<hughjank:matrix.org> Im stackin Goshis... xmr = Ghost satoshis, urban legend satoshi contributed..

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> How much for a suicide stack?

<hughjank:matrix.org> Stackin Gats not Sats

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> Lmao

<hughjank:matrix.org> Fuck a Sat, im stackin Gats, xmr on the map

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Lemme guess, room filled with Monero bulls

<hughjank:matrix.org> Duh

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> @hughjank:matrix.org: Something something its a trap

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: I personally think it will go to zero eventually

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> I'm only bullish on collapse

<hughjank:matrix.org> No theory?

<hughjank:matrix.org> Didntbeven mention quantum?

<hughjank:matrix.org> ill take ur gats then

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> No gat blockchain yet buster

<hughjank:matrix.org> G in gat comes from Goshi aka ghost satoshi.. u buster ass mf

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> Lol

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> Nah its from great gatsby

<hughjank:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/zzzixRIyIOEHajqIrhssCtGe.jpg (IMG_20260811_192140.jpg)

<hughjank:matrix.org> Stackin gats

<hughjank:matrix.org> Bulletproofs

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> Wait you were srs?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> nah > <@gzx:metropolis.nexus> I personally think it will go to zero eventually

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Monero won’t go to zero

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> monero won’t go to the moon

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Thinking of monero like another shitcoin is a mistake

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> It is just cash, use it, p2p, circular economy

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Sure enjoy the price up if you can get cash for it

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> that’s it

<hughjank:matrix.org> Ur prob wrong

<hughjank:matrix.org> One hiccup can change everything

<hughjank:matrix.org> And cause massive ppl to pour in

<hughjank:matrix.org> Shtf events cbdc and more also advancements

<hughjank:matrix.org> Wars

"because xmr will be worth $300 in 2050"

Isn't XMR worth $300 right now?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> doesnt matter what happens, if i want to get a beer on xmrbazaar, will be 0.03 XMR today, the same in 5 years…

I don't even think XMR changed from the $350-290 range

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> i don’t link xmr with fiat

<hughjank:matrix.org> Cindy its worth the amount ill spend on a dinner date with u

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Cindy: that’s the comfy range of Monero to Fiat price

<hughjank:matrix.org> Xmr is 400 rn

<hughjank:matrix.org> If u try to buy private over 420

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @hughjank:matrix.org: you know why?

<hughjank:matrix.org> iran

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> wrong

<hughjank:matrix.org> Trump

hughjank: Wow, cheapstake

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> try again

<hughjank:matrix.org> Dollar printer

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> its simple

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> study a bit more about Monero

<hughjank:matrix.org> Lol

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> and youll understand why is not like any other shitcoin

<hughjank:matrix.org> I get all my info from john mcafe and maverick on youtube

<hughjank:matrix.org> Thats a joke btw

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @hughjank:matrix.org: ah, good, i was looking for a meme to answer to that

<hughjank:matrix.org> Lmfao

<hughjank:matrix.org> Cindy______ Gold digger 😂

<hughjank:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/wDJECpRNNgkvnqVpJLQMcUKd.jpg (Gats/Gatoshi's)

<hughjank:matrix.org> Centralized Control: GrapheneOS is run by a tiny, strict leadership team. They dictate exactly what can and cannot be said.

<hughjank:matrix.org> The reason Monero feels less suspicious is transparency through openness. When a community allows everyone to speak freely, even when they disagree..it feels like nothing is being hidden.For many users, that silence feels like a corporate filter or a hidden agenda, whereas Monero's open, messy debates feel honest.

<hughjank:matrix.org> Because GrapheneOS relies on a centralized team to sign software updates, there is a single, physical cryptographic key that controls the safety of every user.

<hughjank:matrix.org> The Risk: If a government agency or a highly funded hacking group launches a targeted attack, they only have to compromise a few key individuals.

<hughjank:matrix.org> The Outcome: If attackers steal that signing key, or legally force a developer to use it, they can push a malicious "poison update" directly to everyone's phone without users knowing. Monero's decentralized network makes this type of single-target attack impossible.

<hughjank:matrix.org> Monero prioritizes trust through openness. It is messy and chaotic, but because anyone can speak and audit the system, it has zero central vectors of compromise.

<hughjank:matrix.org> GrapheneOS prioritizes protection through lock-down. It builds incredibly strong physical walls against hackers, but you are forced to completely trust a tiny group of people holding the keys.

<torir:unredacted.org> @hughjank:matrix.org That sounds like it was partially written by AI. I also don't buy it. How is GrapheneOS's governance different from, say, a Linux distro's? Many popular Linux distros have small teams. Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux, is sometimes called a "benevolent dictator for life", and has the final say on any changes that make it into the Linux kernel.

<torir:unredacted.org> Monero's governance works the way it does because the blockchain is a shared resource. With an open-source operating system like Graphene or a Linux distribution., you can use a fork if you don't like the creators. But the blockchain in Monero can't be forked so easily without losing the community that gives the currency value [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/q87i7J8LcFlYRXQ4 ]

<thomasbuilds:matrix.org> Although Linux has 18k+ contributors. Most GOS repos have very little contributors.

hughjank: Monero and GrapheneOS is like comparing apples with oranges

<hughjank:matrix.org> Final thoughts?

<hughjank:matrix.org> very true doesnt seem realistic we can have monero type governance on a phone

That's like if I compared Bitcoin with Arch Linux

<hughjank:matrix.org> So basically impossible to have monero style governance on mobile os and a physical phone?

<hughjank:matrix.org> and keep it secure?

