<m​etrics:unredacted.org> ❌ LineageOS is not ideal at all.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> For older devices? If not supported anymore, game over - that's it.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> LineageOS is even worse than stock os, since most of device's does not support bootloader locking.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> I recommended to read GrapheneOS website: section where explained why only Pixel support GrapheneOS installation.

isn't pixel hardware malware from joogle? who would want to buy joogle garbage

<c​ultparty:matrix.org> Offline use is harmless with an unlocked bootloader.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> grapheneos.org/faq#recommended-devices

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Indeed,any vulns where found in google hardware in the past. The _only_ advantage they have is the hability to disable the usb data line to provent exploitation of the Linux kernel backdoors on that level...

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> By google hardware I mean Pixel phones with grapheneos, not even the google provided os use that feature.

<c​ultparty:matrix.org> More accurately, an unlocked bootloader is harmless when exclusively used offline and especially without any signals used.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Indeed,some vulns where found in google hardware in the past. The _only_ advantage they have is the hability to disable the usb data line to provent exploitation of the Linux kernel backdoors on that level...

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> By google hardware I mean Pixel phones with grapheneos, not even the google provided os use that feature.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> privsec.dev/posts/android/android-tips

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> You training to convince yourself and us? How to use unsecured device and have security?

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> It is manufacturer problem that they do not care about security, unfortunately for now only Pixel do it right, and they give 7 year's updates support.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> What is better?

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Xiaomi ?🤣 No backdoor in it?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Xiaomi is know to collect your data even from there air fryers... Stay away ezcept if you can install lineage//e/...

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> And at the end it depend of what you use your phone for and Threat level

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> And that is Monero Offtopic

<c​ultparty:matrix.org> Then there ya go: Pixel + Lineage. Done.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Threat level?

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> OK what for can I use insecure device with LineageOS or e/OS? - based on LineageOS with microG crap?

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> I use Pixel only because I can use GrapheneOS on it.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> I don't see why would I buy another crap smartphone if is not supported well by manufacturer.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> OK I'm done. 🙂

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I mean what risk you expect to be in.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> It would depend of what you do with said phone and if you expect to get arrested (phone confiscated and cellebrighted) or are targetted or something

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> I expected to have secure smartphone with good working software - that's what I get in GrapheneOS plus many features implemented in this OS.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> I did use another device's before.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Samsung, Motorola, Sony, Xiaomi, Huawei

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> No thanks!

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Since I got Pixel I never looked black.

lawl

new level - joogle spam

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Motorola work just fine for 1/6 of the price (for a normi that just want to use a better rom)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> That been said, Pixel are the only phone that can disable the USB data lines assuming its using graphene and that's could mandatory for you depending

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Good luck guy's. 🙃

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Use whatever you want.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Would be happy to provide hosting for an official website about monero, depending of the specs needed :)

<x​3cc:nope.chat> My transaction is pending for 7 minutes already, not even 0 confirmation 😭😭😭

<x​3cc:nope.chat> Oh nevermind it went through

<f​areve:matrix.org> Question:if I hired a dev to make an os like iOS but not being fully 1:1 copy of it how would I have an custom phone manufactured for it?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> #offtopic

"how do i create a trillion dollar company?"

if only irc had such information

<t​roonigger:catgirl.cloud> pls join #hackfreedom:digitalprivacy.diy

fareve:matrix.org, I think the iPhone comment was a joke.

m-relay: <m​etrics:unredacted.org> For older devices? If not supported anymore, game over - that's it. <- not really, the device is usually far from dad when the support is over. For example, GOS will only support this Pixel until sometime in 2028. So LOS would be better than no updates.

m-relay: <m​etrics:unredacted.org> I don't see why would I buy another crap smartphone if is not supported well by manufacturer. <- because Pixels are expensive as hell! I love using GOS and do not regret spending $300, but I can't deny that if I didn't want it so much and if my savings were not in danger of devaluing into nothing - I would have never thought of spending this much on a phone.

The only cheaper ones are either secondhand or with very little support left.

<t​roonigger:catgirl.cloud> pls join #hackfreedom:digitalprivacy.diy or ur fat

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<k​evino:tchncs.de> pls ban this guy

<t​roonigger:catgirl.cloud> shut up tubby

<k​evino:tchncs.de> [@plowsof:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@plowsof:matrix.org) ^^

<t​roonigger:catgirl.cloud> join that server if ur not a fat faggot

<t​roonigger:catgirl.cloud> kevino: ur a nazi

<t​roonigger:catgirl.cloud> i like fat chicks

<t​roonigger:catgirl.cloud> but ur a fat ugly guy

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<t​roonigger:catgirl.cloud> pls join #hackfreedom:digitalprivacy.diy or ur fat

<3​21bob321:monero.social> thanks mbll

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> predicting the future

<b​asses:matrix.org> lineage/e/ on air fryer or your phone? because on phone that would be a shitty insecure OS

<b​asses:matrix.org> to be used on phone

<b​asses:matrix.org> eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

What is Matterbridge

That's not soi is it?

