mean, they do know about such capability of software unless it's obscure or poses as existing software that doesn't do that... But idk how educted the average cop is about this.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> what matters here is "Bob was forced to give his password to his monero wallet, and it showed X, Bob declared that there was nothing more, and Jack can't prove that there is"

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> if that is made possible from a monero wallet, then Bob has a way to retain his financial privacy even when forced to open his wallet by an adversary

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> what matters here is "Bob was forced to give his password to his monero wallet, and it showed X, Bob declared that there was nothing more, and Jack can't prove that there is more funds in it"

Ah, law IS supposed to protect the hidden volumes like that?

But the capability of the software is known, no?

So this is protected regardless of the software capability?

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> the software is open source either way, in the case of veracrypt it gives the user the choice to have the "hidden volume" or not. The user can claim there's no hidden volume with either choice, thats the main idea, the adversary cannot prove that there is one

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> then, based on which password bob puts in his veracrypt drive, he can open either the decoy volume or the real hidden volume

Ah, they just don't have the right to torture further.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> yea they forced bob to type password A, and they only see the decoy contents with nothing sensitive in it

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> bob secretely kept password B in mind, and later when he's free again he can open the hidden volume

What stops them from hitting Bob's fingers with a door once again because there's a chance a volume is there?

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> well, nothing lol

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> but again, that idea works when you're in a democracy, not a dictatorship

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> well, nothing lol

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> but again, that idea works when you're in a democracy, not a dictatorship, where LE can't do everything it wants

<o​pen.devil:matrix.org> I didn't request to enter in this group. What is it about?

<o​pen.devil:matrix.org> Oh it's the Monero group

<o​pen.devil:matrix.org> But I don't see the name nor the logo anymore

How you protect the info really depends if you value it more than your body's integrity. I'd draw the line at the info that can compromise other people or on big sums.

AFAIK there is a way to set up LUKS in a way that destroys the headers upon entering a certain password?

Or you can have the passphrase on paper without remembering it and destroy if needed.

I am thankful to have this outside my threat model, here all the outcomes are horrifying.

but ye if this is all not a concern - very interesting idea

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> well that could work i guess yea, but you lose whatever monero was in that volume then

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> well that could work too i guess yea, but you lose whatever monero was in that volume then

AFAIK in that setup the headers were possible to back up and later restore.

should refresh how that went

ye, generally you can back them up

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> yea but drawback is that it would show that you dont intend to cooperate

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> if you have that setup where you intentionally cooperate and type a password, but still it doesnt show them what they need, and they cant prove there's more, that would be ideal imo

<v​enture:monero.social> buskill addresses that as well buskill.in

<v​enture:monero.social> buskill.in/luks-self-destruct

<v​enture:monero.social> if the attack / force applied by jack (adversary) is time critical for the attacker (often the case I think with these wrench attacks), I figured I would just give a wrong password but with a KDF value of like 1000000, so it would take >24hrs on my hardware to open the wallet or reveal that the password was wrong in the first place

<v​enture:monero.social> if the attacker suspects a large amount, it's even reasonable to have self-imposed a 24hrs time-lock.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> in this case jack is not leaving until he has what he asks for, all the time in the world

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> in this case jack is not leaving until he has what he asks for, he has all the time in the world

<v​enture:monero.social> ah okay. yeah didn't fully read through the scenario. as I said, the attack would need to be time-critical

<v​enture:monero.social> if the attack / force applied by jack (adversary) is time critical for the attacker (often the case I think with these wrench attacks), just give a wrong password but with a KDF value of like 1000000, so it would take >24hrs on my hardware to open the wallet or reveal that the password was wrong in the first place

<v​enture:monero.social> if the attacker suspects a large amount, it's even reasonable to have self-imposed a 24hrs time-lock.

If I leave blockchain location default for a testnet wallet, will it overwrite my mainnet chain?

no, its nested in a testnet folder (same for stagenet)

plowsof: thank you :)

got scared by "A blockchain already exists here. Select a new location for a purned node"

If I would need to sync again without internet (only stealing from the neighbor at the moment :D ), it would be a disaster...

heck, I went back in time and have the feeling I'm connected with my zyxel again :D I there anywhere a mostly up to date stagenet or testnet blockchain blob?

@lederstrumpf: I saw your DM and responded but Matrix is being Matrix yet again

federation issues and whatnot

Send your PGP

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> BlueyHealer wiping LUKS header on certain password is probably done with custom kernel module

<l​ederstrumpf:matrix.org> ah - now I see ^^

<l​ederstrumpf:matrix.org> DM'd

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<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> bro just send that pgp message over pastebin

<b​asses:matrix.org> use privatebin.net

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> use paste.sethforprivacy.com

<b​asses:matrix.org> he could have forced dark theme like pb.envs.net

<3​21bob321:monero.social> github.com/awesome-selfhosted/aweso…hosted?tab=readme-ov-file#pastebins

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Beat that!