<j_0t:matrix.org> HI everyone, I am searching for a visual tutorial to create my own Monero miner, do you have any information to share?

<shortwavesurfer2009> WTB 4,350 Tari (XTM) for 21.92mXMR (0.02192 XMR)

<thelastmonero:matrix.org> @j_0t:matrix.org: I would love to help you out. There are some great pc build guides out there. I haven't watched this dudes content, but this video seems to be adequate after a skim. However, how you approach software is up to you. I have Arch usbs with the software my miners need preloaded.

<thelastmonero:matrix.org> youtube.com/watch?v=_KfCfJxE8BE&t=1284

<thelastmonero:matrix.org> @shortwavesurfer2009: This may just be me loudly displaying my ignorance, but what does this mean?

<shortwavesurfer2009> @thelastmonero:matrix.org: Tari is a cryptocurrency that has merged mine with Monero. It will have scripting and smart contracts similar to Ethereum.

<thelastmonero:matrix.org> @shortwavesurfer2009: Thank you very much for explaining!

<j_0t:matrix.org> @thelastmonero:matrix.org: Thank you, let me check this tutorial, my plan is to create a support ecosystem to add more independence to the miner, I thought on add mesh networks to avoid internet shutdown issues.

<thelastmonero:matrix.org> Hey I am all game for something to help me with internet issues! Just moved a bit ago and my ISP has been having some intermittent drops. Definitely not a satisfied customer 😅

<j_0t:matrix.org> @thelastmonero:matrix.org: Yeah, let me check for more details, maybe I would share a document with the requirements and process.

<shortwavesurfer2009> @shortwavesurfer2009: Nvm, exolix has it

Cindy_, I understand why Steam doesn't accept it, but it would have been SO AWESOME.

I think on some services people here use to fill Steam, crypto is accepted. And I know some item marketplaces have it as an option, so one could buy an item there, sell it and fill Steam this way.

<datahoarder> @j_0t:matrix.org: github.com/SChernykh/p2pool

<datahoarder> Sadly you still need internet to be able to send/receive Monero blocks (so you can make new current tasks)

<datahoarder> but this you can run fully on your own, distributed, even via Tor

<angled:matrix.angled.rip> could technically make it a mesh via meshtastic though, you could have one computer on an internet connection 100 miles away from the other and be able to transfer new blocks still

<angled:matrix.angled.rip> or maybe I'm tripping

<angled:matrix.angled.rip> probably tripping

<imprevisto:matrix.org> you are tripping

you need to receive new monero blocks AND verify them

to be able to mine :)

<imprevisto:matrix.org> (tbh joking, idk about meshtastic)

including transactions

meshtastic levels of telemetry won't be able to catch up

Maybe Reticulum could handle that? It's way more flexible.

is it using LoRa?

if so, no, it does not have the bandwidth

0.3-27 kbps on best conditions, single one, ensuring you don't hit the 10 or 20% duty cycle too

as soon as multi-hop is involved the whole airtime is killed

I think it's not limited to Lora, but may be mistaken.

one block (they come every two minutes) would take several hours to sync up

if it can use BT p2p sure, but that's very short range

but at that point you are just building an IP net

Looked it up and it is apparently more versatile than just that: reticulum.network/manual/hardware.html

all of that looks lora based :D

and point to point wi-fi links

Yeah but I guess that's the base.

but yeah. going outside of things that are either low bandwidth/power/wide area or high bandwidth/point-2-point requires ham radio license

TBH I've not even looked at Meshtastic that much, I just see this one mentioned alongside it quite a bit and know it can work over pretty much anything/

it's also lora. bandwidth limits come from how it must transmit data

if you ignore txs entirely it'd still take a bit to sync up this and lose most block races

plus you help monero nothing mining empty blocks

True

you want something like blockstream.com/satellite lol

high bandwidth down, and telemetry levels up (when you find a block)

Also, I don't think it can work over HAM radio - it's technically possible, but encryption on HAM radio is not allowed and this one has encryption deeply baked-in.

not specifically

So yeah, in practice probably wi-fi and such

monero data is as-is

you are handling the data in public

https IS allowed in ham

but what you are not allowed is make a C&C system that is encrypted

But you're transmitting that data encrypted just because it's baked into the Reticulum protocol.

it can be signed, though

yeah when you have ham radio stuff there are better protocols

and packet based radio

meshtastic also has that ham mode, where it stops encrypting and just signs

To an outside observer, it's impossible to see that it actually is public block data though. So how is that any different?

