<anhdres:matrix.org> Monerujos doesn't support polyseed (yet) 🫢 > <@intr:unredacted.org> it's supported by feather and I believe monerujo, but not the official wallet yet afaik

<321bob321> Soon

<yokoama:matrix.org> @anhdres:matrix.org: (yet) so maybe supported after fcmp++ ?

<anhdres:matrix.org> @yokoama:matrix.org: soon (tm)

are there any implications to consider for an old wallet? I'm redeploying my infrastructure and making a list of things to either improve or update...what's the consensus on "old coins" that haven't moved in a bunch of years? Is it an issue?

is it pre-RingCT?

it's like (checks memory) four years ago is all?

oh 2022/2021?

not much of a problem really

yeah that sounds about right, checking on the timeline now as I've had my node shut down for a while during a bunch of basically constant relocation. Got a lot of catching up to do

<funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> hi

<funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> when does the fcmp update come

dunno

i wonder so too

some old projects have completely changed their infrastructure and migrated to different coins altogether it looks like, so I'm sorta mapping things out on my to-do list. Last time I was really here was when Monerotopia was in Miami, and we were talking about Seraphis timeline...looking back now it seems there has been a lot of discussion about an alternative path forward.

<funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> what coins?

Oxen for example, is focusing on their Session product now and my old node's PoS lockup needs to be converted to EVM tokens. Stuff like that.

was loki, then oxen, now sesh

I was always more interested in lokinet and session than the coin anyway, so I will probably get that back together.

<funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> are you a dev

not in this space, unrelated industry

<rucknium> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: Highly likely this calendar year. If it is not deployed this year, it is more likely that it will never be deployed, which could happen if some fatal problem has been found. But researchers have been checking all parts of the protocol for more than a year now and found no major problems.

i just wrote my address generation code

do i have to rewrite it again for carrot ;_;

<rucknium> Don't roll your own cryptography. There's your answer.

<rucknium> Unless you are doing it just for fun instead of mainnet use.

you say that, but i literally have no other choice

nobody has actually written an address generation library for my language

<funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> @rucknium: this is good.

<rucknium> Cindy: You cannot link anything?

i use rust :P

<funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> will ai AGI break all monero transactions from the past?

<rucknium> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: You didn't request them, but here are those papers: moneroresearch.info/index.php?actio…S_CORE&method=keywordProcess&id=125

<funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> thanks

no, AI will not break transactions

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Why not

<rucknium> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: No. A quantum computer could reduce privacy of many transactions. It could also counterfeit coins. Research on defending against quantum computers is ongoing.

<rucknium> Cindy: Doesn't Carrot also have a Rust library? Let me check.

if it does, you'd be a fucking life saver

nobody has actually written the cryptonote wallet generation thing as a rust library

<funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> what are some things i can do to support monero?

<maxlpm:tchncs.de> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: getmonero.org/get-started/contributing

<rucknium> Here is an attempt at using AI against Monero ring signatures. Wasn't very effective: github.com/ACK-J/Monero-Dataset-Pip…rtificially_Intelligent_Attacks.pdf

<rucknium> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: monero.observer/ultimate-guide-new-monero-contributors

<boog900> what do you need? seeds? or litterally just addresses as monero-oxide does provide addresses > <Cindy> nobody has actually written an address generation library for my language

wallet generation

not address generation

i have used monero-oxide addresses for my code though

<rucknium> Cindy: "Libraries for the CARROT addressing protocol in pure Rust" github.com/jeffro256/carrot-rs

<funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> wtf i thought local monero was gone

<funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> its back? new owners?

<boog900> Cindy: ah thats a lot more than seeds and addresses.

yeah, i was planning to make a crate that would help solve this problem

after i was done with this program

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> monero-oxide has addresses and monero-wallet-util has seeds. What's missing?

like a high-level abstraction over monero-oxide and monero-wallet stuff

kayabanerve: wallet generation

<rucknium> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: Local Monero is gone. People are using RetoSwap now, the only network that uses the Haveno software.

aka. derive a view pair and spend pair from a seed

or something

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> That isn't helpful for me as I'd consider that a composition of seed and address functionality.

<funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> localmonero.me

<funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> what is this

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Yeah, monero-wallet-util has a seed lib

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: Openmonero, a copycat

yeah but the seed lib just decodes a seed to bytes

<funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> scam?

and the address generation just takes public keys

you need code in-between to generate the wallet, which is what i had to do

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: They lost user funds already. You be the judge

<funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: that sounds like a 2nd holocaust

monero-oxide did save me from having to decode seeds and also do address generation myself soo, thanks monero-oxide devs

:D

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Oh. So the hash for the view key and scalar multiplications by the generator? That's the glue being discussed here?

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Got it

yes

kayabanerve: i wonder if i could make a PR for it in monero-wallet-util?

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> That'd be pleasant :)

Cindy: address generation?

you mean... base58?

from the given spend/view pubs + byte

or account/offset indices -> subaddress pubs

i..... don't actually mean that

<kevino:tchncs.de> Ohhhh

<weiningerenjoyer99:matrix.org> Wassup my niggas

<weiningerenjoyer99:matrix.org> How yall doing?

moderator?

<plowsof:matrix.org> yep

hello everyone, is somebody here who can helped me to recover by funds freezed by KuCoin its Monero, i've all the required proofs but i just need a advisor / lawyer or experience member who can help me to fight this case and give me justice, i can pay the fees Thankyou.

doesn't r/Monero warn against using kucoin?

like really, really warn against it

p3rL: old.reddit.com/r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1gzktuz/stay_away_from_kucoin

looks like this isn't their first time, and you won't be the last

i didn't knew they will do this with their old users who constantly use of their services.

<elongated:matrix.org> Guest23: Post everything thing on X and force them to come clean

looks like they're used to doing this kind of shit

well i have to fill the CDD form first that they given via EMAIL after that i've to raise voice on r/Kucoin r/Monero & Twitter

i need a advisor to fill the form with perfection so there will be no further forms will come to fill.

is there any monero advisors or any other services where i can get proper help related issue. i just don't want to fill the form myself.

*Twitter

p3rL: honestly best of luck getting your funds back

<plowsof:matrix.org> what is a CDD form?

i've seen on reddit some got refunded if they provide proper details

it'll really be up to them whether they'll give a shit or not. next time, you shouldn't keep your funds in a wallet you don't actually own

CDD form = Customer Due Delligence something

i've seen many many people make the same mistake

<plowsof:matrix.org> ahh ok

Cindy i was not holding my funds there i transfer XMR to KU and sell it for USDT pair and when i withdraw usdt they freezed withdraw

then you probably triggered some anti-money laundering detection bullshit

before it i've done couple of times but never got freezed they put in me AML/CFT act.

yeah

but i was selling my long term holding in bull market and getting usdt to my ledger thats it .

wheres the money laundery in it ?

also i've all the proofs of those XMR that i was selling its my mining earnings

i can get a statement from Pool.

transferring anonymous coins and then swapping for some other widely-used transparent coins :P

that's the thing they detected

if you look at that from their perspective, you'll get why it sounds super sus

because scammers also do that kind of thing, they use centralized exchanges to transfer in coins and then swap to some other widely-known currency

yeah but each xmr is earned from mining and i can proof it with proper statements by pool admin

i sold xmr on top and get usdt to buy back in dips i dont get it whers the problem in it ?

same address i used to withdraw never get problem before but when i sold the top they got a pain in the ass.

i hope that you didn't actually transfer all the XMR you had

couple of batch was withdraw

<plowsof:matrix.org> its in the t&c's this AML stuff. no need for theatrics or pickachu face. last time i checked, they have rolling limits (x tranferred in a 1 month) and single transaction limits 5-20k.. but im not sure on kucoin specifics

well i was mining from years like 10 years and holding it for bull its obvious when u are selling 10 years earning in a day it will be 20k+ or so

5k is already a huge sum of money lol

the point is all the xmrs are earned from mining and has proper proofs.

binaryFate luigi1111 fluffypony any of you would like to pay attention to this case ?

none of them can do anything for you

they don't have special connections to kucoin

its not about connections it about what to provide and what not to whats my rights to provide them and whats not their rights to ask them

<plowsof:matrix.org> fill the CDD form in - if there are gaps, you'll hear about it and be able to fill them

they are just developers

the stuff you're asking is subjective and not related to monero

it's related to the exchange you're using

aight so i don't need to waste time here.

