<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/CbyERTIJiEvJLWlnmeyHTZIk

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I laughed so hard at this lmao. This has the be THE most cherry-picked chart ive ever seen

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/GezIyWofvZznSXXccCZoetsS

<x​3cc:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/nJZMwwMLkEdbHPvAQgVUueyx

<x​3cc:nope.chat> Wen lambo

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Already got a tesla

<i​ty:itycodes.org> What BTC/ETH/LTC <-> XMR exchange do y'all recommend ?

<i​ty:itycodes.org> What BTC/ETH/LTC -> XMR exchange do y'all recommend ?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Trocador or haveno

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Hmm, how is ff.io ?

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> check kycnot.me

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> it lists plenty of exchanges

<k​evino:tchncs.de> good no issues so far

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> so its better than changenow?

<k​evino:tchncs.de> yeah , usually it offers better prices. Also faster trades

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> just use trocador trocador.app/?ref=YFJL36Szy7

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it picks the best prices automatically and shows you a KYC rating

<k​evino:tchncs.de> wow , referral link :)

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> yes, support monero waifu ^_^

<k​evino:tchncs.de> support bull

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> image.png

<k​evino:tchncs.de> ff will be usually on top of trocador too

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it would have had a disclaimer if matrix would have taken the link

<k​evino:tchncs.de> i use trocador too btw

<x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> If ltc is bought with a KYC exchange then swapped for XMR on trocador, is the XMR still spat out 'anonymous' or are there still links to your original KYC LYC?

<x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> If ltc is bought with a KYC exchange then swapped for XMR on trocador, is the XMR still spat out 'anonymous' or are there still links to your original KYC LTC?

<k​evino:tchncs.de> no links once you withdraw it to your self custody wallet. irrespective of the coin you swapped

<k​evino:tchncs.de> more info in [#monero-support:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/%23monero-support:monero.social)

<k​evino:tchncs.de> that site doesn't do due diligence of services that well. Some information provided is incorrect. i have written it to then

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> Interesting... Thanks for the knowledge

test - did this work? am i in here?

<x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> Wonder if anyone uses the nickname loser__

is buy/sell/trade discussion allowed here? never used an irc before

<a​remor:matrix.org> You can try #monero-markets loser__

thanks <3

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Generally the cheapest, has the lowest minimums I've seen, too.

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> Pretty good

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> But I prefer to use them through Trocador

<x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> A few times i have seen Elolix have the cheapest and the fastest times.

<x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> Fixfloat comes back with low spread but often 40min transfer waits.

<x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> I guess it all depends on the current market rates?

<x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> Not quite sure how it works to be honest

<x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> I've seen Elolix with 0.4% spread and under 10 minute wait.

<x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> Even though the spread is for example, 0.4% - do you still get skimmed a premium for rhe faster transfer speeds?

<b​asses:matrix.org> was hacked

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Eh?

<b​asses:matrix.org> news.bitcoin.com/cryptocurrency-exc…e-to-26-million-lost-in-btc-and-eth

lawl - US govt strikes again

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Oh, that's very old news (this happened over a year ago), and not an attack that bothers me. The only people that suffered were FixedFloat themselves; they lost business funds, not user funds.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> A hack is a hack

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Peckshield, a blockchain security and auditing firm, later found that 1,728 ETH, valued at $4.85 million, and 409 BTC, valued at close to $21 million, were stolen during the still unexplained exploit

non-KYC exchange loses 20 millions, that looks like bad news for users

<3​21bob321:monero.social> It damages your image

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> I don't care about image, I care about code. If it works and doesn't put my funds at risk, I'm happy.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Image is trust

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Don't trust; verify.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Up to you, especially they don't know how it went missing

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Can't verify how it got stolen

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Up to peoples risk tolerance

this has nothing to do with image - if they lose 20 millions they are likely to go out of business

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Not my concern, their loss. I don't need to verify anything about them or their balance sheet, only what happens to the funds I send them and whether I can ensure that I get what I'm paying them for.

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Fine by me 🤷

<3​21bob321:monero.social> As long as you move it off exchange

that's completely retarded

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Are we talking about the same thing here? They're not an exchange that you deposit funds onto, they're a swap platform.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> That comment is

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Oh k

if the exchange get 'hacked' and lose their money they will go out of business - that's obviously bad for users

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Thought it was exchange

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Christ 😅

saying "I don't care" is completely retareded

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> No, it isn't; there are alternatives.

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> I *don't* care.

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Why should I?

right, your comment is competely retarded

as is your attitude

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> My attitude of not caring about whether a business goes bust beacuse there are other businesses and decentralised platforms offering the same service?

I'm not talking about businesses in general but a particular kind of exchange.

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Then we are not talking about the same thing

and a particular kind of attack.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah did issue

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Diff°

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> I am talking only about a business that didn't conduct proper business-level opsec and thus suffered a breach that cost them their own money. I'm not commenting on anything else.

right - you are framing it in a retarded way

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> What other way is there to frame it?

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Why *should* I care, as asked already?

but carry on

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 1. Swap service going under

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 2. Service getting hacked

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Markdown suxs

you should care because they offer a non KYC service

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> But they don't have a monopoly on that service.

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> That service doesn't even need to be offered by a company; DEXs exist.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I think they mean one less operating

<3​21bob321:monero.social> What's haveno trade completed percentage

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Like how much is exactly traded

there are DEXs - that's a fair point - still non-KYC being 'hacked' isn't a good thing.

non-KYC exchanges*

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> You keep asserting it isn't, but without a reason. What's the reason?

the reason should be self-evident. The more non-KYC exchanges, the better

the other implicit point is : you can assume that if a non-KYC exchange was 'hacked' the US govt is likely to be involved. And their sucess is bad news for people.

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Not to me, so an explicit statement of it would be nice. "Self-evident" doesn't teach people anything, it just makes you look like you reason based on feelings rather than logic.

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Where does this implication/conclusion come from? It could be literally any actor, why the US government specifically?

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> It could've been me, for all you know.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> If it was ypu. You should be rich

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Maybe I *am* rich. I haven't been employed for almost 2 years and am doing just fine financially...

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Baller

<x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> Send me 10 xmr then 😝

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> would you consider having 19.04xmr being rich xd

We got him

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> I only donate to worthy causes 🙏

<b​asses:matrix.org> thanks for donating to Monero

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Who is this "Monero"?

<b​asses:matrix.org> XMR

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Never heard of him, are those initials like SBF?

<b​asses:matrix.org> idk who is SBF

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Good, save your brain cells

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sam bank fraud

<b​asses:matrix.org> discuss.privacyguides.net/t/how-do-…o-in-germany-europe-privately/26913

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Google pay

o_0

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> ?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Joke

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rando I answered them in main,couple days ago

<b​asses:matrix.org> no account on forum?

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> I meant to click reply on @basses:matrix.org 's message

<b​asses:matrix.org> what u said is already mentioned in thread

<b​asses:matrix.org> the current question is what "tainted" means

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Associated with illegal activity.

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes, but see context

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Please be clearer, I've read the thread

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Are you the OP?

<b​asses:matrix.org> nope

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> What was the purpose of sharing the thread?

<b​asses:matrix.org> answering them

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Artic mine can answer them