<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Do you guys plan to have memo or mailing list node operators?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I was not aware that the new 0.18.4.0 monero was limiting connections as DDOS prevention or something. And that was causing issue to my nodes normal operation.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> RPC*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yea, trying to notify pools first

<p​laiwanone:matrix.org> Gm

ravfx: do you know which limit you hit? they are quite high by default

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Not in change log ?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Fyi i dont read it either

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Be the change you wanna see in the world

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Making the mailing list

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Make the mailing list

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We can send it from hardware⊙go

0.18.4.0 sync from scratch 13h40m

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Selsta, the rpc private ip (=25)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rav runs a public node (feather)

yes but i'm just confused that there are so many simultaneous connections

25 is a lot for tor

does Feather use tor by default?

nioc: do you remember how this compares to previous versions on your system?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no, but probably that most feather users are inclined to use Tor

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof had to increase to > 100

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rav has over 100 regularly (for months). Likely at least some are malicious, but not increasing stop legit users from being able to connect

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So both of them had to increase private ips and max connections

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Just a reminder for public nodes to decrease the soft buffer limit from 25MiB to 20MB, 25MiB is pretty liberal, and if you increase Tor/private connections limit, any bit of memory constraints can help.

selsta: difficult to tell because of when I did the others, that is how close to release and therefore checkpoints

that node is now off and I will do a continuing sync in some days to get an estimation

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> For me, 1834 for the first 1m blocks is way slower

the last full sync was ~24h

the first 40% of the chain was 30minutes

syntheticbird: i think the soft limit should not be changed otherwise some large RPC requests might not fit in

but i'm not 100% sure

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> selsta, largest i've observed is 15MB with get_output_distribution

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hashi.sbs? new instance unlocked.

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> Why do any of you bother with XMR? Cryptocurrency does not work because you cannot trust people to safely store private keys. All it takes is one misclick, mass spread malware or supply chain to lose all your funds. Monero is unstable. It will definitely fall by at least -90% with the coming recession, because of how correlated it is to the rest of this fraudulent crypto market. W<clipped message>

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> hy is everyone here wasting their time and resources on this nonsense?

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> Why do any of you bother with XMR? Cryptocurrency does not work because you cannot trust people to safely store private keys. All it takes is one misclick, mass spread malware or supply chain attack to lose all your funds. Monero is unstable. It will definitely fall by at least -90% with the coming recession, because of how correlated it is to the rest of this fraudulent crypto ma<clipped message>

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> rket. Why is everyone here wasting their time and resources on this nonsense?

My cat told me to

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> Void Linux recently removed all cryptocurrency packages. People are realizing what a waste of energy and resources cryptocurrency is. Monero is not an exception.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i missed you zcash aka thetruth

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> glad to see you are alive

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> Cats are not as intelligent as humans.

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> How can you be knowledgeable about Rust and computers, but also so easily fooled by cryptocurrency?

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> I’m glad this chat is winding down. Activity is decreasing, and I hope it continues. People really should stop using Monero.

<e​longated:matrix.org> rugpullxmr: try fud elsewhere

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Anti-schizo.png

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> What have I said that is FUD?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Winter is over. I go outside again

<e​longated:matrix.org> Everything 😂

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> so, rugpullxmr is the new juliu? XDDD

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its not FUD, bcuz theres no fear, uncertainty, or doubt, in his words

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> Void Linux has removed all cryptocurrency packages. Leading computing minds, such as Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds, oppose cryptocurrency. It doesn’t work. Monero is included.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm bullish on tugpulls words

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Linus also opposes russia

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And if they never had monero, rhen what were they doing in the first place? Hosting scams?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> offtopic + finland + cope with it + sech1 i still love you

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> Juliu was right. Cryptography is based on the conjecture of one-way functions. There are no mathematical proofs for this. You don’t even understand how it works.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Juliu mentioned let's fucking go

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> How can you be optimistic about the fact that private keys can be easily stolen? Can this even be fixed?

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> unfortunately, there's also NO proof that one-way function isn't fundamentally impossible

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 4rc55femihoe1.gif

<e​longated:matrix.org> Yes, don’t be stupid.

