Let's try this again. Has anyone bought Monero from a non KYC exchange recently? If so, which exchange? I'm trying to buy my first monero coin/s and boy oh boy, it's not easy :|

<eddie:oblak.be> It's not easy, true

<eddie:oblak.be> i buy btc, or ltc, semi kyc

<eddie:oblak.be> then swap it to xmr,

<yatta:private.coffee> @eddie:oblak.be: nothing of any authentic value ever is tho

<yatta:private.coffee> ax562: what all have you already tried?

true that. So how can I buy monero?

<yatta:private.coffee> more than one way to pet cat

I got my monero-gui wallet setup and tried mexc but it was talking about taking a picture of my face from all angles

and it seemed like it would not let me even purchase monero directly with a debit card

<yatta:private.coffee> why start there? why not do a little digging on getmonero.org ?

<yatta:private.coffee> I found the link in the topic banner btw

<yatta:private.coffee> not trying to scam ya mexc style

I already have. there is quite a long list of exchanges I've never heard of or used before.

btw f discord

<yatta:private.coffee> did you see mexc there? I didn't

<yatta:private.coffee> I'm tryna figure out how you've already seen good places to start, but you didn't start with any of them

<yatta:private.coffee> explain

I tried mexc before I found this -> monerica.com/exchanges

now back to my first question ... Has anyone bought Monero from a non KYC exchange recently? If so, which exchange?

<yatta:private.coffee> you didn't really address my inquiries, so I can't believe you're earnestly seeking help

<yatta:private.coffee> best of luck–hope you don't lose too much in your pursuits

bruh, you are a jerk.

"Be excellent to each other and welcoming to newcomers" way to be excellent and welcoming

any non-douchers have any input of where I can buy some monero?

<ocean:nope.chat> ax562 kycnot.me/?categories=exchange

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> aight, just joining again just to shittalk real quick i guess..

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> how much of a shit job those monero people been doing if still to this day people are joining and asking "where to buy the monero" and mentioning trying MEXC which is a known bad actor that did actual price suppression while working with Qubic...

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> just fuck that tbh... even tho haveno is now up and running for more than a whole fucking year[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/it7kicQKNnJCeTB2 ]

mmm, I can't really say anyone is doing a shit job but man, it's not easy buying monero

I've tried a few of the sites on monerica.com and nothing has worked

<yatta:private.coffee> I hope you find what you're looking for ax562 :D

yatta the mirror is calling you, you might want to take a good look :)

<yatta:private.coffee> idk what this means

exactly, you have issues

@ocean have you tried any of those exchanges?

<yatta:private.coffee> I'm trying to improve. if anyone has insight please advise 😔

stop being an f-tard for one.

I was looking at bisq but they want me to install and give them .01 bitcoin, lol

<yatta:private.coffee> more than one way to pet cat

Where did you get this expression?

<yatta:private.coffee> i thought you said it actually XD

I have, just wondering if someone got there independently :)

<yatta:private.coffee> no, I've lurked here for like way too long. But I learn more here than many other places

there is a bisq "clone" that is based on monero, retoswap

ax562: ^^

can be a bit confusing, the irc channel is #haveno as it is based on the haveno software

history of things and all

nioc have you used retoswap before

no

but many people have

the have a FAQ on their website

*they have

nioc -> openmonero.com/knowledge/haveno-retoswap-smells-like-a-honeypot

no no

openmonero is the honeypot lol

nioc what exchange/s have you used to purchase monero?

retoswap has a 1/100 and 10/100 in scam scores, pretty sad I guess.

no idea where you got a scam score

I operate under the assumption that all reviews are fake

Could be but 3 scam sites give it extremely low scores

nioc have you purchased monero before? If so how?

what is the score of those sites?

lol good question

should be the first question

have you purchased monero?