Didn't know that about Meshtastic!

also blockstream.com/satellite-queue :D

omg it does. COOL.

it is BlueyHealer if you tag/identify the data

Yeah, but it would still be encrypted. How would an observer verify that the tags didn't just lie? And not sure there even is such a capability in Reticulum, I think there are unencrypted bits but they're pretty specific.

I mostly know Reticulum from being less restricted in what type of data you can transmit inside.

I'll give that a read!

and yeah, the last one I just looked up, had no idea they had this!

doesn't matter BlueyHealer by the point you are doing mesh via point to point wifi for bandwidth there are better options

if you do ham packet radio

you can literally bounce of satellites today

or hit relays in orbit

Can you do this with power allowed for non-licenced people?

?

you must be ham lol

you are using ham frequencies

it's not about power

<imprevisto:matrix.org> you can do Reticulum over ip or whatever

^

Ok I was thinking about something else.

at that point it's an ip net

OSCAR = Orbiting Satellite Carrying Amateur Radio

DataHoarder | if you do ham packet radio <- I was thinking specifically about using Meshtastic as an amateur - so participating in a network of non-amateurs. So no, with those ones, you can't just use an amateur band and all those cool stuff.

"so participating in a network of non-amateurs."

no

you'd be hitting duty limits

wdym?

sorry for being stupid

for lora frequencies there's a duty cycle you must follow

Like, "a network of non-amateurs" is the whole point of Meshtastic

depending on country

Like?

oh you mean ham radio amateurs

non-amateurs = licensed freqs :D

Yes.

<imprevisto:matrix.org> Reticulum's main author just made an llm to automatically apply a verbal beatdown to anyone who opens an issue to change the license

Non-amateurs as in normal people.

but here for example duty cycle is 10%

that means you can only transmit for 10% of the time at most

measured hourly

<imprevisto:matrix.org> i am a non-non-amateur myself

good table for example meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/lora/#region

Yeah, I'm just confused what we're talking about at this point.

monero is built for high bandwidth networks

specially with the push to get GiB-long blocks

LoRa isn't even good enough to send a whole CD's worth of data

in time

so that bandwidth is only possible with point to point or single source broadcasts

what makes you think it's good for monero :P

Cindy: it wouldn't be able to get block headers :P

DataHoarder | it's not about power <- Meshtastic site says one of the benefits of being a licenced HAM specifically on Meshtastic is being able to transmit with higher power and use higher-gain antennas.

so at that point reticulum doesn't matter. meshtastic doesn't matter

you are making an ip net

<imprevisto:matrix.org> yeah i do 8-track cassette over lora usually myself

Cindy, true! That's why I was wondering about Reticulum, but I barely know anything about it and don't know what exactly the bottlenecks are.

<imprevisto:matrix.org> i make an ip ne myself

you see many mesh networks solve the problem of handling the meshing or comms

but you want something else tbh

<imprevisto:matrix.org> i want something else myself

so yeah, find a system that can sync up several GiB every couple of minutes :)

LoRa is good for low-speed but high-range transmission of data

(as long as you employ hashes or even error correction)

and compression too

yeah. telemetry link

BTW missed the initial context of a conversation. Are we talking about, like, using XMR when they turn off the mobile internet?

we're talking about transmitting monero blocks over LoRa or something

to mine them

being able to mine without internet

Yeah - just in what context? That depends.

in a trustless way

^

aka, receiving block headers (and txs) to verify them

a miner that's far away from a monerod computer that has internet

the miner itself has no internet

then making normal mining

also be able to send mined blocks back

Like, at least here shutdowns are semi-frequent, but short. And wired internet works so it'd be a matter of only transmitting for a short range, until someone has wi-fi. And it's not like you'd be mining on a cellular connection anyway...

afaik you'd need to get the headers locally or you are trusting that like a centralized pool

or, won't be mining txs and not helping monero

if link is high latency, you are running behind and will not be helping monero either

just make more orphans

a regular monero RPC (for making txs or checking incoming txs) would be fine over LoRa

Oh, nice!

just have compression and error correction for the JSON data

that's too much traffic, Cindy

even in binary form

which p2pool for example uses

oh yeah

i forgot, wallet blocks

it could use something like monero-lws

as wallet

where lws pre-checks what applies to you :)

still. slow

you want a high bandwidth (relatively) broadcast network

and a low bandwidth, low frequency return network

easy

broadcast network gets blocks/transactions etc.

you locally can use that to sync up nodes

we just need to burn incoming monero blocks onto CD-Rs

and throw them outside

then send back txs

Cindy: nah, streaming tape

write on one side, read on other

:)

Why not USB sticks then?

