its crazy to think that monero's hashrate will be 5GH/s at some point: bitinfocharts.com/comparison/monero-hashrate.html#alltime

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Botnets

<z​cash:unredacted.org> 5 years for 1 audit. Extremely suspicious. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a darknet administrator waiting to exit scam with Feather Wallet

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Interesting name hahah

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Zcash is backed by the ECC. All developers are doxxed. We can never introduce any backdoors, or else it would put the developers at risk of imprisonment

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> bonnets!

<h​avenouser:monero.social> zcash seems to be a scam from the beginning

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> lza_menace: my seed node always seems like its being attacked

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> i just grep the logs and do a bunch of awk this's and thats to count how many log entries from each IP

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> of a particular type.

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> and then make a fail2ban rule for that kind of log entry, and then things seem better

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Chainalysis confirmed that at least 2 billion dollars' worth of Monero usage is related to crime. It's not a bad assumption

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Have you used the IP blocklist?

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> yeah

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Chainalysis is getting better

<h​avenouser:monero.social> what about wownero?

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Wownero is used less than Zcash

<h​avenouser:monero.social> less in usage related to crime?

<z​cash:unredacted.org> How are they attacking your node?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Good bot. You want a medal ?

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Wonero is currently broken. I've forgotten what the vulnerability is

<h​avenouser:monero.social> that does not answer the question. zcash is broken since it's inception

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> lza_menace: , here's a nice one liner to get the ip ... groups, whatever they're called, for monerod :

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> sudo netstat -tnp | grep monerod | awk '{print $5}' | cut -d: -f1 | cut -d. -f1,2 | sort | uniq -c | sort -n

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> subnets?

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> find ones that have the largest number, see what those are doin in your logs, and then fail2ban em

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Fine, I won't try to persuade you

<z​cash:unredacted.org> "The popular privacy coin Monero, although an increasingly important part of the DNM ecosystem, is not included in the analysis for this report."

<z​cash:unredacted.org> "Many operators have since moved to accepting only Monero (XMR), a privacy coin with features designed to boost anonymity and reduce traceability. XMR activity falls outside the scope of this report."

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Chainalysis is hiding the fact that it can trace Monero perfectly, as revealed in the 2025 crime report

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you deserve the ***FUD Award 2025 🏆️***

<z​cash:unredacted.org> "DNMs received $2 billion as opposed to close to $2.3 billion in 2023"

<z​cash:unredacted.org> All Monero I'm sure Chainalysis knows

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> How do we know how much the DNMs get?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> They fill taxe reports or something?

<z​cash:unredacted.org> chainalysis.com/wp-content/uploads/…025-crypto-crime-report-release.pdf

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Oh lol I see

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Not clicking on that link

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no you don't, he linked a 135 pdf

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 135 pages pdf without any more explanations*

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Monero was not included in that report, though. Chainalysis uses Bitcoin, Ethereum, and other transparent chains to track volume. They can then infer how much Monero is used on the darknet market. Also, darknet administrators who get busted reveal volume of Monero

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dnm.png

<h​avenouser:monero.social> wow! who composes 135 pages of trash. either composed by AI or by AI controlled chimps

<z​cash:unredacted.org> These markets are stupid enough to show sales for each item. Most of them accept both Bitcoin and Monero. If an item has 30 sales, Chainalysis can track that 5 came from Bitcoin, therefore the rest must be from Monero. By combining data from OSPEAD, spy nodes, metadata from CEXes, and other techniques that have not been revealed, they can perfectly track Monero transactions

<h​avenouser:monero.social> the main question is: "why is wownero missing in that pamphlet?"zcash

<h​avenouser:monero.social> zcash is a bot

<z​cash:unredacted.org> If you weren't bothered reading the report, I just summarized it for you

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Ah yes, the spy nodes and metadata from CEXes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> inherent vulnerabilities of Monero obviously

<s​iren:kernal.eu> ROFL

<s​iren:kernal.eu> >Chainalysis does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information

<s​iren:kernal.eu> in this report and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of

<s​iren:kernal.eu> such material.

<z​cash:unredacted.org> You're ignoring issues with Dandellion++, spy nodes, OSPEAD from ring signatures being problematic, and other vulnerabilities that are inherent

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This is the award you deserve zcash: Take real elements and assemble them into a complete lie or utter bullshit

<h​avenouser:monero.social> ai is sophisticated but is slow in logic

<z​cash:unredacted.org> No one uses Wonero. It's the same reason why DOGE wasn't included in the report.

<z​cash:unredacted.org> No one uses Wownero. It's the same reason why DOGE wasn't included in the report.