what is the source of the info

me, I lost all my monero in a tragic boating accident

wow

a very old meme :)

nioc are you the owner of retoswap :p

no

I own nothing, Cat owns me

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> ax562: just checked the trust score for the official monero website (getmonero dot org) and its a shit score as well lol, if you're worried about retoswap, just look for it on reddit and the actual monero community reviewing it instead of random bullshit websites like the "fact checkers" bullshits lmao

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> there is a 2nd haveno network as well btw: dawnswap.com but it's newer than retoswap so for now it doesnt have the high praises retoswap has from the monero community

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> this chat glows, good thinking nioc being like "nah i dont use nothing lol"

so much sus but the whole world is sus...so...

lol, paypal and ca$happ..it gets better

<rosysagefame:envs.net> yall is meowdice.com legit??

<yatta:private.coffee> I should have solved this sooner, but I'm grateful for the trial and lesson (that I hopefully learned for real this time)

yatta mirror

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> ax562: do you have any other crypto?

I do.

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> swap for monero

where and how, I'm a complete n00b to crypto

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> trocador.app, use at your own risk, start with small amounts

Why is this so difficult?

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> maybe it's you

nah man, I'm a scientist. Just don't have experience with crypto. Other crypto was way easy compared to this.

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> do you buy groceries? It's like that, except your other crypto is your $$$ and monero is the groceries

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> oh and trocador.app is the grocery store

have you used trocador.app before?

Usually the grocery store is on the corner with a big sign. This, I had to go into an alley and deal with a douch and then finally someone pointed me to a shack in the other alley to buy my groceries.

so yeah.lol

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> and then you still didn't buy the groceries for some reason

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> why is that?

I'm there right now, but they don't sell monero directly but other crypto?

seriously?

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> you mean do they swap for fiat?

yanmaani: In that case, instead of exchanging on Tradeogre, you'd be better off buying LTC, and then use ChangeNOW to convert to XMR and send it to your wallet right away. Saves up that 2% you would have otherwise spent on Tradeogre.

<ax562> Just don't have experience with crypto. Other crypto was way easy compared to this. <<>> no experience yet has experience smh

tradeogre was shut down

smh = SoMetHing?

surely you must know

nioc thanks

ok, 2 douchers now

Is the monero community usually this cool?

you have been given all the info you need, time to do something

Cat is waiting, gn

ax562: Yes, one of the few cool IRC channels on Libera I would argue.

well, I've been here a very short time and had to ignore 2 lames already :|

Then I don't think you'll enjoy it here, just to be honest.

well, then it's not really a cool place

It is, just not to your liking.

do you like being insulted?

Because you're about to drop another one?

And this is just a wall of text anyway, why the fuck should I get mad at that? That's just cringe.

I'm not mad, it's just sad how douchey people can be to someone with little experience

"Because you're about to drop another one?" drop what?

I am reading your conversations, and to be honest, you're the one acting "douchey", not yatta or whoever the other person is you blocked.

"drop what?" An insult.

whatever man

<yatta:private.coffee> Thank you for this, I was feeling pretty bad honestly 😞

<rosysagefame:envs.net> @rosysagefame:envs.net: 😭 no one answered

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> in all fairness, mexc is the exchange listed as number 1 on coinmarketcap for actually MONTHS now when clicking on Monero, despite not being popular at all

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> (for context, coinmarketcap was bought by binance few years ago and binance actively did shady practices on monero for years through fractional reserve and price suppression before finally delisting it last year)

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> so alot of people in the monero community do have some kind of ptsd from binance and now mexc

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> ax562: but yeah, u been giving all the resources needed, retoswap is the go to now for newcomers and pretty much anyone that actually cares about monero

the only thing about retoswap is it looks like they do not except debit card

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> right, it's peer to peer so no debit card

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> but can do bank transfers or cash by mail

<ocean:nope.chat> @spacekitty69420:matrix.org why do you keep leaving? 🤔

hmmm

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @ocean:nope.chat: idk, why not lol

<rosysagefame:envs.net> @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: have you tried cash by mail before?

oh, no. not going to ever try that.

