<s​iren:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/FGGKkWJFjzuTcPhqTvIgjtAv

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I guess this will do

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Will it also support building an L2 for Monero? Assuming it supports payment channels, it should.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> This has been possible on Ethereum already.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Xrc-20 ?

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Sure! Thank you

<m​azz:matrix.org> are there any P2P/OTC channels on element?

<v​tnerd:monero.social> [@dave.jp:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@dave.jp:matrix.org)whats the best method? do people prefer flatp/snap or just a .deb?

<v​tnerd:monero.social> *flatpak

<v​tnerd:monero.social> I could also create a docker account and publish that I suppose

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Use github to push docker images

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Or run harbor

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Flatpak

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> please also offer a .deb

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> Is FCMP development on schedule or it is just in theory

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Not 100% sure but it is on-schedule

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I'd check Luke Parker's monerotopia talks to see the latest updates

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I plan to finish my libs by EOM.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Some specific PCN designs thanks to transaction chaining. It doesn't allow conditional payments.

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> For fcmp++?

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Yes dave.jp:

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> That doesn't mean integration will be finished. Just is the next milestone on the list

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Any estimated time for integration and testnet ?

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I'd hope a month or two but I'm not the best person to ask dave.jp:

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Has the math already been audited ?

<b​asses:matrix.org> Why is HavenoReto bad?

<b​asses:matrix.org> saw this tweet xcancel.com/chaserxy/status/1860146955600691650#m

<b​asses:matrix.org> HavenoReto is now RetroSwap btw

<b​asses:matrix.org> RetoSwap*

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> Just curious, the biggest problem about p2p is the risk of receiving questionable fund like money from scam and credit card fraud. Anyone seller on anonymous p2p should expect their bank account burned pretty soon, how is that possible to maintain a stable amount of professional sellers without kyc?

Selling for cash?

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> dave.jp: Multiple parts have been, currently scheduling the next step of review and proofs. The impl will be ready for auditing once my libs are done and the relevant security proofs are done (with review).

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> I think a lot of transactions are still done through banking system

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> You can see the research CCS for the status of that.

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> The risk sellers have is really huge, and I am pretty surprised many haveno trader is only asking for a 5% premium

I am surprised how they'te operating without being forced to KYC customers, unike exchanges...

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> This is how I feel, unless you are professional money laundering group. It makes no sense to accept unknown source of fund everyday. Police will definitely knock your door someday, and only thing you get is probably several thousands of dollar every month

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> We need to created Local Circles where people can trade with confidence. Vegans hold potlucks every month where people get to know each other. We can have some kind of Blockchain Enthusiasts Group meetups. People can get to know each other. Haveno should have a feature that allows traders to add each other on their trusted list. So when we meet people in our local circle, we will<clipped message>

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> add them as trusted and trade with them on Haveno.

But if those meetups get any big and noticeable, I am afraid police would shut them down...

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> No, they won't. They will not be Monero meetups. We will call them something like Blockchain Talk Groups or something. People need to come only once and we will add them to a whitelist.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Also, in most countries policemen accept bribes in crypto. They are very eager to find buyers too!

speaking of policemen, this all sounds suspicious / illegal

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Systems like this sound ideal, but if they can be infiltrated, they will be compromised. The mafia required a Sicilian lineage for 'friends of ours' to gain security clearance. However, it clearly didn't work because moles can get through easily.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> We will take steps to keep the people's identity private. They won't need to disclose name etc.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> What will likely happen in the case of Haveno Reto is that sellers who deal with large amounts will be pressured by whoever governs them to obtain a money transmitting license, report all transactions, and request KYC information when dealing with higher transaction amounts.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> The volume and liquidity are currently not high enough to warrant any government attention.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Then I will run an instance of Haveno.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Instances themselves are not the problem; rather, it is the sellers who are. They will receive either bank statements or online statements, regardless of which avenue they use. Unfortunately, this approach won't help them evade the government.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> The local meetups will facilitate bankless transactions.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Cash @ doorstep or pickup.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> How do I know this? Several P2P DEXes/CEXes that I've used, including Bisq, Paxful, Robosats, and most others, have ended up being regulated. To date, only AMM DEXes have been able to facilitate swaps without requiring KYC and with theoretically unlimited amounts.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> We are not interested in other DEX'. We are Monero. We are built to be censorship resistant.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> An AMM DEX is being built for Monero as we speak :)

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> That is fine. That will allow us to profit from movement in other currencies like BCH.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Not exactly as stated, but it will indeed support Monero, and is currently the only one that doesn't include BSX.