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I'm real

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> are you smart enough to read?

<h​avenouser:monero.social> but tipping meme creators can also be considered a crime

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I can DM my Twitter handle

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't think anyone give a fuck about you

<z​cash:unredacted.org> You're being insulting

<s​iren:kernal.eu> But can you try to be funnier?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> too bad

<z​cash:unredacted.org> You're scared of the vulnerabilities, so you resort to insults. Your shill days are over

meownero was fixed

please try to keep up

<z​cash:unredacted.org> From now on, every post about Monero will feature a rundown of those same vulnerabilities shared by the Zcash community. Good luck trying to promote a vulnerable coin

<h​avenouser:monero.social> nioc, launch that coin!

lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nioc, premine? I want my fair share of MEOW

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> give zcash access to the @monero twitter account

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tsmt

<z​cash:unredacted.org> It's on GitHub, so anyone can fork and try contributing. However, to be honest, I don't care either way. tobtoht is the only developer who is actively making contributions. Most others seem to ignore it, leaving it essentially to one person

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> make FUD

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> someone call this out

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> "I don't care either way"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> \* more non-sense \*

I am currently rewriting monero in AlgolW

<z​cash:unredacted.org> It's also signed only by tobtoht using his private key, which has a fingerprint of: 8185 E158 A333 30C7 FD61 BC0D 1F76 E155 CEFB A71C

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> zcash can you confirm if you have access to the @monero account already

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Keep talking and I'll turn you into a Markov chain just like Mr. 24/25

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I'm not sure. No one knows, and that's even worse for Monero. Instead of promoting products, they keep advertising and failing to report on vulnerabilities or actual contributions

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mhm

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i think we can be friends

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> zcash is larping hard fwiw

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> could be Juliu

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I swear this is the russian guy who was trolling a few months back

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah could be

<s​iren:kernal.eu> This person is actually a Monero user, he's one of us for sure

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 100%

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tho who is pitiful enough to do that

<z​cash:unredacted.org> As I've mentioned before, I can share my Twitter handle with you. However, I'm not sure who you're referring to, as I'm actively involved in the Zcash community, not Matrix

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> zcash what is your opinion on how the monero core team scammed kewbit out of millions of dollars?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> do you want monero to be integrated into unstoppable wallet with zcash?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> does zcash have better music videos than monero zcash?

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Kewbit was a scammer who used AI-generated code to deceive people. He also attempted to sabotage Monero by creating an alternative CCS variant that he controlled, reported Rust crates owned by developers such as boog and kayaba, and spread FUD. Core did not scam, but it is now largely inactive. Luigi struggles to approve merge requests

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LLM tier response

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> LOL

<z​cash:unredacted.org> All of this demonstrates the vulnerability of Monero's CCS system and explains why the Zcash Foundation's approach to funding is superior

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I WAS 1000000% SURE HIS TWITTER HANDLE WAS GOING TO BE A LUFFY PROFILE PICTURE

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> zcash thank you sir , can you please compare the music videos of zcash and monero? it would show

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mandatory

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> obvious

<f​elizduq:matrix.org> Oof the Luffy

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I literally said that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> "literally"is trademarked by syntheticbird, literally

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> stop writing like me

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> literally a creep

<z​cash:unredacted.org> All I know is that there are rap videos about Monero featuring drug dealers flaunting its use on the darknet. That's not ideal

<z​cash:unredacted.org> There was some guy in a ski mask, but I forgot his name

<z​cash:unredacted.org> @syntheticbird:monero.social

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I didn't see it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you just sound and act like a guy who would put a luffy profile picture

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Anyway

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> The dogs bark, but the caravan goes on

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Is this the idiot who believes that cryptography is fake and that NP = P?

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I know him

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I was wondering if Juliu was mentally ill or self-aware, i guess I've my answer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I bet you do

<z​cash:unredacted.org> OK Kewbit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm 100% Kewbit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> clown mask down

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Juliu believes encryption is a hoax first and foremost

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Only 5 real people exist in this channel, and we're all individuals who temporarily switch sockpuppet accounts to speak

<s​iren:kernal.eu> привет андрей

<z​cash:unredacted.org> He isn't wrong. Eventually, quantum computers will validate his claims

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> In 20 years

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Now

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I've a quantum computer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr:

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Intelligence agencies have the entire blockchain being saved by people around the world. How convenient! They can easily break Monero transactions in the future

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro cracked the truth

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Were all ofrnxmr

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Unblock me on Twitter

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMAO

<z​cash:unredacted.org> @In4Crypto

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont have you blocked

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Have I blocked you? I need to check