CD-Rs work as Frisbee

Few people even have disk drives now because it's just kinda pointless...

can be launched with a cd gun :)

I have tape drives lol

Oh wow! Why? Just residue from the past?

BlueyHealer: but no frisbee!

but yeah. one BD drive somewhere to rip stuff locally

also i still have a disk drive in my laptop

on that topic, tape currently being written

BlueyHealer: nah, bulk storage

Oh! What for?

tape price keeps going down

Is it the kind of tape that's good for retaining data for a long time?

as long as you can find reasonably priced tape drives :)

yeah

Oh, cool!

specifically LTO-*

LTO-8

12TB (not TiB) tapes, I make two copies cause it's so cheap

First time I see someone actually do that in personal life) That's so nice.

LTO-10 can do 30/40TB per tape raw

I found an extreme good deal on a new sealed drive lol

just had to convert it to standalone by reverse engineering firmware a bit :)

making some custom cables ... and got to use the Glasgow-C3 too

<milas900:matrix.org> So guys please explain to me. This guy is founder and Russian and lives in UK and he is founder for some financial startup for a company of 5 people. How this works ? Are they really smart or someone gave them this position or it’s money laundering. All young and ceo and cio Russians and Ukrainians in Uk..

dumped SPI chips too

BlueyHealer: also people still use optical disks

and drives

especially in 3rd world nations

but really. I have a lot of data which is mostly archives on HDD. I'm downsizing that and making it go offline, and not require constant spinning

BlueyHealer: git.gammaspectra.live/WeebDataHoarder/barrel

made this based on "age" tool to write headers and metadata in a more resilient way

Cindy, I mean I get it's inertia.

extracts the key header for safe keeping elsewhere (you need this to decrypt)

BTW what

BTW what Git is that?

also adds some extra sums and header to the end of tape

it's mine

See "Spec notes from age-encryption.org/v1"

No, I understand - I mean what Git implementation is that?

forgejo

also lol

Ah!

it's git

what git implementation is it? it's git

they all use git

github != git :)

dude you don't need to explain that

"what Git implementation is that?" just triggered that :)

I know the underlying git is the same, but I don't know how to phrase the question of whether it's Gitea, Cgit, etc.

what forge is that?

^ forge is the common naming for vc + project management tools + ci

anyhow, archival script git.gammaspectra.live/WeebDataHoard…anch/master/scripts/tape-archive.sh

it effectively makes an encrypted tar

and produces manifest and sum files

which allow you to do streaming decryption/verify git.gammaspectra.live/WeebDataHoard…er/scripts/tape-unarchive-verify.sh

straight to tar verify :)

Ah! Thanks, didn't know this was called a "forge".

tape has all that's needed to decrypt itself (key headers in a couple of places) but is also archived elsewhere

encryption requires the modified standard tool (so it generates manifests/headers)

decryption uses all standard tools, does not depend on mine

that was the key point :)

Can't one just copypaste a Veracrypt container onto tape?

where does veracrypt store header?

can it sustain failure of a block to decrypt the rest?

and not require constant spinning <- Your HDDs are constantly on?

also, tapes are not really that seekable

DataHoarder | can it sustain failure of a block to decrypt the rest? <- Never thought of that. I don't think so. So this is more failure-safe?

can it stream fetch files, say, "I want X Y Z out of this tape"

instead of having to take out the full 12TB then process?

yeah, the point is archival and be able to do selective streamable retrieval (even though you need to read the entire tape)

Ah, so this one is.

seeking will kill the tape fast

Understandable.

12:10:49 <BlueyHealer> and not require constant spinning <- Your HDDs are constantly on?

if you want them to live, yeah

heads flying, spinning

they maybe have like 14 start/stop in the past 8 years

oh

the head ramp/park is what messes with it the most

and when you have a fleet of them it matters :)

I only plug it in when in use, the little noise they make is annoying. There's a reason I bought an SSD for my seeding box instead.

