<alexandre:uii.pt> cool, seems like my countries banks are preventing transfers to DFX... looks like i have to find an alternative

<monerobull:matrix.org> retoswap.com

retoswap is not a good place if you're just looking to do a small trade

like 100 dollars or so small trade

haveno only has big offers tbh, i wish it could replace CEXs like localmonero could

<monerobull:matrix.org> wrong

<monerobull:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/JgLJZXZEYweLWalcpVsTCiBw.png (image.png)

<monerobull:matrix.org> youre just looking in the wrong place

monerobull: what are the payment methods

<monerobull:matrix.org> revolut, wise, cashapp, even pay by mail for the GBP one

is that screenshot from inside reto?

<monerobull:matrix.org> idk who the fuck would bother with a 57 pound pay by mail offer but it is an option

<monerobull:matrix.org> btcdwed: yeah, from the no deposit page

thx

so literally nothing usable for direct international payment

except cashapp, but that's probably US-only

<intr:unredacted.org> yeah cashapp is not a thing in EU at least

i want moneygram, western union or other forms of payment where i can at least get the payment in cash directly

<monerobull:matrix.org> Cindy_: bro just join the simplex and ask for someone to make a trade then

<monerobull:matrix.org> or post your own offers

<monerobull:matrix.org> "it literally doesnt have the specific payment method and amount i want, USELESS 💢"

localmonero had a lot of western union offers

for small amounts even

MG and WU would be cool

i get it, they're not the same :P

<monerobull:matrix.org> isnt western union just a bank trasnfer

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Moneygram would be interesting. Haven't hears about those in a while though. > <Cindy_> i want moneygram, western union or other forms of payment where i can at least get the payment in cash directly

no

WU and MG are both bank transfer or direct cash payment

yea

you don't have to have a bank account to use MG or WU

<monerobull:matrix.org> you can make a request to the haveno repo

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Its like hawala with kyc

... they already exist in haveno?

<monerobull:matrix.org> you literally can just do things

it's just that nobody is making an offer wth them

<monerobull:matrix.org> then post a buy offer with an attractive premium?

i guess

<monerobull:matrix.org> @monerobull:matrix.org: this is how we got no deposit offers

<monerobull:matrix.org> i was going through the bisq code and they had comments on it

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Cindy_: I live in a pretty low kyc region.. Wonder if I can set something up.

<monerobull:matrix.org> and i proposed a design to woodser and the GOAT that he is, implemented it

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> I forgot how much information WU/MG ask.

WU asks for your ID when you're sending money

and the real first/last name and country of the person you're sending to

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> ID for recipient ?

on the receiver side, you have to give your ID to the teller too yeah

they just verify and then give it back

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> If the only thing they log is the name then it's not too bad.

yeah they just check the name

they dont actually take a picture of your ID, at least in my branch they didn't

if you're worried about that :P

though i have heard depending on your branch, they do that

100 dollars... small... LOL

100 dollars was a generous amount

considering the really small ones dont exist at all in haveno

like 20 bucks

<monerobull:matrix.org> use instant swappers for that?

<monerobull:matrix.org> nobody will bother selling you $20 worth of monero

But first you need to get the crypto to swap from. Or Bisq is better in this regard?

Like, I don't even HAVE $100 in my savings, let alone being able to RISK it

<monerobull:matrix.org> bisq minimums are 2-3 times as high

<monerobull:matrix.org> youll have to buy LTC on some CEX or something

<monerobull:matrix.org> being poor is expensive

oh

But CEXes are dangerous and this is the whole reason for those DEXs...

Bisq is only really usable for ammounts 4f or above

And bisq2?

Any less than that you are out of luck

So someone mentioned a Simplex chat of it - is that better?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Of what

<monerobull:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: you can ask people to post offers there

Never used so curious - how likely are they to be answered in practice? Like, do a lot of people check buy offers?