Bisq was regulated?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Bisq itself is not regulated, but many of its sellers are, which is what I meant by that statement.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> That is fine. Monero is open to all. There is no discrimination based on religion, qualification, nationality, gender, race etc. Everyone is free to build.

ah

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> @chaser:monero.social Care to elaborate?

At least big-volume KYC sellers could work for businesses after all the delistings) I do now wonder whether the smaller, people-oriented ones would be using alts.

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> I think bisq has a punishment for seller requires kyc?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Only if the seller doesn't specify they require KYC, if I remember right.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Additionally, this will finally provide conclusive proof if the price of Monero is indeed being suppressed or not.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> By adding a completely new liquidity channel with no restrictions whatsoever, including UI/UX, and leveraging the Uniswap V2 x = yz model, arbitrage opportunities that facilitate true price discovery will finally be available.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Bots that we're currently running on ETH can be ported to Serai with a few tweaks, of course.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> What this means is that with the launch of Serai, instant liquidity will be available in large quantities - particularly for ETH/SRI and XMR SRI.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> What this means is that with the launch of Serai, instant liquidity will be available in large quantities - particularly for ETH/SRI and XMR/SRI.

What is even the point of ETH with its huge gas fees?

customer lock-in

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> BlueyHealer, we run bots that execute thousands of transactions on ETH L2s every day (OP and ARB). Fees are currently 10x lower than XMR transactions at around $0.0005. ETH L1 is also relatively low-cost nowadays, but most activity is not occurring there.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Also, it's worth noting that this is extremely cheap, considering we're writing to smart contracts.

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> i was right xmr scam price stay same fuck you monerobull SCAMMER

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> your money go to 0 HAHAHAHHA

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> btcoin 100k xmr soon 0 dollar dont buy SHIT COIN SCAM

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> inflation bug is exploited by botnet miners and xmr not private anymoe with key image triangulation HAHAH monerobull fuck you scammer

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> SCAM techleaks24.substack.com/p/a-deep-dive-on-monero-tracing SCAM

<c​haser:monero.social> * they can't comprehend that 0% fees enable faking the volume and price manipulation without any bound. I chatted with one of their members for an hour about this and their conclusion was "gotta take opportunity, zero fee good". meanwhile they stunt on Twitter about their volume and whenever a price happens to be above CEX prices :D

<c​haser:monero.social> * they can't write sentences resembling proper English, not even with the help of a AI writing assistant (yes, they use one).

<c​haser:monero.social> * signs of poor management in general, e.g. they rebranded out of the blue and then announced the rebrand 3 days later.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Interesting, I didn't even know Reto had zero percent fees until now. Thanks for letting me know.

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> read techleaks24.substack.com/p/a-deep-dive-on-monero-tracing

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> read techleaks24.substack.com/p/a-deep-dive-on-monero-tracing

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> DO NOT BUY XMR SCAM COIN DO NOT BUY BOTNET, FLUFFYPONY MINED 1M XMR AND SELLING INTO TARI monerobull SCAMMER!

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> RETO IS FLUFFY, PONY SCAM

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Fucking clown

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Banhammer:

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> FUCK YOU I REPORT UR DOMAIN DRUG DEALER ENABLER

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I'm pretty sure techleaks was the person shilling Dero, which was vulnerable. However, after kayabanerve found a critical vulnerability (which still has not been fixed), it appears that techleaks lost all his money and is now spreading a smear campaign against Monero. All these points have already been addressed.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Please let us know where is tue drug deal we'll be happy to take them down.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Please let us know where is the drug deal we'll be happy to take them down.