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> It takes only one supply chain attack, and your Monero is gone. It could be any single Linux package. If Monero becomes widespread, the motivation for such an attack increases.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I get robbed everyday, what diff does it make

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> Hardware wallets are not a solution either.

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> I can’t see any of your images, sorry.

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> at a fundamental level, I think the universe doesn't allow one-way functions to exist because according to quantum mechanics, information can't be destroyed (however, we can practically never recover all the info necessary to undermine cryptography)

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> also, when doing cryptography, we're using math which is not bound by physics (for the most part... for example, you can play around with infinity to your heart's content)

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> so, IMO, only in pure mathematics, cryptography is a possibility

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> "I think". You’re basing this on belief, and I don’t trust it at all. Eventually, the cryptography used by Monero and other cryptocurrencies will be broken. It’s a constant cat-and-mouse game, and it can’t go on forever.

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> as for "supply chain" attack, that's much harder to pull off on open-source projects (especially on Monero... our maintainers are much more vigilant + capable)

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> It’s challenging, but not impossible. If such an event occurs, the damage cannot be reversed, and that’s unacceptable, particularly when it involves something as critical as funds.

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> If someone does the same to a bank, they can reverse the damages because it’s centralized. This isn’t possible with cryptocurrency.

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> There are too many flaws, and I could continue to list them. However, this is a waste of time, and the talented developers here should be focusing on other priorities. Please stop wasting your time on Monero.

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> Follow Satoshi’s example. Purposefully lose your private keys or withdraw your Monero into fiat. Move on and stop wasting your potential.

all monero should be disposed into my wallet address, NOW

f

Hello

Unlike humans cats know what is important

rugpullxmr, satoshi lost his btc unintentionally while swimming in a lake

wher here ?

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> knownsec Satoshi recognized that Bitcoin is an absolute failure and danger, and this applies to all cryptocurrency, including Monero.

danger to who?

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> Monero’s concept of private online cash is admirable, but it’s fundamentally incompatible with blockchains and cryptocurrency. Perhaps there will be another approach to implementing this idea in the future.

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> Please review the final Bitcointalk posts authored by Satoshi Nakamoto.

<g​_mate8:matrix.org> I very much share the same views, but many fail to understand it

<c​t:xmr.mx> its funny that you claim that we waste our time, yet you waste your time here arguing???

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> Once the prices of all cryptocurrency decline to levels never seen before, the general public will give up on the idea of cryptocurrency. Normies only care about the price and swindling each other. For anyone with a brain, you don’t need to focus solely on the flawed economics; the very foundations – cryptography, node/mining game theory, and security – were always destined <clipped message>

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> to fail. It will be obvious in hindsight.

<c​t:xmr.mx> what's your goal with this, to pull people back into the collapsing fiat?

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> No arguments here. I’m posting my thoughts and will leave now. Hopefully it helps some developers leave Monero – they are geniuses who need to spend their knowledge elsewhere. That’s my goal.

<c​t:xmr.mx> if thats your interest, then you should better preach to normies, they are easier to convince

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> Focus on work like developing the Linux kernel, improving Rust, or literally anything other than Monero. You’re not soydevs. Stop it and go away. Be like Satoshi.

<c​t:xmr.mx> pls improve anything we can commercially exploit ToT

<c​t:xmr.mx> thats the thing with voluntary work, you do whatever tf you have fun doing

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> I like the idea of digital cash – it won’t work with the current cryptocurrency and blockchain model. It will take much longer to develop it properly. I'm not a fiat shill.

<c​t:xmr.mx> lmao how do you think people come up with new ideas and inventions? Its usually by working on it

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> It’s not voluntary. I assume some developers feel a sense of obligation to the community. I speak for most of the community – we don’t care. Your work will be appreciated on other open-source projects. We want you to work on something else other than Monero.

<c​t:xmr.mx> xmr is far from perfect, but the best we have

<c​t:xmr.mx> "I speak for most" no you fucking dont

<r​ugpullxmr:hashi.sbs> Hopefully, the smart ones here will recognize the situation and finally move on. Thank you and goodbye.

<c​t:xmr.mx> interesting matrix home server 👀

<e​longated:matrix.org> rugpullxmr: and you are the dumb one who came here to troll ?