<alexandre:uii.pt> on haveno can you usually ask for a smaller value? in euro the no deposit options are quite a high amount

<alexandre:uii.pt> or the value asked is "set in stone"?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @alexandre:uii.pt: Yes

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The range* is set in stone

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (by the offer maker)

I'm really surprised openalias isn't used that much. Wrote a simple openalias resolver that I just recently put online. api.lunar.sh/bin/openresolve feedback welcome

<elongated:matrix.org> dmlunar: Any dns / 3rd party resolver hampers privacy

<elongated:matrix.org> Should be disabled by default on” privacy” first wallets.

I just use it because it makes remembering addresses easier.

<intr:unredacted.org> openalias is pretty cool

<eddie:oblak.be> wtf is pubiq back at it?

<eddie:oblak.be> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/oblak.be/vQvdnifHiyQGQEJzFjlQwwDO.png (image.png)

<intr:unredacted.org> wow

<intr:unredacted.org> not again bro..

<eddie:oblak.be> Not sure if it's just a fake number but..

<eddie:oblak.be> The qubic price is sort of at an all time low

the latest mined blocks don't look like they have 5.5 GH/s

they get 20-25% of blocks, no more

<eddie:oblak.be> indeed, I was looking at it now

sech1: so they're faking their stats again

when will they learn their lesson lol

<eddie:oblak.be> but why are they still doing this, ..

their shitcoin flat-lined

they need to revive it before it becomes truly dead

<elongated:matrix.org> dmlunar: Save it in address book of your wallet.

<elongated:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: They are here to save market price, exchanges will increase deposit conf to 720 again 😅

<elongated:matrix.org> sech1: How can they get this high hashrate ?

<eddie:oblak.be> sech1: monero ocean reports ~6GH/s as total hashrate

They don't have this hashrate

They just say they do (in pool API)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/WDcVvoJIcwWRWcJBRHPprrNb.png (share_5162208600881151265.png)

<xmr2cex:unredacted.org> Since they started hiding their data, hashrate has gone up and up but thought they were done with the publicity stunts

<eddie:oblak.be> yeah there's nothing about this "campaign" on their twitter afaik

<xmr2cex:unredacted.org> Silent advertising, unfortunately for them it won't work again

<xmr2cex:unredacted.org> Get them what they want, the exposure for their behavior is just going to back fire

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> Say you're qubic and there is enough liquidity in XMR and hyperliquid. What would stop you funding a campaign to do a selfish mining and/or reject tx in blocks and shorting monero as people have some fear?

<elongated:matrix.org> @quadriocellata:matrix.org: It’s a known issue, a look is coming out soon

<xmr2cex:unredacted.org> Just a final stroke before fading away

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> @elongated:matrix.org: Is the book also about general network disruption ? (e.g. publishing empty blocks). Could you provide a brief outline as to the topics that will be covered in it or do you have a link about that?

<elongated:matrix.org> @quadriocellata:matrix.org: ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/kayabaNerve-finality-layer-book.html

<xmr2cex:unredacted.org> @xmr2cex:unredacted.org: Surely coming at a good time, since many are looking at the price go down and aren't happy

<xmr2cex:unredacted.org> Or have fear of some sort

<xmr2cex:unredacted.org> But it's inevitable, NGU and then go down. Usual roller-coaster we are used to. Crypto bros just love to the see the green candle and cry when it's all red...

why are you entertaining qubic's fake hashrate

it's an API, they can report whatever hashrate they want

hell they could even report 100 GH/s

qubic has only gotten 7% of the last 1000 blocks

<intr:unredacted.org> what's the tl;dr on a "finality layer" anyway?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> prevents reorgs

<intr:unredacted.org> yes, but how

<intr:unredacted.org> if that's possible in a tl;dr fashion

<yokoama:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: we are waiting for the book

<intr:unredacted.org> yeah, but I figured that's for the finer details and cryptography

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @intr:unredacted.org: By using POS

<intr:unredacted.org> thanks

<intr:unredacted.org> but no thanks

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The book isnt jusy about the POS finality layer, but comparing different ways to have finality or increase security

<intr:unredacted.org> ahh I see

<intr:unredacted.org> I'm not against the idea itself but POS isn't something I'd be happy to see introduced in Monero, in any capacity

<yokoama:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: if it only secures chain & you are able to spend received coins/change outout after say 2 block conf ?

