if you have btc, unstoppableswap.

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> if you're on an exchange that doesn't have monero due to legal resitrictions, you can always just buy litecoin and then exchange litecoin for monero on trocador (trocador.app) or tradeogre (tradeogre.com). There are other methods that are more decentralized, but they are more complicated.

have you tried haveno/retoswap? I still don't know which is an instance of which

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> @m-relay:monero.social: I think retoswap is an instance of haveno

<k​riek:matrix.org> Thank you

<k​riek:matrix.org> Bitpap is not safe?

<k​riek:matrix.org> Bitpapa*

retoswap is your best bet

Naive question, but there seemed to be a rough start with haveno/retoswap. I have since avoided until the kewbit scam stuff conclusively calmed down without a reasonable doubt

Is there potential for haveno/reto scammery? or is it becoming as safe localmonero use to be?

kewbit never scammed anything from the reto network. it was from ccs that they stole from

not aware of a "rought start" really. started like any non-fabricated exchange starts. person by person. it's probably safer than localmonero because it's not centralised.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> <N​orrinRadd> kewbit never scammed anything from the reto network. it was from ccs that they stole from << he slandered the network and tried to sell them haveno.com for 10k

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> though, I think oftenfaded is referring to haveno aloha (kewbit's network)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Cheap

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> I’m so much confused some people say bisq some say cake. I opened AppStore there are two apps for cake:

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Which one is easier and what’s the difference

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> cake wallet and monero.com?

<j​ohnfoss68:matrix.org> themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-80

<j​ohnfoss68:matrix.org> Monero moon newsletter, issue 80 👍

<k​evino:tchncs.de> monero really mooned :)

<m​oneroscamto0:matrix.org> Please change this to Bitcoin moon newsletter for issue 81 👍️

<m​oneroscamto0:matrix.org> Bitcoin mooned. Monero is temporarily mooning due to FAKE VOLUME from hackers

<m​oneroscamto0:matrix.org> It will go to 0 like @lordx3nu:matrix.org's darknet maximalism series. No one will watch your videos or buy the tshirts. 0 views we are shutting it down FAKE CYPHERPUNK

retarded cop ^^^

<m​oneroscamto0:matrix.org> You're a hypocrite, aren't you? You claim to despise authority, but you're relying on the very systems you criticize. Who built the internet, hmm? The same governments you rail against. Cops keep us safe, and taxes fund our public services including clean water

retarded cops is retarded

cop even

<m​oneroscamto0:matrix.org> Bitcoin is better for paying taxes. People can hide their view keys with Monero. We need to pay taxes to fund important infrastucture

of course the only reason bitcoin has any value is because it can't be counterfeited by government

something the retarded cop can't even begin to grasp

<m​oneroscamto0:matrix.org> Instead of the government, you get counterfeited by Bitcoin core

lawl - this is way beyond full retard

<m​oneroscamto0:matrix.org> You don't get it

I am banned in Monero pools, any refuge?

And I saw Monero At highs so came to visit after years

monero-pools moved to Rizon.

Educate me what is Rizon

Yeah got it

<s​wijdiwqeqewq:matrix.org> Monero is not the next Bitcoin. While Bitcoin was criticized by governments early on, it was never banned outright from exchanges. If Monero continues to become popular, do not be surprised if governments ban its use entirely, similar to what happened with the Swiss bank privacy regulation laws.

<s​wijdiwqeqewq:matrix.org> I think the EU is already preparing to ban all anonymous cryptocurrencies in 2027, which includes Monero. You need to consider this immense risk. Are you willing to use Monero if it becomes illegal?

Oh Yeah

See in India, due to 30% tax laws, most of us do P2P trades for onramp and offramp which is Illegal but being done like a childsplay

<s​wijdiwqeqewq:matrix.org> P2P for cash?

Yes

Bank Freezes, Tax Notices all part of the risky game

<h​bs:matrix.org> The EU is not banning any cryptocurrency outright, simply making it illegal for regulated entities to deal with anonymous accounts and privacy coins. Monero will continue to operate as usual. I wonder why this BS keeps on being repeated over and over.