<plowsof:matrix.org> start a twitter poll to roll the block chain back, or fill the CDD form in yourself (without exposing yourself to scammers) and wait for the response before going nuclear

we don't have much to help you with, you're at the whims of kucoin

plowsof: lol, roll the blockchain back

there are better chances of qubic getting a 90% than that

p3rL: i wish you the best of luck, next time don't be so reckless with your money

i just dont wanna fill the form myself i need advisor i dont wanna give them all the details they want unless its necessary by law

if they are asking much more then their actual rights i am not going to fullfil

then you'd have to consult a local advisor

yeah where can i find one ?

I have no idea, as it depends on your local environment

who is using stagenet a lot

i cannot believe that it's getting blocks after blocks

<ofrnxmr> Cindy: ?

nvm, the network is slow now

also btw, is there a way to bypass the 10-block requirement until your change fund get unlocked

or is that not allowed by consenus

idk why i was thinking stagenet would be different

it is consensus

you can't spend outputs mined within that

this makes it much tougher to test my program i guess

since i have to wait until it's okay for consensus

make your own test/stagenet

private

you have a method to literally mine a block

like, pop it goes

so you can advance as fast as needed

well that's good advice

besides, in private chain, i can get unlimited XMR

rather than relying on a taiwanese faucet

good advice for the person hitting their head onto concrete "don't hit your head onto concrete"

also i can make my own consensus! :D

DataHoarder: i mean c'mon, i thought there was like a sandbox network where the consensus was significantly relaxed

(sure there'd be a lot of counterfeit coins, but that's the fun of it)

I don't recommend changing the consensus

even in the private one

you will find a lot of stuff has it duplicated

just pop blocks as quick as needed and call it a day

or well, not pop as in stack

but produce it

actually how many people are mining in the stagenet

i wonder if i could just solomine in my crappy computer

without hosting a private chain

you can

<rbrunner7> If you only need a few coins to play with? Almost certainly, difficulty is pretty low usually

check block difficulty

not just rbrunner7 they also want to afaik unlock coins fast when needed

without waiting for 10 block lock

^

which is why i'm mining

if i just wanted coins, i'd go to the taiwanese faucet

<maxlpm:tchncs.de> What does "taiwanese faucet" mean?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Xmr-tw probably

<kevino:tchncs.de> Sorry i have been away from the moneroland , when does the fcmp++ update gets merged ?

18:54:46 <DataHoarder> loosely updated list seraphis-migration/monero #53

beta stressnet is pending

<kevino:tchncs.de> Or there is still testing going on at stagenet

<kevino:tchncs.de> DataHoarder: Ohh ok

there is alpha stressnet atm

stagenet is after testnet even :P

<kevino:tchncs.de> Ic

<kevino:tchncs.de> Eta ?

maxlpm: xmr-tw, yes

<kevino:tchncs.de> Oooo

they have a stagenet faucet

(private stressnet) -> (alpha stressnet) -> (beta stressnet) -> testnet -> mainnet

<kevino:tchncs.de> DataHoarder: And where is stressnet ? Or its same as testnet

we are somewhat in between alpha/beta, alpha has been for longer than expected not to FCMP++ issues, but older monero ones

<kevino:tchncs.de> DataHoarder: Cool thanks

see github.com/seraphis-migration/monero/releases

it's a fork of testnet

off*

<kevino:tchncs.de> K

there is ##monero-stressnet on irc and equivalent on matrix

<kevino:tchncs.de> Yeah i was on it at some point

what do people stress in stressneet

stressnet*

do they spam reorgs?

or do whatever they can to break the network?

spam txs, spam reorgs

try to keep hashrate low...

and see what stuff breaks down

hmmm

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<lza_menace> He doesn’t say monero. But he describes it to the letter.