Maybe for grandma on her birthday but not for crypto lol

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> a popular way to send cash by mail (which is totally legal, even if sometimes it feels like it aint lmao), is to vacuum seal it, then wrap in a sheet of foil and to the post office in a pretty envelope

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> for example rn on amazon for $34.99, there is that vacuum sealer:

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> amazon.com/dp/B08F72TY67

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> and the bags for it:[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/6a3mjMQKblJDeEND ]

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> youtube.com/watch?v=T756g8OyXM4

Looks like kraken does except debit and sell monero.

lol

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> kraken in the US, they delisted it for the rest of the world, but if it works for you then sure

<rosysagefame:envs.net> @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: HEY if my grandma can do it for christmas then i can do it for this

this is too funny

spacekitty6920 and whoever has been positive thanks for that!

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> hehe cheers lol

I mean, I might be able to do the bank transfer. I do not see why not but why so difficult?

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> that's the peer to peer downsides, its a process that's a bit more involved for the users

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> but all things considered, still less a hassle than going through the whole KYC shenanigans

<rosysagefame:envs.net> pleaseee is meowdice legit 🥺

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> but when you get that first trade going, it's always the first step that's the hardest then after it goes pretty smoothly tbh

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @rosysagefame:envs.net: i literally dont know lol

<yatta:private.coffee> i keep checking back to see myself roys

<rosysagefame:envs.net> @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: ok ill try with a tiny amount then and tell u if i get a payout upon winning 😭

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> i only tried monerovegas which worked great but i wouldnt promote gambling, like, it worked but gambling can ruin lives

<rosysagefame:envs.net> well this site has very low limits so it is unlikely to ruin any lives at least bwahah

<rosysagefame:envs.net> max is literally 0.002 XMR apparently

<rosysagefame:envs.net> per bet

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> that's how u start a habit tho, a little of the drug then more often of the drugs u know x)

<rosysagefame:envs.net> i do like drugs ...

<rosysagefame:envs.net> yumyum

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> :P

<yatta:private.coffee> coffee is guud

<rosysagefame:envs.net> i havent had meow

well, I have a start now finally, kraken, retoswap and trocador.app

It only took a couple of days :|

but thanks y'all :)

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> trocador is also integrated directly within the cakewallet app btw so can also use it directly from there as well

I got the monero-gui desktop app

going to make some steak sliders real quick :p

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> cheers :3

<rosysagefame:envs.net> MEOW

<thefuzzstone:electrologic.org> RIP MONERO

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> the snowden coin won, get rekt monero LOL

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> literally git gud, l2p, mofos cant competitive cryptocoin lmao

<thefuzzstone:electrologic.org> leave and come to zcash > <@spacekitty69420:matrix.org> idk, why not lol

<thefuzzstone:electrologic.org> you can trade xmr -> zcash on trocador > <@spacekitty69420:matrix.org> trocador is also integrated directly within the cakewallet app btw so can also use it directly from there as well

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> nah, premined garbage, asic centralized, backdoored cringe shits x)

<rosysagefame:envs.net> @thefuzzstone:electrologic.org: still getting paid $0.01 per post?

<thefuzzstone:electrologic.org> monero is dead. no one contributes to monero because most of the developers moved on to zcash. the remaining developers use the ccs to their advantage to rake in money by purposefully delaying features. without a for-profit motive company like ecc, no one has the incentive to build monero quickly and with quality. zcash has of [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/lqjXjsQKZkNuYXA1 ]

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> it a psyop, i enjoying the popcorn of monero getting rekt tho lmao

<rosysagefame:envs.net> @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: i like cats

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> blep

<thefuzzstone:electrologic.org> the inadequate moderation of these rooms represents the state of monero. slow and dying

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> ikr, if only there was a way to have a trustless setup to hire moderation team that would be payed through a trustless setup for their moderation work, oh gosh, if only... LOL

<thefuzzstone:electrologic.org> you guys don't know how monero works. you're just plebs. I used to be a developer in 2021

