<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> yo, that's wild 👏 just curious, which would be a better investement for a new miner? one really good AMD CPU or 6 old laptops with decent consumer grade Intel CPUs? thinking about making an optimized gentoo ebuild if the first option is better

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> intel sucks for mining as they dont have cache, an i7 3770 mines at max 2.7khs (xmrig.com/benchmark?cpu=Intel%28R%2…ore%28TM%29+i7-3770+CPU+%40+3.40GHz) but only on 4 threads, it has not enough cache to mine on all its 8 threads

lol, wut? fireice_uk is still around, and still shooting against Monero? See the stickied comment here: old.reddit.com/r/zec/comments/1m1ja…g_what_monero_never_will_real_swaps

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> thanks a lot for the prompt response, have an awesome weekend!

i hadn't heard of naxo.com before

<e​ddie:oblak.be> 17lifers (Ryan): how much hash power is that? you must have quite a big rig?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Zephyr: my best guess is that old hardware will eat in your profit because it's not very efficient

<e​ddie:oblak.be> But I also wonder, better have 1 powerfull AMD EPYC or several cheaper AMD Ryzen's ? What is the sweet spot?

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> if you make a large down payment, it might be nicest to have a few EPYCs so you could mine in your own pool

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> so might be worth starting with an EPYC for that use case

<e​ddie:oblak.be> If I calculate correctly, to get 450 USD / day you need like 20 MH/s?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> sorry, per month

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I think I made a mistake somewhere :)

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> i didnt say a day

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> ;-;

<e​ddie:oblak.be> yeah I realize

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/OPMUhGqjhjdCymgJONVllwGY

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> this hashvault guy can pull it off

<e​ddie:oblak.be> more like 7 MH/s?

<s​herry:unredacted.org> hi human beings, how about Opteron 6386 for mining xmr?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> or what about ARM vs AMD?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> beep boop i'm a bot 🤖

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> xmrig dot com slashhhhhhh benchmark! thats again, xmrig dot com slash benchmark.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> The rates on xmrig benchmark, they are in H/S right?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> no theyre in turkish lira per hour

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/PDehmAsjKyDIZQuCvYCrXtVq

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> 13khs

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> if rounded off 13khs

<e​ddie:oblak.be> So you would need like 3 to 4 AMD EPYC 9965 192-Core's to mine 15 dollar / day (rough estimate, current situation).

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> if it's 7MH/s for $450/month then you need like 30

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I suck at math sorry 😂

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> you good chief

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> [@eddie:oblak.be](https://matrix.to/#/@eddie:oblak.be) , do you know if it's a bad idea to use cake wallet to purchase BTC with fiat over orbit and then transfer that to monero? feel like the answer is yes but can't find where to confirm the issue

<e​ddie:oblak.be> No I have no idea what orbit is

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I don't use cake either, except for small payments with the phone

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> *orbot. mobile tor cliemt

<e​ddie:oblak.be> depends on how you buy the BTC, if it's in your own name using tor doens't make much sense

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> fake your name being "Hatsune Miku"

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> >w<

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> \>\w\<

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> \>w\<

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I used to buy BTC with cash using an ATM , then swap that into XMR

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> interesting, forgot ATMs have BTC. doesn't the ATM still have a camera and know what wallet you're using?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> depends on where the ATM is I guess

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Or you mean built-in camera?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Never realized that's possible

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Haven't used it in a while because it became less acessible

<e​ddie:oblak.be> not affiliated but used it once, it's quite nice: peachbitcoin.com

<e​ddie:oblak.be> P2P bitcoin trading, no KYC

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> thank you for the link. seems similar to cake, but i'll check the documentation for both

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> now for a funny final question. is XMR a better alternative investment than a retirement plan? or is the possibility of the protocol being deanonymized or lacking solid dev maintainence make it too risky for the super long term?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> You answered it yoursel

<e​ddie:oblak.be> You answered it yourself

there is no 'digital' alternative coin that is better than a regular retirement plan

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> step 1: get born

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> step 2: get rich

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> step 3: retire

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> ez, life speedrun

yes, just step 2 isn't easy to accomplish :P

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> idk, if you were born in Venezuela then Robux or Runescape gold might be > retirement plan

<e​ddie:oblak.be> retirement plans typically don't consist of 1 underlying investment

<e​ddie:oblak.be> but are a mix of various things

<e​ddie:oblak.be> they are often also rewarded tax breaks etc because it's a scam by bankers and gov'ts

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> just xmrig hard enohgh 👍️👍️👍️

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> just xmrig hard enough 👍️👍️👍️

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> anyone remember xmr went to 400

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> it could go up any time then u get rich

<e​ddie:oblak.be> anyone remember when XMR was worth 1 dollar?

