so people finally figured out that we live in a surveillance dystopia and now are buying monero?

unlikely

yeah

<datahoarder> test

monero.social is back and so is bridge

<ravfx:xmr.mx> What did append?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Hamster ran off the wheel and hit the floor at high velocity or?

boy howdy i don't understand federated servers

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Federation was working just fine seriously.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But the bridge and a LOT of people are on monero.social so all of theses when out of the matrix

<ofrnxmr> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Some of the services were down for most of the day

<ofrnxmr> Monero.social, repo.getmonero

<j_0t:matrix.org> Sorry for my newbie question, where can i trade with monero? In Binace is no available

<ofrnxmr> you have a binance account? Buy btc or ltc from binance, and swap it for xmr on

<ofrnxmr> * [fastest, no setup] trocador.app or orangefren.com (swappers, centralized)

<ofrnxmr> * btc -> xmr using eigenwallet (atomic swaps)

<ofrnxmr> * ltc -> xmr using basicswap (involved setup required. Atomic swaps)[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/jLWGpdwKT2VoUlNs ]

<maxlpm:tchncs.de> Hey everyone! =]

<maxlpm:tchncs.de> I'm having trouble with downloading the Monero blockchain.

<maxlpm:tchncs.de> Previously, I've used remote nodes. However, recently I started thinking about mining using the official wallet. After reading a bunch of docs, I started downloading the blockchain. I knew that it was going to be slow, but after downloading for about 18 hours I've only completed 12 GiB. This means that, taking into acco[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/iZrdrdwKWWlPajF2 ]

the actual risks is that you'll be on some other fork

rather than the actual main blockchain

the actual risks are that*

<maxlpm:tchncs.de> Why is that bad?

your node will be "disconnected" from the actual blockchain

also disabling verification means any attacker can shove malformed blocks within the chain that you downloaded

before importing

maxlpm: also btw, you can mine off of a remote node

made my first ever debian bug report bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1125469

p2pool lets you do it, and you can use xmrig

don't upgrade your IRC servers to debian trixie if you run inspircd and have TLS links with self signed certs

you don't have to have a full node unless you're solo-mining

or upgrade but keep inspircd held

<maxlpm:tchncs.de> Cindy_ really? Is it supported by the official client?

<maxlpm:tchncs.de> Or only by xmrig

the mining on the official client is just solo-mining

i think

i don't know if they added p2pool yet

<maxlpm:tchncs.de> There is an option for p2pool, however it says that I need to have the blockchain first

you don't have to

just look at gupax

it lets you mine p2pool off of a remote node

<maxlpm:tchncs.de> I switched to P2Pool right now in the official wallet and the exact wording is "Your daemon must be synchronized before you can start mining"

<maxlpm:tchncs.de> When using a remote node there's no "advanced" tab available, so no mining.

<maxlpm:tchncs.de> I guess I can use xmrig then. Thank you for the help!

use gupax

it'll setup p2pool and xmrig for you

<redsh4de:matrix.org> +1

no full local node needed

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Gupax makes things extremely simple

<maxlpm:tchncs.de> Hm? What's different between gupax and xmrig + a p2pool pool?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> No difference technically, gupax just abstracts the technical setup parts away behind a couple buttons and input fields

<maxlpm:tchncs.de> Ah, I'd rather use xmrig then. Thanks!

<kaigoh:gohegan.uk> @maxlpm:tchncs.de: I've dabbled with Oxide Miner recently and had good results

<ack-j:matrix.org> MAGIC is seeking donations to develop fuzzing harnesses to cover the FCMP++ and P2P code. These harnesses help to identify edge cases and memory corruption vulnerabilities that often are hard to discover in traditional code review. Please consider donating 🙏

<ack-j:matrix.org> donate.magicgrants.org/monero/projects/fuzzing-monero-2

ack-j wasnt this funded already?

its not showing on blocks.p2pool.observer/payments anymore but i recall a large donation cc DataHoarder

<ack-j:matrix.org> Our first fuzzing project was funded last year to develop fuzzing harnesses for the rpc handlers. It was an overwhelming success with which we now have 100% coverage. We recently started a second fuzzing project to work with the same firm and increase coverage of FCMP++ and the peer to peer codebases.