<yokoama:matrix.org> pow still creates blocks

<intr:unredacted.org> pow is what should be securing the chain, anything else delves into semantics and it becomes a POS coin with extra steps

true

<yokoama:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: okay, then we should move to 15min conf like bitcoin and have actual asics mining & not allow random hardware to be used to mine/attack xmr

<intr:unredacted.org> no thanks, easier for a gov't to take control of

<intr:unredacted.org> as happened to bitcoin

<yokoama:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: fcmp++ fails with 2block reorg

<intr:unredacted.org> that's why the 10 block lock stays, no?

<intr:unredacted.org> not that I'm happy with it

<yokoama:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: every tx sent will get invalidated if there is 10+ block reorg

<intr:unredacted.org> I just don't see PoS or asics as a solution

<yokoama:matrix.org> easy to attack xmr

<yokoama:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: you can see, you dont want to see

<intr:unredacted.org> 🥱 I think it's better to wait for the book than these non arguments

<yokoama:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: yah we should increase it to 60 block reorg & just wait for attacker to breach it

<intr:unredacted.org> thank you for the example of a non argument

<yokoama:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: you can try hide from pos, but its best way to secure the chain by stake holders

<intr:unredacted.org> one example was enough, but thanks

okay then here's a question yokoama

who's going to get the newly-minted coins?

the CPU mining was designed to egalitarian

was designed to be*

<yokoama:matrix.org> Cindy: smal part to pos, rest pow

PoS just guarantees a stable source of new coins to the richest people of XMR

<yokoama:matrix.org> Cindy: yah there is massive emission

<yokoama:matrix.org> /s

0.6 XMR per block is a lot

<yokoama:matrix.org> Cindy: you are not paying 0.6 to pos

and guess what, in a fully PoS system, the richest would get 90% of that

really?

<yokoama:matrix.org> Cindy: who is proposing full POS ?

<yokoama:matrix.org> read the room "finality layer"

i saw " you can try hide from pos, but its best way to secure the chain by stake holders"

<yokoama:matrix.org> Cindy: It is best way to secure the chain

how much of a slice does the PoS layer get

<yokoama:matrix.org> Cindy: i dont decide, but 10-20% of emission would be more than enough

that sounds good

10%

it shouldnt be more than that to preserve the egalitarianism of CPU mining

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> realistically even with PoW resources will get kinda centralized even with cpu imo , if monero ever got big enough ppl close to the electricity companies and chip making companies (and with resource for land), would be in a much better position to make money

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> in fact in that regard, you might be better off with PoS bc at least its proportional to your stake

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> unless I am misunderstanding something

there is a cost to PoW though

maintainence, energy costs (even if you had a deal, its not 100% free)

you need to get close to the CPU companies, not chip making companies

even with that, you need the motherboards for those CPUs, and 4 GB+ of RAM

per each board

<yokoama:matrix.org> botnets!

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> sure there is a cost thats right, but those who will make a profit will likely be already wealthy people

it's a question of "how much CPUs and RAMs and shit can you buy before people start to hate you and you'll probably go bankrupt anyway

PoS has little to no cost

you could literally host it on a potato computer running off of solar power

all that matters, in PoS, is how RICH you are

<yokoama:matrix.org> Cindy: yah you acquired monero for free

<intr:unredacted.org> who do you think has the most monero right now

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> if everyone could stake wouldn't it just make your money not devalue over time?