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> fuck you cia fbi agent fuck you

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> MONERO IS SCAM AND TRACBLE

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> STOP LIEING

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Please let us know where is the drug dealers we'll be happy to take them down.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> What the hell is wrong with you?

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> monerobull: BANNED ME FROM REDDIT FUCKING SCAM

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> I wonder why.

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> dont talk drug dealer

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Okay, but that doesn't warrant such extreme behavior. Why not just create a new account on Reddit?

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> LISTEN TO ME FUCKING SCAM FUCK YOU XMR = SCAM DO NOT BUY OR TAKE THIS PROJECT SCAMMER

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Days without drama : 0

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Englighten me. Why do people think Monero is a scam?

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> I WAS HERE long time ago AND I TOL DMONEROBULL FUCKING MOD SHIT SCAMMER THAT XMR GO TO 0 BECAUSE INFLATION BUG THIS IS WHY THE PRICE IS THE SAME. FLUFFYPONY SCAMMER USE INFLATION BUG TO SELL 1 MILLION MONERO AND MORE

<b​asses:matrix.org> jealousity

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I've never, in my entire life, seen anyone act this way.

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> FUCK YOU AGENT GLOWIE

<c​haser:monero.social> worse, I suspect this wasn't even the Reto team's original idea. there is another network (won't name them) that tried to gain market share by announcing they will have zero fees when they soon launch, and I think Reto saw that and just went "they will outcompete us, we'll have to do the same!"

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Does this other network start with the letter A? I'm pretty sure they copied some things from Reto.

<c​haser:monero.social> it does. and yes, their website is almost a complete copy of Reto's

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> www.moneroinflation.com

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Monero is not a scam, and its price is influenced by other factors. If you're not trolling, please calm down and look into #monero-markets:monero.social for discussion on why the price might be stable when everything else is going up.

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> no fuck you fbi agent i know xmr traceable and fluffy SOLD ALL OF IT

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> WHERE IS FLUFFY? WHERE IS MONEROBULL FUCKI SCAMMER!

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Monero is open to all. Scammers too! Try your luck! 😉

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> get out now

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> GET OUT OF MONERO

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> BUY ANY OTHER COIN MONERO IS SCAM AND ALL AGENTS WILL GET U

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> @banhammer:matrix.org

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> FUCK YOU FUCK OFRNXMR SCAMMER MONEROBULL SCAMMER SERVERS.GURU DRUG DEALER

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> you said provide liquidity wen serai goes live? DO NOT PROVIDE LIQUIDITY. SERAI IS RUG PULL. GO SOMEWHERE ELSE

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> Bro did you get liquidation when longing monero? You should really see a psychiatrist

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> It's odd how every time I mention providing liquidity or doing something positive for Monero, a troll seems to come out of nowhere and start spamming the chat.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Ok.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Heyy

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> This has happened before on the same home server.

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> NO I TRY TO SAVE U FROM MONERO SCAM

<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> bruh moment

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> SCMAMER

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> xmrscott plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Probably

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> FUCK YOU SCAMMER

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> My dm's are open bebe

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> SERAI SCAM LOOK INTO CODE IT HAVE STEALER CRYPTO AND RUG PULL

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> FLUFFY BUILT SERAI FUCKING SCAMMER

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And my onlyfans is free

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> All your information is wrong.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> I doubt if agent's really want to get me. I am very poor, vegan and don't participate in any unmindful activities. I don't think they will waste their resources on me.

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Fluffy isn’t in scene for almost half a decade, get your info updated

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> HE IS BEHIND THE SCENE FUCKING SCAMMER TARI MONEY LAUNDERING FROM MONERO SCAM AND SERAI FINAL OPERATION TO TAKE DOWN MONERO WATH AND SEE

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Feel free to point to that specific code

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Wrong

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> 😂

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I built serai, stupid

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> FUCK YOU PARTICL CEX SCAMMER FUCK YOU CCS SCAMMER

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Fluffy hangs out with cool bitcoin and that kids, doesn’t have time for trenches

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Fluffy hangs out with cool bitcoin and yay kids, doesn’t have time for trenches

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You you want a job?

