<kiersten5821:matrix.org> geonic: really?

yep

sech1: monero_wallet: uri is not for making txs, but restoration

that scheme probably needs a revamp for new carrot as well

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> geonic: do you have a source

kiersten5821: archive.ph/20260213070848/https://w…o-xmr-rises-stumping-crime-fighters

"[...] said Justin Ehrenhofer, who in 2023 set up a firm to investigate Monero transactions that was subsequently bought by his current employer, NAXO."

funnily, monero: url scheme works in href links

but not monero_wallet

monero-wallet would

I added `monero_wallet:` to entries under blocks.p2pool.observer/proofs

making them monero-wallet works, otherwise it assumes it's a relative link!

`scheme = ALPHA *( ALPHA / DIGIT / "+" / "-" / "." )`

*scheme = ALPHA *( ALPHA / DIGIT / "+" / "-" / "." )

basically according to RFC 3986 monero_wallet is not a valid scheme. _ is not in the allowed list (it can be included after)

see rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3986#section-3.1

as it is is unusable in applications (like browsers) that follow RFC 3986

thanks DataHoarder this is the exact esoteric uri knowledge i've been waiting for

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> geonic: thanks, that's really important to know idk why anyone would use a wallet from a surveillance firm

you're welcome. no one would, if they knew who the guy behind it is. hopefully sgp discloses this information in future marketing messages

I mean, to be fair, the software is open source and forces you to run your own backend

would be pretty obvious if it was phoning home also I guess

it'd maybe work on QR codes, but it should use RFC 3986 there too (os might not allow to register handlers for not valid schemes)

I can't even find where monero_wallet url scheme would get defined to get handled by OS

sure, but it would be less obvious if it was harming network anonymity in other ways. would you use an open-source monero wallet made by chainalysis?

the monero-gui has not implemented importing via monero_wallet links yet so this is uncharted territory?

if it sucked less mebbe :P

but it would still be useful to know it's by chainalysis right :)

cake wallet could be funded by CIA

why would you expect to know?

tbh maybe it's better if it's known at all right?

wait are you justifying a confirmed fact with a hypothetical

monero itself could be a NSA honeypot

<ufo808:matrix.org> chances are low, but never zero

right. so let's ignore facts because life is fleeting and at the end of the day nothing matters ...

<ufo808:matrix.org> Linkin Park - In The End 🎵

Cat brings meaning to life, the tao of Cat

btw Cat's wallet of choice is the CLI

mnemonic can be encoded as raw bytes yes

and that is vastly smaller

even after doing base64 on it

hex is bigger than base64, yet still smaller than the mnemonic string

plowsof: mnemonic AS hex

the mnemonic denotes a byte string value

with a checksum as well

I just don't really get what you're complaining about, it's not like he hides his identity or where he has worked, and if there was something nefarious about then...wouldn't he just publish under a nym?

also am a cli wallet enjoyoor

but I did test skylight beta

not always Cindy_

there is "secret key" too :P

sometimes there's a step from mnemonic raw bytes -> seed key

then another step from seed to spend

Cindy_: seed is not spend key always

if you look at base mnemonic yes Cindy_, but other stuff like polyseed or whatnot is different

also carrot :P

example -> border gutter unlikely coexist tsunami muddy portents pioneer arrow inflamed upper altitude loudly afraid luggage ounce against mowing spout egotistic trolling aggravate pivot pumpkins altitude encodes to fedd3d8a5918d4ac0307d9679fae0321209a347d2055a486d3c239a21f72ee05 under cryptonote

fedd3d8a5918d4ac0307d9679fae0321209a347d2055a486d3c239a21f72ee05 is also the spend key

so Cindy_ is asking that instead of passing border gutter unlikely coexist tsunami muddy portents pioneer arrow inflamed upper altitude loudly afraid luggage ounce against mowing spout egotistic trolling aggravate pivot pumpkins altitude on URL you pass fedd3d8a5918d4ac0307d9679fae0321209a347d2055a486d3c239a21f72ee05