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/SRKOKokSOrxJShiGFvEIIZXs

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I also got super_testnet account suspended for fun

<z​cash:unredacted.org> He was spreading misinformation

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I don't block people. Easier if they block me @rottenskunk

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I'm larping as a Zcash account. When FCMP++ or a future upgrade for Monero arrives, I plan to transfer all my content to Monero and make the switch. I'm excited

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the FUD guy judging someone else of spreading FUD, I gotta follow super_testnet he sounds to have good arguments

<z​cash:unredacted.org> super_testnet is a Bitcoin maximalist who claims that Lightning network is more private than Monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He's also a super testnet

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bruh

@seen super_resistant

<z​cash:unredacted.org> You also don't grasp the full scope of the Monero iceberg and its backstory, Mr. Bird

<z​cash:unredacted.org> You're a newcomer

<z​cash:unredacted.org> My FUD is completely valid

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not tho

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> argument of authority

it's not your fud, it's our fud

<z​cash:unredacted.org> It's exactly what people will use to argue against Monero. Irrelevant claims don't matter. What matters is having thoughtful, well-reasoned responses to counter these unfounded criticisms

we discovered it and told everybody

<z​cash:unredacted.org> COC

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> off-topic

<z​cash:unredacted.org> You wanted to become authority

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I will never forget

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nah, what matters is "i dont care"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok so I suppose you don't know what is an "argument of authority"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> or maybe you are dumb enough to try changing the topic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i would bet on the latter

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> "well-reasoned responses" you said? All I can see is logical fallacies

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> like.. if you told me there was 2 rings instead of 16, what diff does it make?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We could reduce the blockchain growth by lowering ring size to 2

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> W/o any loss in privacy

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Eventually, people like Bitcoiners and trolls will come around because Monero awareness is growing. They'll spread misinformation and propaganda campaigns against it, trying to ruin its reputation. Unfortunately, Nazis are already using astroturfing tactics to harm Monero's image. Peter Todd, a core Bitcoiner, is one example of someone who might try to discredit Monero too

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I'm preparing my responses

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Peter todd is a warmongering retard

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And a fed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He said monero needs to make compromises on its ideals

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> HE IS JUST LIKE ME FOR REAL

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Retards gonna retard, what can i say

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I get it. He actually stated that, saying that without our shared ideology, Monero would surpass Bitcoin

<z​cash:unredacted.org> He is highly respected by many. He has also contributed to Zcash's implementation of a trusted setup

soon™

<z​cash:unredacted.org> He was one of the key owners

in da woods

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> so was edward snowman

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> snowman

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> whistleblower just spawned through 1 pumpkin and two block of snow

wen next btc block, 40 min is too long

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> tomorrow

<z​cash:unredacted.org> $1 fees are cheap on Bitcoin

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> lol @ the people that want 1sat to = 1$

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Peter Todd actually supports tail emission, but he said Bitcoin is stuck

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He's not a stupid guy, just a fed rat

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yknow btc created a lot of the tech we use

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They just dont use anything that would actually improve btc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Like p2pool or confidential tx

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Satoshi had ring signatures in mind

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then you have coins like ltc, devs cant tie their damn shoes. Bch, wants to be everything and the kitchen sink. Doge, stuck in 2017

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The btc amd btc fork scene is a joke. Just a free development for governments to use the code in a cbdc.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero is only project that wants to compete with fiat

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Blockstream*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> blockstream? No. Like 989/990 projects in the top 990

<z​cash:unredacted.org> It's hard. Monero faces a high risk of failure

<p​reland:monero.social> The other projects followed the money.

<p​reland:monero.social> In doing so, they lost sight of….money.

<z​cash:unredacted.org> preland BUTTCOINER

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not really

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> were like, 1 city away from world domination

<p​reland:monero.social> I hang out there and discuss yeah

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Ladies and gentlemen

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<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> image.png

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Edward Snowman according to Ofrnxmr

<p​reland:monero.social> Monero’s values are somehow more in line with them than with the broader crypto group

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I won't take you seriously for being actively involved with the Buttcoin community

<z​cash:unredacted.org> AmericanScream is FED

<p​reland:monero.social> Also question: why did you even know that I was in there?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Edward snowman

<s​iren:kernal.eu> AmericanIcecream

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I like the joke

<z​cash:unredacted.org> You're in the Discord

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> very elegant

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> stalker behavior

<z​cash:unredacted.org> As an original member of the Monero community, I have knowledge of its active participants

<p​reland:monero.social> The mods are so-so; they clearly have their “power tripping” moments, though they also kinda get f-d over by bitcoin maxis and the like