<yokoama:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: miners

<intr:unredacted.org> (gubmint)

the point i'm making is PoW's cost is massive compared to PoS

and it'll only increase exponentially to your hashrate

(unless you host botnets i guess)

PoS in the other hand has no costs

the costs don't even increase proportional to your stake

it remains constant

<yokoama:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: lol, on paper; if they ever try to access it; they are already lost in boating accident

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> I dont understand why rich people wouldnt be able to profit more from PoW vs PoS , where anyone could stake, but potentially it can be difficult for some people to do PoW profitably

<intr:unredacted.org> gubmint hoards bitcoin too

anyone can stake

but they won't get shit

they'll get fractions of fractions of fractions of a penny

<yokoama:matrix.org> acquiring monero has costs attached to it, if you are no coiner then you think its not worth anything > <Cindy> PoS in the other hand has no costs

while the rich get much more than they do

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> but cindy as a % of supply

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> its all the same

<yokoama:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: those cant be spent, as its can be monitored

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> so who cares if the rich get more, they dont in real terms ?

PoS only exclusively benefits rich people

while PoW could potentially

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> inflation adjusted*

<intr:unredacted.org> @yokoama:matrix.org: who gives a shit lmao, it's the government

<intr:unredacted.org> what are you gonna do

<intr:unredacted.org> before you do anything they'll have already taken control over the coin

<intr:unredacted.org> same with asic farms

<yokoama:matrix.org> @quadriocellata:matrix.org: even if they get rich, they are getting rich by securing the chain for everyone

it's either "maybe the rich will profit off of it" or "100% they'll profit off of it"

<yokoama:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: you can live in fear

yokoama: who gets the emissions though

<intr:unredacted.org> I am currently living in laughter

the newly-minted coins

<yokoama:matrix.org> Cindy: 10% pos 90% pow

the poor get barely nothing, while the rich will hoard and HODL XMR

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> please explain to me how the rich actually get richer from pos, if everyone was staking most of their coins, isn't it the case that inflation adjusted everyone remains in the same place ? > <Cindy> it's either "maybe the rich will profit off of it" or "100% they'll profit off of it"

yeah but we're talkling about full PoS now

:P

<yokoama:matrix.org> Cindy: i see the left

<yokoama:matrix.org> how about we burn old mined coins ?

quadriocellata: because staking has a minimum limit anyway

not everyone can stake

just look at ETH, you need to have 32 ETH minimum to stake

<yokoama:matrix.org> Best to start with scratch ?

<yokoama:matrix.org> Cindy: yah XMR currently costs $1000 and you cannot afford it

<yokoama:matrix.org> Serious no coiners are trying to derail securing of chain, proably are from the feds

i'd like PoS to be 10%

or less

<yokoama:matrix.org> Cindy: Nobody is proposing 90% pos

quadriocellata's making me think otherwise :P

for some reason

<yokoama:matrix.org> Okay

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> Cindy: just thinking about it

<yokoama:matrix.org> GN

night yokoama

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> not proposing 100% pos

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> gn

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> just curious as monero will get larger , why power wouldnt centralize and PoW would actually become more profitable for rich guys than poor

<ommanipadmehumom:matrix.org> Guys how does qubic hash such high hashrate?

because PoW has more associated costs with it than PoS

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> qubic hashrate is fake

ommanipadmehumom: fake API

<yokoama:matrix.org> @ommanipadmehumom:matrix.org: Fake api data

in reality, they've only mined 7% of the last 1000 blocks

they don't actually have that much hashrate

<ommanipadmehumom:matrix.org> But that's because of selfish mining they are not constantly publishing blocks right? And in reality they've done 6 blocks reorg, is true?

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> but imagine if monero got massive, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume most mining operations would just move to where electricity is cheapest, probably in just a few big companies > <Cindy> because PoW has more associated costs with it than PoS

they're not doing selfish mining anymore

they lost more XMR rewards doing selfish mining than just mining regularly

<ommanipadmehumom:matrix.org> Like I don't mean that the reported hash is true but that they've achieved a 6 block reorg (I haven't confirmed myself) that itself means selfish mining

they have done reorgs before

<intr:unredacted.org> over half a year ago iirc

but that doesn't mean they have a high hashrate now

the API is fake

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> @ommanipadmehumom:matrix.org: wasnt a reorg

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> was it?

how can they have 5.5GH/s hashrate but yet mine very few blocks

<ommanipadmehumom:matrix.org> Cindy: In selfish mining you only publish reorgs basically not reuglar blocks afaik