<ack-j:matrix.org> Here is our first fuzzing project:

<ack-j:matrix.org> donate.magicgrants.org/monero/projects/fuzzing-monero-rpc

today i had a thought

doesn't the EU provide funding for cryptograhic research? i wonder if they can put pressure on researchers if they determine that it could be used for "anonymity-enhancing cryptocurrencies"

to not accept putting research into a certain field if it could be used*

15:27:29 <@plowsof> its not showing on blocks.p2pool.observer/payments anymore but i recall a large donation cc DataHoarder

I can't tell for magic monero fund, they use btcpayserver

so each donation uses own subaddress

DataHoarder: doesn't a view key also reveal payments to subaddresses?

yes. but I don't know subaddress => project mapping

as subaddress is different for each donation, not each project

oh

<sbt:nope.chat> Holy shit. 720. Crazy

<sbt:nope.chat> Whoever bought during qubic dump (250) gets the reward

now now, don't get too carried away with the price

it's just the europeans preparing for the EU ban on monero :P

<eddie:oblak.be> True, it'll go down again some time soonb

the ban is gonna happen a year later

<eddie:oblak.be> The ban is not on monero

<eddie:oblak.be> it's for VASP to handle "privacy coins"

the ban is on anonymity-enhancing cryptocurrencies, yes

<eddie:oblak.be> it's still legal for individuals to use it

CASPs, ATMs, crowdfunding

<eddie:oblak.be> And when the boomers go to elderly home, the ban will get lifted

<eddie:oblak.be> 🤞

considering where the EU is going, i doubt it

<eddie:oblak.be> history is a pendulum

italy managed to piss off cloudflare yesterday i think

<eddie:oblak.be> it never just goes one way

they tried to get cloudflare to agree to banning domains 30 minutes after notice and world-wide

cloudflare obviously disagreed with those rules, and they tried to fine cloudflare for it

<eddie:oblak.be> lol..

banning domains at any time btw

within a 30 minute window

<eddie:oblak.be> That's a fantasy demand

<eddie:oblak.be> Also, it's silly they still think DNS blocking is an effective measure

they fined cloudflare 14.2 million euros

so cloudflare is considering just cutting all its ties to italy

taking away their servers from italy, terminating contracts, etc.

after the fine

<eddie:oblak.be> They should do that

<eddie:oblak.be> What would be even funnier

Yeah, the DNS part surprised me as well! Like, that's barely even a block!

<eddie:oblak.be> They should prevent anyone that browses from italy to access cloudflare protected webvsites

Like, still worth fighting for. But not a big deal, unlike, say, learning to detect XRay.

<eddie:oblak.be> that would basically make 30% of the internet inaccessible for italian lawmakers

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Disclaimer: this isnt price talk.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> usually, during price runups, you have a flood of new or old users showing up. Anyone else curious why its so quiet?

#monero-markets for price

some inflow was had, tbh, but not that much

I wonder how the discord is faring

wow, stagenet is pumping out blocks faster than 2 minutes

eddie, no, whom would that benefit? That would hurt the regular people, those who can do nothing and had no desire for this to happen in the fiest place, so you're just being performatuve.

like one block per 1 minute.. instead of 2 minutes

I feel like terminating the business side of things is way better, because it most prominently hurts those who actually made this happen.

<svag:matrix.org> DataHoarder: lots of people with the XMR tag active in the Hyperliquid Discord

<svag:matrix.org> I am not personally in the XMR Discord because Discord is the least privacy-preserving social media on the internet

BlueyHealer: they did this btw, all because of their precious rich people who know how to kick balls around

<eddie:oblak.be> if they terminate the business, the italians that like to use cloudflare are affected too

<svag:matrix.org> Discord dont even follow EU GDPR law. they have 10+ year old logs stored, when GDPR only requires 6-24 months

<eddie:oblak.be> and if they block italy from the internet, that would show who's really in power

oh they can't afford to buy a new rolls royce if everyone's illegally streaming them kicking balls around

But the regular people didn't want this to happen and have no way to stop it from happening! So you'd just be mean for no reason.

That is a terrible idea.

<eddie:oblak.be> the regular people don't know what cloudflare is..

Yeah, but they would notice the impact of being blocked by it!

<eddie:oblak.be> ok, other idea

BlueyHealer: AGCOM also blocked google drive lol

<eddie:oblak.be> cloudflare can block all internet coming from the AS blocks from the italian government, not regular ISP's

so for all the normal people out there

normal italians, they can't use google drive anymore

<eddie:oblak.be> if they want they can just target the actual lawmakers that ask for this ban

<eddie:oblak.be> Cindy: is that so?

Like, they didn't even know what CF was - they couldn't have impacted the decisions made on it. Weird that you'd WANT to make a scrapegoat when CF itself seems more reasonable in its intents.

eddie, I wonder how clear the divide is there. Yeah, that sounds more reasonable.

They'd just circumvent it tho but whatever.