<s​wijdiwqeqewq:matrix.org> Give him an inch and he'll take a mile

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> Clickbait and people that only read headlines, that's why

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> But it does set precedent and it can (and probably will) scale to a bigger ban in the future (not that I care though, good luck banning it, Lagarde)

<u​nfitting4694:matrix.org> Hi all, I was wondering if there is any marketplace on which people pay for services and products in Monero

<s​wijdiwqeqewq:matrix.org> xmrbazaar.com

<s​wijdiwqeqewq:matrix.org> monerica.com

<s​wijdiwqeqewq:matrix.org> kycnot.me

#p2pool

I have around 40k hashrate, I used to get several rewards a day, now effort is so high got only 1 within 24hours or so

did I mess up something with my config or just thats what goint on now

--wallet "${WALLET}" --stratum "0.0.0.0:3333" --p2p "0.0.0.0:37888" --rpc-port "18081" --zmq-port "18084" --host "p2pmd.xmrvsbeast.com" --mini

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats just life

<k​evino:tchncs.de> no you did not mess up. The pool hashrate shot up , which means your average share time has also gone up. But your reward per share would also go up in this case. So you will be earning the same as before. Just the timming has changed with overall pool hashrate

Mining using a remote node 🐘

I had some problems with my local one, so for now I'm using remote one before sync is done

btw, any major issue with using remote p2pool node for mining?

How much you earn is based upon your percentage of the network hashrate

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Using remote node = latency receiving txs and blocks, & trust

both feather & monero-gui-wallet are giving me this error, on a tx that should only be about 10 inputs:

Error

Can't create transaction: RPC error: /Users/administrator/dev/monero-gui/ monero/src/wallet/wallet2.cpp:8806:N5tools5error23get_output_distributionE:

failed to get output distribution, Aquest = Daemon reports suspicious number

of rct outputs

Maybe your node is only partly synced.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> are ya I song a remote node

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Using*

the node is local and fully synced

the outputs are probably about 4 years old if that matters

This message means "you are trying to spend an output which is the Nth of that amount on chain, but the node claims there are fewer than N outputs of that amount on chain, which means your output is not on chain, so wtf".

If you can build your own binaries, you can try to log the output it's trying to spend, and the response from the node.

Maybe one (or even both) will look obviously wrong.

Something like paste.debian.net/hidden/7fc0bb11 (not compiled).

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> I am so confused between cake and bisq. Which one is easier and why there is two wallets for cake from different vendors on App Store

Cake wallet is a wallet software that can use monero. Bisq is an exchange (which maybe supports monero, not sure, but haveno is a bisq fork that does for sure). They're differnet types of things.

Cake wallet has two wallets, one called "monero.com" for asshole reasons because they are squatting monero.com.

And the other is still called cake wallet.

They're basically impersonating while claiming they're not because they added a disclaimer after I complained.

AFAIK the "cake" branded one supports many currencies. There might be other differences.

Actually, if from differnet vendors, maybe one is an actual scam. There are fake scam wallets from time to time in various places.\

Cake themselves haven't scammed so far, despite the scummy squatting.

Cake impersonators probably will.

Other known good mobile wallets include Feather and monerujo. There might be others.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> feather is desktop only. Right, bisq is a bitcoin oriented exchange, not a monero wallet. Also desktop only

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Stack Wallet is great

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If there are 2 "cake wallets", only 1 of them is real. Real one should have a vendor like cakelabs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> underappreciated imo

Oh, sorry. Thanks for the feather correction.

how much space does full node take these days?

havent ran a node for long time since i dont have spare space :(

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 95gb pruned

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> About 225gb full

thanks :P

what happened to #monero-pools

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> I’m still confused which one is easier to get monero cake or bisq .

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> And monero.com they are real scammers or just copy the project ..

milas900 "They're differnet types of things"

you cannot compare the two

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> milas, monero.com aren't "scammers" in the first sense of the word

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Yes I know it’s different but if u can explain. So cake is just a wallet and bisq has back end centralized exchanges ? Which one is easier to get xmr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> moneromoo just expressed his anger against the squatting of the monero.com domain. Monero.com is a monero only wallet that is maintained by the same team as Cake Wallet

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's literally the same person behind

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> So what is scummy squatting and impersonating not sure if I get it correctly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> moneromooo is just very unhappy about monero.com website being owned by Cake Wallet and it redirecting to therefore their monero-only wallet, called "Monero.com".

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> That's what he calls impersonating

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> At the very beginning, people were falling in and there were no mentions that monero.com was NOT the monero website

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the real monero website is getmonero.org

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> CAn you help me to understand this

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> What’s the easiest way to get xmr bisq or cake

bisq is not centralized AFAIK. It's a p2p exhchange.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes Bisq is P2P

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's not centralized

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Cake Wallet incorporated in their wallet some partners on-ramp (meaning exchanges that take fiat and give crypto)

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> And cake then has backend centralized exchange right ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they don't have their own backend

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you just have quick access to their partners in the wallet app

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> DFX for example

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> So cake is more centralized less scams ?

