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BillyZane
hello
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> HI
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BillyZane
hello ofrnxmr
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Hello BillyZ
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BillyZane
i am looking to start taking privacy in my life more seriously
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BillyZane
i am looking to make purchases using monero
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> are you the billy zane?
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BillyZane
i am very inexperienced with crypto, i have never used a crypto wallet before
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BillyZane
umask777, haha. naa, just a fan
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Sounds great. Do you have Monero?
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Oh, so you don't have Monero
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BillyZane
ofrnxmr, i don't have monero, i am trying to learn a lot, and i am taking advice from people
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Are you a windows, mac or linux user? Or mobile?
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BillyZane
i am on getmonero.org , and i just wanted to confirm that this website is not a phishing website
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> That is the right website
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BillyZane
ok thank you. i use linux
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BillyZane
as i understand, my first step is to get a wallet, and to confirm the signature witha GPG key
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> If you want an easy to use wallet for Linux, id recommend Feather
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> You can find a link to feather on the downloads page of getmonero.org
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BillyZane
i see, thank you, i will get feather then
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BillyZane
i have a few questions regarding monero
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BillyZane
as i understand it, you can buy XRP from an exchange, and then transfer the XRP to a private wallet
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> The Monero GUI wallet is also good, but a bit heavier and in some respects harder to use
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BillyZane
is this the only way to purchase monero
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BillyZane
i would probably be more comfortable with a GUI wallet to begin with tbh, although a CLI should be fine too
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Stack Wallet and Cake Wallet also have Linux wallets, but i'd stick with feather, as youre new and feather is probably the most stable
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BillyZane
to put it bluntly, how do i purchase monero anonymously
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Feather is a GUI wallet. But there is a wallet called "Monero GUI"
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BillyZane
i see. no feather should do fine, something easy to use is a good starting point for me
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Purchasing anonymously is difficult
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Its the same as purchasing anythinf else anonymously. Need an anonymous payment or delivery method
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m-relay
<dave.jp:matrix.org> Feather should replace monerogui
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> So if you use cash, you need to mail it, or need to do a face-to-face trade
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BillyZane
so a monero transaction only costs 2 cents?
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Less
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BillyZane
wow that's awesome
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> about 1/2 a cent
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BillyZane
that's very reasonable. i was thinking it would be in the dollar range
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BillyZane
i am also looking to make online purchases anonymously
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Maybe at 35k+usd/xmr
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> soon™️
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BillyZane
ahh i see, so larger quantities use more
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Its the same as purchasing anythinf else anonymously. Need an anonymous payment or delivery method
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> billy zane i'll give you 1XMR for Sherilyn Fenn's phone number
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BillyZane
lool umask777
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> she's such a babe
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Billy, i mean, the price of 1 xmr at 35kusd woukd be ~1usd/tx
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BillyZane
umask777 you weren't kidding!
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> you had a recurring role as her love interest in the second season of Twin Peaks so i hope you kept in contact
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BillyZane
i hope i did too
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> though she was also a teenager and you were in your twenties so p sure that's illegal and i'm currently tweeting about it
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BillyZane
haha
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> twitter says you're canceled, i'm sorry
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BillyZane
it's alright, i'll manage
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> good man
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BillyZane
ofrnxmr, i want to make specific purchases online related to online anonymity, for example, a VPN, and a cellular phone service
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BillyZane
ofrnxmr, i realize that i could give someone cash and have them send me monero
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BillyZane
i also want to purchase things online, like a new cellphone
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BillyZane
for me this is a learning process
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> you should check monerica.com which is a directory of businesses that accept XMR
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BillyZane
ahhh i see, thank you!
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BillyZane
this is really beautiful what you guys are doing here btw
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> there's also xmrbazaar.com
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> xmrbazaar.com for a craigslist-like xmr based website
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BillyZane
ohh interesting
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> i suspect you'll have trouble finding cell phone service paid in XMR but it may be out there, if you find someone selling it you should share here or on the above sites
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> there are several VPN providers though
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Kycnot.me
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Silent.link
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> others
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BillyZane
umask777, i was recommended silent.link
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> oh interesting
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> never heard of it but i'll take a look
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BillyZane
umask777, i am not a computer or network security specialist
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BillyZane
so i have to be very careful about how i go about doing this
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BillyZane
i am reading guides and getting advice from knowledgeable people. i take notes along the way
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BillyZane
i build up a plan
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> coinsbee
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> coinsbee.com
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BillyZane
thank you coinsbee
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> it have a bigger cut than bitrefill but they do accept the monero
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BillyZane
err sorry
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BillyZane
ravfx, thank you
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> ivpn accepts xmr
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BillyZane
give me a sec guys, i have to write writing down all of this, i always take notes when i'm flooded with advice
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BillyZane
ok i am caught up
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BillyZane
so i guess this is a little bit outside the scope of this channel
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BillyZane
but my big problem is buying monero anonymously (if possible)
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BillyZane
and having items delivered to me anonymously
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BillyZane
for the second part, i was thinking i could have packages delivered to a friend
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BillyZane
which is not ideal since i'd have to depend on them every time, and second, this person is linked to me
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BillyZane
for me this is more of a matter of principal and also a matter of having a useful skill
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Buying anything anonymously is hard. If you want to buy xmr anonymously, you need an anonymous way to pay
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BillyZane
cash?
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> how are you delivering the cash anonymously?
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> yep
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> or get paid in XMR
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BillyZane
parking lot
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> or something like that
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> getting someone else to go to the meet location? Mailing w/o return address? Deposit directly to someones bank / atm?
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> deposing in random people bank account from random convenient store...
