<normie63:matrix.org> x.com/disclosetv/status/2020875244223815801

<normie63:matrix.org> lotsa discord users gunna come to element

I really don't like when Matrix and Element get used interchangeably because it's not like Element is good on desktop anyway))

Matrix network, Element client

Exactly, that's why it makes me cringe.

<normie63:matrix.org> they should have called it matrix client avoiding confusion

Why so? Because then it'd kinda make the impression it's THE Matrix client.

<gan:skhron.org> @normie63:matrix.org: Dumbing down tech gonna leave us with the same shittery in the end

<gan:skhron.org> People actually need to finally grow up and maybe reuse the knowledge gained from using email

they do pretend it's THE matrix client, since it is developed by the same Matrix team IIRC

and alternative clients are 3rd party

<gan:skhron.org> They don't

Yeah, I get it, I still mean it's frustrating that the protocol is referred to as such as well.

<gan:skhron.org> I'd like to see where they do "pretend"

Element isn't even usable on a PC! Last time I tried it, it spiked my CPU. So not only is it Electron, it's performing noticeably worse than the other couple electron apps I have!

<gan:skhron.org> eh, fuck, never mind, you was talking about the unwashed than morg team itself

The creators of Matrix also lead Element.

Matthew and Amandine, and the team around them, are the driving force behind a new era of secure and open communication.

I mean I get it, it just doesn't make the platform "Element"

<gan:skhron.org> I mean, that's element.io and not matrix.org

<gan:skhron.org> Morg itself shows other clients beside Element on a try-out page

<gan:skhron.org> and the article on element.io also mentions the fact that there's other clients too

<zombie:catgirl.cloud> XMR to 1k soon

wtf is this homeserver domain

<gan:skhron.org> which one? catgirl.cloud?

ye

<gan:skhron.org> a normal one? wait until you'd see foxgirl.cloud

I'm afraid to search that. Either way, they seem to be on par in absolute weirdness.

<munching:unredacted.org> @zombie:catgirl.cloud: a fellow girl??

<munching:unredacted.org> let’s be friends

<ufo808:matrix.org> @munching:unredacted.org: There is 0% female participants in this chat

<ret2pop:matrix.nullring.xyz> @ufo808:matrix.org: It's not wise to so bluntly inform them of what they already know deep down

<munching:unredacted.org> @ufo808:matrix.org: then did i grow a dih😔

<munching:unredacted.org> @ret2pop:matrix.nullring.xyz: MAN

<munching:unredacted.org> i don’t have a benis

<gan:skhron.org> Mates, this is the main room, perhaps such discussion is more related to offtopic 🧌

<munching:unredacted.org> you’re correct, i apologize

<munching:unredacted.org> i let my excitement get the best of me

Also it's sad to see sexists here

<munching:unredacted.org> who is sexist?

"<ufo808:matrix.org> @munching:unredacted.org: There is 0% female participants in this chat"

<munching:unredacted.org> well, it is a male dominated field. i don’t think you’re supposed to take it in a harsh way

<munching:unredacted.org> that’s why i was like YAY a girl

<munching:unredacted.org> i’m sure they know girls are very competent and smart too

<munching:unredacted.org> and also let’s not use this chat to chitchat

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> BlueyHea-: Is there a better client on desktop ?

Nheko or Cinny seemed better in my experience.

munching, I get it, but mockery is kinda gross still

<monerobull:matrix.org> so whats the verdict on vibecoding

<monerobull:matrix.org> do we want people to use vibecoded escrow systems where the dev even writes his reddit comments with chatgpt?

yes

we need entertainment, and news poscasters need to eat

<intr:unredacted.org> @monerobull:matrix.org: mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/unredacted.org/RTxpiqGIgiVnyOLVIPIlHkbO.png (clipboard.png)

<intr:unredacted.org> bad news

<intr:unredacted.org> thus spake Grok

<monerobull:matrix.org> imagine using reasoning mode to get a one word answer

<intr:unredacted.org> :^)

<intr:unredacted.org> it makes the AI even more AI

<monerobull:matrix.org> one day ill build an ai rack

<monerobull:matrix.org> and ill unleash a thousand agents onto the web

<monerobull:matrix.org> and they will run 24/7 with no limits to their output

<intr:unredacted.org> and their verdict will be: cringe

<gan:skhron.org> @intr:unredacted.org: We know trash, we know clean don't last, never last when we load trash, we upload trash, trash begets trash

<gan:skhron.org> 🧌

<intr:unredacted.org> @gork is this true

<ret2pop:matrix.nullring.xyz> why does this chat always devolve into brainrot despite attempts to self moderate

<intr:unredacted.org> lmao

does the Element client support voice chats in Matrix?

also one super common discord use cases seems to be the easy game streams. that will be hard to replace

or even watching a movie someone streams

Yeah, game streams I still don't know. I'd prefer Mumble for voice anyway, but not figured out shared streams.

mumble still has the same issue when someone insists on using microphone, voice activaction and speakers (yeah these guys exist...) - in discord it kinda works (not perfectly, but much better)

that is why I myself initially moved to discord from mumble over a decade ago, and it still holds.