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> preland pretend to be offended and call out harassement

<p​reland:monero.social> Lol

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Mr. Bird you're mentally ill

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I am

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 👍️

<z​cash:unredacted.org> No offense intended

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/LUlvNowVnlcWJozDaIbFAmpX

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> "I just wanna say hello"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> "No offense intended"

<z​cash:unredacted.org> There's controlled opposition within the cryptocurrency space

<z​cash:unredacted.org> M_NOT_FOUND

<p​reland:monero.social> You are going to need to be more specific on, well, nearly every noun in that statement

<z​cash:unredacted.org> monero.social is currently experiencing technical issues, with images failing to display

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Blame ZCash backing company ECC for stopping to funnel middle east money into Element client and Matrix synapse

<z​cash:unredacted.org> AmericanScream has a history of targeting individuals who have any association with cryptocurrency, regardless of how critical or supportive they may be. If you're even slightly connected to crypto, he'll offer you a special role or ban you from the social platforms he manages. He's even clashed with prominent figures like Coffeezilla and Crypto Critics' Corner

<z​cash:unredacted.org> In other words, it's a FBI agent

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Lurk more

<p​reland:monero.social> Nah I was busy reading in the 20 other element channels

<p​reland:monero.social> I’m already aware the Feds watch Discord

<p​reland:monero.social> I mean….after war thunder, why *wouldn’t* they

<z​cash:unredacted.org> It depends. The Feds generally don't actively monitor Discord channels unless they're investigating a specific individual without proper evidence yet. If they have evidence, they often rely on subpoenaing encrypted chat logs rather than conducting real-time surveillance. But if there's no pretense of legitimacy, they may resort to stalking

<z​cash:unredacted.org> It depends. The Feds generally don't actively monitor Discord channels unless they're investigating a specific individual without proper evidence yet. If they have evidence, they often rely on subpoenaing unencrypted chat logs rather than conducting real-time surveillance. But if there's no pretense of legitimacy, they may resort to stalking

<z​cash:unredacted.org> This conversation is starting to stray off-topic. From now on, let's keep the discussion focused on Monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero Offtopic is useful too

<z​cash:unredacted.org> When Juliu is not online

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who?

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Juliu N = NP

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I know, i was joking

<z​cash:unredacted.org> The lines between humor and factual information are often blurred

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Too bad you give zero factual informations, we could have at least try to laugh

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Mr. Bird lurk. If you look closely, you will understand. I am being indirect

<z​cash:unredacted.org> You've only been part of this community for a few years. Not enough

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> MEOW

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Mr. Random. If you look closely, you will understand. You are the random altcoin shiller

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you spread FUD in this community since yesterday. Not enough credibility to make me believe you were somehow there before me

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Remember when you attempted to help with Cuprate? What happened? Let's avoid getting sidetracked by false narratives

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Oh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm interested into your version of "fact"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what happened

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> enlight me

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I'm not going to expose your personal issues

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> personal issues?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but please proceed

<z​cash:unredacted.org> OFFTOPIC

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You mean NON EXISTANT

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> what was that thingy for P2P exchange on monero?

<z​cash:unredacted.org> retoswap

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> that shit

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> wait not this one

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> isn't haveno the same shit?

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Yes, Retoswap is an implementation

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> retoswap is the illegal unregulated mainnet fork of haveno

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> wdym?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> we are hackers n shit?

<z​cash:unredacted.org> retoswap.com, haveno.markets, @RetoSwap on X, #haveno:monero.social and boldsuck.github.io/haveno-reto-docs/haveno-ui are good guides @fijxu:nadeko.net

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> cool

<z​cash:unredacted.org> And additional resources

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Note that there isn't a legitimate Haveno instance maintained by the original developer (woodser), as he wishes to avoid being targeted. There are only unofficial forks. Retoswap is currently the most trusted one, having millions of dollars in volume

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I see

<z​cash:unredacted.org> The majority of trading volume on Retoswap is in Euros (EUR) and originates from European markets, as many centralized exchanges in Europe have delisted Monero. However, most currencies are still supported on the platform. If you're unable to find an existing offer, you can create one yourself

<z​cash:unredacted.org> If you're wondering why Monero is being delisted, btw, it has nothing to do with its illegality. It's actually equivalent to Bitcoin in terms of legality. Centralized exchanges are forced to delist from LE and chain analysis companies because it's infeasible to track in most cases. There are still vulnerabilities. Monero is not perfect