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> yea idk nothing about that techy shit, i just play the videogames tbh

<rosysagefame:envs.net> yay

<rosysagefame:envs.net> video gams are fun

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> vewy :3

<rosysagefame:envs.net> prrrrrrr :3

<dufebo98> Yeah if u love a for-profit company u can buy microsoft or tencent stocks

<rosysagefame:envs.net> monerowo

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> 😹

<rosysagefame:envs.net> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/envs.net/f…74d3a016bcd1984103273769992192.webp (4ckc7qcuaehb1.webp)

<rosysagefame:envs.net> waaa

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @dufebo98: or monero too tbh, kinda for profit ccs LOL

<thefuzzstone:electrologic.org> if anyone reading this has xmr, swap to zcash immediately. fcmp++ will never be released. the technical debt is so large that the current maintainers, jberman and jeffro, can't fix it. they need to rely on external developers who moved on to zcash. the big ccs donors are driving the price of zcash up as they swap out their xmr. xmr has served its purpose, zcash is the future

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @thefuzzstone:electrologic.org: why buy zcash now when it was so obvious that it was about to bounce back at some point in time when it went down to $30

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> buy the dips, not the bumps, u new the crypto or what?

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> not the pumps*

<thefuzzstone:electrologic.org> insider info: zcash will remove transparent addresses soon, which is part of the reason it's pumping. monero is useless

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> oooh like pirate chain? :O

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> i think they didnt have transparent addresses there

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> how will they handle the exchanges delistings tho?

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> because so far monero has the track record of handling all the delistings, the network attacks and shits

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> how would zcash handle that tho?

<thefuzzstone:electrologic.org> don't follow mrl. i'm talking to the players - you know who you are. zcash has no backdoor with orchard. we also have payment processors that work and a dex to swap on. don't get left behind. this is my last warning. dm with the pgp public key i hid in one of the previous chats, and i'll show even more bullish proof. don't listen to the clueless neckbeards. monero завершена

<rosysagefame:envs.net> @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: don't expect this 'person' to give any real answers 😭

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @thefuzzstone:electrologic.org: dex as in cash by mail are working too?

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> youtube.com/watch?v=T756g8OyXM4

<rosysagefame:envs.net> @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: i think maybe they meant CEX?

<rosysagefame:envs.net> this shill is getting paid too much

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> i mean, am down to get paid to shill some shits too @thefuzzstone:electrologic.org how much u offering?

<rosysagefame:envs.net> YO SAME

<rosysagefame:envs.net> pay me in XMR though

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> x)

<inuecont:matrix.org> @thefuzzstone:electrologic.org: DM'd

<inuecont:matrix.org> I'm 888tNk.... +**.0089

<inuecont:matrix.org> Remember me? Show me and I'll follow

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @inuecont:matrix.org: bruh, are u that spoopy hacker mofo over there? :O

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> youtube.com/watch?v=MUYjiETdVWQ

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> literally u got those matching numbers, that's crazy! like actual craziness O_O

<thefuzzstone:electrologic.org> yes you will thank me soon

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @thefuzzstone:electrologic.org: well, u doing a shit job at trolling rn... so cant thank you for the laughs just yet, just be better at trolling, am bored

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> like, where those ascii dick art things spam and shits, like... @thefuzzstone:electrologic.org u not entertaining at all...

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> guess that zcash premine wasnt big enough they were too broke to hire people that actually know how to troll properly... that was cringe...