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> kyc porn is on the seller side (he is the one with the bank account). Not my problem
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> So you dont care if the seller see's your face etc? (So full anonymity not required)
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BillyZane
well, in theory i could mail it with a fake address right? or no return address
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BillyZane
oh that's a good point ofrnxmr, but no i would not care tbh, unless i felt it was a sting or something, but i don't think this is illegal is it
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> yeah, that also work.
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> Assuming the mail system in your country work (in mine it have to be tracked mail else it automaticaly vanish in postman pocket)
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BillyZane
it would be nice if there were monero ATM machines that accept cash and send to a given address
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> There's a monero atm project, but thats more of an automated market maker
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BillyZane
or it might be possible to buy bitcoin from a bitcoin ATM and swap with monero
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> You can buy xmr from some atms
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BillyZane
it looks like there is a bitcoin ATM but it is kyc
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BillyZane
tbh i do not think monero ATM would be legal
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Usually / sometimes only kyc > 1000$
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BillyZane
i think for a long time XMR was challenged wasn't it?
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Ive seen plenty of monero atms
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> A lot of the "btc" atms are btc/ltc/xmr
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BillyZane
and they do not require ID?
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BillyZane
i just realized something
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BillyZane
maybe i should just get paid in XRP
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Lololol wut
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Xrp is a joke/scam/trash
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BillyZane
or sorry, XMR right
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> ripple is the one true cryptocurrency, that's what IBM told me
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> IBM invented the PC and where too dump to protect it so yeah, could be true
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> But in the same time lets praise IBM for the open platform we enjoy since four decades
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BillyZane
brb
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BlueyHealer
When it comes to online ordering, I usually just order to the store's physical office and pay in cash upon reception.
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BlueyHealer
Also you're lucky to have ATMs, the only Bitcoin ATMs we have here are fully KYC :(
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m-relay
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m-relay
<basses:matrix.org> mission failed
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m-relay
<lozingsjj3883:matrix.org> what’s this new haveno update, it disabled trades until i update, but haveno-reto repo has no update lol
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k4r4b3y
👀
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Lol
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m-relay
<lozingsjj3883:matrix.org> someone help me
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nioCat
there is a haneno channel
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nioCat
also haveno
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m-relay
<lozingsjj3883:matrix.org> i know but it’s dead
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m-relay
<lozingsjj3883:matrix.org> this is more active
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nioCat
it's active, that's where the drama was earlier today :D
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m-relay
<lozingsjj3883:matrix.org> okay, i’ll go check
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m-relay
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k4r4b3y
🫂
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m-relay
<lozingsjj3883:matrix.org> that’s the update?
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Reto builds, if u trust me (i made no changes, just rebased to latest)
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes, but not released by reto
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m-relay
<lozingsjj3883:matrix.org> okay, thank you!
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k4r4b3y
ofrn should start his own liq pool for haveno
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Reto is waiting to add /change an arbitrator before pushing their update
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I should just start a network
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k4r4b3y
ofrncoin
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "ofrnxmr - by anon"
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k4r4b3y
"join or die" should've been the haveno liquidity motto from day 0
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nioCat
call the network morono
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nioCat
or maybe moreno
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k4r4b3y
nioCat: more like ohnono
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> Oreno
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nioCat
moeno
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nioCat
the possibilities are endless
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nioCat
we need a poll
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k4r4b3y
and a drama
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nioCat
ofc
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k4r4b3y
I need to "call out" "bad behavior"
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> moreofrn
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> keepofrnxmr
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k4r4b3y
pampeeet
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nioCat
moreofrn, is that even possible lol
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i should try
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nioCat
yes try and pump it ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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m-relay
<umask777:decred.org> no pamp only pain
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JoBbZ
Anyone have instructions for accessing a V1 wallet via the gui wallet?
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> V1 meaning an old monero wallet?
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JoBbZ
yeah
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Restore from keys
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> What do you have, a wallet file, seed, keys?
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JoBbZ
I have the word set to unlock the wallet
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JoBbZ
but it doesn't work in the current GUI version
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> try cli
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> `./monero-wallet-cli --restore-from-seed`
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JoBbZ
i enter it, then it prompts for seed continued:
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JoBbZ
if I pass it in via the electrum-seed option, it fails because it's not 25
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JoBbZ
ok think I found a different way to get the info
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JoBbZ
ok got it, had to use the github XMR address generator
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plowsof
a V1 wallet with pre ring ct outputs?
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JoBbZ
whatever the 13 word ones were
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> bro's gonna open his wallet and discover 6 million dollars
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k4r4b3y
🗿
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plowsof
did monreo ever have 13 word seeds or is this mymonero
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> maybe this is mymonero seed
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JoBbZ
mymonero
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> mymonero
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Did you try to restore in mymonero
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> They still use 13 word
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JoBbZ
I've got it restoring now into the GUI
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plowsof
did you use moneroexamples or detherminals script
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JoBbZ
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JoBbZ
6 million I wish...
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> I don't wish. I have them and actively use them to hurt monero project
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k4r4b3y
based
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plowsof
oh, so simple, if luigi1111 is still around after all those years i think he would appreciate someone still using it to this day!
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plowsof
the certs are even still working, wow
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luigi1111
wow
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JoBbZ
although I do wish I'd bought more when it was $5/coin
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plowsof
what the ^^^^
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k4r4b3y
whew lad
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k4r4b3y
JoBbZ: sir
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Was $5 in like 2018
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Like $30 in 2020
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m-relay
<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (pulling numbers out of my ..)
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JoBbZ
Um lemme see
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JoBbZ
2016
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nioCat
50 cents ?
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geonic
get poor or die tryin
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Felonious_Jones
I will take unwanted XMR, it's a dead currency anyway just offload it on me and I'll dispose of them for you