<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> real_salix best to ask in its room. UnstoppableSwap GUI

<j​ay_edwards:matrix.org> What is benefit between the atomic and regular swap?

<k​ey_brolin:matrix.org> If you wanna swap some other crypto to Monero, there are services like Trocador, Exolix, simpleswap and others, no registration is required.

A regular swap is sending your coins to a completely unknown stranger and hoping they don't just steal your coins but send you back the coins you want instead

Atomic swap is two people doing transactions in parallel in a way making it impossible to cheat. No trust involved

A world of a difference where it could make sense to invent a new word for "atomic swap" NOT including the word "swap" because that's burned in a way

<4​rkal:monero.social> Fundraiser for hosting the Monero archive for one more year! kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/yg9f

<b​asses:matrix.org> There's librejo.monerodevs.org which is actually Monero only archive, your instance happens to also host Monero official projects whilst hosting other projects

<4​rkal:monero.social> Does it have an onion address? Also is it only me or does it take ages to load?

<b​asses:matrix.org> SyntheticBird onion address sir wen?

<b​asses:matrix.org> and yes it is indeed slow, need to get fixed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its only 1.2xmr. Donate ya cheapasses

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Oh I haven't checked the server rebooted recently. The onion address should have been working

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Max this weekend onion address up

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I2p too?

<o​hchase:envs.net> Am I understanding correctly that the monero lmdb database does not actually use the hash key in the block_heights sub database any further?

<o​hchase:envs.net> Not too familiar with lmdb, but looks like the dupsort flags make it so we compare based on the value now? I'm asking because, I was working to get a rust lang heed wrapper built and when I iterate the key's of block_heights I'm seeing they're all zero keys ([0u8; 8]). For sub database's without hashes as the key, I can successfully query and find as expected?

<o​hchase:envs.net> woops there is a dev group ignore

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Sure I'll investigate I need to find or make an apparmor policy for i2pd

<b​inarybaron:matrix.org> Not yet but that’s in the works. For now you’ll have to use the command line interface

<b​inarybaron:matrix.org> It can but you'll have to run a seperate tor daemon. We are working on integrated support for running on an onion service which will be available soon.

<b​asses:matrix.org> simplex.chat/blog/20241125-servers-…decentralization-for-all-users.html

<b​asses:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/UdTvWtdaIwJbvkQAbaxmXjoR

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Seems down, aye. librejojyvetb6pwx3r23yigq5eeuwhhev2vm5hkfomhgdn7g4xpx3ad.onion

Revuo Monero Issue 219: November 21 - 28, 2024. revuo-xmr.com/weekly/issue-219

<1​7e:matrix.org> Is the monero community generally against BTC or is that unrelated? I'm asking because the BTC community seems to be generally against every other crypto.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> AFAIK the main narrative is that Bitcoin has no privacy features and has scalability issues

Well, it is an open book. Using it makes your business incredibly public.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> So 'generally' against BTC, I would say yes

It's not a scam though. So it places it in the "OK" category.

<1​7e:matrix.org> Why though? Yea it's not privacy first. But it's the best asset in terms of storing value. Not sure if I'm saying it right in english.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Are you talking about in terms of the market price?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It has a 10% premine :P and a cult of ppl who lost the narrative

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I personally do not have insight on the technical side behind BTC, only Monero <-- that is my own fault

AFAIK it's not a premine, just nobody much bothered with it, but some did.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Monero cold storage is fine, will get much better with FCMP++

bitcoin is a privacy disaster and it has scalability 'issues' like any other cryptocurrency.

I believe monero's scalability 'issues' are even worse than bitcoin's

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> 17e I think another thing is that there is a lot of 'cryptobro' stuff around BTC (price-related things) which might detract more idealistic people

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> There are many idealists here

<1​7e:matrix.org> I'm talking about its traits which makes it perfect to store and exchange money. Like its limitedness. As far as I know its possible to hide your identity well enough.

<1​7e:matrix.org> I value privacy a lot. But monero won't ever be as good as an asset like BTC. I think that they offer different serve different things rather be competitive.

bitcoin is not an asset - it's a payment system

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Welcome mannp ⚡️

<1​7e:matrix.org> Thats the opposite of my research.

<b​asses:matrix.org> cryptocurrencies tier list when?

Are there even enough non-memecoins for that?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> xmr, btc and btc forks, eth and evm chains

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats like 3 whole categories

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> Hi all, is it possible to buy coins from directly with in the Monero gui app?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> No its not possible from the official Monero GUI one, for various reasons, ranging from ethics to lack of development force. If you're searching for a desktop wallet offering swap services you can check out either Stack Wallet, or Cake Wallet.