<z​cash:unredacted.org> It's very costly for Chainalysis to track Monero transactions because they have to run spy nodes, hire statisticians to do OSPEAD, and hire other workers to then program implementations as seen in the Chainalysis video of custom XMR block explorers that allow decoy elimination. This approach allows them to increase their chances of identifying individuals. However, this strategy i<clipped message>

<z​cash:unredacted.org> gnores the constant upgrades happening on the Monero network. That's why shutting off the on/off ramps is easier

<z​cash:unredacted.org> DYOR. I'm just providing a little backstory

<z​cash:unredacted.org> This includes ignoring the price manipulation tactics that have been tested. The Monero rabbit hole goes deep

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Hopefully, this information will help steer you away from Monero and towards Zcash

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ^

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Chainalysis is hiding the fact that it can trace Monero perfectly, as revealed in the 2025 crime report

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> zcash is bipolar

<z​cash:unredacted.org> @vtnerd:monero.social I love your work. Can you please let me know when lws is scheduled to arrive?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its here already

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I haven't reviewed it in a long time

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Which wallets currently support it?

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I recall that there was a CCS entry for lws just recently, which led me to believe that it was still in development

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 😭

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Edge and mymonero

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Are you serious?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Edge is trash spyware and mymonero is barely alive

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Honeypots that do not allow running your own server

<z​cash:unredacted.org> IIRC

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Both allow your own server

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Fluffy is moving onto his next fleece with Tari

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Edge wont connect to it w/o calling home first

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I will wait for official wallet support to be available

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> probably will be cake next

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I don't even trust Feather Wallet

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I'm limited to using either the Monero GUI or monero-cli

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> why

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Not enough eyes on the code

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lws isnt in monero-project, so i doubt it will be impl into cli or gui

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Possible though, like p2pool

<z​cash:unredacted.org> If tobtoht conducts an audit of Feather Wallet in the future, I may reconsider using it

<z​cash:unredacted.org> What about Polyseed?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> tob will add to cli/gui

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Trevador's repository is also not listed

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Tevador's repository is also not listed

<z​cash:unredacted.org> How is that allowed?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Randomx is a submodule , polyseed perhaps as well

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hes a core xmr dev who has experience with the lib

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You know, feather was created by dsc and tob, and dsc used to be maintainer of gui, right

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Yes, I trust dsc, but I'm skeptical about darknet tobtoht

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I personally review every pull request submitted by tobtoht. He raises some suspicions. Personal opinion

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I'm unable to review all of the work done on Feather Wallet

<j​effro256:monero.social> What kind of suspicions ?

<z​cash:unredacted.org> He was active on Dread

<j​effro256:monero.social> And?

<v​tnerd:monero.social> @zcash LWS is used by a couple of businesses currently, so it's theoretically in released state despite the lack of easily downloaded binaries. They seem to like the multiple wallet watching + webook notification features. The biggest blocker to LWS usage is probably no frontend API, like cake wallet et al use for non-lws wallets. The other is that LWS needs some plan for the carr<clipped message>

<v​tnerd:monero.social> ot/fcmp++ upgrade, so there's that. The frontend API is like 40% done, the fcmp++ hasnt start yet.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I've commit war crimes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't understand why you guys find this weird

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Stop suspecting my PRs

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Thank you for the update. Will all the work be done on this repository so I can watch it?

<z​cash:unredacted.org> github.com/vtnerd/monero-lws

<z​cash:unredacted.org> CoC doesn't count. That's not real work. You also stopped contributing meanfinglly to Cuprate. Boog and hinto are carrying the work. I'm being brutally honest Mr. Bird

<v​tnerd:monero.social> Mostly. I started a separate repo for the frontend github.com/vtnerd/lwsf

<z​cash:unredacted.org> CoC doesn't count. That's not real work. You also stopped contributing meaningfully to Cuprate. Boog and hinto are carrying the work. I'm being brutally honest Mr. Bird

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> imagine you had a talent for baiting

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just imagine for a sec

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I'm blocking your account from now on

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Lurk more

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> him saying i'm lurking make me think of kewbit more than juliu

<z​cash:unredacted.org> ofrn has surpassed you in terms of productivity. At least he is proactively updating documentation and supporting the development of BasicSwap. Your involvement has been relatively scarce. I want to assure you that my intention is not to provoke or bait

<z​cash:unredacted.org> My last message to you

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think your myriad of FUD spreading from yesterday prove otherwise

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Go on I believe in you, you can block me

all of which are currently funded by the CCS, other than.... these voluntary workers need to do better

<z​cash:unredacted.org> I've read through all of his messages, and I must admit that I strongly disagree with them. Please note that this is my personal opinion. I found some connections, which led me to question his credibility. You're smart enough to work on Carrot, so don't be naive

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> I need a guy named piratechain in here. I am sure he would have nothing but the best intentions.

