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As darkfi does not yet have real life usage (and may never have after Amir Takii turned out to be a mossad asset via Epstein-files), the next best thing is monero (XMR), which you can buy/sell/trade on a DEX , P2P, nokyc, multisig escrow, very low fees, very low minimums: dawnswap.com

PS: a new version has been released (1.6.0) with bug fixes

<reaster:matrix.reaster.dev> hi, i've made some (quite pretty) webpages about different subjects on monero, if you ever want to scratch the itch on some subjects that you don't know that much about

<reaster:matrix.reaster.dev> reaster.dev/projects/monero

<reaster:matrix.reaster.dev> for example the principal one reaster.dev/projects/monero/monero_overview

<snowflake:unredacted.org> hello everyone!

<snowflake:unredacted.org> i'd like to use a virtual phone number for social media accounts verification to make telegram, whatsapp, instagram & other anonymously,

<snowflake:unredacted.org> also i've been looking in kycnot.me & it's kinda overwhelming and worried that SMS services might not work for social media account creation because it might be a used phone number thats rate limited or blocked for account creation

<snowflake:unredacted.org> anybody got experience with those sms services?

monerica.com lists some

hello

<aillia:matrix.org> @snowflake:unredacted.org: I've used SMSPool many times: it works and is pretty transparent about its success rates.

i used one time sms numbers, worked well

depends if you need that number to reset, restore, etc your account

<pawism:frei.chat> Mon@aillia:matrix.org I'm AnonChan I forgot my pgp key for messaging again and generated a new one which I enter now and logged out and back in but I still can't decrypt new messgaes

<aillia:matrix.org> Do you want be to break encryption?

<ivan8or:fireship.rip> that would be very cash money of you

<pawism:frei.chat> No I didn't mean that

<pawism:frei.chat> I mean why aren't the new messages decrypting?

<pawism:frei.chat> It's my fault I keep forgetting to write this stuff down I know but I generated the new key and new messages aren't decrypting with the new pgp key it should just be affecting the old messages...

<pawism:frei.chat> @aillia:matrix.org

<aillia:matrix.org> Did you upload it here xmrbazaar.com/messenger-nojs?

<tempetassum:matrix.org> Ok. Who’s selling??

<pawism:frei.chat> @aillia:matrix.org: This whole PGP stuff is honestly very confusing like I get it but it's finnicky and fragile as anything... And the JS and Non JS version seem to be be asking or not asking...

<pawism:frei.chat> And niether is working :/

<pawism:frei.chat> I need new messages to come through atleast

<pawism:frei.chat> I can infer from that what is what...

<pawism:frei.chat> But new messages aren't even decrypting...

<pawism:frei.chat> :/

<pawism:frei.chat> Alright finally works

<aillia:matrix.org> 🤯 I can not even decrypt your reply rn - is it yes or no?

<aillia:matrix.org> nm

<pawism:frei.chat> Because I'm paranoid I have 3 seperate vms with 3 seperate purposes and rank them from least important to most important and don't keep my XMR on the vm I go on the bazaar on hence I don't write down as much information or just keep a password manager logged in becuase I keep nothing of value except my xmrbazaar account and matrix and the messaging apps

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> is cake wallet still good option

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> for monero?

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> or the best option

<pawism:frei.chat> But yes this doesn't account for edge cases when damn protonpass automatically logs me out of everything and I can't access my xmrbazaar recovery key for messages...

<pawism:frei.chat> I need more resilliency/redundancy for these edge cases I guess well I did better then last time but still

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> ever heard about encrypting everything?

<pawism:frei.chat> We aren't talking about that well I'm not

<pawism:frei.chat> I have encrypted everything

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> how did u isolate ur computer and did u jail the applications too

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> vms are not enough

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> and also you need strong firewall rules

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> nothing goes in or out without your approval

<pawism:frei.chat> the problem is making sure the details to get inside those encrypted vaults for everything is somewhere safe also and not just rely on a password manager to never log out and keep the details of that safe...

