<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It works but it depeds on the circumstaces

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It works but it depeds on the circumstances

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It works but it depends on the circumstances

what circumstances

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Where did you download it from?

haveno reto

hey guys, does haveno work for u on windows?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You'll have to chat with them

oops i pasted the wrong text

i did, they're just a bunch of linux fanboys and they dont give a fuck

wait i got an idea

ill just run this on WSL

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I answer your question, if you focus here

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You'll need to speak to those guys

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> They have a simplex chat

yeah i did, i joined the simplex chat and asked for support

no support was given, and they made fun of me because im using windows lol

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That's the best place, because currently there is no official support here for haveno unless it's stagenet ands you're using our stagenet downloass

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I would recommend using Debian 12 desktop as a minimum, if we're familiar you can use something such as Whonix in virtualbox on windows, my recommendation is that you install Qubes OS, I am preprating some guides for usage on there, I've been writing them over the last few days, I should hopefully have something solid soon.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I would recommend using Debian 12 desktop as a minimum, if you're familiar you can use something such as Whonix in virtualbox on windows, my recommendation is that you install Qubes OS, I am preprating some guides for usage on there, I've been writing them over the last few days, I should hopefully have something solid soon.

interesting, but i dont really want to

im gonna use this on a debian 12 WSL

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> What method of installation are you using IDK what methods reto offer

ill install gui on WSL, and ill download the .deb of haveno reto, and install it from there

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Remember they are an unofficial source so the haveno dev's are not in the loop

do u know what WSL is or nah

yeah im awware

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Okay do it's a .deb

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Okay so it's a .deb

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It's should be fine on a WSL, let me know any errors you get in the @Haveno channel

okay

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Java nerds making fun of windows users, that's rich 😂

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I get it, on a Venn diagram our community merge a lot of with GNU/Linux one but it's just so wrong for people to shame other users because they use Windows. Especially framing them with arguments that are often either fallacious or misinformed.

This is true, and yet those people conribute to sustaining the behemoth that's never stopped trying to crush us for dozens of years now.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> moneromooo sorry i dont understand. who are *those people* and what isthe *behemoth*

"those people" are the the ones you refer to, who are using windows. And the behemoth is Microsoft, who gets its income by (partly) selling them windows.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh ok

Less so now. It used to be the massive cash cow originally. Even forced upon those of who would just remove it as soon as we get the computer anyway.

As much as I dislike Windows and help my family get away - I understand there are reasons one cannot switch, and we shouldn't be absolutists.

Although in some cases it can be self-contradictory (like if privacy is the goal and the OS itself compromises you)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Reasonable privacy was easier to achieve in the oldest version of windows imo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think someone with Windows 11 and Portmaster can do pretty well ngl

I wonder if the OS would be able to bypass it. I've read that system apps on iOS/Mac can bypass VPN, for example - wonder if Windows can misbehave similarly.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Portmaster is using a kernel driver so that is unlikely

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not even using Windows filtering framework. so theoretical solution for bypass is another kernel driver

Ah, okay.

@sn0wbytzz:

If the .deb bin doesn't run in WSL, dependencies are probably missing.

Try building it yourself

git clone github.com/retoaccess1/haveno-reto.git && cd haveno-reto && ./gradlew build -x test

<b​asses:matrix.org> use windows education and enterprise editions

<b​asses:matrix.org> and use group policy to disable crap and 99% of telemetry

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Windows LTSC is indeed a good solution. However I heard that some critical security updates has been delayed for these editions

<b​asses:matrix.org> hence why I recommend Edu and Enterprise because you will need frequent updates

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> my bad i read in diagonal.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This is sickkkk:

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> kewbit.org/monerod-gui-by-everoddandeven

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> kewbit my brother in christ please post a comment beside your reddit post everyone is going to think you are the author

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Nooo, it's too obviously when you start reading it

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Nooo, it's too obvious when you start reading it

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I link everything he owns his bounty, his repo, his github, I copy and paste is XMR address, it's nice work

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> needs more eyes to see it

ArticMine

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> self referential structure detected. aborting compilation

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I literally just accidentally donated half of my wallet to some devs donate address while doing a transfer between two VMs with faulty clipboard mechanics and he legit just sent it back

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> epic

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Frfr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> qubes-clipboard is the bane of anyone opsec

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> There is hope in this community

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But that just gave me an idea, what if there was some blockchain trust mechanism based on how much you’re willing to stake on someone and not have them steal it.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Like for example, I stake $200 on plowsoff, that’s shows he’s trust is $200 from me and maybe 2k from someone else seems trustworthy then he’s got 2.2k staked to his name which he doesn’t take even though he could

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But then you’d get whales who just stake on themselves - but you could still counter fakes from whales with proof of contribution mechanisms like how much do they participate in debates, and clear community efforts etc

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yada yada yada

Congratulations. I hope plowsoff's home address is not publicly known, since it's not known he can give you 2.2k if.... convinced...

*now known

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The view keys would have to be public

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And an action from either party would mean theft, or revocation.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Both require social justification and would attribute some kind of moral penalty unless mutally agreed

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yada yada

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> crionge

i have a wrench in the shed before you visit, don't waste the 5$

:D

imagine not checking the beginning, end and................middle of a pasted address b4 sending 0_o

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who am I and where is my milk?

Cat drank it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You are *rouepourrite*, and your milk has been stolen by a cat

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yo nioCat stop the hive mind

supposedly there are keyloggers that only keep the beginning and end of a crypto address while replacing the middle because people started checking the beginning and end of addresses

keychangers?

I guess

So... they ship a large amount of pregenerated addresses ?

doesn't seem very plausible

I still check :)

I suppose... they could ship the attacker's view key and brute force a "vanity" address on the victim's computer, who wonders why pasting addresses takes 10 minutes...

Makes that really any sense? If I get a keylogger on the system, then I can also steal the wallet, log and send the key and destroy the current wallet, or directly the OS, should give plenty of time for a transfer...

well, not elegant, but pregenerating keys is neither...

That makes me wonder, what is the computer software equivalent of a $5 wrench ? Rowhammer ? You hammer at the RAM till you flip the right bits to get access...

:D rowhammer was a shocker to me

Yeah. Totally new class of attack AFAIK. Well done.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Due to inflation the price is higher

well, same expression a bit more honest: through extorsion the price is higher