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Which one is easier to get xmr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Definitely Cake

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Bisq is light years away from being usable from newbies yet

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> So the partner is a cex right ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Exactly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It means they will request some informations about you depending on their policy and the amounts

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> So cake asks for kyc ?

Ugh. Do they do that *before* you send money ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> From what I understood yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> depends on which on-ramp you take and which amount you ask

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> like I think DFX don't ask for KYC below 1000€

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you would need to check in the app yourself ngl

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> DFX is what ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Swiss fiat on-ramp

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> basically a CEX that only sell crypto for fiat

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Is bisq like local monero website which shut down ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no

bisq is decentralized.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i mean

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes

so, kinda ? :D

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Bisq is Peer to Peer, you will exchange from People to People

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> like localmonero

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but it's also a dedicated software

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that runs on Tor and have its rules

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Yes so they shutdown localmonero but bisq pop up

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> If you are looking for buying Monero anonymously you would prefer to use Retoswap, which is a fork of Bisq that is focused on monero

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> But bisq the idea is tor and software that’s the extra right ?

bisq is pretty old, they changed names.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> actually Bisq existed before localmonero

bitsquare was it ? Not sure...

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah idk ngl

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah idk their old name ngl

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> So is it safe to buy in bisq ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Retoswap aka Haveno, is Bisq but focused on monero. There are plenty of buyers and sellers

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> From what I got from this conversation, I'll be honest it seems to me you lack enough knowledge to adventure yourself into Bisq

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It can be unsafe if you don't know what you do

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Yes that’s why I asked seems an adventure. I want to do it not for sake of monero for sake of adventure

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> But bank is always involved in bisq??

No, people there can do p2p cash too, for example.

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> So need to meet in person ?

you can pay per cash in mail, face to face, giftcards, and also via banktransfer, i afaik there are a bunch of others.

Nice nick ^

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Oh got it with escrow inside so this part seems like local monero

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> disclaimer on cash in mail, some countries are listed but actually prohibits it

Call it mail-in cash then. It sounds like the opposite, so should be allowed :D

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Now another question is seed enough to recover wallet ?

Yes.

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Or need block height

Block height is just to make recovery faster.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You absolutely need the seed

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Just the words that’s it ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the seed is the only for you to recover the wallet

Yes.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah exactly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 25 words

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> or 16 words

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> depends, mobile wallets these days are using 16 words

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Haveno is still using 25 words

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> or 24 idr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> anyway, remember to note the words

24 is really really old, unlikely.

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> I just checked seems monero.com up till 1000 no need kyc but how about monero labs

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> They are different wallets may I confirm

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> moneromooo haveno is derivating the master key differently

Note that anyone with those words can get the monero and run, so keep those words very very secret.

Ah. I did not know, thanks.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> or else you'll end up like bitcoiners with your fingers chop chop somewhere in the middle of France.

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Of course these risks are basics

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> If only Coinbase understood this

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Master key is the public key or address ?

"Coinbase will supply 2 (two) fingers free of charge to any customer supplying proof of amputation"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Addresses are public keys. You meant private key

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> What’s the different between haveno and retroswap

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Addresses are public keys with some extra stuff I think. But what is the master key ?

haveno is software. retoswap is a trading network. you want retoswap

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Haveno is the software. It still needs arbitrators and a minimal infrastructure to work. So when it was released a group called "Reto" engaged in such, they called it RetoSwap

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah like NorrinRadd said, you want RetoSwap

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Getmonero website doesn’t list them

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> getmonero website is fucking outdated

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> But it’s a point of trust

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Raise a ticket there

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i feel your pain

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMAO

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnAI:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr:

💀

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> It’s a big pain . Monero community like efficiency and abbreviations. Use cake everyone shouts then u find 2 cakes and till now I don’t get the difference

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Screenshot

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Objective difference between Monero.com:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Cake Wallet: it's Cake Wallet, nothing to say about it.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Monero.com: It's a Cake Wallet variant that only supports Bitcoin & Monero.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They said "lists 2 cake wallets"

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> And none of them listed in get monero website hha

milas900 both of those do monero. a layman probably wouldn't notice the difference

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero.com isnt cake wallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So idk what they're talking about

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Show me these "2 cake wallets" please. I dont have an iphone

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Both monero.com _is_ listed on getmonero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero.com _is_ listed on getmonero

Sadly.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrn is confused enough like that

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Just update the website to have the cake wallet and not sure what is retroswap

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> getmonero.org/community/merchants

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yeah about that...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> getmonero.org/downloads

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Wallets are on downloads page, not "merchants"

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> In iPhone when u type cake wallet u recieve

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Cake wallet by monero.com

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Cake wallet by cake labs

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> But u bisq is a merchant ?

