<kiersten5821:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: idk i dont work for the government

<shortwavesurfer2009> We all know that they are going to delist it entirely, so they might as well just get it over with.

<servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> @pw:xmr.mx: For which country is this?

<shortwavesurfer2009> @servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru: Best guess would be probably the US, because it's already been delisted entirely in the EU, and I think that Kraken might only serve the US and Canada, so it's probably one of those two.

<servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Hmm didn't got an email.. That sucks nonetheless.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I think its already out of Canada

if you expect to exceed limits you can go through a whitelisting review process

what is the purpose of your xmr activity

duh $ ofc

etc

DataHoarder[m]: I see posts on matrix that I don't see on irc, specifically from gan aka ganza

do you have a time period?

just now to at least 2 hrs ago

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: this is extremely hard, they will need to be thorchain/serai style with a separate dedicated blockchain to have anything even close to a good ux (paired with a brand new token for security). then clueless ppl will say its a shitcoin scam

00:06:00 <br-m> <gan:skhron.org> @kiersten5821:matrix.org: P2P markets outside of CEXs do exist, just to note

I see none on matrix

remember the bridge follows monero.social perspective

if monero.social dropped their messages, they won't get bridged, as even Matrix side is unaware

I don't see any on Matrix on my monero.social user

thanks Federation

I see nothing from gan today on irc

I just posted the single message

<shortwavesurfer2009> Is Kraken the last centralized exchange on Earth to offer Monero to Fiat directly?

just after you got pinged

00:02:55 <rhaskell> @nioc - like most of us

00:06:00 <br-m> <gan:skhron.org> @kiersten5821:matrix.org: P2P markets outside of CEXs do exist, just to note

yes that one I see, sorry

nothing since on Matrix side

well I see several from him on matrix, catgirl.cloud server

that's just Matrix then

nothing on monero.social so they don't exist

remind me again why people use that shit?

see irc.gammaspectra.live/5bd6ad001ffd5f6f/image.png

if you want a centralized view of messages nioc, use IRC

the monerokon channel bridge is ded for me but seems to work for geonic

otherwise there will be federation loss across matrix

I don't run that one :)

yeap

gan is quoting me on matrix but I don't see him here

here being irc

because monero social cannot see

irc just gets the monero.social matrix instance view

so many problems with monero.social :(

irc.gammaspectra.live/801a5308afa46a7e/image.png

matrix view

and my previous link too

if you want to compare

thx

need to go, bbl

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Nor only monero.social nioc

<ravfx:xmr.mx> the matrix got another cat

<ravfx:xmr.mx> and got brainfucked again

<gan:skhron.org> DataHoarder: fucking interesting

<gan:skhron.org> wait a sec, I'll issue a membership event

<gan:skhron.org> maybe I'll pop in the monero dot social view then after a membership event

oh you are back

<gan:skhron.org> nioc: it works alright in my experience, nor Rome was built in a day. decentralization is hard, especially the weakest form of it 🧌

<gan:skhron.org> I probably got state reset on monero dot social to non-existence, because DAGs be DAG'ing the nuts across the screen

lol

<gan:skhron.org> yeah, for whatever the fuck monero dot social doesn't see me, and after a membership event got issued, it still doesn't

<gan:skhron.org> that looks like an authchain failure, because my messages ain't even being backfilled > <DataHoarder> irc.gammaspectra.live/801a5308afa46a7e/image.png

<gan:skhron.org> Cya cat

spam of your messages now lol

<gan:skhron.org> indeed, I'm being fucked rn

mrelay.p2pool.observer/p/3qvxvJYLU3p3S0E2/1.txt (code snippet, 18 lines)

you are back :)

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> the irc is shit, cannot believe this channel admins are using a provider that bans vpns? is this about privacy or not? you all gave your home ip to the libera.chat?

it's the irc network, which allows tor and VPN but only with registered accounts

not the channel.

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> yes, the channel admins are using a network provider that bans vpns

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> and you cant register an account on a vpn

all the channels are there, not just a single "admin"

largest network for open source

but if desired, you have matrix.

And they are bridged, but ofc you get matrix issues

in fact IRC users appear like Matrix users (hi from IRC)

Yeah sure, look at my matrix "name" !!

happening again @gan:skhron.org

all messages came at once

<gan:skhron.org> I almost fucked the room state on my server in half

<ravfx:xmr.mx> yeah, and my IRC message took forever to arrive too

<gan:skhron.org> DataHoarder[m]: it should be fixed now probably

@ravfx:xmr.mx: it was instant on monero.social

<gan:skhron.org> That's what she said 🧌

<gan:skhron.org> Judging by the view of other servers, it should work(TM) now

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> i rather use the most trashy cf javascript bloated webapp than a pretend leet network that blocks vpn registration, which is exactly what i am doing

<gan:skhron.org> @kiersten5821:matrix.org: Only don't od on copium

then use something other than matrix.org lol

nioc I don't see you in that channel ?