Oh yeah, that echo!

I still don't know how to get rid of the echo when not using headphones.

it's logically a super hard task, discord just does some magic tricks there

but that magic can't be worth this

Jellyfin works fine for sharing videos, I have my own server and a Mattermost server for chatting, though everyone uses discord for now it's just for my own family at this point basically

but I noticed the chatbot I wrote for Mattermost could be trivially generalised to work in discord as well in a single day when I finally tried

they are really similar in that sense

Teams=Servers, Channels=Channels, Threads=Threads but in discord they have some small quirks compared to mattermost

Ah, Jellyfin works for simultaneous viewing? Nice.

yes it has the group view feature

tested and it keeps us within 1-2s

Does it only work for prerecorded videos you play, or you can stream gameplay too?

no for gameplay you need something else then

ah

doesn't steam have some broadcasting feature? nobody uses it

gabe should just corner the market here :D

Would that work for non-Steam games, though? Also yeah never seen it used

you can add non-steam games to steam

even some pirated games apparently work that way in steam, though I didnt have the courage to try with my ~200 game account if europa univeralsis v cracked version really would work in steam playing multiplayer as the NFO claims ...

For pirated games - yeah, I know, that's sometimes the easiest way to make them work on Linux. I guess the same goes for GOG games, but wonder about games from other launchers.

<gan:skhron.org> offtopic, but there exist foss "pirate" launchers for linux, that's just one-click stuff for the most part

<nyxes:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: 😭

<nyxes:matrix.org> with the age verification coming next month, im off that shit lol > <Bunnyh> also one super common discord use cases seems to be the easy game streams. that will be hard to replace

<nyxes:matrix.org> went from a gaming thing to a social net to a tracking system. saddest shit ever

<nyxes:matrix.org> another platform will pop up and be just as useful. just gotta give it time

Most importantly, it also went to a knowledge base and support center!

<nyxes:matrix.org> things r about to get nuts w mass surveillance here and them wanting to now map everything to our strawmen so nobody can use repudiation in court while they exclude themselves which just pushes way more corruption in the branches

<nyxes:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: yea.. idk whos making the choices up top but they're dumb af

I've come across that with mods! The support on a particular issue was not on the NexusMods page, but in the modding Discord :/

<nyxes:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: lol ew

<nyxes:matrix.org> trust me, something better is coming bc ppl who gaf about their privacy are not about to have that

<nyxes:matrix.org> im all for normalizing IRC chats and forums again😭

<gan:skhron.org> Allo, Discord was literally created by a spyware company > <@nyxes:matrix.org> went from a gaming thing to a social net to a tracking system. saddest shit ever

<gan:skhron.org> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenFeint they just returned to what they've started with

<intr:unredacted.org> "The Discord of Discord" is a fantastic writeup on the shady nature & history around discord

<intr:unredacted.org> shystudios.us/blog/discord/discord.html

<intr:unredacted.org> youtube.com/watch?v=7nTU6Jh5qbI

<intr:unredacted.org> oh no, his blog is gone

<gan:skhron.org> @intr:unredacted.org: no-HTTPs in 2026 🥀

<intr:unredacted.org> indeed, very minimal website it was

<intr:unredacted.org> web.archive.org/web/20260104185952/…tudios.us/blog/discord/discord.html

nyxes, to be fair, I don't want IRC to be support either. It needs to be forums so that the question isn't repeated over and over.

<intr:unredacted.org> 100%

I also find this interesting how systems like that go from "lowest friction" to "high friction" at a flip of a switch. Like Signal - one second it's the easiest to onboard people from Whatsapp and Telegram. Then the crrier blocks the SMS and now, having to rent a number and bother to keep the account in this scenario... Matrix doesn't sound as unappealing anymore.

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> discord was always plaintext mass surveillance tool > <@nyxes:matrix.org> things r about to get nuts w mass surveillance here and them wanting to now map everything to our strawmen so nobody can use repudiation in court while they exclude themselves which just pushes way more corruption in the branches

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: which carrier, never had this

All of them, that was a global order. Although not heard as much about Signal (just seen a few messages on their forums), the much bigger news was this happening with Telegram and Whatsapp, so Signal being a victim too would be logical.

<ripening:unredacted.org> is there a normal GUI for working with JoinMarket? Is there any liquidity there now?

