<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> Hi guys, I made this guide: reddit.com/user/314stache_nathy/com…ments/1mej8fo/guide_to_your_freedom

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> I hope you like it :)

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> It is licensed under a CC0 public property license.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> I ask you to spread this information if possible (by the way, I recommend that you put the link to my post because I will update it when necessary, but if I stop updating it, I ask you to do me a favor).

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> It contains a short guide on how to use Monero.

<b​asses:matrix.org> bruh

<b​asses:matrix.org> this is a bad guide, sorry

<b​asses:matrix.org> mix of random tools/websites and random advices from Dread etc (which has terrible recommendations)

<b​asses:matrix.org> the first link privacyguides makes a better recommendation the the rest of the guide you wrote

<b​asses:matrix.org> only about 20% of the guide is useful

<b​asses:matrix.org> actually 5%

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> The “random links” are forums, I made that clear.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> And what are the random tools?

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> Perhaps I've misunderstood something, so I'd be grateful if you could explain.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> And if possible, could you tell me what tools would be useful to use?

fiatmoneysucks: how good is opsec bible?

i've heard of their shit around these kind of places

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> I met OPSEC bible (from nihilist) through Sam Bent website, people earn in Monero for good shipments.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> It's very detailed, I highly recommend it.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> I don't recommend d/OPSEC because its creator is extremely stupid.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> But well, draw your own conclusions and use it according to your threat model.

oooh cool

<b​asses:matrix.org> I obviously won't comment on every single recommendation you added, but here are some examples:

<b​asses:matrix.org> >Browsers: -> All browsers are a shit, I recommend you use Hydraveil.net with YaCy to solve this. (Use YaCy over Tor too: yacy.net/operation/yacy-tor)

<b​asses:matrix.org> wtf is that even supposed to mean?

<b​asses:matrix.org> >simplifiedprivacy

<b​asses:matrix.org> lmao

<b​asses:matrix.org> Molly has 2 variants, 1 foss and other isn't molly.im/fdroid.html

<b​asses:matrix.org> and many more issues...

<b​asses:matrix.org> most of recommendations you make (written by you) are against privacyguides (which is the only good resource among all you listed)

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> Could you tell me what?

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> I don't rely 100% on PrivacyGuides, if I did I'd just copy and paste all from PG.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> YaCy is a decentralized search tool, it's possible to make it use the Tor network in a way, I'm going to put SearXNG in now (I was tidying up and putting other things in the guide).

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> Yes, Molly has a 100% FOSS version, I'll specify in the guide even though people will probably notice that there are 3 versions of Molly.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> But thanks for the warnings and information, I hope I can make the guide better over time ;)

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> If there's anything else you'd like to say, I don't see any problems.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> Could you tell me what?

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> I don't only info from PrivacyGuides, if I did I'd just copy and paste all from PG.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> YaCy is a decentralized search tool, it's possible to make it use the Tor network in a way, I'm going to put SearXNG in now (I was tidying up and putting other things in the guide).

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> Edit: I recommended Hydraveil because it creates greater protection against fingerprinting, and frankly no browser can do that on its own.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> (simplifiedprivacy.com/web-browsers-…-os/and-the-program-is-tyranny.html)

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> I recommended Hydraveil because it creates greater protection against fingerprinting, and frankly no browser can do that on its own.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> (simplifiedprivacy.com/web-browsers-…-os/and-the-program-is-tyranny.html)

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> Could you tell me what?

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> I don't only info from PrivacyGuides, if I did I'd just copy and paste all from PG.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> YaCy is a decentralized search tool, it's possible to make it use the Tor network (yacy.net/operation/yacy-tor), I'm going to put SearXNG in now (I was tidying up and putting other things in the guide).

<b​asses:matrix.org> if you are taking advice from simplified guy, then idk what to tell you

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> I don't understand what you mean.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> Is there a problem with SimplifiedPrivacy?

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> If so, what?

<b​asses:matrix.org> he doesn't know what privacy is

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Loopback address

<t​orir:matrix.org> 3.14stache: My primary red flags for Simplified Privacy (from the one article you linked):

<t​orir:matrix.org> 1. The website doesn't talk about formulating a threat model. Your privacy needs and risks differ greatly depending on whether you are, for example, merely waiting to avoid being tracked by advertisers, or if you are a targeted political activist.

<t​orir:matrix.org> 2. The entire article is written to appeal to emotion, not to reason. It's an appeal to paranoia, it's meant to make you more emotional.