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Yat*

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> How will Tari take down Monero?

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> NO I WILL MAKE BILLIONS FROM XMR GO TO 0 AND FUCK monerobull SHIT FUCKER

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I need a mule to bring me drugs across the border

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Slowly then suddenly

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> xmrscam0dollars do you want to helolp me with that?

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> watch fluffypony use inflation bug to steal XMR AND THEN serai to TAKE ALL XMR SUPPLY THEN PUT INTO TARI TO WITHDRAW because NO CEX TAKE FUCKING XMR SCAM

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> I see.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Why are you hating on monerobull so much?

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> HE BANNED ME FROM REDDIT AND DELETE POSTS AND FUCK HIM I HOPE MONERO.TOWN FUCK DOWN AGAIN

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Is this about Reddit?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Where are the mods when we need them 🙃

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> just remember my word serai rug dont give money ok

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ok

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> No, I'm not listening to you. Please stop now.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> is xmr the scam or something / someone else, im confused

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> fuc kyou lose all your money fucking fbi agent fucker

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> xmr THE SCAM THAT WILL GO TO 0

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Yes. It is built to rug hedge funds.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Same person from yesterday

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Mental

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> YES YOU UNDERSTAND

<x​mrscam0dollars:crossbach.de> googlemozilla: SEE NEVR GIVE

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Yes zero is inevitable

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 4 zeros*

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Aw! He got banned. Would have liked to know what brings out such behaviour.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> What's the point of doing this? I'm pretty sure most people here are familiar with Monero, so this trolling seems out of place.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its just to waste contributors time

"when a cat has nothing to do, he licks his balls"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> To ruin plowsof's beauty rest

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> If you wanted to do that, using bots would be a better approach. This is simply one person doing some shit posting.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> they use bots

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monerogoingto0 used like 30 bots and impersonated ppl

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> How weird.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Servers.guru hater made like 1000 accounts and spammed nazi videos

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I guess someone lost money shorting.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Then reported monero.social for hosting nazi material

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nah. Its just trolls

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> anyone naming ofrn, mbll, servers.guru in the same sentence is someone who is here often and paying attention

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Probably an employee for a 3 letter agency who's job it is to wake plowsof up and tire him out

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Why bring up fluffypony? All of this information is outdated.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> normal monero trolls, use telegram

By the way, that is one of the reasons why Matrix concerns me! It means that even if you're the only person on your server, it may still end up storing Nazi material or similarly awful things :(

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I'm just going to ignore that troll home server.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> going into any community and trolling is normal behaviour sadly. pick any view point that the group will be annoyed wiht (even if it goes against what you actually believe) and cause as much fuss as you can with as little effort / research as possible

I usually think about the storage requirements (my VPS has a small disk), but this would've been uneasy even with huge storage...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> but you have to make sure to do it when you think plowsof is sleeping

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So you do it at a different time each day

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Looking for the window when mkd coverage is low

plowsof, that wasn't the point. I was saying that a copy of the horrid media will be saved on every participating homeserver...

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I haven't seen this level of trolling in any other crypto community. No one is actively making bots, posting nazi content and trying to get people to not provide liquidity. At worst I've seen maybe some rage bait posts on Bitcoin channels.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> that even happens on git, bluey

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we deserve better. no one will surpass 24/25. he was punctual and dependable. same time, every day and he has the longest record

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I haven't seen this level of trolling in any other crypto community. No one is actively making bots, posting nazi content and trying to get people to not provide liquidity. At worst I've seen maybe seen some rage bait posts on Bitcoin channels.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 24/25 the best

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Setna very high standard

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> A solid 8-12hrs of dms per day

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> A new account everyday

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> For _months_

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i could set my alarm 5 mins prior to his arival and pretend like i wasn't here while we all enjoyed several minutes of his time. truly fun for the whole family

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I need to catch up on my lore.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Asking the same support question, every single day

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I haven't seen this level of trolling in any other crypto community. No one is actively creating bots, posting Nazi content, or trying to get people not to provide liquidity. At worst, I've only seen some rage bait posts on Bitcoin channels.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Why?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> siren created a bot to commemorate his contributions

On Git? You mean Monero's own Git or also other Monero-related projects?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> To drag us away from work

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Had he lost money buying Monero futures?