So would Lineage with updates be worse than staying on EOL Graphene? Also it and derivatives are the only choice for more common, cheaper devices.

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes, if it have been EOL for long

I thought some fixes three years after EOL are better than no fixes.

<b​asses:matrix.org> better to not have EOL device

They all have very short support. Most of the phone's life is usually EOL.

For example, mine is only officially supported until 2028 (thus by Graphene as well). I spent $300 on it, can;t just buy another. Plus the fact that you can't buy those while they're the freshest, as they're absolutely unaffordable (today Pixel 9 is $600 where I bought mine)

<b​asses:matrix.org> pixel usually go on sale

The price does decrease for older models with time. Point is - you're not getting the newest ones for anywhere near a sane price.

it would be at least a year, after the newest model has already released

<c​t:xmr.mx> if you are happy with the pixel hardware use graphene, if you need something more specific use that with lineage. Its a tradeoff as usual

<b​asses:matrix.org> if u don't have pixel atm, using any other ROMs till you buy a pixel and flash GrapheneOS on it

<b​asses:matrix.org> use* any other

And when the GrapheneOS support ends?

Which is not a lot of time/

<b​asses:matrix.org> when Google official support ends everything is here grapheneos.org/faq#device-support

<b​asses:matrix.org> they even occasionally provide patches to EOL devices

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> SwasAS

But there aren't that many, and not, say, three years after the support ends, right?

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> I would not flash 'any' „ROM" if does not let you to lock bootlicker.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Better stick with what you have, stock os is more secure then some „ROM"

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> If you want to have a bit more control use DNS

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Yes

<b​asses:matrix.org> >if does not let you to lock bootlicker.

<b​asses:matrix.org> such as? which ROMs does that?

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> *bootloader

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Pixel devices allow to do that. Also by unlocking Pixel you do not loosing guaranty as it happened with another devices.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> So after installing GrapheneOS lock the bootloader and verify OS by using Auditor app to make sure if everything is correct.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Again, everything explained on official GrapheneOS website.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> If you have more question ask on GrapheneOS room here on matrix, they are very helpful.

Not like warranty mattered much anyway, it's like one year. And idk if it was valid at all given that I bought it from an unofficial reseller.

>here on matrix

lol

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> It was about xiaomi.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> They seam to collect data on all there devices, and a lot of it. They dont only make phones you know?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Last time google provided post eol update was to nerf pixel 4 phone battery. Like 2-3 months ago or smthing

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> therecord.media/lithuanian-governme…ensorship-features-in-xiaomi-phones

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> ?

<b​asses:matrix.org> >If you have more question ask on GrapheneOS room here on matrix, they are very helpful.

The stock OS I'd disregard as "fully open to the adversary". I used to treat my old Huawei as a "public place".

<b​asses:matrix.org> Only if I weren't banned

How'd you get banned?

<b​asses:matrix.org> I was asking what ROMs prevent you from relocking the bootloader

<b​asses:matrix.org> idk, I left the room a while ago then tried rejoining just to find out im banned, idk what "spicy" thing I said that got me banned but the reason was "spreading misinfo about GOS"

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Its not a rom thing but a phone thing.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> On many device its "once unlock, forever unlock"

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Oh btw Monero Offtopic :)

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Non-exhaustive list of requirements for future devices, which are standards met or exceeded by current Pixel devices:

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Support for using alternate operating systems including full hardware security functionality

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Complete monthly Android Security Bulletin patches without any regular delays longer than a week for device support code (firmware, drivers and HALs)

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> At least 5 years of updates from launch for device support code with phones (Pixels now have 7) and 7 years with tablets

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Device support code updated to new monthly, quarterly and yearly releases of AOSP within several months to provide new security improvements (Pixels receive these in the month they're released)

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Linux 6.1, 6.6 or 6.12 Generic Kernel Image (GKI) support

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Hardware accelerated virtualization usable by GrapheneOS (ideally pKVM to match Pixels but another usable implementation may be acceptable)

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Hardware memory tagging (ARM MTE or equivalent)

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Hardware-based coarse grained Control Flow Integrity (CFI) for baseline coverage where type-based CFI isn't used or can't be deployed (BTI/PAC, CET IBT or equivalent)

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> PXN, SMEP or equivalent

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> PAN, SMAP or equivalent

<b​asses:matrix.org> ik, it is on GOS website, also now offtopic lol

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> grapheneos.org/faq

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> Seems google planning no longer to open source android anymore

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> Why if in the future everything is closed source, except the kernel?

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> What if in the future everything is closed source, except the kernel?

<b​asses:matrix.org> #monero-offtopic:monero.social

Hey guys it is worth written apps that use multisig? The wallet cli warnings and in the docs scare me

write*

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> This is example of spreading misinformation.