<t​orir:matrix.org> 3. The article appears to exist merely to act as an ad for HydraVeil, a paid product. The author has a clear conflict of interest here when it comes to promoting privacy tools.

<t​orir:matrix.org> In my opinion, if you install and use QubesOS, you'll get pretty much all of the benefits of HydraVeil, plus more:

<t​orir:matrix.org> 1. Qubes is free.

<t​orir:matrix.org> 2. Qubes can protect against fingerprinting in ALL applications, not just your web browser.

<t​orir:matrix.org> There are caveats there, obviously, blocking fingerprinting entirely is hard, but having disposable VMs is a great start.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Update: It's not clear to me if HydraVeil is paid or not...

<3​21bob321:monero.social> They seem to push paid services more then to help

quick question, when trying to avoid KYC when getting monero. is the standard just to do KYC-Bitcoin -> atomic swap to XMR

im looking through bisq right now and some people in my country's currency do stuff like credit card for BTC

so like what do you guys do

<b​asses:matrix.org> you can buy litecoin from CEX KYC, btc has higher fees.

<b​asses:matrix.org> >bisq

<b​asses:matrix.org> There's also Haveno, which is built for Monero.

right kk

<e​ddie:oblak.be> jush, kycnot.me/?categories=exchange&min-score=9

<e​ddie:oblak.be> you can lower the score for more kyc tolerance

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I like peach bitcoin, they're also on there score 8

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Also I like the idea (if you can of course) of just buying hardware with cash and then mine XMR

on peach do you just use revolut as the payment method or what

just saying revolut cause it was one of the methods there

<e​ddie:oblak.be> depends on what the seller accepts

Can you generally trust the seller or just go by reputation score

<e​ddie:oblak.be> you check the reputation and you try with low amounts first. It has an escrow service

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> haveno is the best option for p2p monero

<e​ddie:oblak.be> monerobull: you need to install retoswap to use haveno right?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I was confused by that in the beginning, I can imagine other newbies will be too 😁

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> here:

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Hash: SHA512

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> New Release! Please update to resume trading:

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> github.com/retoaccess1/haveno-reto/releases/tag/1.2.1-1

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Windows

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> github.com/retoaccess1/haveno-reto/…haveno-v1.2.0-windows-installer.exe

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> MacOS

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> github.com/retoaccess1/haveno-reto/…1/haveno-v1.2.0-macos-installer.dmg

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Linux

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> github.com/retoaccess1/haveno-reto/…o-v1.2.0-linux-x86_64-installer.deb

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> github.com/retoaccess1/haveno-reto/…o-v1.2.0-linux-x86_64-installer.rpm

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there is a new mandatory update but its not live on retoswap.com yet

fuck matrix

sorry, multi-line message spams here

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> tihi

shiit thanks for telling me

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> xcancel.com/davidzmorris/status/1953089087629406456

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> would there be a trustworthy way to do offline payments? (where one party can be online and the other offline)

spend proof?

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> guess so? how does that work? since one party is offline how does it prevent them from not sending the transaction in the end?

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> does that proof suffice to send the transaction from the online side?

Make your question more specific as the answer depends on the details.

Though, generally, no.

I am reminded of some company that generated sealed hardware coins, where you'd have to physically destroy part of the hardware in order to get at a secret key.

Can't call the name. And can't recall how trustless it was.

Ages ago for Bitcoin.

physically destroy?

you mean like melting off the packaging of a chip?

that sounds like some chip that stores keys in it within a hardcoded ROM portion

Yes. More like open up in a tamper evident way.

Can't recall who put the privkey inside though

It has to be unknown to all for this to actually work.

it sounds similar to the TPM chip

but for wallet keys

this sounds interesting though regardless

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> moneromoo, was just curious if it was possible to have some device that works fully offline while still able to be able to as a seller trust it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "able to as a seller trust it"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who is the seller? What are we buying or selling?

<p​reland:monero.social> Depending on your definition of “offline”, it is possible to do “check” style transactions by giving someone a wallet address offline that they can check the balance of online to make sure it’s all there

<p​reland:monero.social> Not perfect, but technically feasible

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> missing a few commas there, "able to, as a seller, trust it" ;)

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> in this case, the receiver of the transaction. The receiver being online and the sender offline

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Can you better explain what you are trying to do? The goal

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> the spend proof requires the transaction to already be live on the network if i understood correctly. Unless the receiver can send the transaction on the behalf of the sender, it wouldn't be possible for the sender to be fully offline

<d​eltaplex:matrix.org> Does anyone know if oblivious wallet sync is a thing or will be a thing soon or in the works?