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: this does not pass a basic reasoning check, it would have been newsworthy if new registrations on these apps were blocked globally, and there's no news on this

He meant mobile carriers in Russia

Yeah, it is a local event. But it has happened, and, to my knowledge, in more than one place (iirc Iran was a precedent before).

Point was how fragile the "simplicity" is.

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> then why did you say "all of them, that was a global order" 😩 very misleading

Fair, could have worded more exactly.

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> it's a little funny that in a different blog this guy is hating on to r and in the meantime his own website doesn't have https > <@intr:unredacted.org> shystudios.us/blog/discord/discord.html

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> credibility very low

<intr:unredacted.org> oh, you value security? name all securities

John Security

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> skill issue

<blubberblubsa:unredacted.org> Wanna buy some more Moneros. Been a while since last time, back before Kraken went soy. Where do you people buy XMR?

<0x0ki:matrix.org> @blubberblubsa:unredacted.org: i just buy any crypto on localcoinswap and then exchange to monero

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> To bring this back on topic: guess what alternative currency thrives in such scenario ? > <@nyxes:matrix.org> things r about to get nuts w mass surveillance here and them wanting to now map everything to our strawmen so nobody can use repudiation in court while they exclude themselves which just pushes way more corruption in the branches

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Re: discord alternatives. I've looked hard on this issue for years, and the closest alternative currently is TeamSpeak6, which is sort of there but still has a way to go.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Then followed by Matrix.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> I think Slack can also work but has worse streaming feature (?)

<blubberblubsa:unredacted.org> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: Zcash?

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @0x0ki:matrix.org: This websites looks as sketchy as OpenMonero..

<nyxes:matrix.org> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: slack is definitely a no go 🤣

<nyxes:matrix.org> @blubberblubsa:unredacted.org: cake wallet or monero wallet itself

<nyxes:matrix.org> in terms of how you load up or should acquire some is based off your threat model

<nyxes:matrix.org> @munching:unredacted.org: not sure why the room was bugging. try again

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> I'd prefer open source alternatives as well. > <@nyxes:matrix.org> slack is definitely a no go 🤣

<nyxes:matrix.org> well, you're on one rn, thats for certain

<nyxes:matrix.org> i just know a lot of normies arent going to vibe with this stuff

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Not really the discord replacement last time I tested it.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Voice chat and screen sharing are inadequate.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Also I don't necessarily like Matrix either, but it's admittedly the next best thing for communities.

<nyxes:matrix.org> yep, we're awaiting the next best thing

<nyxes:matrix.org> cake wallet > <@pyratevevo:matrix.org> This websites looks as sketchy as OpenMonero..

<nyxes:matrix.org> @nyxes:matrix.org: hope ur running linux or GOS

<nyxes:matrix.org> @blubberblubsa:unredacted.org: but yeah like i said, how you trade ur fiat is based on ur threat model

<nyxes:matrix.org> @nyxes:matrix.org: u could have a friend who has cash app send u btc in exchange for usd

<blubberblubsa:unredacted.org> I don't care too much about the threat level here. It's tax free after a few years anyway, so convenient fiat-to-XMR would be the main priority. > <@nyxes:matrix.org> cake wallet or monero wallet itself

hmmm, the next big thing :)

<blubberblubsa:unredacted.org> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: SimpleX is pretty good, and more private.

<blubberblubsa:unredacted.org> @nyxes:matrix.org: I have BTC, but fiat services like Cake Wallet seem to charge quite high fees. Besides, I'd prefer direcely from fiat, else I'll have to purchase BTC every time I buy XMR... somewhat of a hassle.

Cake uses swap services and adds a fee on top of the swap service fee

you can use a swap service directly

there are swap aggregators so you can compare rates

<blubberblubsa:unredacted.org> Were they ever able to make atomic swap work?

there ar e atomic swaps as well

<blubberblubsa:unredacted.org> Any links to a great atomic swap guide?

probably easy to get dirty btc more than monero :)

don't know of a guide off hand

I think the 2 are unstoppable swap and basic swapdex

each has certain limitations

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: the matrix ux is terrible, it takes 20 seconds just to load historical messages when i open a room

<blubberblubsa:unredacted.org> AS also wouldn't be useful for fiat-to-XMR anyway.

for fiat to xmr there is the haveno protocol on retpswap

I have not used any of these

<blubberblubsa:unredacted.org> nioc: I'll look into that, thanks.

blubberblubsa there is a haveno irc and matrix channel

they also have simpleX

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @blubberblubsa:unredacted.org: you don't really need a guide

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> actually, that depends if youre acting as a maker or taker

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> SimpleX is an instant messenger, not a collaboration/teams service. > <@blubberblubsa:unredacted.org> SimpleX is pretty good, and more private.

<onlydrako:matrix.org> sup