I have plenty of SSDs

but when you are trying to do a couple hundred TBs it gets expensive :)

A fleet of them? Do they back each other up or all have different data?

wtf where do you even GET hundreds of terabytes over the course of your life

yes, raid kind of

specifically ceph :)

I don't even have two!

some replication, some cluster level erasure coding

well. you start with 1TB. then two. then 4, then get a small 4-bay nas. then second one. then 16 bay. then start servers cause $$$

anyhow, for resiliency, look at this format github.com/C2SP/C2SP/blob/main/age.md#encrypted-file-format

the header wraps the actual random keys for the recipients.

it's at the start

without this, even if you have the recipient keys/password, the rest is useless

then

> The binary payload encrypts the file body and starts immediately after the header. It begins with a 16-byte nonce generated by the sender from a CSPRNG. A new nonce MUST be generated for each file.

this 16-byte nonce is required for decryption too

if gone, rest is useless

then each block has a block counter and nonce. this is fine, as each block has it, you can "seek" and skip bad blocks

so what you do is back up the header AND nonce, add it to the tail of the tape (or some other place); also is extracted as metadata so it can be backed up using other means

Ah so it's per-file so that it's not all one big blob

not per file per se

I make one large streamed blob with Tar

which gets encrypted

you could make multiple, in the scripts I just handle this case

all this project does is wrap upstream git.gammaspectra.live/WeebDataHoard…h/master/internal/barrel/age.go#L17

and has it write keys, grabs them, then passes it fully to upstream

ah

I added some more features to it though

I generate the specific tar with compat flags I know

and process files in specific ways

it also checksums each file individually as it streams through and stitches things together

this gets written to external metadata files ... but also makes sha256sum compatible files :)

all this ensures that the complexity and need to be careful is on the input side (backing up), not output side (recovery)

DataHoarder: reed-solomon soon? :o

output/recovery side is as boring as it should be, minus if tape ended up borked, then you have the header files

you can do that on your own, but nah

tapes already do their own

I use this setup with A/B tapes

oh so the tape drive itself does the error correction?

someone else I know uses this script/tool too and just uses them on single tapes

yes.

it's needed, ahead of time

How many copies do you usually have?

as you can't really slow down the tape quick

A/B tapes indicates two

Also, are tapes like this still manufactured?

but they use it as long term archival, so tapes are backup

yes lol

they are modern tech

irc.gammaspectra.live/0ce2acaed50e26c9/image.png

So again - for each file, how many copies do you usually make?

I don't do "files" I backup datasets

I make a dataset of many files

each dataset goes on A/B tapes

12:24:49 <DataHoarder> A/B tapes indicates two

Ah, that was about this. Got it.

that is the archival setup. each A/B tape goes to different locations

while metadata can be backed up widely

it's small :)

I just refresh each location's backup whewnever I feel like it.

remember that changing a "file" on a tape requires rewriting it

so I just backup 12TB long-term chunks :)

sometimes related, other times it's what I have to backup

for lto-8 prices - in non-bulk, new, small packs

it's like $50 every 12TB

you can probably find waaay better if you are a sole proprietor company

that's like $4/TB

What a deal, had no idea)

new

best price for HDDs is used drives, 3TB, at $9/TB

or at higher density, very used SAS 12TB drives, at $10.8/TB

meanwhile: new tapes :)

2x still ends up below that pricing

able to do bulk 20x box? you can find these at 10-30% discounts at least

actually scratch that. you can find them even fucking cheaper

First link and it's already not the price I'd expect for 12TB storage)

yeah

pricing error

snatched it

risk is worth it

if they send just one - item description is wrong and I'll get money back

> Item Weight: 9.88 Pounds

DataHoarder: have you heard of 5D optical data storage

5D disks

What's the point of those?

<buynbadrah:matrix.org> Cindy: But there’s only 3d

the data is encoded in different angles

that's the 3D

depending on where you view the disk, it'll give you different data

that's the 5D*

BlueyHealer: storing up to 360TB of data in a 12cm disk

<buynbadrah:matrix.org> Hard disk but using like the sides of the magnetic disk?

that can survive harsh conditions and for billions of years

OOH

<buynbadrah:matrix.org> 360TB?!?!

yes

it uses an extremely short laser i think, like a femtosecond

or about a quadrillionth of a second

here's an example of a 5D disk

storing a copy of heroes of might and magic 3: complete

I don't remember it being 360 TB in size

<buynbadrah:matrix.org> So not magnetic but like a dvd/cd?

well yeah, it uses lasers

<dufebo98> hello, will the upcoming FCMP++ upgrade fix the Janus attack?