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> ^insert gambler fallacy digging image

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> 99% of xmriggers quit before xmr at 1000usd

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I remember I bought at that price then it went to 100 😂

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> lmao

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/mnOXGNWSeBjwrPrjLwnyJQxq

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> such excitement

> is XMR a better alternative investment than a retirement plan?

which number go up best?

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> thanks for the confirmation. it's just interesting to think that if shit hits the fan in your country (even if not currency related), you can nope out and live comfortably elsewhere with enough xmr

<e​ddie:oblak.be> sure, but I would never use 1 asset for a retirement *plan*

<e​ddie:oblak.be> if you want safety you need diversification

<e​ddie:oblak.be> never try to predict the future, but invest in a way that *whatever* happens it doesn't affect you too much.

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> smart, i appreciate learning finances from a historical figure and a hatsune miku pfp

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> \>.\<

<e​ddie:oblak.be> if you haven't already, booktip; fooled by randomness

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I don't agree with everything Taleb says, for example he doesn't understand crypto, but he has a lot of really interesting ideas regardless

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> b-b-but Luke Smith said Taleb wasn't based and redpilled on twitter anymore

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Read the book then judge yourself

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> bet

yo - are people normally banned from #monero-pools?

also, are we cooked? qubic-xmr-stats.streamlit.app

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The room ia banned

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> panic sell

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> monero is doomed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> qubic has won

thanks m-relay

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> always a pleasure

anyone who isn't pushing for a new world order coin have some thoughts?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Network reports far less hr than pools

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Qubic probably lying

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They have 9% of the last 100 blocks

🤔

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Support 35, hashvault 23, nano 17, qubic 9

that's still pretty significant in a short amount of time? since starting in May?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tis what happens when you run a botnet, isnt it?

my thoughts exactly.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We had a botnet with 1.5gh before

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> That cycled on and off every 12hrs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> When global hash was like 3gh

<e​ddie:oblak.be> There is no panic sell, price dropped 0.3% last 24h

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> i wish its owner were me id be very rich >.<

so like, on the edge of a 51% attack?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I panic sell low and panic buy high. Am i winning yet?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They got arrested

lmao

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> every 12h? sounds like they didn't wanna get caught when employees were working

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i call that relationship symbiotic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ya

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> they were gaming the difficulty adjuatment

ok. we can't really do anything except get more people to mine.

that's the mission.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> There's only one solution, add more diversified hashrate

<e​ddie:oblak.be> indeed

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> the fun begins @ nite(tm)

why then?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> get more miners :3

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> xmrig harder :3

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> obtain more stuff >:33333

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> nahh its just

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/rWJraoVhmwBxoTXGszuZxIez

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> get friends to download beta of your desktop application for your newly released saas software

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> you all should join hashvault's discord for daily comedy lmao

WTF - Qubic's fouders twitter: x.com/c___f___b/status/1948658611284070517

sorry for posting a twitter link, i hate it too

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> use nitter.net

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> to the guys saying it should be xcancel: nitter works again, so use that

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> `I Synced 241736/3463378 (6%, 3221642 left, 0% of total synced, estimated 2.1 years left)`

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> guess i'll have my node ready in 2 years 🤩

<e​ddie:oblak.be> he's still a long way of the 51 %

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> ```I Synced 241736/3463378 (6%, 3221642 left, 0% of total synced, estimated 2.1 years left)```

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> guess i'll have my node ready in 2 years 🤩

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> "most of you rent it"

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> The qubic meme will be over after their halving in several weeks

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/zNnCZhqPrduKyFeInmjdoEpA

<e​ddie:oblak.be> does anyone actually understands how he does it, and what it costs to him?

alexandre, isn't their pruning available?

will do on nitter. i really just wanted to find a twitter client. Squawker works pretty well on mobile.