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Fcmp’s will atleast make it very difficult to even find statistical connections on the blockchain alone. Which is really what’s needed. Plausible deniability isn’t enough.

<c​t:xmr.mx> I was just having fun with the troll hardhatter. Its the best we have right now (compared to other crypto and fiat), but of course things can always be improved

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Oh yea I got that, I just felt like adding to that comment and say one of the most important improvements that I think is needed

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> After we have that one of the hardest challenges that I’m kinda skeptical about ever getting solved is mitigating capture of the currency by the market dominators

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> At least with xmr as it stands it will be apparent when it becomes captured, unlike some other currencies where it may be unclear

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So far, fcmps make it difficult to use as money :D. Lets hope jeffros testnet is a bit faster

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Yea aside from circumventing governments from controlling and monitoring people through trade. Privacy coins also just prevent any party that you transact with from knowing or reasonably estimating how much financial leverage they have against you, or preventing them from gaining any information about your transaction history that they can use against you.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'm talking about speed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nobody is going to use a coin that takes 30mins to build a tx

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> So if txps of xmr will end up never being close to that of non-privacy coins, that’s okay because they have different use cases

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> It would be great if it could do it all

at a certain point you're wishing for magic. fcmp, you can't get something for nothing. the computations cost.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'm not talking about tps

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'm talking about taking 26min at present to send an 8 input tx

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Obv thats _at present_. W/o any optimizations and before any official testnet

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I was implying capacity through txps

construct a tx

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah, construct**

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> But yes I get what you’re saying even at the base line irrespective of the number of transactions it’s difficult to use as cash if 26 is the limit for even a single transaction

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> But yes I get what you’re saying even at the base line irrespective of the number of transactions it’s difficult to use as cash if 26min is the limit for even a single transaction

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nobody is going to stand at the register for 30mins while they wait for the tx to construct

<f​areve:matrix.org> im talking to grok about an new anonymous internet layer with such Interesting concepts.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Some WalletUX work to do very probably, like a one tap button to consolidate transaction while you know you don't need to transact

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> consolidate outputs*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes i know chain bloat

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> That takes 30mins for 8 inputs ..

<f​areve:matrix.org> should I upload the screenshot to a free image hosting sites so y'all can see for yourself or should I post the chat via paste-bin?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> before going in shopping you consolidate your shit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> then you are ready to go

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'm not sitting around for hours everyday after work for consolidate inputs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Takes 3 mins for a 1 input tx. Still much too long

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> paste-bin

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I mean it really depends on priorities

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Spending money

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cry about it, fcmp will come and you'll have no choice but to comply. and I'll look at you like the inferior being that you are on top of my "FCMP Fan" throne.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> /s

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> would like to emphasise again, that those numbers dont include any optimizations

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> If it’s the best option you have to ensure privacy, then for your use case it may be sufficient. If it’s not sufficient then there needs to be a fork or some kind of option to make the trade off for speed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'll literally go back to cash or even zcash 😆, mweb, or basically anything usable

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Unless of course we successfully optimize it so that we get the best of both worlds

a fork that favors speed will obviously then have weaker privacy. what kind of interoperability would it have then with the main chain?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Privacy is important, but not at the cost of destroying the digital cash proposition

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Yea but a more hardened version is still a good option to have and will be useful to people even if it’s slower

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Back to the normal amount after a good night of sleep

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> monero:~/docker-monero-node# netstat -na | grep 18081 | grep 127.0.0.1 | wc -l

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> 429

<f​areve:matrix.org> would y'all like to hear my concept?

no

<f​areve:matrix.org> Why not?I think it's interesting nonetheless

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Been like that for like a year (with a very slow but steady increase)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/HwCGjnqduQrLBbKDPCyEIOWB

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (sels cant see your img)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> oh yeah, sec

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> xmr.mx/media/v1/media/download/Afy0…eC9sY2xoYVhLSnNIZXhtRVVERmdSYmhTamE

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> also be kind enough to write the magic word

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> selsta

<f​areve:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mxwhats xmr.mx?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> That's my matrix home server (does not have anything much here... For now)

i'm not sure i understand the context

is everything working correctly now ravfx?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Right now about ~400 Tor RPC connections

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> And 100 normal non TOR RPC connections