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> nothing, was simply curious is such thing was possible, kinda like using "plastic" credit cards, which don't require network connection on the sender/person who pays side

you could make a monero credit card lol

ofc don't put the private key and stuff straight in the magnetic strip

but put a little computer in it that can decrypt the private key with a code

<e​ddie:oblak.be> how are you going to pay with a credit card without connection?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> the POS terminal needs an internet connection, otherwise it can't process your transaction

<e​ddie:oblak.be> or did I misunderstand you?

give the tx data to the POS terminal from credit card?

like how a wallet would give tx data to a node

<e​ddie:oblak.be> the pos is not a node

<e​ddie:oblak.be> the pos is connected to a "node"

<e​ddie:oblak.be> so if the pos has no connection the pos is useless

yes

so the POS would relay the tx data from teh credit card to the node

:P

act like a proxy

<e​ddie:oblak.be> ok so you would sign the transaction with your key, send it to the pos and then the pos broadcasts it

yes

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I don't know if POS systems in the classic way queue transactions when connection is lost

<e​ddie:oblak.be> in my experience when there's no internet the vendor says "can't accept your payment"

well it's the same thing with regular credit cards

you need a connection to the credit card company

<e​ddie:oblak.be> that's what I mean

<e​ddie:oblak.be> every year the day before christmas the payment processor goes tits up because it can't handle the load and vendors have to fall back to cash payments

lol

<e​ddie:oblak.be> it's not even funny because these guys seem to never learn 😅

<e​ddie:oblak.be> 5 years in a row or so

also one thing with monero, how would you confirm transactions

at a place that has a POS

would you wait 20 minutes for a full confirmation

<e​ddie:oblak.be> there's some cheating, like being ok with 1 confirmation and stuff

<e​ddie:oblak.be> i don't know how they do it, probably cake people can explain better

actually yeah i saw that

there's even 0-conf

like as soon as the transaction appears on the blockchain

<e​ddie:oblak.be> don't verify trust right :p

The sender never needs a connection. Though if they're out of date by lot, their rings look wonky.

It is unclear how that would improve with FCMP.

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> yeah, that would be my question, if it's even possible for the sender to be offline at the moment of the transaction and the receiver still being sure the transaction was properly made. Just like a normal plastic card

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> i was totally forgetting about the ring signatures, not sure how it would go on that way

<t​orir:matrix.org> You are referring to the Casascius Bitcoin?

<t​orir:matrix.org> Credit card POS can work offline, some systems store the credit card data and submit it to the network when you are online later. This can't be applied to crypto because it requires a level of trust, and credit card payments are reversible if some vendor attempts anything shady.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> This is not true for all POS' and can sometimes be disabled. Accepting offline payments always introduce risk that the vendor is not willing to take

<e​ddie:oblak.be> While I understand it's certainly possible, it's mostly an ideal situation

<e​ddie:oblak.be> While I understand it's certainly possible, it's mostly not an ideal situation

<e​ddie:oblak.be> i didn't know this, I looked it up, but older cards (without NFC) might not even be able to send a payment whilst offline

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Now I wonder how they do it in airplanes

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> on planes i believe it's with the mag stripe, stores the card info and uploads it on the ground, maybe they do it before the doors open so no one can run away without paying xD

<e​ddie:oblak.be> you can have internet in flight normally too

<e​ddie:oblak.be> just not during takeoff / landing

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> from what i'm reading, making offline transactions (Signing) would require the transaction to be created on an online view-only wallet, then signed offline, then moved to the online wallet again and submitted.

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> But this would require the online wallet to have the view key which might not be desireable on the context of a POS.

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> Guess it won't be possible to do it in a private way

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> I updated the guide to recommend Qubes over Hydraveil, thx to feedback

wtf is hydraveil

i get results for a gel moisturizer when i search it

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> a open source fingerprinting-resistent VPN (using browser compartimentalization), but Qubes is free, Hydraveil isn't

where tf is hydraveil

this looks like something not audited

also why tf is the site filled with FUD about mullvad

and other VPN competitors

Cindy: there is no way to verify any VPN provider is "no log", Mullvad/ivpn included

i wanna show you guys a screenshot

but my IP range is banned from 0x0.st

fucking hell

whoever did this i hate them

what the actual fuck is this FUD attempt

<b​asses:matrix.org> average simplifiedguy scam