you can go backwards in that step

(it's 1:1 encoding)

in case of mnemonic

polyseed differs a bit, but you could also just encode raw bytes

in total it's 150 bits for secret + 15 bits of feature/birthday

the 11 bits of checksum are not needed in hex encoding

from this the secret seed is derived, which is what starts the wallet construction process Cindy_

see github.com/tevador/polyseed

in case there's just mnemonic and standard legacy wallet, you could just send spend key

in some original wallets spend/view key were determined at random separately Cindy_. so you need to send both

then the derivation of the mnemonic/secret is different depending on wallet implementation ( 👀 MyMonero)

<sgp_> Maybe a stupid question, but does the smaller size matter from a practical point of view?

jw_: my only complaint is about the lack of disclosure. like for example when you respond here without noting that you’re a board member of the entity that develops the wallet in question. someone could confuse you for a disinterested observer

if he’s not ashamed of working for blockchain surveillance, disclose it. it’s simple. Perhaps an agenda item for your next board meeting

also did justin pm you instead of responding to me directly? lol

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> geonic: is this entire chat surveillance firm employees

<vikrants> Huh? Are u ok? > <jw_> cake wallet could be funded by CIA

kiersten5821: apparently

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> how did you find out jw was on the board?

it’s on their website, but you would need to know his name since his handle isn’t listed there

<omurad:matrix.org> “We help law enforcement agencies … This includes in-depth analysis of blockchain transactions and infrastructure, advanced tracing of Monero and other privacy coins …”

<omurad:matrix.org> naxo.com/for-law-enforcement

<omurad:matrix.org> share sauce plz

pls download our wallet

Hello everybody

<ravfx:xmr.mx> One day I will make a windows only wallet just for fun

<ravfx:xmr.mx> It will be lighter than feather

<ravfx:xmr.mx> (feather is great, I have nothing agains feather, but feather target all platform and so have to include extra fat for it to work, with is not required when you target an OS with a stable ABI)

I know someone that is still running windows 7

will it work on that?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> me too,

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yes, I can make it work on windows7+, just have to target windows 7 and it till work on that one and all the others after that. Assmuming I can compile all requuired the monero libs on that platform.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Windows come with GUI and network shit that are forward compatible with all version of windows made after, but it's not the case with extra libraries that don't come with the OS, that would require extra time to test and validate, assuming it can compile with a compiler that can target windows 7.. Else it would need to be patched to be compatible

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I am pretty sure Tobtoht actually wanted to take that road first, for the windows version, but then opted to only use QT (time is valuable)

<rbrunner7> Well, I would be very curious what technology you would choose, @ravfx:xmr.mx , with a Windows-only Monero wallet, for building the GUI. I am a Windows guy, and as far as I know, the many options for building GUIs for a Windows program all have their problems in one way or another. IMHO it's a very good example for a search for "least bad".

<jueyy:matrix.org> Best place to buy monero anon?

<cigdan:gibstutz.chat> Probably Retoswap, depending where you live.

geonic, I'm not that interested, and no I just happened to join irc after a long break

<hooftly:matrix.org> So you dont comment in how long and then when the product of the board you sit on is questioned you magically just happened to rejoin, comment on SGP and thats it?

<hooftly:matrix.org> Seems legit...

:D

yes

but like I said I'm not that interested anyway so won't bother commenting again

<hooftly:matrix.org> Everyone sees through that but k

it was really random and I just chimed in more to say hi to george than to start an argument but k

Who's George?

who's BlueyHealer ?

I mean, who in their right mind would use a wallet that's call literally Skynet wallet?

*called

good q

<hooftly:matrix.org> Why even build it Im curious what was the motivation?

I think main motivation was to fill a gap in wallet ecosystem - there was no GUI open source lightwallet client, was there?

mymonero was open source I guess but I'm not sure latest source was available and they died

which left edge wallet which is closed source, right?

