anyone can point me towards a monero invite?

***can

<k​ey_brolin:matrix.org> good idea, btw. swapspace, houdini swap, exolix are also good

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> Anybody like the idea of a kyc monero exchange but allows very low fee of swapping to stable coin and fiat on/off ramp?

KYC? Hell no.

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> From my personal experience is p2p market when doing fiat cashout, except for cash by mail, any form of online transaction contains huge risk of somehow involved in money laundering

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> And cause bank to be frozen

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> This is really annoying

Doing KYC for crypto for me is unacceptable - the sensitive documents may leak and you have no protection in this case. Also with crypto's legally gray status, you retroactively open yourself to danger if it is ever criminalized.

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> That is true, but how can you cash out? Do you just swap to another accepted coin and sell it on cex?

CEXes are also KYC and are the same thing.

IDK how these people stay safe, maybe some use "drops" to register account.

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> It is ok to use that for small amount, if for using big amount what are you going to do, if your bank account get frozen? You cannot unlock it since you are not the legal owner

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> did rottenwheel just deleted his account or ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he left all channels, including dm

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "First time?"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He's left at least 20 channels of mine

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Chats**

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> did he leave the revuo room? or irc 🙃

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> huh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> am i dreaming? or he deleted Revuo room ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> looks like he left irc too

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh nevermind. Yes he left Revuo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Check monerospace twitter 🙃

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Any admins left?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah rottenwheel:unredacted.org

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if that HS exists, than the room is not dead

<b​asses:matrix.org> did I miss some happening?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> OFRNXMR IS HARASSING ME

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> CALL THE CORE TEAM!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Confirmed

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Gl with that

<d​ufebo98:monero.social> techleaks24.substack.com/p/a-deep-dive-on-monero-tracing

<d​ufebo98:monero.social> How did the Monero community think about this article?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> deja vu

<d​ufebo98:monero.social> key image analysis will seriously harm the privacy of Monero, won’t it?

This article use "key image" term in the wrong way. And it doesn't introduce anything new that wasn't discussed in the Breaking Monero series

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - written by techleaks24, a dero shiller that went crazy when a monero contributor reported a critical vulnerability in his favorite cryptocurrency.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - uneducated, sometimes wrong article

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - main statistical attacks quoted here are already known by the monero project/community and do not harm monero's privacy enough to not be number a number one priority issue to resolve.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - Next monero update (FCMP) will solve all these issues.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> some of these attacks are either corner cases (eae, janus) or plain massive attack requiring substantial amount of resources (black marble). Denying these attacks exist is stupid. Saying monero's privacy is in danger/weak is stupid too

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You forgot the part where he scammed kaya

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ah yes, the 10k$ is yet to be seen

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro basically told kayabanerve (the vuln reporter) that he was wrong. promised 10k$ if he managed to disclose amount of a specific dero address. Kayaba did in under 10min, techleaks24 proceeded to be a corward and say it was it was joke blah blah blah, no 10k$

Kuno to pay the dero's debt to kaya 😭

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> 10k DERO IIRC

<d​ufebo98:monero.social> Thank you very much for your explanation

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> always a pleasure

Doesn't it seem as if the main dev there is missing for quite a while already? github.com/CaptainDero

<b​asses:matrix.org> backdoor got exposed

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Gone fishing

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Still dont know why you would call a coin dero

<3​21bob321:monero.social> slang.com.au/d/derro

Interesting: It seems they reappeared October 13 with an assurance that they will implement a fix regarding privacy: x.com/Derolytics

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cringe

Compared with the drama over there Monero is downright boring.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tsmt

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rude, your boring

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'll try harder, rbrunner

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> AFAIK, techleaks24 is just rambling about black marbles (not understanding a user doesn't have to play the marble for it to be black, flooding is where you play marbles to ensure they're black) and chain reactions.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Chain reactions is literally MRL-0001.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> getmonero.org/resources/research-lab/pubs/MRL-0001.pdf

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> All of this has been discussed for years. The fact we don't engage with them, with their novel and inconsistent terminology, when they're a bad actor, doesn't mean we're covering it up. We've just extensively discussed it and don't need to engage in harassment.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Also, chain reactions are premised on a enormous amount of black marbles such that the decoy set is one legitimate marble and black marbles. If there's even two legitimate marbles, you're reverting to statistical analysis with metadata. With FCMPs, the membership set is defined as all marbles, which includes all legitimate marbles. So long as there's two honest users of Monero...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Disclaimer: if he pays the 10k dero, i may reconsider mud wrestling with him

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I want to see this

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i do too. But he's a scammer, so.. he'd probably cheat

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> To be explicitly clear: even if all already spent outputs were traced due to a chain reaction, the unspent outputs (and newly created outputs) would become the privacy set as of FCMP++s.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Github tracks unique visitors and cloners as well as referral links :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> kind of like that i do all of my git things over tor.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> If you invite someone to an organization, the owner/admins can see their IP address through the audit log

<3​21bob321:monero.social> crim

<f​eli10101:matrix.org> Hi, question, do you know of a kotlin library for making ED25519 scalar operations? I found this one (github.com/andreypfau/curve25519-kotlin) but I have not been able to find all the scalar functions.

<f​eli10101:matrix.org> Most of monero kotlin/java libraries have some part of the crypto dependencies in the original language (C++) or that is what I interpreted.