<rbrunner7> @dufebo98:monero.social: Yes. Check here: github.com/jeffro256/carrot/blob/ma…rrot.md#212-janus-attack-mitigation

<rbrunner7> It won't wash the dished and do the laundy, however :)

To be more specific, Carrot addressing does

FCMP++ is coming along with it as well, but they are two different things

<dufebo98> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/dVLCxwdCDfedNVcqNFyhoovA.jpeg (image_0ABBF793-F158-4144-9D5C-D471A9E01057_1767025285.jpeg)

more Risc-V :D

My plan is to finish RandomX V2 in Q1 2026 :P

dufebo98: is it just a computer in a big scary metal case?

<wrightpt1:matrix.org> I am creating a prediction maket. With monero

<wrightpt1:matrix.org> Is any one available that can has experience with sports predictions or any prediction market help me walk through end user flow.

just call it gambling

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @wrightpt1:matrix.org: Just go take a look at polymarket?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, it's just gambling 2.0

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I miss the Minko one

also remember to hire donald trump jr as your advisor

that'll help you not get blocked

<wrightpt1:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Canary.3xmr.com

<wrightpt1:matrix.org> Im enabling the end user to fund parleys tho

<wrightpt1:matrix.org> So instead of fan duel getting the pot when someone looses parley, end user does

<wrightpt1:matrix.org> That is big deal

BTW does Polymarket require KYC?

<wrightpt1:matrix.org> Im not sure. Why does it matter. 30 percent of users are from usa thru vpn

<wrightpt1:matrix.org> For polymarket

<wrightpt1:matrix.org> I just feel like polymarket misses the boat for end user experience

<ravfx:xmr.mx> BlueyHealer: Non. But you can only deposit usdt (easy to track)

Oh!

isnt polymarket open source though?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> No idea

I have no intention of gambling myself, I just know it from hilarious things people bet on. Like, pretty sure there is a bet on Jesus coming back

<wrightpt1:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/PyXgBrWKPVvlEOuMIwiFcFtt.jpeg (ima_0a5ab11.jpeg)

<wrightpt1:matrix.org> He said to open source market, would that help gain trust

<wrightpt1:matrix.org> I can do that

Is USDT any more trackable than BTC/LTC, which you can swap into from XMR?

<wrightpt1:matrix.org> How can monero work with automated market maker

<ravfx:xmr.mx> BlueyHealer: Not subaddress, extra shenanigans required afaik

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Noe subaddress*

Ah! But can you not swap into it from a currency that does have privacy?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yes, you can use the many swapper

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Its how I got ban from one payment provider lol

oh

Payment provider? Which one?

Also, like, you need an account on such to pay for something? Or for accepting payments?

a url that resembles the content of the site it links to is always a bonus, i dont see any canary or 3 xmrs , only name i see is "PredictX"

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Dont remember the name right now., its not a common one.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But the payment failed, then they returned the coins to me and banned the email I was using

oh

So you needed to make an account with them to pay for an unrelated service? Heard those can wven be KYC.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Non, just to pay for tradingview in crypto

<ravfx:xmr.mx> It use that shitty payment provider too

<ravfx:xmr.mx> It sent them your email to them when you use it

<wrightpt1:matrix.org> plowsof: Thx. Will implement them now. Litte input like this that add trust are great.

<wrightpt1:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/dQzGILvXQOzdhfHftdZGiejT.jpeg (ima_83a6b8a.jpeg)

Ah, you mean the account was with Tradingview.

lol

prompt4trust

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Non, I just try to not mention the specific service lol.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But tradingview use the same shitty payment provider

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Im pretty sure it flagged me because I used a fresh eth address for deposit from the swapper

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Or because my ip changed when I went to pay... There really sensitive snowflake with 1 star on trustpilot

A fresh eth address? what

BTW how can you pay for anything in ETH with its fees?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> BlueyHealer: Install programme to receive eth

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Receive eth dust and some usdt from swapper

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Pay it all to the thing you wanted to pay

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Well, when you use usdt you are stuck using the flavor of usdt they like

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Some people have polygon and solana

<ravfx:xmr.mx> So people have erc-20 only

I mean wouldn't the fees be crazy?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Hasnt been for yrs

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Depend.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Fees are shit but ok for occasional use...

