<a​noano4ch4:matrix.org> Hello, i'm not sure if i allowed to ask such questions, but my monerod for some reason syncs too slow.

<a​noano4ch4:matrix.org> I downloaded raw blockchain, imported it and trying to sync from 77%:

<a​noano4ch4:matrix.org> Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 2557988 -> 3319095 [Your node is 761107 blocks (2.9 years) behind]

<a​noano4ch4:matrix.org> 2025-01-06 05:07:25.373 I Synced 2558108/3319095 (77%, 760987 left)

<a​noano4ch4:matrix.org> 2025-01-06 05:07:57.643 I Synced 2558128/3319095 (77%, 760967 left, 0% of total synced, estimated 9.3 days left)

<a​noano4ch4:matrix.org> 2025-01-06 05:08:11.422 I Synced 2558148/3319095 (77%, 760947 left)

<a​noano4ch4:matrix.org> It just takes forever to sync. I tried to use tor proxy, my VPS vless proxy, or tunneling daemon with Netch through my VPS socks5 proxy, it still dramatically slow.

<a​noano4ch4:matrix.org> Has someone encountered such issue?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the vps ia probably using an hdd

<a​noano4ch4:matrix.org> well yeah i'm using hdd, it it a serious cap at the point that connection means nothing to it? I'll try to switch blockchain to SSD, ok, thanks!

<a​noano4ch4:matrix.org> well yeah i'm using hdd, is it a serious cap at the point that connection means nothing to it? I'll try to switch blockchain to SSD, ok, thanks!

<a​noano4ch4:matrix.org> Yep, process went much, much faster. HDD makes dramatically penalty to sync speed. Now it's syncing pretty fast with SSD. Thanks again.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Hello, yes HDD dramatically reduce syncing speed because they are optimized for sequential writing/reading, which is worst case scenario for LMDB (database) that monerod use, which requires random reading/writing.

<a​noano4ch4:matrix.org> Got it. Also, is it indented that near the end synchronization speed almost dies? 97% on SSD right now and from last couple of hours estimated time left stays around 2.8-3.1h.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> potentially. The time remaining is calculated based on the speed to sync the previous batch.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes it's perfectly normal

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> up to the very last blocks, monerod is syncing and comparing to an hash list

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> which is fast, since you don't have to verify

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the last 3% of blocks however, are completely verified by your node

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> up to around 90~95%, monerod is syncing and comparing to an hash list

<u​mask777:decred.org> you're also liable to kill the HDD itself

<u​mask777:decred.org> ask me how i know ;)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> how you know

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 👍️👍️👍️👍️👍️👍️👍️.

<u​mask777:decred.org> 😏

<a​shven:matrix.org> Hello brothers and sisters

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "Acceptance is different than real actual viable use. " btc actual use is 1:1 with xmr in a lot of places

<a​shven:matrix.org> People and businesses inclined to accept btc more than monero similar case for usdt

<a​shven:matrix.org> Acceptance is different than real actual viable use. Otherwise we wont see tron usdt spike in use. But that doesn’t represent the people of genuine economic use where monero can serve

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm not simple talking about who accepts, but about volume

What's even the point of USDT if it is entirely controlled by one company? Why is it a crypto in the first place??

<a​shven:matrix.org> But BTC is hindered by block activity for few people monero has better way for merchants activity

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Xmr is hindered by tx size and propogation + reorgs

<a​shven:matrix.org> This is because BTC network and market cap is very big it is the most liquid asset

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> At 7tps monero will face more challenges than btc currently does

<a​shven:matrix.org> Isn’t monero having dynamic block size similar to bch?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tx size matters, not just block size

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We can have 5mb blocks, but can we verify them fast enough? Can we propogate them fast enough?

<u​mask777:decred.org> randomx validation is also fairly expensive

<a​shven:matrix.org> Now i get it :(

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Don't listen to ofrnxmr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he is always wron g

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tx size don't matters

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Always always

<a​shven:matrix.org> But can you explain why previously btc and now bch can propagate transactions fast what do they have monero lack?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tx are 1/5th the size of monero's, and their logic for relaying is better

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nope sir

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BTC and BCH are lacking dandelion++

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> monero tx are intentionally slow to propagate

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero spams/floods the tx pool to peers and consumes a lot more bandwidth than necessary

<a​shven:matrix.org> There was proposal in bch ti introduce that

<a​shven:matrix.org> Hmm that make sense now

<a​shven:matrix.org> There was proposal in bch to introduce that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Solution issue for reference: monero-project/monero #9334

<a​shven:matrix.org> So its basically propagation and speed problems?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dandelion++ only effects the initial relaying (stem), but once its flooded/fluffed it becomes a bandwidth abuser

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats the one

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes. Uploading mbs to 10s or 100s of peers is intensive

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> only because you guys are using monerod and not cuprated 😏

<a​shven:matrix.org> A lot of info i have been using xmr for years now and never interacted with the community here :) thanks for the information

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> cuprate keeping secrets

<3​21bob321:monero.social> What's that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ASHVEN IS DAN ALT CONFIRMED

<a​shven:matrix.org> I see we are dealing with scaling issue in term of speed but thats still better than the problems BTC have on their shoes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monerod should have similar verification times unless monerod is broken and curate knows where and how

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah btc is happily caped at 7tps and 600ktx/day

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh yes single verification time is the same, but cuprate scale it horizontally very well.