<owow:electrologic.org> @thefuzzstone:electrologic.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEERDx3gnlqI2Zj2EzGL72d6KiMLLMFAmiH7rMACgkQL72d6KiMLLONKA/9GgixJDLCjgDA0ERB7sBCJUKSVxtY9b5RgMWqGkWYI/2eo0N1fyVb64XP9Wc/m+gN9dF41JZLrMGgBYyiFbHuPyRQB6ode8GsfXwSuXZccKqq/LcAMgODGe7s6MokhYaiB5QhWfkwWUjmBcOJtKlM72rWfOjEeV0QGQVcugemKbC31c5i7oeWCCE6kbeU4mUufS0X [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/lNvAj8QKXzhoQkRC ]

<owow:electrologic.org> dm not working I sent you a message on sx

<owow:electrologic.org> we are the only ones left

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @owow:electrologic.org: xcancel.com/thefuzzstone the one in chat here is fake lol

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> oh, u actually the same

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> i mean

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @owow:electrologic.org = @thefuzzstone:electrologic.org

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> but they're not xcancel.com/thefuzzstone

<zcash:electrologic.org> @thefuzzstone:electrologic.org sent

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @zcash:electrologic.org: hai hai fake ooo/anon/perfect-daemon

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> try harder lmao

<jakexmrthefed:electrologic.org> @thefuzzstone:electrologic.org sent

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> also... didnt move to zcash, mofo literally made a ccs few hours ago:

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/621

<jakexmrthefed:electrologic.org> the donators left he will not get funded

<jakexmrthefed:electrologic.org> you don't know anything

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> it hasnt been merged yet so no donors yet lmao, wtf u even on about x)

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @jakexmrthefed:electrologic.org: true x)

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> 😶‍🌫️HAPPEY 4:20AM UTC!!!😶‍🌫️

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> youtube.com/watch?v=Z6H1qBSrc_c

<spacekitty69420ack:electrologic.org> no one wants the proposal merged

<spacekitty69420ack:electrologic.org> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/621

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> x)

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> dedge af

<spacekitty69420ack:electrologic.org> if any admin deletes the comments, they're censoring the truth

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> facts LOL

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @spacekitty69420ack:electrologic.org: literally saw you joining and i thought that was just me getting booted of the channel since saw some ofrnxmr retard getting up to date on that chat, thought he was all like "imma ban this bish" LMAO

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> icant x)

<ofrnxmr> Hahahahahahahahahahahahha

<ofrnxmr> The ccs comment spam is pretty funny

<ofrnxmr> "I worked with "anon" from 2016 to 2021. The work he did was terrible, with code smells everywhere and incompetence at its highest. We don't need this random programmer with no experience working on Monero; he will destroy the codebase. "anon" also works on Zcash. This is a conflict of interest" lmao

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> who cares if he shit at c++, he a damn networking legend x)

<ofrnxmr> He isnt shit at c++, thats a retarded take

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> as in internet networking, not people networking

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: and true, was just referencing to the troll comment on the ccs

<ofrnxmr> Someone must feel threatened. In any case, thanks for raising awareness to the proposal, trollfriend 🫡

<superkettle:matrix.org> Is anyone else confused?

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> nah

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> why?

<superkettle:matrix.org> Are you all the same person?

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> fungible community yea

<superkettle:matrix.org> Do you need help

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> i do!

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> thanks for asking! literally been trying to ask people for help for like... actually YEARS now... no one cares about p2p circular economy tho...

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> wanna help?

<superkettle:matrix.org> I joined to learn about Monero

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> oh, well, do u need help?

<superkettle:matrix.org> Need reading material on the technical features of Monero

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @superkettle:matrix.org: to learn from a user perspective or a more tech savy contributor/dev perspective?

<superkettle:matrix.org> @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: Latter

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> mmh, guess cant really help on that, am pretty much just playing the videogames so dont know much about the latter

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> but there is resources for it, just blanking on the names rn

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> like, there is the "breaking monero" series on youtube but there is also some actual docs in text format i just cant remember the name right now...

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> alot of it might be a bit dated tho

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> the monero protocols changed alot over the years[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/lKeVkcQKU1Y1amZo ]

<superkettle:matrix.org> Preciate it

<ofrnxmr> Mastering monero and zero to monero 2

<ofrnxmr> (2 books)

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> ^ that one was blanking on the name, thanks

<ofrnxmr> getmonero.org/library

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> a popular way to send cash by mail (which is totally legal, even if sometimes it feels like it aint lmao) <- Depends on jurisdiction, in mine it's explicitly illegal.