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Keep the buzz

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He just wanted to know if he could restore his monero wallet using his 24 word ledger seed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Everyday 🙃

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Was 24/25 the person behind the persistent spam about restoring their seed, and were they claiming that Monero developers had a backdoor?

<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> you can, right?

<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> you put monero on a ledger, you should be able to restore it with the ledger seed?

<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> if not, what good is a ledger device?

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> LOL🤣

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, they just asked us to yhe same question, followed up bt

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "are you sure?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> please tell me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> sir, i need to know the truth"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "is possible or not possible sir???"

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Incredible.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> For like.. 5 months straight

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Asked in like 4 diff rooms from a new acct each day. Dedication like no other

<3​21bob321:monero.social> PTSD

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I should unprivate it lol

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I had to set it to private because I was applying for some jobs

<a​mmortel:monero.social> Sorry for off topic : What is zcoin in comparison to fino please?

<a​mmortel:monero.social> Firo

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> That was our latest marketing campaign

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Glad you noticed.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Wait for black Friday it will be huge.

<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> image.png

<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/dTBYwmJeqaDQqSuImXAzQjZe

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> 🤣🤣🤣

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Seems like a goal.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> I'd love to have boobies as customers numbers.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Your age is showing :D

Hello

Hi, question how do you handle the G value in code? I have seen that G is used in the public spend key expression D = B + m*G

Is it just a constant I can hard code in a file?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yes

hello

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> how long will it take to sync with a new light wallet? I think because 'birthday' is new it will be a short sync time?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> How long ago did you create the wallet?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> If it is very new then it will take little time to sync

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Because lower number of outputs to scan

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> right! that is what I thought, thank you

<f​eli10101:matrix.org> Thanks

<f​eli10101:matrix.org> Thanks

<g​abe0776:matrix.org> guys what is an android monero wallet you recommend?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Getmonero.org/downloads

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Cake/monerujo/stack

<b​ast6:matrix.org> Hi guys,

<b​ast6:matrix.org> Is there a way to have hidden wallets in Monero GUI? In Trezor Suite, all wallets are hidden, so you could have 5 decoy wallets and one “real” one, so you could get a reasonable chance to survive the infamous $5 wrench attack. In Monero GUI, however, and AFAIK, I can see all the wallets from the menu (and I think they can be found on the computer itself, but not sure). If I ha<clipped message>

<b​ast6:matrix.org> d a lot of Moneros (which I don’t, for now), anyone could come to my place with a gun and force me to open all my wallets. With Bitcoin on Trezor Suite, they can’t know how many wallets I have; with Monero GUI it’s plain there in open view.

<b​ast6:matrix.org> Is there a way to make them hidden so I could only access them with a passphrase like in Trezor, or some other way?

<b​ast6:matrix.org> If Monero is to gain traction, at some point people will trade with people around them, and not all of those are good people. Having multiple decoy wallets seems like a good way to prevent trouble…

<b​ast6:matrix.org> I like Monero a lot, and people in the community keep saying that Monero is better than Bitcoin because with Bitcoin any bad actor can trace your wallets, but I still can’t see how we can really be safe unless we are able to have safe multiple hidden decoy wallets.

<b​ast6:matrix.org> Can it be done? If so, can it be done in Monero GUI? Any other way? How to get maximum protection against such an attack, considering that at some point people should be able to trade with people they know in “real” life?

<b​ast6:matrix.org> Thanks!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'd recommend using feather wallet in portable mode, and using a passphrase/seed offset

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and disabling the setting that remembers your wallets

<b​lurt4949:matrix.org> bast6: You could also make an account with a very high index in one of the wallets

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Hiding other Bitcoin wallets with an extra seed word is misleading and far from secure. People have still been robbed using this method after CEXes or other data like Ledger has been leaked. Addresses are still publicly viewable, giving them a false sense of security.