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> nonstop high quality monero discussion

<z​cash:unredacted.org> plowsof You need to start by building your reputation through volunteering

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i will try my best thank you

<z​cash:unredacted.org> People who receive funding from CCS typically have a proven track record within their community most of the time

What should I do?

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Sometimes, people like Kewbit can slip through

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> I also require instruction

<z​cash:unredacted.org> nioc Japan

<j​effro256:monero.social> I mean if you've got some actual legitimate concerns about tobtoht's credability, then I'd like to hear them. But I also don't have time to stalk through all of his old Dread based on vague concerns that one guy has, of which he is also not willing to enumerate

<z​cash:unredacted.org> はぜひ日本人向けのMoneroリソースに貢献してみてはいかがでしょうか

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Good job ChatGPT

<z​cash:unredacted.org> My concerns are based on my opinion and potential connections that tobtoht may have with darknet administrators. However, I don't want to make unfounded accusations, so I will refrain from pursuing this further for now

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> sounds like you already made unfounded accusations

<z​cash:unredacted.org> LE can help found or establish them. Not my job

If you don't want to then why are you doing so?

Oh wait

<z​cash:unredacted.org> People often recommend Feather Wallet, but I think they should exercise caution and not blindly trust the developer. This is simply my opinion, and I don't expect everyone to agree

Just an opinion, just asking questions lol

Cat remains unconcerned

<z​cash:unredacted.org> Feather Wallet, along with Edge/MyMonero, is listed as a wallet on the getmonero.org website. Similarly, Edge/MyMonero has faced criticism from users. Feather Wallet also warrants scrutiny

hehe

he can't block me

behind relay

hehe

anchoc indeed marvelous unfounded accusations

Just an opinion

whats so sad is that it could have been actually genuine and somewhat real indicator if he didn't just spawned in the channel to spread logical fallacies all over the place

i love how in a few hours you passed from "zcash is 100% better and monero is completely insecure" to "I'm the guy that is in the monero community since the beginning, cope with it"

Time to be of service to Cat2

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> Monero welcomes everyone from other privacy projects. My heart goes out to them. It has to be brutal to see Monero addressing every objection anyone could possibly have about it.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> wow anchoc

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you managed to make him quit with a welcome message

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> incredible

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> :gigachad:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/FpCcxEUBNhKksoGfpzMqJspy

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> tokens will reset in several hours

<p​reland:monero.social> Welp now I know I have a secret admirer in the buttcoin discord server lol

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> jersey shore levels of drama

<3​21bob321:monero.social> IRS left out feather wallet

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> zcash is back, they have a crush on us ((:

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I guess the attacks om tob and feather make sense since it's one of the best things in the ecosystem. I don't think anyone here would suggest blind trust anyone though

<a​remor:matrix.org> Tor having issues?

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> It works for me.

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Mr. tob is friends with HugBunter, has moderated the Monero Dread community for a long time, and has helped many users with technical issues that ended up purchasing drugs. Personally, I don't have a problem with this, but LE may take an interest in his activities, which could potentially compromise his identity

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> It's clear that there's a significant issue at play here

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> "helped many users with technical issues that ended up purchasing drugs" Lord help me I've probably done the same lol

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> not intentionally mind you, I just mind my own business

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> LE doesn't care. Take note of how Roger Ver, Fluffypony, Ross Ulbricht were handled in the past. They have a history of misrepresenting the truth, which can now be used to hijack Mr. tob

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> There are countless other examples like Tornado Cash developers and Bitcoin Fog, among others

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> okay? I just don't see how that's my business. LE can do what they want, we all know this

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> The main issue is that there is a clear case of 'guilty by association' linking Mr. tob to darknet market activities

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> github is public, builds are deterministic, like, people wanna spin conspiracies about people being compromised but everything is done in the light of day so???

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> it's not like fp getting arrested compromised the project

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Open source is not magic

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> nobody said that

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Feather Wallet has not undergone any audits. I know that the official wallets have also not been audited, but they have been available for a very long time under lots of scrutiny. No one has really verified Feather Wallet and all the frequent commits. I'm not going to repeat my points again. You can read the rest above

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> if you don't trust it don't use it. it's been under really active development so an audit wouldn't really make sense but I think it's intended to try to fund one at some point probably after fcmp

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> and shit, it's not like you have to wait around for tob to do an audit. the code is right there. Open a CCS for funding if you're so passionate

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> It needs to be removed from getmonero.org

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Alternatively, Feather Wallet may be placed along Edge or MyMonero as distrusted

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> speaking personally I was slow to trust feather over the GUI but trust has been built up over time, watching pull requests, participating in builds, interacting with tob, not to mention I still don't jump on new versions right away for anything but my daily spending wallet

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> lmaooooo no way

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> lame

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> "placed with Edge" u trollin

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> You seem like a sock puppet. I'm blocking you

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> lmao

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> been here for years but have fun ok

Monero has a Dread community? That is a bit unsettling to mention...

