<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> yo, that's wild 👏 just curious, which would be a better investement for a new miner? one really good AMD CPU or 6 old laptops with decent consumer grade Intel CPUs? thinking about making an optimized gentoo ebuild if the first option is better

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> intel sucks for mining as they dont have cache, an i7 3770 mines at max 2.7khs (xmrig.com/benchmark?cpu=Intel%28R%2…ore%28TM%29+i7-3770+CPU+%40+3.40GHz) but only on 4 threads, it has not enough cache to mine on all its 8 threads

lol, wut? fireice_uk is still around, and still shooting against Monero? See the stickied comment here: old.reddit.com/r/zec/comments/1m1ja…g_what_monero_never_will_real_swaps

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> thanks a lot for the prompt response, have an awesome weekend!

i hadn't heard of naxo.com before

<e​ddie:oblak.be> 17lifers (Ryan): how much hash power is that? you must have quite a big rig?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Zephyr: my best guess is that old hardware will eat in your profit because it's not very efficient

<e​ddie:oblak.be> But I also wonder, better have 1 powerfull AMD EPYC or several cheaper AMD Ryzen's ? What is the sweet spot?

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> if you make a large down payment, it might be nicest to have a few EPYCs so you could mine in your own pool

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> so might be worth starting with an EPYC for that use case

<e​ddie:oblak.be> If I calculate correctly, to get 450 USD / day you need like 20 MH/s?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> sorry, per month

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I think I made a mistake somewhere :)

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> i didnt say a day

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> ;-;

<e​ddie:oblak.be> yeah I realize

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/OPMUhGqjhjdCymgJONVllwGY

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> this hashvault guy can pull it off

<e​ddie:oblak.be> more like 7 MH/s?

<s​herry:unredacted.org> hi human beings, how about Opteron 6386 for mining xmr?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> or what about ARM vs AMD?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> beep boop i'm a bot 🤖

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> xmrig dot com slashhhhhhh benchmark! thats again, xmrig dot com slash benchmark.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> The rates on xmrig benchmark, they are in H/S right?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> no theyre in turkish lira per hour

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/PDehmAsjKyDIZQuCvYCrXtVq

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> 13khs

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> if rounded off 13khs

<e​ddie:oblak.be> So you would need like 3 to 4 AMD EPYC 9965 192-Core's to mine 15 dollar / day (rough estimate, current situation).

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> if it's 7MH/s for $450/month then you need like 30

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I suck at math sorry 😂

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> you good chief

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> [@eddie:oblak.be](https://matrix.to/#/@eddie:oblak.be) , do you know if it's a bad idea to use cake wallet to purchase BTC with fiat over orbit and then transfer that to monero? feel like the answer is yes but can't find where to confirm the issue

<e​ddie:oblak.be> No I have no idea what orbit is

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I don't use cake either, except for small payments with the phone

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> *orbot. mobile tor cliemt

<e​ddie:oblak.be> depends on how you buy the BTC, if it's in your own name using tor doens't make much sense

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> fake your name being "Hatsune Miku"

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> >w<

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> \>\w\<

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> \>w\<

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I used to buy BTC with cash using an ATM , then swap that into XMR

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> interesting, forgot ATMs have BTC. doesn't the ATM still have a camera and know what wallet you're using?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> depends on where the ATM is I guess

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Or you mean built-in camera?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Never realized that's possible

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Haven't used it in a while because it became less acessible

<e​ddie:oblak.be> not affiliated but used it once, it's quite nice: peachbitcoin.com

<e​ddie:oblak.be> P2P bitcoin trading, no KYC

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> thank you for the link. seems similar to cake, but i'll check the documentation for both

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> now for a funny final question. is XMR a better alternative investment than a retirement plan? or is the possibility of the protocol being deanonymized or lacking solid dev maintainence make it too risky for the super long term?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> You answered it yoursel

<e​ddie:oblak.be> You answered it yourself

there is no 'digital' alternative coin that is better than a regular retirement plan

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> step 1: get born

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> step 2: get rich

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> step 3: retire

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> ez, life speedrun

yes, just step 2 isn't easy to accomplish :P

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> idk, if you were born in Venezuela then Robux or Runescape gold might be > retirement plan

<e​ddie:oblak.be> retirement plans typically don't consist of 1 underlying investment

<e​ddie:oblak.be> but are a mix of various things

<e​ddie:oblak.be> they are often also rewarded tax breaks etc because it's a scam by bankers and gov'ts

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> just xmrig hard enohgh 👍️👍️👍️

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> just xmrig hard enough 👍️👍️👍️

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> anyone remember xmr went to 400

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> it could go up any time then u get rich

<e​ddie:oblak.be> anyone remember when XMR was worth 1 dollar?

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> ^insert gambler fallacy digging image

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> 99% of xmriggers quit before xmr at 1000usd

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I remember I bought at that price then it went to 100 😂

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> lmao

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/mnOXGNWSeBjwrPrjLwnyJQxq

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> such excitement

> is XMR a better alternative investment than a retirement plan?

which number go up best?

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> thanks for the confirmation. it's just interesting to think that if shit hits the fan in your country (even if not currency related), you can nope out and live comfortably elsewhere with enough xmr

<e​ddie:oblak.be> sure, but I would never use 1 asset for a retirement *plan*

<e​ddie:oblak.be> if you want safety you need diversification

<e​ddie:oblak.be> never try to predict the future, but invest in a way that *whatever* happens it doesn't affect you too much.

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> smart, i appreciate learning finances from a historical figure and a hatsune miku pfp

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> \>.\<

<e​ddie:oblak.be> if you haven't already, booktip; fooled by randomness

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I don't agree with everything Taleb says, for example he doesn't understand crypto, but he has a lot of really interesting ideas regardless

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> b-b-but Luke Smith said Taleb wasn't based and redpilled on twitter anymore

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Read the book then judge yourself

<m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> bet