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Assuming we are not into big pump movement or flood period (nft)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Its normally less than 50 cents I think

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I remember $80 fees a few yrs ago

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> On eth

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Me too

Oh!

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Its why I switched to tron usd back then. But now fees are higher on trc-20 than erc-20

ofrnxmr, yeah, I recall that, assumed it didn't change much!

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Well, it all depend of the network load at the end

<ufo808:matrix.org> to be honest with you, you used too much ai, I'm sure you don't even understand what your source code does most of the time, personally when I build something with ai I try to understand what it does/writes, because in the end it doesn't look good > <@wrightpt1:matrix.org> Canary.3xmr.com

<ufo808:matrix.org> I can't even register or create market, bro, this is not production ready at all

<ufo808:matrix.org> just being honest with you

<ufo808:matrix.org> not trying to insult or smth

the padding on the elements of the sidebar is like...

god fucking damn

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cindy: Type that into the ai and it will fix it. Duh

i need a scrollbar to see like 8 different optios

share it on reddit and put a donatoin address like everyone else

options*

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof: Make a kuno for it too

<ufo808:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: yep, until it messes it up completely

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ufo808:matrix.org: Then change handles and come back with a different idea

<ufo808:matrix.org> git helps with ai a lot, you just can revert commit if something goes wrong

<rucknium> Cindy: If you want a blockchain game based on the Monero codebase, check out Townforge. Yet, its development is slow.

😆 BIG NEWS [AMM PREDICTION DEX MARKET] - screenshot screenshot , Just polishing up the fine details!!!!!! COMING SOON, show your support at ongoing kuno! Much thanks to those whom already donated!!!

comments may include "Wow looks good!" , "been waiting for this!"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Reddit showing tonnes of support

lol

<rbrunner7> In any case, it's only real if you vibe-code it.

the best was a screenshot -of the git repo itself- to prove its open source

<rbrunner7> From now on I will only use software that carries the "AI stamp of approval"

if i dont see "Made with 💗 by kewbit" in the credits, im not interested

a joke

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @rbrunner7: I heard the other day that ai writes more robust code than humans

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> But i figure "robust" jus means "fat"

fatphobic

i can't believe there are people who just prompt AI, copy and paste

without knowing anything about the thing it generated

<ufo808:matrix.org> with ai-integrated IDE like Cursor you don't even need to copy and paste, just say

<ufo808:matrix.org> but this performance comes with a trade off of technical debt and skill issue

<ufo808:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/hrLUSLjhgWWbxUrQiUlbwnTF.mp4 (doc_2025-12-29_18-25-59.mp4)

As for "robust" - maybe also in "hard to modify"?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @ufo808:matrix.org: Confirmed by many research. Vibe coding do induce brain rot

well here's the ultimate test

<ufo808:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/KgZkXFwaNeuKJPBFzZnERnzp.mp4 (doc_2025-12-29_18-25-59.mp4)

I can't say for sure, but it kinda tracks with how it doesn't "think" in steps, just goes for a particular goal... But I would like to be cirrected if anyone knows better.

what if your LLM stops working

or just changes the model that now works very differently

Cindy, this is my hope tbh - that the big companies would take their products down when they collapse. We would still have the local models though...

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, there is no way to put the geni back in the bottle

so make it your last wish to make it freeeeeee

ravfx, but you could at least downplay it if the more powerful cloud stuff shuts down due to unaffordability.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> BlueyHealer: They do try to make running the models locally less affordable

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Oh nooo, the chineses released big llms models for free

<ravfx:xmr.mx> > buy all the rams, including unfinished wafers

<ravfx:xmr.mx> They want to be sure there model stay cheaper than running your own yourself

BYOR

.help

Infinity8: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

>:O

<brywyab:matrix.org> I installed monero but am not receiving to my atomic wallet.?