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> I see, thanks for the quick response. No, not looking for that, I have a monerod node synced and an account created great on my ledger, now I just need some coins 🙂

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> I am in the UK and the last purchase I tried it said the UK was not supported. So I guess my question is, is there a preferred way to purchase the coins here.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Buy another coin

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We have lot of folks from UK that suffered from delists. Ultimately the best (and most friendly way) is to buy another coin then swap. Litecoin is preferable for cheap fees and fast confirmation time

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like ltc. Then swap it into xmr using trocador.app, tradeogre.com, basicswapdex

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is assuming you have a KYC account with the exchange already

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> after you have some xmr, you can use haveno to buy more, directly (p2p)

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> I see okay. I always disliked the multiple coin way, as you get 2 lots of fees, but if that's the way then okay.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Hopefully with time and ongoing project the UX will be refined.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the fees arent bad. If it "says" 158/xmr, but you pay 165.. then 165 is the value :)

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> I am going to swap to the cli when I have things worked out. Just installed to get a view of things first.

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> I was reading that the cake android app might work connected to my node. Is the true or I misread..

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I don't see why not

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Just specify the connection to your node's network location

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> Would that allow me to buy coins direct, or still Litecoin then exchange

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you mean using cake wallet?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Im not sure, If I remember you can buy XMR directly but with huge fees

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The spread is high on haveno, basicswap etc too

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not easy to get xmr at "spot" price, anywhere

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Even cex have big-ish fees to buy with fiat

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> Not really, I have a wallet with monero app on my ledger

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mhm this conversation confuses me

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> I guess some Litecoin and then exchange using my ledger wallet sounds the way to go then

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Serai is going to blast xmr to space for real

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> Me too. Not trying to confuse, just trying to clarify things

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "Exchange using ledger" is the confusing part

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you're fine im just tired (1 am)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ledger is a hardware wallet, not a swapper

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) its 9pm here

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think he wants to receive his monero directly into his hardware wallet without a software one as intermediary

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro lives UTC

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> The monero app creates a wallet directly on the ledger.

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> So buy Litecoin and then exchange giving the monero wallet address (which happens to be on the ledger)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i'd exchange to a non-ledger address

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Then send to the ledger. But thats just me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Some attacks to breaking cryptography requires knowledge of the ledgers addresses

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> It's a feature of the monero app, that it create the wallet on the ledger. Is that hardware or software, either way, I'll check out some lightcoin, or see if the store I use use Litecoin 🙂 (just kidding)

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> As I mentioned, the monero gui creates its software address on the ledger. There is no separate app on the ledger like there is for etherium or bitcoin

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> There is a Monero app on-ledger

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> installable via the ledger desktop?

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> there is, installed by the monero app.

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> happy to be corrected, as this is what I have found so far

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Installable by the Ledger software, yes.

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> ledger.com/coin/wallet/monero

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> Installed via the monero gui

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> A Monero app is installable with Ledger Live. You can't use Ledger Live to send/receive.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> You do need to use another wallet, such as the Monero GUI wallet, but the on-device app is installable via Ledger Live.

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> any other info as my ledger desktop says to connect the monero gui top the ledger

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> ... to install the Monero app or to use it with Monero?

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> neither, how to install the monero app with only the ledger live app

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> ???

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> you said you can install the monero app with just the ledger live app

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> I am asking how?

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> You install it as you install any plugin, such as Bitcoin or Ethereum?

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> LL has a standard interface to install new apps?

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> There isn't one.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> There is one, which I can confirm because I have it on my old one. I don't know if you never noticed as it's optional but there is one.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> (Or if it's alternatively installable via the Monero GUI, I honestly have no idea)

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> Okay, if you have links then great, as everything I found on Ledger, needed the monero app to send the ledger app to the ledger.

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> I have it all working fine, I was just asking the best way to purchase some coins 🙂

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> > Step by step

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Install the Monero app

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Open My Ledger in Ledger Live.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Connect and unlock your Ledger device.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> If asked, allow My Ledger on your device.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Find Monero in the app catalog.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Click the Install button of the app.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> An installation window appears.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Your device will display Processing...

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> The app installation is confirmed.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Make sure you close Ledger Live once the app is successfully installed on your device

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> Can I create a Monero account with Ledger Live?

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> No, unfortunately, Ledger Live does not support creating Monero accounts for the moment.

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> Instead, you can safely create a Ledger Monero account with your Ledger device and the Monero GUI. More on this below.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> > A Monero app is installable with Ledger Live. You can't use Ledger Live to send/receive.

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> Can I create a Monero account with Ledger Live?

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> No, unfortunately, Ledger Live does not support creating Monero accounts for the moment.

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> Instead, you can safely create a Ledger Monero account with your Ledger device and the Monero GUI. More on this below.

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> ```

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> > You do need to use another wallet, such as the Monero GUI wallet, but the on-device app is installable via Ledger Live.

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> Okay we'll have to agree to disagree, thanks though

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> btw none of your written text is on the page you linked, it seems to be from the general install info, not for monero

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I AM the general install info and I disagree

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> see, i disagree

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> ??

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> ??

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ??

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ??

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> No, unfortunately, Ledger Live does not support creating Monero accounts for the moment.

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> This is what you disagree with?

is there a xmr hardware wallet?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ??

i seem to recall one a few years back, very much DIY but it reminded me of the coldcard devices

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> Seems the docs are out of date then, as its on ledgers site

<m​annp:mannuk.rocks> ??