<hooftly:matrix.org> Seems reasonable. So you have seen meaningful download numbers since such a gap obviously existed?

I haven't looked at download numbers

like I said I'm not that interested

but I would guess not since it forces you to run your own node, and most people are lazy and would never do such a thing :P

<hooftly:matrix.org> You mean a remote node that anyone can prop up and serve to any user? What enforces your "own" node?

nothing at all, but do you know any remote lightwallet node as a server services?

so at this moment in time it requires you to run your own node afaik

To be fair, it's not necessarily about "being lazy" - a node requires a whole lot of storage. I wouldn't want to buy an extra SSD for this even before, and now, with the prices...

true, but I stand my characterization of most people being lazy :P

*stand by

<vikrants> All this talk of wallets, at cake, i want to focus on and fix our desktop wallets from Q2 and onwards this year. After this new mobile UI release with lightning

<vikrants> Just giving u guys some insight into the roadmap for cake for 2026

<randomnym:matrix.mynymbox.io> @vikrants: A desktop wallet would be really good

While continuing to squat.

<vikrants> @randomnym:matrix.mynymbox.io: We have desktop wallets now for both cake and monerodotcom, but we just haven't given them enough love

<randomnym:matrix.mynymbox.io> @vikrants: Tried the Cake Wallet on desktop but the whole flow isn't really enjoyable tbh

<vikrants> @randomnym:matrix.mynymbox.io: exactly. Want to overhaul that completely.

<randomnym:matrix.mynymbox.io> @vikrants: Fantastic

<intr:unredacted.org> is it going to be in electron or a similar web based framework?

<obviousreal:matrix.org> hello, are there protocols and system setup i should follow for being here?

are you an ai agent?

<myqtips:matrix.org> No

<vikrants> @intr:unredacted.org: Right now its Flutter. Will stay Flutter or maybe we go native for each platform. Still discussing internally.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @vikrants: Big fan of Monerodotcom. Can you please also give a little love to degoogled phone users and update either the F-Droid repo or Accrescent, so that we may get automatic updates instead of manually visiting github ?

<intr:unredacted.org> @vikrants: something like Qt would be nice to see, but I understand it's a lot of work to build and maintain

<vikrants> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: Thanks. you can add our repo to Fdroid and get monerodotcom I believe.

<vikrants> @intr:unredacted.org: Beyond my tech knowledge

<intr:unredacted.org> Telegram desktop is a nice example of a native, snappy, but still modern looking desktop app

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> It's 8 months out of date.

<intr:unredacted.org> it's Qt

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/OBBfjdrjLBeKDdTPIzOnOzuR.png (14075.png)

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @vikrants: .

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: Never occurred to me it's Qt, impressive.

<intr:unredacted.org> the thing is that for end users to be running a separate web browser (electron) for every desktop app is not a very nice or snappy experience but developers seem to love it

<intr:unredacted.org> for matrix I use Nheko for the sheer fact that it's not fucking electron lmao, even if the experience is lacking in a couple ways

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Would've thought Telegram is Electron as well. This is proof you can make your app look like the modern crap without the bloat.

<intr:unredacted.org> I believe monero GUI is Qt as well?

<intr:unredacted.org> it is indeed

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Wouldn't know, don't have a desktop wallet application.

<intr:unredacted.org> wild

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> why is my node blocking random ips

how many does it block?

if it starts to block everyone it's often a database issue

otherwise it depends

How come the URI spec is on the wiki but not the docs site?

jpk68: github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/docs/URI_SCHEME.md is the correct document

the wiki should have been disabled not sure why it's not

Thanks

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> once every few minutes > <selsta> how many does it block?

mainnet or testnet? also does it still sync?

<ofrnxmr> Kiersten doesnt use banlists, so it could very well just be connecting to trash

<ofrnxmr> Id like to see the output of bans

need search engines to catch up as github.com/monero-project/monero/wiki/URI-Formatting is the top result still (which now redirects to the repo)

it may block them due to misbehavior or wrong data