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sel, rav was replying to this "<s​elsta> ravfx: do you know which limit you hit? they are quite high by default"

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But yeah, everything working as usual since I have bumped the limits

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> xmr's value isn't based on privacy so much as "maybe it wasn't me"

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> 😄 ⛑️

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Yea but ideally you wouldn’t even have a useful correlation to go on a hunch

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> which is what fcmp moves us towards

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Becoming a target in the first place is the problem

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I agree

ravfx: the total amount of connections is consistent with before updating? just want to make sure there is no bug with connections not closing properly

Yeah

Ravs has had a high /consistent connection count for many months

The image here show that xmr.mx/media/v1/media/download/Afy0…eC9sY2xoYVhLSnNIZXhtRVVERmdSYmhTamE

that seems to be a 24h graph

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I agree with this

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> wait, I can provide for last 6 month (I deleted old data )

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/cNjiCZCrpsAgBCxhfBJBQLGP

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> this is a little tougher because of a few reasons, first of all who is even interested in this stuff is often exactly who is targeted.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> xmr.mx/media/v1/media/download/AXsP…eC9ZbWx5VHhoeU9GcWVFV3ZjTEt6aHJqcmY

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> The dip in the graph is when TOR failed and I did not notice

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I like the network privacy works xmr has going on, that's good, might even be as important or more than the chain? what do people think?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> And we can see the February attack tentative 😂

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Seam to go up slowly with time

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> that's cool.. how did you generate that image?

<f​areve:matrix.org> @imprevisto:matrix.orgwhos targeted?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> If you use the docker monero node things, it come with it

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I can look into that, thanks! but do you know what part it is?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> It's Grafana

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> Thank you

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Honestly inadequacy of Tor and I2P is probably one of the biggest problems being neglected at the moment

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I mean it’s not totally neglected

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> People are aware but you’d think there would be an effort proportional to the severity of the problem

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> It’s not something the monero community should be responsible for trying to resolve though

i find the amount of connections suspicious but maybe I underestimate the amount of users monero has

Plowsof has similar number of connections iirc

hardhatter: what inadequacy of tor and i2p you are talking about?

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> there's nym, I worked with that a little bit and I have open ended plans to maybe do it again if it comes to be what's right in front of me

there is yggdrasil btw, not sure if it can be used with monero nodes tho

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> also, I think tor is "probably pretty good"

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Selsta, there is also the fact that tor is probably a lot slower (so it take longer for theses to do what they want to do and "inflate" the amount of connections

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> there's been documented attacks on it, but targeted over limited time, (maybe with unpatched versions too)

the biggest threat to tor now is trump, defunding govt agencies that have supported it

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> and to put that in perspective, ssl itself had gaping holes that lingered for years, everywhere

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> @hyc hot take!

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> lul

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> They realistic ways for a government to statistically narrow down who you’re communicating with, but there are configurations to improvement that problem in Tor and I2P. It’s just not the default. But even then there’s still attack vectors that can be done right now.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> For some of those vectors it’s mostly a problem if you’re already a slight person of interest, you’ll then become a major person of interest

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> There’s realistic ways for a government to statistically narrow down who you’re communicating with, but there are configurations to improve that problem in Tor and I2P. It’s just not the default. But even then there’s still attack vectors that can be done right now.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> For some of those vectors it’s mostly a problem if you’re already a slight person of interest, you’ll then become a major person of interest

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I think it's the same idea with the xmr network, where a major problem is when adversaries become integrated with the infra

please don't edit your posts. they get sent redundantly to irc.

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> please don't use IRC... oh wait, I like IRC

don't be a jerk when people ask you politely and say "please"

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Yea except Tor is relatively way more compromised since too many nodes are plausibly feds

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> better than discord bridging :P

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> relax I am joking around. if you're on IRC you are probably pretty cool

those fed nodes may be defuneded too...

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Eh I still don’t trust trump

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I trust he’ll burn who screwed him over

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> But that’s it

You trust politicians?