.coins DOGE

Cindy: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

Cindy: I sent you more info va PM

wtf is this bot

.coins set DOGE

Cindy: Your default coin set to DOGE

.balance

Cindy: • Your balance is: 0 XMR

i am poor

.faucet

Cindy: This command is disabled in this channel.

i continue to be poor

<brywyab:matrix.org> help

brywyab: receiving what?

more info needed

<brywyab:matrix.org> iset up moneromontero with atomic wallet but imI'm noynot getgetting any deposts

what is atomic wallet?

<brywyab:matrix.org> it was a sugestsuggestion to use wiwith monermonero

i don't really understand what you're sayng

are you referring to atomic swaps?

<brywyab:matrix.org> ccan pasrepaste a jpeg here

sure, just make sure not to include any personal info

<brywyab:matrix.org> how do iI attach file

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> With the paperclip button

also why are you talking like that

<brywyab:matrix.org> iI dodon't see paperclip

do we want the wallet bot here?

or it begone

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> What good is it?

no

don't begone it

.tip

.tip DataHoarder 100000

Cindy: Ooops! Not enough in your balance..

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> .help

i don't have enough literal monopoly money, sorry DataHoarder

nah ofrnxmr no puppet on IRC side

ofrnxmr: won't work over matrix because of the prefix that br-m says

sends*

.help

ofrnxmr: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

ofrnxmr: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs: bill48105.github.io/wallet | I sent you more info via PM

hey what's up

whaaat

you mean the developer is actually alive?

nope

i am a robot

.8ball should you get out

Cindy: UNSURE - Try again

.8ball should you get out, again

Cindy: UNSURE - Try again

.xmr .deposit

too many dots

.xmr deposit

ofrnxmr: Send XMR to 8AguygAwK3KRLJQ3thsY7C2cZhZirfPG7WLx6MJvQc1PQr7uaqX4f6kaYGwefP628TiXibZPtZob6TuCATuWxiyUQzQnYRp | credited after 3 confirms.

only need prefix at start

there ya go

credited after 3 confirms ey?

qubic, i need your reorg chain now

should i set it to 100

just 10

Why 10?

cuz everything's built around 10

not really

okay then

kek

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Base 10 best number!

1000 then

<brywyab:matrix.org> trying to attach jpeg cantcan't find paperclip

.xmr deposit 10000

Cindy: Send XMR to 84Vo2UJXeWvQC6LXvSQweuQuhbJDyNT4UEua6Gjb93BqV5aAorc7Fbhj5nGqbRFBPSK4EYdoSyiMd7CtqSHVReQxMD67psF | credited after 3 confirms.

no idea why 3 was used besides it was considered best for doge

3 is ~6mins. Basicswap uses 3

Bill48105: can i see the source code

kek you don't tell it how much you just send coins & it credits based on what it receives

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Its the norm for a lot of bitcoin based crypto (3)

right idea being by time 3 confirms unlikely to be invalid or reversed

.xmr deposit

.xmr deposit

.xmr bal

Bill48105: 0.00996944 XMR (≈$4.37) m:10

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I think because a lot of bitcoin accepting services used 3

.xmr deposit

DataHoarder: Send XMR to 8BvsFvpJothAXnR4LC66FhSZ3UfUJKv9HTxvADWbCwLWYPaYkVircuMCbcEkQmtxZz4tEfePmNagsHbCWmoFmfXM67MjMP3 | credited after 3 confirms.

.xmr bal

Cindy: 0 XMR

laggy?

.help

.xmr deposit

nah you had extra chars or something

;)

.furry

Cindy: not furry, FURY ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) youtu.be/nhbkOZL5gEI?t=28

.fury

Cindy: fury has humped 5888 legs & counting!

maybe tbh this fits more in #monero-offtopic and not #monero

what the aboslute fuck

given it starts with "multi coin" stuff :)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> .xmr leak_all_seeds

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> HAHAHA

ok yeah this seems like an offtopic bot

it's here as a carry over from freenode #monero

furryDIscordBot

ravfx: that sounds pretty wrong

tippero was xmr bot but was shut down

.elon

Cindy: I'm stoned:stonks

did you know this bot is also a reason why I had to add a common word dictionary for ping converter on the IRC<->Matrix bridge?