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Over 60,000 members

But yeah, just because it has disgusting uses doesn't discredit the tool. Just like Tor itself. It's just a bit... off-putting.

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> I agree. I don't like criminals

Also I do visit Dread to follow some news because sometimes markets fail in funny ways.

like Incognito

how tf do people actually use those markets and live in such conditions

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> But they tend to be early adopters of new technology. John Dillinger and Baby Face Nelson used high-performance cars as part of their getaways from law enforcement

Yeah, this is kind of fascinating indeed. Although I don't research specific markets because it is still disgusting.

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> I've thoroughly examined numerous busts. Users exhibit extreme variety. Some are high-rollers who use cocaine solely for parties, while others are drug addicts or engage in arbitrage by selling on the streets. I find investigating this aspect fascinating, though also disturbing

Ew, I don't read into specifics of drugs, just how OPSEC fails. Because a lot of the time it's just human error so it's amusing.

like the incognito guy

although I wonder if LE got "help" because he turned so many people against him

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> I make a conscious effort to investigate as much as possible to assist effectively

Are you working in police or something?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> Bluey idk if you can see this IRC side but greeny left the room right after you asked that which, idk probably means nothing but is funny to me

lol

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Sorry, my internet connection broke. I'm not LE

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> @monero.arbo:matrix.org I sent you a direct message to verify some information

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> So just to resume your concerns (according to your informations):

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - Toboth_ is linked to DNM and drugs through Dread and is therefore vulnerable to association of guilt.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - Feather Wallet has not been under any scrutiny

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Therefore your conclusion are:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - toboth_ cannot be trusted as he could be coerced into backdooring feather.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - toboth_ is legally vulnerable and one OPSEC mistake can condemn him to prison.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is that it?

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> That's your opinion, I've shared some additional information that might be true, and I also have an opinion on the matter

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> That's not my opinion, that's my understanding of your message. Please clarify if i'm wrong. I want yo get your opinion right

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> I won't make unfounded claims. I'm simply sharing my viewpoint

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes... I understood that. However it is unclear to me how your viewpoint link the facts to their conclusion

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> informations to their conclusion*

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Lyza, please respond to my message so I can verify that you're a legitimate user

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> OFFTOPIC

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> He is a legitimate user

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> They*

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Can we stay on topic and discuss Monero?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what I asked isn't offtopic as related to your messages about Monero ecosystem

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> That's asking too much man, please lower your expectations

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tho you can feel free to say "I don't wanna answer"

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> I don't want answer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sounds good

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> I'm not going to mention Feather Wallet or Mr. tob again

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> alr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Lyza is a legitimate user fwiw as they are in the Cuprate channel

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (i verified their handle)

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Yes, they proved it. I'm sorry, Lyza

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> <3

on one hand, it would be a cool test of skill to figure out some info about a DNM and maybe help with a bust... But on the other, that might piss off dangerous people.

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> There are protections in place

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Like eyewitness protection laws

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> It depends on the country, though

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Some countries, like probably mexico and usa, the police are the sellers

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Back on topic. @lordx3nu:matrix.org when will you release the darknet maximalism series?

greeny, idk just how safe that would be given the demographic operating there.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bust the wrong person and end up on a milk box, lamp post, or t-shirt

Also yeah, the LE are very much on it here.

At least I suppose so

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> dnms sell drugs, but could/should be used for everyday goods and services imho

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> at this point they actually do sell some legal stuff

Yeah but mostly drugs. We're not talking about normal marketplaces that just happen to be onion and use Monero. Let's just be honest, the ones like Archetyp are so much drugs and overall gross stuff that the rest is negligeable.

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> BlueyHealer, they're not really, unless they're targeting someone. There are tools they use that automatically scrape all messages from Dread, skid hacker forums, Telegram chats, and other platforms, that they can search through. There is a bot here that automatically logs all messages on almost every Matrix channel

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Normal MP that happen to be onion and use monero ARE DNMs

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Think monerologs on a massive scale

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How to be a DNM? Be on the DN

idk, seems more like semantics - I wouldn't associate legit ones with the term "dnm"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And be a market

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> it should be out in late april ! also, dark net market maximalism isn't pro illicit crime but instead a reframing of the current crypto narrative, because from the perspective of the state there is no difference between a privacy advocate and a drug dealer.