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> at least from blocks.p2pool.observer , chain hasnt been contested in >500 blocks

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> Cindy: whats your view on that ? > <@quadriocellata:matrix.org> but imagine if monero got massive, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume most mining operations would just move to where electricity is cheapest, probably in just a few big companies

quadriocellata: how would they import the hardware

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> through some logistic network, but they will turn a profit or they won't do it

it'll make electricity more expensive for others

and people will complain

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> correct

just look at the AI datacenters

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> sure people will complain

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> people complain about landlords and the 1% hoarding wealth

so you're gonna lobby the government to ignore it?

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> you think the government acts in the peoples best interest? and will reduce electricity costs and stop big players mining crypto ?

i'm being optimistic :P

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> from what we see its all corrupt the higher up you get..

<intr:unredacted.org> in any model

but it's a much likely outcome than someone complaining about a 20 dollar potato computer staking the blockchain

i mean outcome of rich people taking over the blockchain

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> it would be nice if there was a way to have people mine at a loss

<intr:unredacted.org> we're working on that right now, don't worry

stake at a loss?

<intr:unredacted.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/unredacted.org/ngfFcGowlPuntCsCBCVXsZHW.png (clipboard.png)

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> e.g. imagine if a web-browser would use a small % of cpu to secure the network

won't be the case until webassembly adopts the float rounding mode control proposal

that stuff is unfeasible

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> I mean just running inside of any application, a small % of cpu will go to do randomx , something not that noticeable, but summed across many devices offers some network security

yes, that used to be the case when monero was still using cryptonight

nowadays, that's pretty hard to hide, because RandomX uses 2 GB

of RAM

<ltzsh:unredacted.org> hi guys :)

<intr:unredacted.org> hi guy

<321bob321> And people thought getting an ssd was going to be an issue

<321bob321> Now its ram

<albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr> @intr:unredacted.org: What is the (possible) reason for xmr being down so much?

<intr:unredacted.org> I have no earthly idea

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> all tied to btc even monero

don't know and don't care

<intr:unredacted.org> price on haveno.markets is still 440

<albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr> It s 310 usd in the haveno app though

<intr:unredacted.org> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> all you have to ask yourself

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> if btc goes to 0, will that mean noone will use monero anymore ?

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> the answer is no, so just use monero! =D and dont worry too much about the price, though it can be difficult

<intr:unredacted.org> I'm not a big price or moon type of guy but it is a bizarre phenomenon, and I do believe the coin's valuation is important to its health

<intr:unredacted.org> bitcoin's price is of course ridiculous and I don't want monero to touch anywhere near that range, but

<albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr> It is a good time to buy, especially since the paycheck just came in

<intr:unredacted.org> I was just as worried about the pump honestly

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> btw Cindy counter to my argument is that same thing applies to gold (about rich guys having easier profit from it)

<intr:unredacted.org> I don't buy monero tbh

<ommanipadmehumom:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/RGASILElosUtISekQfnTXtaY.png (Monero.png)

<intr:unredacted.org> eanr & spedn

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: both have been a bit extreme ..

i used monero when it was 170 dollars

<ommanipadmehumom:matrix.org> Is such a fast block succession sign of reorgs?

no

0% correlation

<intr:unredacted.org> @quadriocellata:matrix.org: it's unhealthy for a coin imo

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: make stablecoin monero great again

<intr:unredacted.org> slowly rising stablecoin plz

why do people care about the price a lot

<intr:unredacted.org> I just explained..

