<milas900:matrix.org> What’s the story of new transparency view keys with carrot address ? Seems not very good for privacy

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @milas900:matrix.org: Do you leave your house keys outside, in the door lock?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> ie : It change nothing if you don't give away your keys

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But it allow system operator to operate better

<ravfx:xmr.mx> It also allow hardware wallet to sync without needing to stay connected and unlocked

<gan:skhron.org> @milas900:matrix.org: view-keys wallets has been a thing for a lot longer, where were all these bots back then?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, normal view keys are there since the beginning afaik

<milas900:matrix.org> Yeah it’s a trap I guess there will be a fork if it’s done

<elongated:matrix.org> @milas900:matrix.org: Nope, these retards couldn’t even get a successful fork when they had bitmain behind them

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Imajin running systems with private spent keys. One hack and money is gone

<gan:skhron.org> furthermore, if le state would love to know how much money you got, a soldering iron up your ass or a wrench would be enough to make you tell, I assume if you're a normal user, do you have a seedphrase written on a piece of paper or it's in a txt file on your computer?

<milas900:matrix.org> Can u explain more about it

<elongated:matrix.org> @milas900:matrix.org: The hot rod? How it can be used ?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> eyes, ass

<ravfx:xmr.mx> theses are the two best options

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But anyway @milas900:matrix.org You can have an online shop, and have only the view keys in there. Cursomers can buy, the system can keep track of they received payments and the balance.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But if an hacker get in, it can't get any monero..

<ravfx:xmr.mx> As for hardware wallet, you have an issue on where each time you receive or send a payment (and receive change), you must have the wallet connected (You can't pay and remove the wallet, because it must be connected and unlocked for when the change get confirmed.), And sync get stuck the moment you receive a payment. The[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/sdeN_uIKQThjRGt2 ]

<milas900:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: But I’m not sure seems things we need it before for peer to peer. Now seems I have audit trail

<ravfx:xmr.mx> People who leak there keys won't endanger the other users

<ravfx:xmr.mx> As they don't provide informations (where the funds come from and where to)

<milas900:matrix.org> There will become two markets 1. Sub population which means and the other who doesn’t .

<milas900:matrix.org> Which reveals and other who don’t

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Just don't reveals.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Use it if needed (like if you operate software that process monero payment, doing that won't leak it to anyone but your software)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> if you get menaced by a soldering iron, then create a new wallet

is this FUD still alive

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, of course

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Still think the fud from that Z people

<gan:skhron.org> > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> But anyway @milas900:matrix.org You can have an online shop, and have only the view keys in there. Cursomers can buy, the system can keep track of they received payments and the balance.

<gan:skhron.org> to be fair, scanning tx_pool/mempool or github.com/vtnerd/monero-lws (still WIP) could be used for a shop, but yeah, that's also a valid usage, in my case, for example I'd like to have a donation progress bar on my project and provide viewkeys to others, obviously that's much easier to do with a view wallet

<gan:skhron.org> welp, mlws is actually built using viewkeys, I forgot

with outgoing view keys, the flaw where a outgoing transaction may inflate your balance is fixed

it would be that if you sent XMR from wallet A to wallet B

and then checked the balance of wallet A (using view key only)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, I do use the viewkey to for donation at xmr.mx

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Progress bar.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But also I do release the view keys so people know I don't cheat the number (change nothing for privacy) and everyone know that i'm not lying by keeping the progress bar the lowest it can 😂

the balance would be the original + the amount

the amount sent*

<gan:skhron.org> @gan:skhron.org: scrap mlws to be honest

without the spend key to check for key images (to deduct the amount sent from the balance)

your balance will become really inflated over time

and inaccurate

<ravfx:xmr.mx> For sure it will be less anoying to use the hardware wallet, finally can just put it away after paying something

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Worst with hardware wallet is when you sink from the seed. If you have like 2-3 years of history or more... You have to keep the ledger awake and unlock (regularly press next and prev button so it does not lock while syncing)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Finally that will be a really nice fix

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Hopefully it will fix the other issue I got while having two wallet open at the same time with two different ledger, receive a payment for the wrong ledger (ie: for the one that is not connected) and endup causing some wallet corruption

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Should also fix that I think

<ravfx:xmr.mx> so many fix 🤟

i should troll people by making a wallet that has 69420 XMR in it

and then giving them the view key to verify it

and then "generously" giving away the spend key after

just for them to see that the 69420 XMR was fake, and there's nothing in the wallet at all

i just kept sending myself 0.2 XMR until it reached that much

would be over 10xmr in fees for the 347k txs it would take and this is assuming that each tx was 0.2 but ofc each tx would decrease in size

it would also take 13 years

Worth it

10 block lock

<ravfx:xmr.mx> do it with 1:15 or something

<ravfx:xmr.mx> in look, with all your balance\

<ravfx:xmr.mx> loop*

<ravfx:xmr.mx> then send your funds back

<ravfx:xmr.mx> rinse and repeat

<ravfx:xmr.mx> will be faster

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Feather might crash if you do that fast enough (I already reported the bug, no idea if it's fixed)