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> i am trying to run github.com/lalanza808/docker-monero-node , perhaps there's some config to speed up the process

eddie - Qubic has no consensus mechansim. the developers literally choose what they want each miner to do

im not sure if miners can opt in or out to the merge mining

then there's the 676 (intersting number) computors that allocate rewards out

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Using an SSD or and HDD?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> image.png

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> i believe the storage of the node is on a hdd, does it require lot's of random access?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> you don't need much ram, you need a fast disk

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> yeah, but the disk is fast, i'm just asking if the download requires lots of random rw (which hdds suck)

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> it must be an rhdd (really hard disk drive)

<e​longated:matrix.org> Yes

<e​ddie:oblak.be> also, the 2 years estimation is not the time it will take to download the blockchain but how far you are behind from the tip

<e​longated:matrix.org> Ssd > hdd

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> Miners are incentivized to mine in their pool because of profitability. That's really it. Their payouts are going to get cut in half soon which will make it much harder to grow. Plus, their profitability goes down as more miners join.

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> oh, that makes me slightly less concerned, still, been booting up for like 3-4 days xD

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> and my network should be somewhat fast (500Mbps+)

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> but i'll change the storage to ssd and see if it starts any faster

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Really I don't mind qubic try to annoy the community, keeps everyone sharp ^^

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> It is exposing how poor p2pool adoption is, to be honest

they are helping reduce the top pools >50% share of hash , thank you and please continue

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I was concerned before that it might be possible for a very wealthy party to buy a large chunk of the network

<e​ddie:oblak.be> if the incentive is to gain control no matter the cost, it can be done

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> p2pool 4 lyfe <33

<e​ddie:oblak.be> also that, I agree

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> I'm a solo miner gigachad 😎

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> p2pool is solo? if no ill cry cuz then im not gigachad ;-;

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> xenu: >.<

<c​:frei.chat> Anyone?

still - this type of behavior is disgusting and should be called out. rallying for a campaign to get more people mining monero next week

it was shared that their block performance hasn't improved for 2 months - so realistically they are lying about their hashrate - capped out on their botnet's resources

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, its the time

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its the time

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Is it?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Oh, I assumed it was distance to tip because it never takes as long as it says (on my end) to sync

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3.2M blocks behind is not 2.1yrs, its 12yrs

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> user will be waiting for 2 years? id rather die

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Sure, my bad then

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i'd probably die of old age

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> monero is only for the cool kids

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> yeah, sounds like either a nfs or hdd issue, on an ssd is way faster, have to expand the storage tho, I've read the bc is now at ~200GB?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> a little more, and if you want to have enough for the foreseable future get like 500 GB at least. You can also have a pruned node, which is around 95 iirc

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> any downsides in running a pruned node?

<c​bradford:matrix.org> For me even when I tried to do the initial sync as a pruned node, I needed a 500GB SD card to make it work

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No downsides for regular users

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Full is 230, pruned just over 90

Binaries for v0.18.4.1 are now available at getmonero.org

<e​ddie:oblak.be> What will happen if the EU makes XMR illegal? Thoughts on this?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> bold of them to try to find me cuz i dont use cex

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> guys never submit your id, law enforcement can get you any time with yo exchanged xmr, so you better use nonkyc stuff

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Will it become illegal then to mine XMR?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I don't understand this "financial crime" fetish

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> what are they gonna do

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> remove my xmrig?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> shut down p2pool?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> scare newbies from joining

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> matrix is uncensored. if this room's server goes down, the others federate it

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> we'll help the newbies :3

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> one of the main reasons i got interested in monero is the idea of it possibly getting banned 🤣

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> yessss fucking based gigachad u are 🫂🤝

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I just wonder who is getting a hard-on from fighting XMR

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> same guy who nuked kraken

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> watch out for fcmp

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> that coin gonna SOARRRRR

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Aren't it those annoying women like christine lagarde etc 😂

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> watch out for fcmp++

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> the eu is getting strong on the streisand effect. By even mentioning that they are gonna ban it they are raising awareness that it exists

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> who dat

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> old ass mf, ok

<e​ddie:oblak.be> President of ECB

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Mummie Mommy

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> oh no

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> they'll steal mine and everyone else's xmr

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> everyone's wallet will get drained

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> see nobody can stop xmr

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Sure, but XMR should be legal whether they can stop it or not

<e​ddie:oblak.be> It makes no sense to make a currency illegal

<e​ddie:oblak.be> it's like saying people can't have Pesos

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> if you make a tx you will have to know wether its one of the 9 stealth txes etc

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> need more ways to use it as an actual currency tho, I saw a site that lists some places which accept it, but there's not that many

<e​ddie:oblak.be> monerica you mean?

