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<m​cneb10:envs.net> is there a place i can find a list of regional/city based monero rooms?

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> You want to make groups with 1-2 users each ?

I'd hazar that there are a lot of Monero users who would prefer to keep their region / city private 🙃

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I’m in monero.town 😬

fluffypony, hoe else would you buy in cash then?

BlueyHealer: Paxful etc. - unless you're reinventing #bitcoin-otc with a WoT there is massive risk in doing it over IRC

What's Paxful?

Ah, you mean about making contact in e2e messages instead?

no

nothing to do with e2ee

paxful.com

Looking through it now and seems like Paxful is KYC. NO.

BlueyHealer: be logical - your counterparty is either going to steal from you, or is an LEA agent

If you're going to KYC anyway, could buy it with a bank card, or hell, on a centralized exchange.

the best thing to do is acquire something more ordinary (eg. Bitcoin) through KYC-free sources (kycnot.me)

and then atomic swap / KYC-free swap to Monero

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/489

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Is not KYC!

IDK, while BTC is an option, I woud not like it because the fees would eat into small purchases.

kewbit, yea)

sure then buy stablecoins

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Holy throw back, I though that site died years ago

fluffypony, they have negligeable fees? Then yea, that indeed looks normal too.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I downloaded it again recently just to see how it was layed out for some inspiration for the Haveno app lol

BlueyHealer: yeah - USDT on Tron has nearly non-existent fees

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But yeah it is dead and mostly scammers on there now

I do think there is place for cash purchases tbh. I personally buy for cash from a person I knew for a long time, but that was luck, I know.

I agree that there's a place, but you NEED a reputation system

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Tree of trust, invite only, then you can spot the weak links and see patterns of spam / scams

fluffypony, yea, like on Localmonero. And now it's clear what your point is.

yep

Also, about Haveno... I heard you need a small amount of Monero beforehand to trade there, like on Bisq?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Staking ?

fluffypony, I was just thrown off by you linking a KYC site as an example... What is even the point of such a site?

BlueyHealer: not to put too fine a point on it, but KYC is compliance theatre

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes, you provide a reserve for security and then you can trade

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And Haveno doesn’t use Dao token

<qeo18> jel;lp

kewbit, I just wonder how Haveno or Bisq propose to deal with it. It is not an issue for me, as someone who does have the sum. But I wonder if they have plans for something just for those small trades?..

Dao token? Wat?

<qeo18> hmm

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t know for sure, definitely needs more thought but having a kind of system where you have a trust network like an ever expanding tree, and you only invite to the network who you trust or you risk penalising your own reputation based on people that you invite scamming or spamming the network. You wouldn’t be able to join without an invite or you’d have to stake a certai<clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> n amount that could be burned if certain conditions were met. It’s a very general idea but quite complex to implement, though I have thought about it a lot.

kewbit, IIRC Riseup functions like this. It led to a lot of false bans.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Even if it were just a way of visualising the network for manual intervention at the seednodes on major events, I’m sure it would offer value in some way, but I agree there are drawbacks, I can’t think of anything else for a completely anonymous network, literally everything, including the real number of arbitrators can be spoofed.

hi, what is the best way to acquire XMR from fiat with privacy?

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> blog.nowhere.moe/opsec/haveno-client-f2f/index.html

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> on a DEX that can accept monero for fiat directly, like haveno

<b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/oHAaPgYgkwxaKbFCtGdnEkii

<b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/oBiqmaJlaIhzEcSnwPGQUHIj

<b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/cODsrhZycdVnOjqEhXNZFTwn

<b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/SdVeqGqoDRSYMslnHaqdnjfB

<b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/tcwGYTmPZPUwEOAPapOtteUG

<b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/oQkViDFfSJgwjunpGtcXbixq

<b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/RoeCsIdWPrVWjjbKjOxxcqNE

<b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/PkXHthwyvRKybaZcKKZVAYHY

<b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/RzvzDTyAHhVtIGGRPgKJMGCS

<p​reland:monero.social> plowsof idk what the above is but it probably isn’t good

thanks, classic nope dot chat behaviour

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> finally saw the so called troll/spammer for the first time lol

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> IRC users, dont click those links. no idea what images they are

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> lets fund another 10 community managers

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Generic nazi things

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> incoming official report on how monero community is filled with nazi's and thats why they should criminalize it lol

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> They won't ban something they need

Running check_reserve_proof and getting the following output means that there is 0 XMR left in the wallet, correct?

Output: Good signature -- total: 7001.000000000000, spent: 7001.000000000000, unspent: 0.000000000000

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Did you use "all" param when creating the reserve proof?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 31.md.monerodevs.org/interacting/de…et-rpc/?h=reserve#get_reserve_proof

<m​alcolmz:matrix.thisisjoes.site> blacksdontmatter1 has joined

<m​alcolmz:matrix.thisisjoes.site> lmao

o​frnxmr: it's not my proof... damn.. I wish

I assume it defaulted to all though.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> -dex doesnt have a network

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Reto is the only one you can trade on

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> yea ^

<b​lacksdontmatter1:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/iLjorKhMonWyLOsQsSxGPJOa

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nazi flag

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> on my privacy app

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> again?

<b​lacksdontmatter1:nope.chat> lionel nassi

<b​lacksdontmatter1:nope.chat> it's lionel nassi

<b​lacksdontmatter1:nope.chat> it's a meme

hello nope dot chat

<b​lacksdontmatter1:nope.chat> hello

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Nien

i did not see you coming back and spamming, but can you stop please

<l​ionelnassi:nope.chat> why did you ban me?

<l​ionelnassi:nope.chat> i sent a lionel nassi meme and you banned me

im an evil person sorry

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Why dox yourself

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Now thats ban evasion lol

<l​ionelnassi:nope.chat> yes