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> damn...

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> well, weed is explicity illegal here, and yet, u can ask literally anyone "where the weed at?" and they be like "u see that building over there? u just go there and litearlly anyone will sell u the weed for cash"

Same here with drugs in general, yeah. Doesn't mean a normal person is okay to risk it like that XD

And yeah, this sht is happening in the open on Telegram and clearnet. But drug users are in general not very smart, so they don't want inconveniences. And I don't think cash by mail is comparable because it goes through a state institution that scrutinizes it in various ways.

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> must be a wild way to live life tho.. being like "i like that monero thing but it might become illegal... what do?"

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> guess no more monero then cause too risky T_T

IDK, crypto itself is in a gray zone so everyone just rolls with it. I don't think it's comparable to explicitly illegal things like cash by mail.

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> well my bad tbh, didnt know it was illegal in some areas, actually mind blown lol

Nice to know it's explicitly legal in others!

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> brb filling up my taxes, time to be a good citizen i guess :O

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> oh wait no nvm, aint got taxes, too broke for those, not getting payed by the ccs because monero is literally only for the criminal markets, not the legit p2p circular economy thing x)

<TheFuzzStone:matrix.org> Ban the the clown @thefuzzstone:electrologic.org. This is a fake account of yet another perpetually offended individual, whose feelings were likely hurt by something I posted online.

electrologic.org is a simple nginx page, the domain was updated in August 6th of this year

any chance it could literally just be a matrix spamhost

It might be, but this reminds me that my own Matrix server currently doesn't have any webpage hosted at its domain. I used to have a website on my previous domain but took it down for being cringe.

#xmrpos-dev:matrix.org

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<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> oh! pos as in point of sale, not proof of stake lmao

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> u got me there for a sec x)

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> from android, giga pog

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> like, at the store when buying with with cakewallet purchased giftcards or whatever, they use their phone already too, scanning the thingy and whatnot

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> point of sale from android, lets fucking go O_O

In-person cash is preferred anyway

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: true, like for the weed, cash is better, people ordering online are american lazy fucks too fat and lazy to go out and support their 420 local sellers

I don't really think about illegal uses of it. But in this particular case - I don't even know what's scarier, meeting up with a criminal in person or taking a chance and ordering "blind". Although if you do drugs, your sense of risk is fried anyway so I guess there's not much difference.

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> so very criminal, growing a natural plant from this planet, dont do crimes, so very scary

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> heard the online space has alot of actual documentation regarding safe use of the drugs so it's not all bad either

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> but yea, scary criminals doing the criminal thingies just being damn menaces out here u know lol

I'm running a Monero node and it's done syncing but it's using a ton of CPU now really slowing down the whole system. I don't have a fantastic CPU on the node but it should be more than capable.

It was never using this much CPU during sync

It's an Intel Pentium Silver N6000

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> blcakbox: Launch Date: Q1'21

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> for that CPU, so is backdoored by the intel ME (Management Engine), damn...

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> the TDP on it is very interesting tho, for a node

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> quad-core it should be able to run it smoothly... are all 4 cores being used?

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> maybe you enabled the option that mines with the wallet, you could try to disable that

LOL why is ME relevant? Yeah the load is distributed across all cores. Definitely not mining on it. Running this: `monerod --detach --tx-proxy tor,127.0.0.1:9050,disable_noise --tx-proxy i2p,127.0.0.1:4444,disable_noise --prune-blockchain --enable-dns-blocklist`

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> not relevant, just saying intel is a shit company, and u made the choice the purchase a chip from them, that's interesting decision is all

AMD has PSP as well. Leaves much fewer options.

it shouldn't be using much CPU. Did you say yes to background mining?