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> Cindy: cause ppl are in usd/eur/gbp brains not xmr brains

oh

health

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> all depends on your frame of reference

<intr:unredacted.org> it ain't about the GoodBoyPoints or monopoly bills but the purchasing power, if the same ɱ now buys me half a can of coke in the span of 4 days that's not a good thing

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> @ommanipadmehumom:matrix.org: good question. seems like fast blocks

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: exactly, but I think that is the fate as monero will get more popular

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> ppl love to speculate

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> look at gold even recently

<intr:unredacted.org> I want them OUT

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> and gold is 30T mkcap

<intr:unredacted.org> (exaggerating ofc)

<intr:unredacted.org> yeh gold's movement is why I am worried in general atm

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: we cant always have what we want 🤣😉

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: me too

<intr:unredacted.org> we can, but uhhhh

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> @quadriocellata:matrix.org: monero and precious metals have moved fairly in tandem as pressure has increased in the world

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> until now something bad is happening in crypto so monero cant hold itself steady

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: hahaha most of the world are speculators

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> and like NGU

<intr:unredacted.org> we can't expect god to do all the work

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> its natural in some sense , unfortunately

<intr:unredacted.org> for future reference: I am joking

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> well imo ppl turning there back on religion (or at least its framework for living) is causing some of these problems we see now ..

<intr:unredacted.org> I think this is turning a little too offtopic

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> agreed

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> I saw that some of the guys that mine to qbic also have their own p2pool now with a small fee xmrskip2p.jetskipool.ai

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> you know anything about it , or why they would do that ?

<intr:unredacted.org> butthurt?

>0 connected miners

>31KH/s

oooooh i'm so scared

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> just found it weird they choose to do something with p2pool than just their own pool

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> Cindy: their hashrate goes a lot higher than rn

<quadriocellata:matrix.org> I'm not saying we should fear them, just found it interesting their approach

<albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr> Maybe they are mining on p2pool and redistributing the rewards?

<ommanipadmehumom:matrix.org> @ommanipadmehumom:matrix.org: I think this is actually a hint. In blocks.p2pool.observer/pools I see that qubic and monero ocean have mined a block on the same minute. So it is coherent with the selfish mining attack. Still I don't know how to know the length of the reorg.

<ommanipadmehumom:matrix.org> Also if this is not the right place to discuss this let me know where to go I came to matrix specifically cuz I thought it'd be more technical. But the development channel seems not to be the place either.

<masayuki:wired.rehab> No xmr etfs helps a lot. Availability within Kraken (and one other cex iirc) still enables a fair amount of speculation though > <@intr:unredacted.org> I want them OUT

<intr:unredacted.org> indeed

no other CEX*

<intr:unredacted.org> I'm moderately ok with dex speculation

<masayuki:wired.rehab> @ommanipadmehumom:matrix.org: This is best, ontopic xmr discussion

literally the list is getting shorter everyday

there are very few CEXs that support Monero now

<masayuki:wired.rehab> Dev is more for open pull requests and discussion

<masayuki:wired.rehab> Cindy: Are there any other than Kraken?

XMR on kraken barely exists

except in some places

they already delisted XMR for EU, canada, UK + australia + new zealand

(all of this due to regulation)

masayuki "is now a good time to learn c++" in dev was hilarious to see at ath

<intr:unredacted.org> lmao plowsof

<albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr> There used to be kucoin, but they stopped operations in my country

<albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr> So I don’t know if they still list it

kucoin still has montero

Even in Europe?

<just_another_day:matrix.org> Is simply subsidizing mining on "honest" pools (e.g. supportxmr) a way to mitigate Qubic-like attacks? How much would it cost? Can we fundraise it? Would it be that bad for decentralization?

<albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr> Not supportxmr as it already has over 30% of hashrate, but other pools why not

I know someone in euroland who uses them, fully kyced

don't know if they use the euro addy

I assume so

Qubic is not selfish mining nor do they have that hashrate

dkat on their discord also said it is a bug

And the emission and us looking at their internals also points the same

Getting blocks at the same minute is not selfish mining, that is normal operation

DataHoarder being the best diplomat

between Monero and Qubic

I am still banned there and have never spoken there

too good of a diplomamt then

diplomat*

The qubic snooper (which I don't have a handy link for atm) also shows nothing

The blocks explorer uses it as a source. So it would show up any selfish attacks

I can check the logs and get real hashrate stats a bit later

<intr:unredacted.org> comical > <DataHoarder> dkat on their discord also said it is a bug