<pawism:frei.chat> Not just use burner emails for the password manager to use for this

<pawism:frei.chat> I know

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> you shouldnt rely on the password managers because they have the weakest link is their passwords

<pawism:frei.chat> I don't have Qubes because honestly it's just too overwhelming like it's not so much technical as it is just way too overengineered it feels like

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> they just need to know ur login and password and they are in pretty much

<pawism:frei.chat> I only use bitwarden and protonpass

<pawism:frei.chat> No I remember most of my own passwords for important things

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> but if you have local password manager with strong encryption its better because its harder to connect as it doesnt connect to the internet at all

<pawism:frei.chat> but password managers aka protonpass and bitwarden keep things like monero seed phrases and pgp keys things I literally can't remember in my head...

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> even if it gets stolen you will still have backup somewhere in ur usb stick

<pawism:frei.chat> True yes

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> but my question is that how did u get monero anonymously?

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> because it is almost impossible to do so

<pawism:frei.chat> I'm very security and privacy minded my native PC has full luks encryption and then user login password, virt manager has full luks encryption and user login password for every single VM and I do hardening on all my systems it's as best as I can do

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> I have been trying to get monero with prepaid cards but they dont work

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> and there's plenty of KYC around

<pawism:frei.chat> @boats_for_me:matrix.org: Earnt most of it working on the bazaar and originally bought some from my Norweigan friend with steam gift cards and we are very close friends about a year ago I bought a couple hundred AUD worth of steam gift cards and he got me the equivelant in monero from retoswap

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> I'm frustrated because of these things

<pawism:frei.chat> And that is anonymous because I went to ebgames and bought the gift cards in cash

<pawism:frei.chat> Yeah tell me about it...

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> @pawism:frei.chat: thats nice, how does the retoswap work?

<pawism:frei.chat> Brother I live in Australia KYC is THE WORST HERE...

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> australia is crazy atm they want to kyc everything :D

<pawism:frei.chat> 100 points of ID is required to even buy $5 worth of bitcoin at a bitcoin ATM...

<pawism:frei.chat> Passport, medicare card, credit card and a facial recognition selife...

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> damn

<eddie:oblak.be> You can look for physical crypto ATMs > <@boats_for_me:matrix.org> I'm frustrated because of these things

<pw:xmr.mx> @pawism:frei.chat: do you get headache from blood rush due to being up side down?

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: there's some but they require kyc

<eddie:oblak.be> Depending on your location it can be a pretty good option

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> I would like to use the ATMs but

<pawism:frei.chat> @boats_for_me:matrix.org: Yep same and here there's no exceptions

<eddie:oblak.be> also for small amounts?

<pawism:frei.chat> Even a prepaid sim card here requires 100 points of ID such as a passport, medicare card and a credit card and your full name and address...

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: yes its full KYC and only bitcoin

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> you have to pre-register to even to use the machine

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> I haven't looked into them after that

<eddie:oblak.be> that sucks, I used to go around the city and try them all

<pawism:frei.chat> Yeah in this country it doesn't even matter if it's $5 100 points of Id are required for any amount of cryptocurrency they treat bitcoin atms the same as bank accounts it's bonkers... > <@boats_for_me:matrix.org> I would like to use the ATMs but

<eddie:oblak.be> there was no kyc back then

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> I would like to use cash in mail too but they require you to video tape when putting into mailbox

<eddie:oblak.be> pay some homeless guy to do it for you

<milas900:matrix.org> What’s wrong with vitalik butetin each time he talks politics about Ukraine

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: ah sounds like it was serving it purpose before

<eddie:oblak.be> or a whatever guy, homeless isn't persé needed

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: how does that work like

<pawism:frei.chat> I hate the surveillance and identity requirements of my country :/

<milas900:matrix.org> Like what > <@boats_for_me:matrix.org> australia is crazy atm they want to kyc everything :D

<pawism:frei.chat> It's insane for every little thing so many documents required...

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> @milas900:matrix.org: everything

<pawism:frei.chat> @milas900:matrix.org: EVERYTHING!

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> and everybody

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> right @pawism:frei.chat

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> yeah

<milas900:matrix.org> Going to toilet needs kyc ? > <@boats_for_me:matrix.org> everything

<milas900:matrix.org> @pawism:frei.chat: They were during Covid insane

<pawism:frei.chat> Facebook account?? Give me your credit card... Prepaid sim card 100 points of ID, bitcoin atm 100 points of ID... Fancy restaurant show me your passport please...