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Good to hear

Technically yes. But in practice everyone would associate "DNM" with "a market that doesn't ban drug listings"

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> good. we filter out the lames.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I disagree. A lot of the drug dealers are feds

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> I'm not concerned with drug dealers

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Darknet administrators are more important

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Real drug dealers dont use crypto or postal services

On one hand - I adore privacy and anonymity technology, and would love to eventually contribute. On the other... We have to actually fight the people using it for crime. Usually not via breaking said technologies.

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> Real drug dealers sell to the pharmacy

using postal services for drugs is just cringe

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> It's impossible to stop drug dealers

here everyone uses couriers and dead drops for a reason

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Darknet administrators are more feasible for LE not me

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> I'm not a glowie

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sorry, i don't understand what LE stands for ?

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> I just research for fun

<g​reeny:unredacted.org> Law enforcement

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> law enforcement

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Law enforcement

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Real drug dealers dont use crypto or postal services <- Imagine signing the paper when receiving the package. The buyer has to choice but to confess "yes I expected this box".

Anyway, the DNM busts show that we don't have to break technology itself to find the criminals.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> in my younger days, i signed for random stuff all the time

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> in America, we literally have pharmacy commercials on television lol. most euros don't even know that

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> shlling ssri stuff too.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "this may cause heart attacks, infertility, or blindness"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "talk to your doctor to see if blindbrokenheart is right for you"

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> "Are you sad capitalism is killing the planet and the human spirit? let us sell you drugs for that"

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> oops I got political

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "or are you sad that socialism is killing the fish? we have a drug for you too"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "is monero price getting you down? try numgup"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> literally 1984

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i have that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I love taking meds

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> Somehow I doubt people on this channel watch television

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm a satisfied individual living an healthy life and I can' thank enough pharmacy companies for giving me what i need

But whatever... As much as it would be interesting to investigate, it would probably be the most rational to not interfere.

mark, yeah, adblocking doesn't work there

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> It must be a generational thing because I'm not sure I can name a friend that actually has a TV

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I just watch through Internet for free

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> muh public pirated streams

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Clearnet** tho, so its ok

Yeah - I wish I could get a Raspberry Pi to get my movies and streams on my actual TV but not found a good enough secondhand one yet.

ofrnxmr, onion or i2p streams would be unusable because of speeds lol

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I'm not watching cable or watching ads but I still like to put it on the big TV

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i generally dislike sofa so I can't imagine watching a big tv on my gamer chair

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> but yeah I basically end up connecting a whole tiny PC to it cause all the streeaming devices suck

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I only watch the ads. the hard fork OFFTOPIC :D lolol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> for real

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I like to watch things with friends =p

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh that explains a lot

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't have IRL friends

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> ):

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> unless pharmacy companies

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they are my beloved

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i love them

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> Yeah I just have a 10 meters HDMI cable across the living room for when I want to watch stuff on the projector with friends

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fwiw im kidding i have irl friends

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> Which is usually just an old movie or the UFC

You're lucky to have a room suitable for a projector...

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i was jk

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> whats UFC?

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> Not sure I'm lucky as much as I'm paying for it lol

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> It's MMA fights, Fork. Martial arts.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> HELL YEAH

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> war pereira

@z​cash:unredacted.org: Total nonsense about tobtoht. It is completely unimportant which administrators tobtoht is in contact with. Only his work on feather and monero is important.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Chama 🗿

bridge is back \o/

but with it the troll

well they do live under bridges so.....

TIL alcohol is no longer illegal and therefore I am no longer a criminal \o/

Can anyone help me where to get an installer for Haveno?

I'm curious to try it out

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Retoswap.com

Thank!

sµ

So if I understand correctly haveno is like the "engine" and there are different clients?

haveno is like a protocol, and you can have different networks implementing that protocol. Just like there's a monero mainnet and a testnet

oh ok, I wasn't aware

retoswap is currently the only one?

or is there a list somewhere I can choose from?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yes

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there were three others that never managed to materialize

Ok, I see

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Surprised localmonero didn't do one

Do we yet have any explanation as to why localmonero folded?

yes, they gave one at the time

<w​illiamfargo:tchncs.de> What is the Monero equivalent to blockchain, it's integrity check,

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> blockchain

whoa, I thought monero runs off of a sqlite table

and every block is added as a new entry to the table

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they literally told people to use haveno

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but i dont think the software was quite ready, it released like 2 weeks after the LM shutdown

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I miss LM sm