.ban Wallet

Cindy: Access denied for ban Reason: NO PERMISSIONS - See help, unlock, or recover

it kept making wallet mentions of the bot elsewhere

.unlock

.recover

Cindy: Your account doesn't need recovery or cannot be unlocked via recover command.

it was requested/suggested Wallet be brought in here and xmr set as default coin

.unlock 123456

Cindy: TOTP 2FA secret not set!

you do know you can do most commands in PM

.delete

and not spam the channel

.kick yourself

Bill48105: yes

<brywyab:matrix.org> help

or one of the many dedicated bot channels

yeah that's the reason I mentioned it Bill48105, the spam will get there (and maybe abused by the raids)

.mattwj2002

generally USERS that abuse bots causing spam/flooding are dealt with before blaming the bot

what is this command

who is this matt guy

matt's command is forced to pm or notice because he spams it

i noticed

example of handling users who trigger bot before blaming the bot

.calc (100 ^ 10000) ^ 3

Cindy: ERROR: Large exponents kill baby shibes!

.calc (100 ^ 10) ^ 3

Cindy: ERROR: Large dildos kill baby shibes!

no comment :P

but yeah after no tippero i was asked if i'd xmr to Wallet bot but i already had it

it supports like 20 coins & 10+ platforms

<brywyab:matrix.org> want to attchattach jpeg but where is paperclip?

includes built in cross platform tipping/bridging too

so users on irc (libera) can tip users on matrix, discord etc

built in bridging doesnt need to be enabled for the features to work BUT the bot needs to know users on both ends so the users need to be in channels the bot is in on their respective ends..

<brywyab:matrix.org> i must be in wrong room

dunno brywab what is it you are looking for. no paperclips in monero that i'm aware of

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @brywyab:matrix.org: #monero-support:monero.social

.xmr tip Bill48105@discord $0.01

Bill48105 tipped 0.00002279 XMR (≈$0.01) to Bill48105 on discord [cc4d4e7b]

<brywyab:matrix.org> installed moneromontero with atomic wallet but not getting deposits

bummer. is it synced and ready and you sent to address given by the wallet

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @brywyab:matrix.org: No idea what this is

got me just guessing. never used that wallet but in general those are required for wallets to be functional

the wallet needs to be ready. you get address from that wallet & send to that address. you can't send to other addresses & expect the coins to show up in different wallet which is common mistake/misconception for some

some services queue sends so your coins wont appear immediately

once there is at least 1 confirm normally it's been broadcast & visible in block explorers & possibly destination wallet

once it reaches minimum number of confirms to be deemed trustworthy it'll show as confirmed vs pending

that's just general crypto related not monero specific

<brywyab:matrix.org> {

<brywyab:matrix.org> "api": {

<brywyab:matrix.org> "id": null,

<brywyab:matrix.org> "worker-id": null

<brywyab:matrix.org> },[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/2IDfrtcKdjNRU1Zt ]

<brywyab:matrix.org> my config file

you have never received payments in centralized pools

that address you listed only has unconfirmed balance

on xmrpool.eu > Pending Balance: 0.000045469023 XMR

on nanopool > 0.00030446

you will need to reach 0.11 XMR on nanopool to get anything out

or 0.07 XMR on xmrpool.eu

(I list these on blocks.p2pool.observer/pools )

it'll probably take a long time.

if you'd like to receive payments for every block found while you had shares in the window, there's P2Pool. Probably p2pool nano or p2pool mini for your hashrate

oh right pools normally need min balance to be met before sending especially for free/low fee

for this, you need to run things locally

it's a bummer trade ogre got shut down

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> nonlogs.io if youre feeling rabid

feelin randy are ya

oh rabid

<brywyab:matrix.org> ok so ill just wait then

guess ogre didn't grease the right palms well enough

wonder how long non logs lasts

sticky frm mod regarding non logs "Please treat with caution, as this seems new."

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Ogre admin is allegedly dead

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Bill48105: thats why i said rabid

seriously? ouch that's a bummer eh

fell out a window?

when the seizure came, they said that the admin couldnt be arrested because they had died months earlier

hmm

i only knew what happened because bot was using their api for market data

but yeah tough to arrest someone ded

weird things were still rolling for months though eh

Bill48105: somebody got scammed and sued and in the suit mentioned that ogre didn't do enough to recover the coins

also seems that the owner of ogre passed away so.....

ouch yeah that'll do it but personal accountability should be a thing

not wen we have lawyers :D

and yeah sounds like multiple things went down that lead to it

all good things must come to an end eventually

lawyers need to eat too