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> @milas900:matrix.org: yes most likely gonna happen soon too

<milas900:matrix.org> @pawism:frei.chat: Even restaurant ?

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: have u ever tried those platforms?

<pawism:frei.chat> @milas900:matrix.org: Bro in Australia now you go to social media or the hub you need to doxx yourself the same as a bloody bank account it's insanity...

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> like where u can send cash or some gift cards?

<eddie:oblak.be> @boats_for_me:matrix.org: which one?

<pawism:frei.chat> Like okay privacy and security conscious users wouldn't be going there regardless but it's the principal not what they are doing this is on the news what they are doing...

<eddie:oblak.be> @pawism:frei.chat: then why are fake ID's not a good business?

<eddie:oblak.be> you should be able to bribe someone, no?

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: I dont know any Im pretty new to this :D

<pawism:frei.chat> @eddie:oblak.be: You'd think so but in Australia no one seems to have any rebellious nature about them it's an ex prison colony filled with over compliant sheeple it feels like for the most part atleast...

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> another option what I was thinking about was to mine my own monero but that would take so long and I dont know how to do it safe enough

<eddie:oblak.be> I would think for ex prison it would there would be some rebellious nature 😂

<eddie:oblak.be> @boats_for_me:matrix.org: it's a good option

<pawism:frei.chat> The general public generally complains about protestors protesting at any protest if a police officer overreacts the general public sentiment here is "Well you should not be protesting if you don't expect to get beaten up what are you doing holding a sign on the side of the road??"

<eddie:oblak.be> if you're in australia you can probably get cheap solar energy?

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: yeah but it would take ages :D I dont have good rig for it

<eddie:oblak.be> you need to buy a good rig then, the money you would otherwise use to get monero

<eddie:oblak.be> it takes longer, for sure

<pawism:frei.chat> Yeah true

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> how much you would have to use for the good rig?

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> and how much it would earn

<eddie:oblak.be> depends on your electricity cost

<eddie:oblak.be> that's the biggest profit eater

<pawism:frei.chat> I wonder why monero is dipping right now?

<pawism:frei.chat> Any particualr reason?

<pawism:frei.chat> Last night it was looking great...

<eddie:oblak.be> but if you just want few 100 dollars tomorrow, mining is not the solution

<pawism:frei.chat> This morning it's down almost 50 $...

<aillia:matrix.org> For Aussies who need Monero for cash: xmrbazaar.com/user/Camylopez this guy is from LocalMonero and bonded on XMRBazaar. (unpaid promotion lol)

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> @aillia:matrix.org: but Im not aussie :D

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> Im friend of aussies tho

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> there's living some nice people

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> @aillia:matrix.org: have u used him before?

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> and how does that work

<boats_for_me:matrix.org> is it like human to human irl?

<pawism:frei.chat> He's a human but apart from that I have no clue I have never used them if I ever buy it's from my own connections not from him I get better deals from my own friends and also more anonymous

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> > <@pawism:frei.chat> Because I'm paranoid I have 3 seperate vms with 3 seperate purposes and rank them from least important to most important and don't keep my XMR on the vm I go on the bazaar on hence I don't write down as much information or just keep a password manager logged in becuase I keep nothing of value except my xmrbazaar account and matrix and the messaging apps

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> brother you should learn how to not delete your pgp key before you do this

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Orange meme said no and a whale or two said fsck it or something > <@pawism:frei.chat> I wonder why monero is dipping right now?

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<hbs:matrix.org> Maybe the person who got the 7000 or so XMR from RetoSwap is dumping?

<kevino:tchncs.de> @hbs:matrix.org: naah

<kevino:tchncs.de> bch down 12%

<kevino:tchncs.de> we shall discuss this in

<kevino:tchncs.de> #monero-markets:matrix.org though

Cat remains unconcerned

what is the likelihood that the RetoSwap

…hacker is the RetoSwap admin

<rbrunner7> I don't know. I do know that the likelihood that sooner or later somebody somewhere asks that question must be near 100%.

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> considering he just asked it's very near indeed

good evening