Cindy, can't use it *directly*, idk how used they are to ban evading.

eddie: torrentfreak.com/google-drive-black…er-major-anti-piracy-blunder-241020

<eddie:oblak.be> BlueyHealer: do you mean the lawmakers?

<eddie:oblak.be> lol

<eddie:oblak.be> the problem here is that european countries have chinese firewalls

wow, italy sure do care a lot about their rich ball-kickers

i haven't seen the NFL or NBA act like this yet

<basses:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: EU export DPI firewalls

<eddie:oblak.be> Cindy: it's from 2024, it's not in effect anymore

ah

0.01 stagenet XMR gone down the void due to crappy code

this is why stagenet exists :D

<eddie:oblak.be> It's funny how no news is talking about monero during the mooning

<eddie:oblak.be> if it was bitcoin or zcash moonboys just wouldn't shut up

because we are just not like that

Monero.. means fucking money

not "speculative investment"

<sbt:nope.chat> Nah I think it's hitting 1k. It's been way undervalued for too long tbh > <@eddie:oblak.be> True, it'll go down again some time soonb

Cindy: i haven't seen the NFL or NBA act like this yet <- From what I understand, sports managers are the ones fighting pirated livestreams the most.

Cindy: what kind of crappy code

Bunnyh: the code that scans for outputs in the blockchain didn't work

i got these XMRs from a taiwanese faucet, i'm not too worried

<sbt:nope.chat> Seems like every privacy coin is going up. ZEC is 12% and DASH is 59% in 24h

<yokoama:matrix.org> @sbt:nope.chat: dash is a privacy coin ?

it has masternodes

and electrolytes

the only privacy part of DASH is coinjoin

which is like.. as far as i can tell

like multiple users combining their transactions and outputs together into one

<sbt:nope.chat> @yokoama:matrix.org: Tbh idk I just read about it sometime ago

which is good for not being able to figure out who sent to who???

i mean DASH still reveals how much you have in your wallet

<sbt:nope.chat> Cindy: That's still something

it's literally just like a mixer except without the tumbling around and such

i don't know how private it is against blockchan analysis companies

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/dDmDDLwIzCmDPbYircXWIbeX.png (Somebody uploaded this in markets)

that's true

coinjoin doesn't even provide good privacy

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> It provides insta-tainted coins tho

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> So, id the idea is "make all btc dirty", than i guess it works. But its a sorry excuse for a privacy tool

a blockchain analysis company can still figure out who sent to who

by checking for recurring addresses

if bob appears in the coinjoin transaction (as sender) often, and if alice appears as a receiver often whenever bob is in the sending side

then you can figure out that bob likes to send to alice

<rucknium> A sane wallet shouldn't be reusing addresses. Rotating addresses is suggested in the bitcoin white paper.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @rucknium: Reusing addresses doesnt really matter if the currency is private and youre interacting with the same party

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Rotatinf addresses is necessary in 2 situations:

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. The coin that youre using reveals your balances and history (and future)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 2. You want to maintain separate identities within the same wallet

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If im paying my landlord, depositing to my dex or cex account, or paying my taxes, theres no benefit to giving me a different address for every transaction

<rucknium> Right. In Dash's case it matters.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, for sure

$800, no-one happy?

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> doomp eet

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No price talk here

<remake6316:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: based

Hueristic was only here for... 5 minutes

before they left

sad they'll never know this place is not for price talk

<crazybot:matrix.org> @datahoarder:monero.social: ur bridge is down for #monero-markets u fucking retard

there is no bridge there, seems you are accusing others of your own :)

ask plowsof for reasons

seems we got another kitty

i have a vision of opening matrix up and seeing someone join and leaving

<basses:matrix.org> > crazybot

<crazybot:matrix.org> plowsof: what's the reason?

crazybot why would you say something so mean btw

<crazybot:matrix.org> what?

<crazybot:matrix.org> why no bridge in #monero-markets lol, idk what's mean about that

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> datahorder is cool and does a lot of work for the mrl

datahoarder is the best

also he's totally not larping as a girl right now

i'm not him y'know

<plowsof:matrix.org> meanwhile someone else is doing alot of account creation -> room joining and room leaving

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> Cindy: is she single 👀

the room there is glitched thanks to Matrix. not fixed yet

<crazybot:matrix.org> did u answer tho?

maybe room upgrade would fix it, not up to me

<plowsof:matrix.org> is he single 👀

<gan:skhron.org> DataHoarder: in which sense?

some people say i'm not single, because i'm double a person

<plowsof:matrix.org> the room version of markets is 9 if that makes any difference

<gan:skhron.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: Well, it's certainly should be upgraded

is that a fat joke

yes

<monero.arbo:matrix.org> median block size limit is growing :3