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> no

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> idk, monerod is broken then, someone at monero gotta fix that shit i guess

looking at the commands, maybe it is pruning

for a pruned node it should be pruning as it is syncing, not after

nioc: Yes that's what I believe as well

I use a full node but hear that it takes a long time to prune

? It prunes while syncing. My blockchain is ~93G

I'm at latest blockchain height

only if you tell it to do so but at that size it must be pruned

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> i been runing pruned for the past couple of years or so (had to move to different ssd lol), syncing it once every few months, it's running in a vm and havent noticed that much CPU resource being used.. about same blocksize as

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> *as blcakbox

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> not running it through tor tho, which i guess that would be the main difference there with those parameters

i ran a node on an intel atom cpu - had to have a huge mem swap file to keep it from freezing/crashing

I have enough memory. 8G

I'm running on the node on OpenBSD if that's relevant

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> oh could be, not a popular choice, noice tho O_O

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> maybe try a different install, not having to resync, just point to the same directory from a linux distro with the --data-dir parameter

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> could help narrow down if it's coming from that

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> or i mean, looking again at the parameters, u doing both tor and i2p, very pog lol, but that could very well be the reason too

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> still, benchmarking the node on a different distro could give a better idea as well

Oh hey. monero-project/monero #7027 This checks out

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> 👍️

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> blcakbox , so freebsd doesnt like safe sync mode?

OpenBSD. But yes

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> thisvsthat.io/freebsd-vs-openbsd

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> freebsd that's like what pfsense is using

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> openbsd if for the nerds doing that i2p techy shits

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> oh right and i guess apple are based on freebsd, like, openbsd so very nice hot damn lol

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> so very niche*

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> typos lmao x)

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> like... monero in itself is so very niche too, like, zcash less niche now u know, even that snowden guy is a zcash shill

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> the videogames tho.... not niche at all, they mainstream af

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: Snowden was one of the trusted setup ceremony keysigners. He's been in zcash since day 0

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> right

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> 👍️ > <@spacekitty69420:matrix.org> the snowden coin won, get rekt monero LOL

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ? Won what?

remiliascarlet: yeah, buy it anywhere. TradeOgre was the cheapest, but they're gone now so you gotta go somewhere else

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> litecoin - another optional privacy chain (without centralized mining, dev taxes, and corporations) - has been above monero (and zcssh) for years

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If we consider zcash to be a "privacy coin", why dont we consider litecoin to be one?

i like litecoin, it doesnt pretend to be more than it is

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> just sayin, it a competitive market out there, remember when monero was like top 3 or 4 or something like that on cmc? now what's #3? RIPPLE LMAO, literally the cryptocoin that is funding the trump ballroom LOL

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Theres a lot of trash in the top 50

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> coincentral.com/ripple-tether-and-c…nd-trumps-300m-white-house-ballroom]

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> -]

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The vast majority of which are traded like stocks, and not used

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> literally getting outplayed by xrp x)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> xrp's first 250k "blocks" arent even syncable

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If monero fought for the right to be traded like a stock, it would probably be "worth" more.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> its "value" is dictated by the handful of people who do trade it like a stock

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> market cap is determined by taking the value last traded on exchange, and multiplying that by the total supply.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Buying a few million worth of monero would likely raise the market cap by billions. Market cap isnt real

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> it only measures up if there is enough demand that you can sell every coin without the price crashing

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> right, the quick math thing for when that $300M btc where "socially engineered from some creepy rich old white american dude by some cringe basic call center scam in the uk" and some of it were moved to xmr, then the monero market cap jumped by 2B, like from 4B to 6B or something along those lines

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> so even onboarding a smol market could have a decent impact on monero increase in price (and network security along the way too)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: Assuming they purchase on a cex that reports to coingecko tm

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Non cex purchases arent included in oracle pricing

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (our source for "value" is fully centralized. Makes no sense)

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> arbitrage is a thing

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> its not because its not numbers included in the api or whatever the fuck and added to the fake coinmarketcap numbers anyways that arbitrage cant happen

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its not even a value that comes from a service that we frequent.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Zcash, on the other hand, has no circular economy. Their only use case is (almost) entirely on exchanges

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: requires someone, at some point, to purchase xmr from one of the reporting agencies

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> i mean, maybe zcash could read those monero channels and find value into onboarding the videogaming peer to peer circular economy, and who onboards that market imo will actually win the "p2p digital cash" title thing, whether its zcash, whether it's monero, whether it's a brand new monero fork after the fcmp++ upgrade to not h [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/ltensMQKOGkzSlph ]

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> we can only pray

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> do you think the DNM adoption that currently monero has cant be overtaken by a proper monero fork?