<a​shven:matrix.org> I use monerod most people are at least my peers and others

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (i'd believe monerod is broken / not properly optimized)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate isnt released yet. Dont worry

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ((monerod is trying its best alright))

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> One more () and youd be a racist

<a​shven:matrix.org> Would be happy to use it if it is integrated with monero GUI

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i don't think it will happen anytime soon. That would be cool tho.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Also lmao most monero GUI users are gonna use pruned blockchain. Cuprate don't support that yet.

<a​shven:matrix.org> Just have two questions never diged deep enough to answer them maybe i can use some new fresh thoughts

<a​shven:matrix.org> 1- i already lived with the idea monero is for use not SoV because of non manually auditable supply

<a​shven:matrix.org> 2- menero Devolopment is not centralized as far as i know but what does regulate the development process making sure it is censorship resistant

<a​shven:matrix.org> Lol i give full blockchain 4tb ssd i use dedicated machine to be mining node

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 1. I use it as a store of value since it's stable af.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 2. monero development is super centralized lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plz communicate that to monerokon

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> elaborating on 2. The development is centralized, accepted by Core team which include as active members: Articmine, luigi1111. They have the github organization rights, general fund access and can place veto on community crowdfunding process.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> The main development work is done by paid developers/maintainers and free contributors

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lol why?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Read room

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We need to exit into un "stable coin"

<a​shven:matrix.org> Can you send that room i am new im matrix element

<a​shven:matrix.org> I think it doesn’t matter as long as. 1monero =1 monero aprrox.

<a​shven:matrix.org> This is why i also feat to store lots of monero because of inflation bug paranoia i have

<a​shven:matrix.org> This is why i also fear to store lots of monero because of inflation bug paranoia i have

<a​shven:matrix.org> But i love to use monero and mine at and i am dedicated for that since 2019

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #monerokon:matrix.org

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but also:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #cuprate:monero.social for Cuprate

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #monero-dev:monero.social for actual monero maintainers/dev

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #monero-community:monero.social for community crowdfunding

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #monero-research-lab:monero.social for theorical nerds doing their moon maths things

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #monero-research-lounge:monero.social same as lab but we can do shitposting

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #monero-offtopic:monero.social literally reddit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #no-wallet-left-behind:monero.social For development work towards the future of Monero

<a​shven:matrix.org> But i love to use monero and mine it and i am dedicated for that since 2019

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Technically luigo has merge power but he doesnt decide what gets merged on monro repo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Only on ccs

<a​shven:matrix.org> Thanks

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You forgot about binaryfate, he also has org rights/powers

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm not sure articmine does

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ah thx i knew i forgot someone but couldn't remember

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Artic stays uninvolved in the logistics

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so sad he don't talk about scalability for github organizations

<a​shven:matrix.org> As community should we concern about hijacking the project in different direction? Like BTC?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i don't understand your question

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, the devs are all community

<a​shven:matrix.org> I have seen some forks for monero luckily the community win

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We dont have any orgs trying to push bs, and if we did we have selsta to stop them 😁

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> every pull request has to be justified, approved, accepted by other community members

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Any valid oppositions usually means it wont be released

<a​shven:matrix.org> However for the nature of development centralization is not concern because we still have good people until now not like what happened to btc by blockstream and btc core

<a​shven:matrix.org> So as i thought its still decentrlized

<a​shven:matrix.org> 👍

<3​21bob321:monero.social> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1huzbo…andomx_full_mem1_when_running_nodes

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont think anybody has tested it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Benchmarked / compared it

<b​asses:matrix.org> ((cuprate)) ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (((wdym)))

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ((((yes ofrnxmr im racist now))))

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeep

<b​asses:matrix.org> thats a new level of racism btw

<3​21bob321:monero.social> What's the diff pros and cons ?