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> yep

<e​ddie:oblak.be> you are right

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> mullvad vpn, kyunhosting, xmrbazaar for devices, arch linux, proxy shopper for anime character plushies...

<e​ddie:oblak.be> But the EU banning it would be bad for business

<e​ddie:oblak.be> But the EU banning it would be bad for business / adoption

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> mullvad vpn, kyunhosting, xmrbazaar for devices to install arch linux, proxy shopper for anime character plushies...

<e​ddie:oblak.be> That's a bit my fear they will not bother about the individual users and P2P but businesses who accept XMR will get issues if they are based in europe

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> convert to ltc with changenow

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> lel

<e​ddie:oblak.be> sure, but preferably no swaps are involved :)

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Maybe XMR community needs to identify lobbyists, bribe them and get this stupid law from the table 😂

eddie the government can do anything it wants including banning 'currencies'

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I don't say they cant, I say a lot of things governments do make no sense

well they make complete sense from the point of view of government

I think you mean that what government does is bad for humans

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> we can do what we want too

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> fuck society we ball

you can try and get killed

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> oh no, they'll kill me for pressing a button

of course

<e​ddie:oblak.be> yeah some would

they will kill you for not obeying their dictates

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/wTbABRhPmGpYDBwCnmoUhbdL

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> me here like ^^

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Still, EU is making no sense at all. They have "privacy legislation" to force companies to take the privacy of people seriously, with a ffn cookie banner and whatnot. And on the same token they try to ban the best privacy tools available. Not just XMR, but also E2EE...

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> next theyll ban everyone with a rooted phone

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> too few data collection :w

<e​ddie:oblak.be> It's like forcing car makers to make safe cars but forbidding them to install airbags

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> next theyll ban everyone using a rooted phone

eddie 'privacy legislation' in EU is an obvious and complete lie. The EU is run by joogle, crapple and the rest of silicon valley.

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> what u gon do? flee to asia?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> (the cities look really cool there tho >.<)

asia has the same problem with different assholes at the top

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Yeah, I'll go live in China where going on the internet is illegal 😅

and that's the part of asia that are not under outright US control

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> no tf it isnt

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> just a few sites are blocked

It's like forcing car makers to make safe cars but forcing them to add a "disable airbag" radio command the car listens to, and giving police and various random govt employees the fob to control those.

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> and use vmess2 to bypass gfw

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> easy

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> and use vmess to bypass gfw

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I was exaggerating of course

<e​ddie:oblak.be> But remember all the miners fled China couple years back

Oh. I read "fled to". nvm.

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> one can easily use wechat to communicate with chinese people etc

lifers it certainly may be the case that china isn't as bad as the western shithole, but china isn't libertarian either.

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> github and bing works in china, etc

<e​ddie:oblak.be> where a DM always involves 3 people 😂

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> there are a lot of gfw bypass repos on github so chinese will see that too

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> even google made a tool to bypass the gfw xD (outline i believe)

<e​ddie:oblak.be> It's better to go to small countries that don't have the resources to take all kind of silly measures against the free internet

bypassing the 'chinese firewall' isn't the biggest problem for people in china at all.

why would they bother reading western propaganda anyway

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> vrchat game works in china, so they can communicate with the rest of the world aswell

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> know 2 chinese ppl, one in australia other using vpn ^_^

>even google made a tool to bypass the gfw

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> lel

<e​ddie:oblak.be> China has a 1 party democracy, go figure

of course, joogle-CIA-NSA wants the firewall gone so they can flood china with propaganda

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> as2333 so basepilled or something

look at the resident cop-retard ^^^^

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ufw bypassed ?

<e​longated:matrix.org> Is this quibit hashrate even real ? Or just faking stats on their api ; does global hashrate go up when they show non zero h/s ?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> gist.github.com/Rucknium/0873b10b6d36ff6c9d6f8f54107d16f7

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> other than the obviously superior website aesthetics, is the main advantage of kyunhosting over vultr the privacy aspect?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> pay in xmr

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> what ur aiming for right

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> i guess so. neat!