<omurad:matrix.org> That's a reasonable take > <geonic> tusko: pastebin.com/vhSFihyg

<omurad:matrix.org> Has sgp ever chimed in on why he works on both sides?

<321bob321> Hedging bets

my take is that he's a bootlicker at heart. I'm not even sure what he likes about monero. he's been trying to subdue it as long as he's been around.

What are you talking about again?

<321bob321> Pentesting

And what person/statement?

<321bob321> Whinging about sgp

<ofrnxmr> No > <@snjya:matrix.org> My seeds are 24 words, is there a converter to the 16 words that skylight is using?

<ofrnxmr> Skylight supports 25 word seeds as well as 16

<yokoama:matrix.org> bcoz he gets paid ? > <@omurad:matrix.org> Has sgp ever chimed in on why he works on both sides?

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> @ofrnxmr: Cake Wallet has a seed converter tool last I checked that can at least extract a 25 word seed from a 16 word

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> can't remember if it does the opposite at the moment but Cake Wallet might be helpful

<ofrnxmr> @jbabb:cypherstack.com: Yes

<ofrnxmr> Its a one way operation

<ofrnxmr> You cant get a 16 from a 25

yokoama: he got paid at Cake too and he wasn’t spying on people. he literally quit that job to follow his calling and found a surveillance firm

bootlicker bonfirmed

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> @ofrnxmr: had to check if that's can't currently or can't ever. 25-word seeds have 256 bits and polyseeds have 128 so you really can't go from 16 to 25

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> we need one final standard to rule them all: 28 words. give me my birthday everywhere and some extra version bits holes on the belt for expansion

<ofrnxmr> @jbabb:cypherstack.com: From 25 to 16**

<ofrnxmr> You can go from 16 -> 25

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> err, right. 16->25 but not 25->16

<ofrnxmr> I think its also an issue with the way polyseeds are constructed

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> was just referring to github.com/tevador/polyseed

<ofrnxmr> They arent simply a representation of the private keys, they have a bunch of other data in them that cant be reproduced

<tempetassum:matrix.org> tusko: That’s too open to vagueness and interpretation

<tempetassum:matrix.org> Ultimately, it’s about money. Once distilled down to this single concept, it makes sense where he stands, why he does what he does, and where he’s going in the future.

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> how many extra words on 25 would be enough for a birthday and some extra version bits for future upgrades? hmm...

<rbrunner7> If people like him could stop to eat and live under a bridge, we wouldn't have these problems.

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> and should we store an epoch time birthday or a straight block height birthday?

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> I didn't keep up with that conversation as to why polyseed chose seconds vs blocks for the birthday param

<rbrunner7> @ofrnxmr:monero.social: Any other data in a Polyseed isn't the main problem. Fact is that there roughly are 2^128 private keys that the legacy seeds can produce, but are mathematically impossible to produce using a Polyseed.

<rbrunner7> Well, maybe it's not so dire: "150 bits for the secret seed" So we only have around 2^106 private keys out of reach of Polyseed :)

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> I really love the usability of polyseeds, I just wish we had a birthday tacked onto the end of the classic 25-word keys

<rbrunner7> Well, only 16 words are certainly nice

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> I don't even care so much about their length so much as not having to store the restore blockheight separately

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> I'd gladly add a few words to keep my restore height and some extra params packaged together nicely

<ofrnxmr> @rbrunner7: Not the main problem, but also not the only problem afaik (like version, birthday, etc)

<ofrnxmr> Encrypted bit

<ofrnxmr> @jbabb:cypherstack.com: Right? Its not like im remembering the seed

<ofrnxmr> ive never written a seed on paper. i dont even own a pen or paper ..

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> i just let google photos take care of my seed screenshots

<ofrnxmr> If i did, it would would be the only oiece of paper in my house, and woukd have a seed on it

<rbrunner7> xmrchain.com is down for me

<ofrnxmr> Same

gingeropolous: ^

people used to memorize books and you people think memorizing 25 words is a difficult feat

true but most of us were born in the past century

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> nioc: that's what i'm saying, gimme 28 words, coach

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> I'm ready

\o/

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> the security of the future will require 150 word seeds and 4mb addresses

150 words is 6 current seeds

seems doable

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> only a fed would resist scaling our seed and address sizes

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> 20 hop dandelion++++++++++++++++++++ coming soon

<shortwavesurfer2009> From acx (Monfluo dev) on SimpleX:

<shortwavesurfer2009> Hey folks, I have two announcements.

<shortwavesurfer2009> The first is about the Android OS lockdown.[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/5LSb0OoKLXg3YjNr ]

<sgp_> "As far as I am aware, Monfluo will probably be the first wallet using monero-oxide"

<sgp_> smirk.cash; github.com/Such-Software/smirk-exte…on?tab=readme-ov-file#monerowownero

<321bob321> There is an open letter projects are signing

<321bob321> Saw it on techlore

<omurad:matrix.org> What's the best setup for TLS-enabled monerod service that's accessible from both clearnet and Tor?

<omurad:matrix.org> Let's encrypt doesn't support .onion certs and ideally I'd like to avoid setting up a reverse proxy

<ufo808:matrix.org> tor is already encrypted, no need for let's encrypt tls cert

<ufo808:matrix.org> you want your clearnet to be on https:// ?

<omurad:matrix.org> Yes

<omurad:matrix.org> @ufo808:matrix.org: Won't be encrypted past exit node

<omurad:matrix.org> Nvm no exit node since it's a hidden service

<fijxu:nadeko.net> then setup TLS for the RPC in monero done

<fijxu:nadeko.net> and do a hidden service on the port monero is listening on

<fijxu:nadeko.net> it doesn't need to be different ports as monero supports the same port for http and https traffic

<fijxu:nadeko.net> so tor users will use http traffic and clearnet users will use https traffic if they decide to use https of course

<omurad:matrix.org> @fijxu:nadeko.net: Does it? http:// returns The connection was reset

<omurad:matrix.org> It seems it's one or the other, not both

<fijxu:nadeko.net> @omurad:matrix.org: missconfiguration then

<ufo808:matrix.org> what is the benefit of running monerod with TLS?

<fijxu:nadeko.net> @fijxu:nadeko.net: mrelay.p2pool.observer/p/zMP_0-oKSEpWbV9x/1.txt (code snippet, 8 lines)

<fijxu:nadeko.net> that is my rpc config

<omurad:matrix.org> @ufo808:matrix.org: MITM

<ofrnxmr> @fijxu:nadeko.net: this ^

<omurad:matrix.org> Thanks. enabled -> autodetect fixed it

<fijxu:nadeko.net> cool, enjoy

<ofrnxmr> though, i'd usually recommend

<ofrnxmr> Instead of:

<ofrnxmr> [... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/i9mK1OoKVU5vb2h2 ]

<ofrnxmr> @omurad:matrix.org: Autodetect is default fwiw

<ofrnxmr> enabled = disallow plain text

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