<b​asses:matrix.org> u mean WOW? it is a meme and anyone taking seriously have serious issues

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Erc20 would be so proud

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Cuprate is running in full mode iirc

"2025-01-06 20:12:15.1084 P2Pool Your wallet 48syci4YwcVGHKF4AF8HjLCmBafkeKc36S6TwzP21qTr3Xri9nowgbHbzZp7KDj7oEcJYZFe1kD4nVkThaF5NAYuFtu4CW1 didn't get a payout in block 3319598 because you had no shares in PPLNS window"

what does this mean?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> pantato you didn't found a share, so you didn't get paid

o

<a​shven:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/KqOoCNtPwpEKvTUDSjEoSFwv

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> when you find a share, and that a block is mined by p2pool in its PPLNS window, then you'll get a reward

the big green text saying "block found" is pretty mean in that case

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> pantato I KNOW RIGHT

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (((i love psychobirb)))

<b​asses:matrix.org> literally never heard of anyone of those, excpet WOW

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Were all getting banned 🫡

<a​shven:matrix.org> Can regular folks like us test it? Lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> C u in the fall

<b​asses:matrix.org> also where is Signal coin MobileCoin?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> There are no RPC yet but you can try syncing the blockchain with it if you want

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Wow was created to combat one of those

<b​asses:matrix.org> fork of monero

banned? sounds like I missed out on a juicy situation

s/situation/conversation

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yea, its ok

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yea, it's ok

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> FUCK WRONG ALT

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It happens

<a​shven:matrix.org> F KYC F who ever wana track me 😄 especially 3LA

<a​shven:matrix.org> That feels good :) 😁

<b​asses:matrix.org> kycnot.me

<a​shven:matrix.org> I Know this project amazing also

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> MoneroV iirc was the one that wownero was launched to take the wind out of its sails

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Wownero has similar tokenomics to moneroV (10x supply), but used a new genesis block to prevent revealing true spends like monerov would have

who made parantheses racist and how?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> C u next tuesday

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> tuesday 2025

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2026*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> T​oo2manyQ5: ofrnxmr did

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/hSnOWuXmUwDbiBfwCTXGJwtd

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> everywhere i pass, i see his face

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Too2manyQ5 is asking to many qs

is only 2

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Two2many

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Job security

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I see in feather but not sure what the problem is

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> qwebirc..

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> kewbit...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> probably try to use system tor and tor is not running

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> everywhere i see his face

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lmao

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The name sounds like qtip

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I don't read usernames amymore. Youre all the same person to me

basses, exch is so good. I love the app

found it on kycnot.me . Great site

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Tbh every new sus project that pops up I think qbit

how to avoid being a qbit/qtip

<u​mask777:decred.org> MOB isn't a fork, it's a reimplementation

<u​mask777:decred.org> same privacy schema (ringct/ct/stealthaddr) but on a different consensus protocol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> C u next tuesday <<>> but it is tuesday

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its basically a code fork

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not a hard fork

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like how bch is a hard fork but ltc, doge, etc are all code forks.

<u​mask777:decred.org> but it's not cryptonote

MOB is not what you would usually call a "code fork". You don't call something coded in Rust a code fork of something in C++

"MOB isn't a fork, it's a reimplementation" re-implementation sounds more like it IMHO

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> is mob rust? Ive never looked at its code at all

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes it is

<3​21bob321:monero.social> exciting

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> howcome cuprate couldnt copy them

<3​21bob321:monero.social> fighting words

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> first of all, we didn't think about it.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> second, we had better rust inspiration such as reth and zebra.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> third, mobilecoin is not FOSS and have shitty license

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fourth, we don't look at shitcoins that rely on intel SGX

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I only thought they were the same because ztm2 and the mobilecoin book share a lot, and koe worked on mobilecoin

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yeah it was supposed to be a good privacy coin until company interest kicked in.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Patch release. Fixes issue in ledger-distribution binary synchronizing local database with remote S3 storage.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Latest update. Anyone making a PR for S3 storage support on monero wallet/node would be annihilated for heresy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rightfully so.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> They (ZCash, MOB) have money (paid cryptographer and developer) we have freedom (and real privacy).

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> we want cryptographer too :( :P

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> learn maths

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> become one

<3​21bob321:monero.social> i can store my LMDB in s3 ?

<u​mask777:decred.org> marlinspike bought a dope house in LA off it tho 😂

<u​mask777:decred.org> iirc it was like $5M ?

<u​mask777:decred.org> then left Signal altogether lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> baller

Oh, was there Mobilecoin discussion I missed?

<b​oog900:monero.social> The only similar part is the tx protocol, even then I don't think its close enough to be worth copying. We use monero-serai for our tx definition + signature checks. The p2p layer and exact consensus rules are completely different AFAIK.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah i admittedly never did any research into mob

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think a crypto that requires Intel SGX is already a red flag

Also the one that is effectively centralized. At this point, why even make it crypto?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer, buzz words

BTW heard that at least initially, it was not available in the US. Was it enforced by the system itself or just didn't allow official channels for buying there?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm speaking w/o knowing again, but was it available in wallets outside of signal?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nvm thats a dumb q. I assume it had a desktop wallet

Could you even get this thing without KYC?

I struggled to get any even with KYC

Lol! Curious to hear!

not much to report, but for those hellbent on acquiring, I'm pretty sure you're going with BigONE or gate.io

For those skeptical, I only found these because I was asked to use a referral code--not because im a fed

I guess non-KYC are rare?