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> probably accurate. maybe also, if he can't screw someone, he respects them

<y​atta:private.coffee> he would never

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Trump is far from a libertarian

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> mafia, basically

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> And his opinions and policies on free speech is inconsistent

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> maybe with less ethics

he pretty much never pays people that work for him

I can only suppose that means only idiots voluntarily work for him

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> trump speech is anything but free

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> he pays by not screwing them, it's protection racket: mafioso

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> he's threatened journalists, he's going after universities, wants to eliminate any LGBT language, has deported at least one person for speech

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> banned the AP, said CNN should be illegal

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> many such told you so

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> mafia is there because it works. I know there's an xmr mafia, it's clear to me. I just wonder how deep it goes. 😄 I was reading about the 'slow mine' very interesting

slow mine was there from before monero was forked away from the scammers who created it

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> the stationary bandit, sanctioned (sometimes secular) mafia, is just the state

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> @nioc ! yeah, I don't mean to imply there _was_ a conspiracy, IDK

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I mean sometimes he just says hyperbolic shit. Let’s not exaggerate everything that he’s done or realistically attempting.

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I did see that the prior coin monero forked from had what looked like a secret premine

<b​asses:matrix.org> donald bad

<b​asses:matrix.org> please be on topic

bytecoin was premined

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> so that could explain what happened later, with monero. fun to think about

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> did anyone make a nibblecoin? we should

monero was set up with a crippled miner and fast early emissions and was quickly forked away from those that set it up

my guess it that trump discovered crypto and realized he can exfiltrate money from any sources and feel good anywhere in the world even without US citizenship...

was originally called bitmonero which is why you still see that name in the code

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> right

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> yup everything you say is in line with what I read

still debatable whether they should have restarted the chain after discovering the slowmine code

clearly the emission curve was designed to exploit the mining speed

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> it has made me wonder 'who knew' - and especially with fast emission

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> of course you can't prove who didn't know something

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> for me thinking about these things is just fun, I don't really have a point or agenda

:)

for sure the bytecoin devs knew, it was their plan all along.

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> right, that seems clear, so then... who overlapped?

for sure the monero devs didn't know, except for maybe thankfulfortoday, who was sketchy

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> it seems like due to the network privacy stuff we've talked bout (which even satoshi seems to have messed up, at least once) it's hard to tell, but they obviously had some skill

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> the bytecoin people, not this set of overlapping people (who might not even exist)

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> thankfulfortoday came up a lot in my "research"

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I'm just an armchair agatha christie reader

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> no one very serious

hyc you mean.. the zano develops knew all along 😁

they were the same people? I don't keep track

the main zano guy claims to be the writer of bitmonero i guess

a la douglas

s/bitmonero/cryptonote

*bytecoin + boolberry

yes cryptonote

he was working for people

douglas is calling the guy monero's Satoshi

;-D

shilling lol

<h​ello4553:matrix.org> if I receive 8 different tx, it takes 30 minutes to send one tx? that’s a long time...

<h​ello4553:matrix.org> it looks like zcash was the better option all along

hello4553 you read the part abou it's not written yet? not even on testnet yet?

<h​ello4553:matrix.org> jberman has written it, hasn’t he already? I believe rucknium also confirmed that it would make constructing transactions excessively long and unfeasible for <8 inputs

writing |= written

<h​ello4553:matrix.org> when consolidation takes 25 minutes after optimizations, what’s the next cope?

s/when/if

I like the color sky blue pink

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> actually though what's wrong with Halo2 that we shouldn't just steal it

<h​ello4553:matrix.org> there are only 3 valid criticisms of zcash: 1) the organization of ecc and dev tax is not ideal, 2) it should be private by default, and 3) the trusted key setup means it can be backdoored. the xmr community tends to exaggerate, but zcash technology is superior to monero's which is why darkfi is using it

<h​ello4553:matrix.org> nioc gist.github.com/Rucknium/784b243d75184333144a92b3258788f6

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I'm pretty sure number 3 is no longer true after Halo2

yes I know

that is size and verification, not tx construction

4) no one uses zcash, so you're a sitting duck

<h​ello4553:matrix.org> I think monero can benefit from halo 2 with eprint.iacr.org/2024/1661

<h​ello4553:matrix.org> n​ioc you’re right. do you know where the calculations were for building transactions? was it using kayaba’s gist?

That's a stretch... what are the vectors that would be relevant to a monero transaction?

vector commitments

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<q​8monero:matrix.org> hmm

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Yes