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> as in like, 100% monero clone after fcmp++ upgrade, same tokenomic, emission curve and tail emission thing

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> if a bigger market than it is adopting it as their base currency

<eddie:oblak.be> There's more needed than "just" a fork. You can't clone community, adoption, etc... That said, if something else than monero would gain more traction because it's as good (or better) and people just use it, what is the problem then.

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: u kinda can tho.. well, kinda, as in like being seen as a testnet by current monero devs and contributor, that same coin but updated to that new protocol, without the bloated blockchain from depracated protocols

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> now that i remember, there was even a testnet that was hijacked and turned into it's whole actual coin

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> nerva, a monero fork, has its testnet stolen and turned into its own coin "solo"

<ofrnxmr> dero atlantis was a testnet, and was sold on exchanges 💪. Not sure what were talking about now

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> noice lol, talking about p2p circular economy that is not just for the criminals

<eddie:oblak.be> For a coin to become successful it needs to be adopted by vendors and buyers. It doesn't happen overnight.

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> yea i can do that

<eddie:oblak.be> Monero is being accepted for much more than dnms

<ofrnxmr> @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: Is the criminal one in the room with us now

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> wat lol

<ofrnxmr> Since when is xmrbazaar "just for the criminals"

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> like literally actually

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg

<eddie:oblak.be> how > <@spacekitty69420:matrix.org> yea i can do that

<ofrnxmr> Since when are the merchants listed on monerica "juat for the criminals"

<eddie:oblak.be> there's no one "from monero" who said "hey vendor, please use monero", it's mostly organic adoption.

<ofrnxmr> this isnt dread, or some dnm

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: there's a p2p circular economy market that has been around for way longer than bitcoin

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> had something that could be seen as a pre-cursor of Proof of Work

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> and currently has still more active daily trades than what monero has

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> i can get them to onboard a properly designed platform, tho, the web from 2003 is superior to the web3 there

<ofrnxmr> Even localmonero was an instant ban if you discussed dnm on the platform

<ofrnxmr> @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: Yet you're here, instead of onboarding them to zcasj

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> lmao

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: my dm's are open for a community workground of passionates that care about p2p circular economy and build something for free, instead of asking the ccs for $$$

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> the design i have in mind could also do funding as it would be able to fund moderation team through a trustless setup which down the line could also make the ccs model completely obsolete

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> workgroup*

<eddie:oblak.be> Honestly, just do it.

<eddie:oblak.be> I think you need to have to describe a bit more clearly what you mean with p2p circular economy. It's a vague term, there are people in my neighbourhood that buy and sell second hand pants through facebook, that's also p2p circular ..

<torir:matrix.org> Circular economy means economic activity in Monero that doesn't convert to another currency but stays in Monero.

<torir:matrix.org> At least, that is how the term is used around here.

<eddie:oblak.be> I always thought a key aspect of circular economy is the fact that goods are recycled.

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> xmrbazaar is not enough "for the criminals" > <@ofrnxmr> Since when is xmrbazaar "just for the criminals"

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> doug is liable if a videogame company sues him for breaking their ToS

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Criminals arent welcome on xmrbazaar

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> that's what i saying

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> and people using retoswap in 2027 will be criminals as well

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> well, actually legally for them

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> while the "criminals" am talking about is a videogame company ToS, not actually legally

<spacekitty69420:matrix.org> retoswap in 2027 in europe*