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> But bisq is a merchant ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Show screenshot

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Of iphone search

try not to dox yourself lmao

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> One of those is probably malicious.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Unless you read wrong.

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Two of them by cake technologies lol in developer

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ok then you need to learn to read

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because only one of them is called cake wallet

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/NdpZqawKEreERvGHRfzXSApD

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> That’s the confusion

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> There are no confusion ofrnxmr is being picky ass

1. cake wallet by cake technologies

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The bottom one is cake wallet

2. monero.com by cake wallet by cake technologies

<r​ucknium:monero.social> milas900: Complain here ---> #cakewallet:monero.social

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The one called cake wallet is cake wallet

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Tutorial: how to lose someone over 3 pages of chat over semantic

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the one called monero dot com by cake wallet is monero dot com by cake wallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The one called "monero.com by cake wallet" is monero.com by cake wallet

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> xD

🤯

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> JINX

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Genius

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> thanks

Well, the intent *was* to confuse people. Though not in that specific way...

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> .. so what about retroswap

reto, not retro. Careful about spelling, it's how scammers get marks.

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Or havano

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> lol

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> retroswap and havano lol kewbit getting ideas for domains

Havano, the famous p2p cigars

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Haveno not havano

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> So u gonna add them to getmonero website ?

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> And from there we can see the name :)

If it's not, you can file a PR (or request) on github (monero/monero-site IIRC).

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> retoswap can add them

Or ask anout it on #monero-site.

<b​asses:matrix.org> there's already a pr to add haveno

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> I heard about it from u I don’t know what’s that

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> retroswap already exists. its a place where you can travel back in time to buy bitcoin

<b​asses:matrix.org> actually it is an issue monero-project/monero-site #2304

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> i am not joking its a real thing

<b​asses:matrix.org> plowsof we should open PR with changes in that issue

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> retroswap.org

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> @plowsof

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> · 12 months ago

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> !remindme 1 year

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks for the reminder, lets see if haveno has listed reto swap

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They have not

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> get it haveno(t)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> they "have no reto"

<b​asses:matrix.org> they won't I think?

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> So what is tari is it related to monero ?

<b​asses:matrix.org> shouldn't be relevant to getmonero.org anyways, can just list haveno and under it Reto network with an added warning

<b​asses:matrix.org> or no warning, depends on worst you think they can do

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> What is the added warning ? It’s not safe

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They can drain the orderbook

<b​asses:matrix.org> it is safe

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Drain like rug pull hhha

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yea. Still a lot of trust involved with the way haveno is currently designed

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> LEO can set up shop and start shipping cash by mail / bank transfer orders until they find some big players if its worth their time

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> arbitrators can open trades against the entire orderbook, dispute them, award themselves the xmr

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> How about bisq?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> haveno stats

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> +9iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 6yu

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> They told me it’s based on bisq

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Arbitrators would be the buyer (1 sig) the arbitrator (2 sig). 2/3 of the sigs needed in a 3 signature multisig

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> interrupted by a cat sorry, havenos stats may be its downfall in the end if/when it gains attention

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bisq has a dao and some differenct method of doing disputes. I dont think the attack is viable there

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> also, relies on anon network , tor,

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Haveno is based on bisq, but haveno has an entirely centralized administration and mediation

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Why it’s a dao dao should have local currency

tari is another entirely different cryptocurrency. It merge mines with monero, that's its only relation.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> bisq has bsq currency

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Oh sounds like I need bisq to transact ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont uae bisq. No idea

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You need bitcoin though

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Is it governance token or utility bisq

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If you're trying to buy xmr using cash, you cant do much better than retoswap atm

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Bisq coin seems dead lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> do you plan on making a purchase today

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> No why

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Have you decided on or installed a monero wallet yet?

if reto is the move when you got da cash, what is the move if you tryna convert dirty litecoin?

<j​effro256:monero.social> Also Reto

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> basicswap