Pretend leet? What?

also I keep hearing that but to my knowledge, "leet" isn't really a word

<pw:xmr.mx> leet aka elite aka 1337 ?

So slang basically?

<gan:skhron.org> BlueyHealer: it's quite a word - en.wiktionary.org/wiki/leet#English

<pw:xmr.mx> welcome to the internet young one.

Wait, 1337 as in the torrent tracker is not random?

<gan:skhron.org> but you're probably interested in en.wiktionary.org/wiki/leet#Etymology_6

<pw:xmr.mx> I use limewir3

<pw:xmr.mx> limewire

<gan:skhron.org> BlueyHealer: Don't tell me that you're this young, you didn't even had phones with buttons?

I have heard of Limewire but don't think I've ever used that

I did have a dumbphone in kindergarten, still used it recently)

As for peer-to-peer, aside from obviously torrents, I've only used Soulseek because for music it's way better than any tracker or site I've seen.

<gan:skhron.org> ofttopic :P

yeah fair enough

Just to finish: seems like here it's used in the "elite" sense. What's "elite" about Libera? That's about the biggest network and doesn't seem to have any "exclusive community".

<pw:xmr.mx> bluey you should just mute yourself

I was just referring to "than a pretend leet network that blocks vpn registration". There doesn't seem to be anything "pretend elite" about a regularnetwork.

BlueyHealer: the "exclusive community" is about open source projects

Maybe, then how is that "elite" given that this is not just the devs, but people asking for support as well?

How to connect to the default public node (no blockchain download) in cli?

what are the ip and port for the public node used by default in the gui?

gui simple mode

<rb411:matrix.org> What's the best way to buy XMR with fiat (USD)? No KYC is preferred but not a requirement. Started setting up Kraken until it asked for my SSN; I understand Kraken is relatively trusted so if there's no better alternative I wouldn't be entirely opposed to using it, just looking at my other options. I'm new to Monero and crypto as a whole if it isn't obvious already

<rb411:matrix.org> Apologies if this isn't the correct place for this question, I just realized there's also a #monero-support channel

for fiat people use retoswap

might take a bit of getting used to

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @rb411:matrix.org: Kraken is reducing purchase limits to 1500/mth

there is a channel here haveno where you can ask questions if you need

haveno is the underlying protocol for retoswap

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> #haveno:monero.social

ofrnxmr it is possible to get whitelisted to get higher limits :D

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Id prefer to be blacklisted 🤬

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Register an llc and tell them i need it to run my drug empire

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> its total nonense that you can deposit 3k but only withdraw 1.5k. Thats just telling ppl to sell more than they buy, and you have to tell them what yoire spending it on if you want to get whitelisted

sushi for Cat

please don't tell them Cat gets it from the chef for free

<siren:kernal.eu> Can someone remind me what is planned for the future of tx_extra?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> its going to stick around

<siren:kernal.eu> Will it become smaller? Will there be any changes to it?

<boog900> IIRC its going to be limited by consensus and all the required fields for tx scanning in it are going to be moved to dedicated fields

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> cc @jeffro256:monero.social

<jeffro256> Right now, as the FCMP++ integration is coded, tx_extra more or less remains the same: tx_extra fields are re-used for Carrot.

<jeffro256> The tx_extra length relay rule becomes a consensus rule after v17

<zubairu:matrix.org> Someone let me know what's all this

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> is a field attached to a tx that contains extra data

<zubairu:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Still don't get it

<kevino:tchncs.de> i think you yse tx extra for runes on monero

<zubairu:matrix.org> @kevino:tchncs.de: Sorry 😐 but I'm new here

<jeffro256> @kevino:tchncs.de: It's also used for regular sending and receiving of XMR. By default it contains ephemeral tx pubkeys used for ECDH to encrypt e-notes to the receivers. It also contains the encrypted payment ID, if applicable

<kevino:tchncs.de> ohh i didn't know

<kevino:tchncs.de> good to know

<boog900> @jeffro256: Is that planed to change, I remember discussion on moving the tx keys to the tx outputs?

<jeffro256> For example, take a random 1-in 2-out tx like this: xmrchain.net/tx/5348d2cc99a96ca3b10…0b1fd08b879db1171a9cb5034634d8caa/1. Click on "show JSON representation" and look at the "extra" field. It's 44 bytes, which is 1 byte for the main tx pubkey tag, 32 bytes for the main tx pubkey itself, 1 byte for the "no [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/obK-4JYLNmlqc0Y2 ]

<jeffro256> @boog900: Not at the moment, since we were trying to minimize breaking changes for FCMP++ as hard as possible, but I'm open to it

<jeffro256> If moving Carrot stuff to its own fields outside of tx_extra, you need some additional serialization rules because you only need 1 ephemeral tx pubkey for 2-out txs, but N pubkeys for N>2-out txs