It's impossible

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Let’s just make MonerOS

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Cindy: X2

Someone has to hold the keys

<hughjank:matrix.org> gg

<hughjank:matrix.org> Meta is to use flip phone then and pocket computer

<hughjank:matrix.org> Im not fuckin with that shit

You have to trust whatever contributions end up on Monero's software too

Because if the majority believes something's true, it'll end up being true

<torir:unredacted.org> I don't like the creators of GrapheneOS much, but I believe in its technical merits. It's the one phone OS that governments routinely fail to hack for a reason.

What will the creators benefit from pushing a malicious update signed with the keys

Other than irreparably destroying their reputation

They are struggling to get apps using Play Integrity to use their keys aswell

<torir:unredacted.org> The "poison pill" described by the AI can happen with pretty much any Linux distro, or even with many Monero wallets. It's not a unique threat to a small team. It could (perhaps) even happen with Monero. A relatively small number of people have the ability to push releases to the Monero repo. They could be compromised by the government too.

Yes

The thing is, what would Graphene have to gain from this

What would anyone have to gain from this

<torir:unredacted.org> Even if a government compromised the GrapheneOS team and forced them to push out a malicious update, it is extremely likely that it would be detected, and it would look bad for that government too.

It would look bad for GrapheneOS in general too

<hughjank:matrix.org> If there gonna go that far wont be detected

They've been trying to get bank apps and shit to believe that they are the most secure OS

So they can pass attestation with their own OS root keys

<torir:unredacted.org> GrapheneOS has reproducible builds. It will be easy to detect if a version is published that doesn't match the source code.

^

I was about to say that

GOS is built to be reproducible, builds with the same exact source code will result in the same checksum

If you change anything, the checksum will be different and people will catch this

<torir:unredacted.org> Does Monero have reproducible builds yet?

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> monero is not software

torir: Does it have any build dates?

<torir:unredacted.org> The official Monero daemon.

Or any nondeterministic build steps/compile-time code?

<torir:unredacted.org> Hmm... looks like it is using Guix for bootstrapable builds. I never found reproducible build instructions anywhere besides that, but it does seem vaguely reproducible.

<hughjank:matrix.org> Whats more likely to be a honeypot, qubesos or fedora? Fedora less likely because corporations depend on it to be secure imo thoughts?

<torir:unredacted.org> Why would I honeypot an entire distro when I could honeypot a small thing every distro uses? Or how about a web browser?

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> @hughjank:matrix.org: the source code is available for both, even if they have proprietary components

I used to like Qubes but I didn't like how they aren't even keeping up with their security

<hughjank:matrix.org> Because it would be restricted to a qube

Their Anti-Evil Maid protection for example, requires TPM 1.2 and Intel ME

Which is super dated compared to computers now having TPM 2

Like really, TPM 1.2 is shit

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> well not every computer has it

<hughjank:matrix.org> Cindy: What os do you reccomemd now

hughjank: I could honeypot the hypervisor

<torir:unredacted.org> Throwing out honeypot accusations is not generally useful. Look for products that are several years old, fully open-source, and respected by security experts. Those are the ones that unlikely to be honeypots.

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> also not cool that it needs ME

The Xen hypervisor

<hughjank:matrix.org> Gyat

I use Fedora tbh

<hughjank:matrix.org> Real shit homie

<hughjank:matrix.org> Corporations depend on it to be secure

Fedora Sliverblue to be exact. I chose it because it has Secure Boot, SELinux support

And well, I use my apps through Flatpaks mostly

<hughjank:matrix.org> Qubes makes u disable secureboot

That shit is dumb

<hughjank:matrix.org> Idk bro maybe notfbihoney is a nsa agent he put me on qubes

I cannot say they're a good OS when they barely keep up with modern PC security

Like even Secureblue the Fedora fork has Secure Boot support

<hughjank:matrix.org> He had a video wearing a mask but showed his ponytail like fbi cant find out who he is

<hughjank:matrix.org> With his voice aswell

I'm not interested in using Qubes unless they up their game and take advantage of what PCs have to offer in security nowadays, instead of what they used to offer back in 2012

<hughjank:matrix.org> Gg man my qubesos prob backdoored guy even said his qubesos got hacked

Not backdoored

Just I want an OS with physical security too

Not just digital security

It's a matter of threat model

<hughjank:matrix.org> Fde is ok right if secure boot disabled on qubesos?

Eh

I mean it's fine

But someone who has access to your drive can tamper with your bootloader

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> @hughjank:matrix.org: FDE is not a replacement for secure boot

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> Cindy: ^

Yes

FDE has no relation with secure boot

But I think it's worse with secure boot off because someone can inject code into the bootloader while you're not looking

(Given your threat model includes that)

<hughjank:matrix.org> lmao

And if they can, well they can siphon your drive password and save it for later :P

So it kinda depends

<torir:unredacted.org> FDE should be considered broken the moment someone is allowed to tamper with your hardware. Don't decrypt your device is you think it has been tampered with.

<hughjank:matrix.org> Cindy ur knowledge is supreme

I wouldn't say that

Also this is where TPM comes into play

You could FDE your disk with a mix of your password/key and one of the TPM registers (preferably ones that have to do with Secure Boot or the hardware)

<hughjank:matrix.org> Torir thatsonly for physical attacks?

<hughjank:matrix.org> or remote aswwll

Then if someone messes with your laptop BIOS settings, you can't decrypt your hard drive anymore

Or Secure Boot

hughjank: Physical

GrapheneOS's threat model includes physical attacks, for example

<torir:unredacted.org> Drive encryption is only for physical attacks. If your device is stolen, it keeps your data safe. Or if your device gets siezed at a border crossing. Secure boot is mainly for physical, but it can help prevent malware from becoming persistent.

<hughjank:matrix.org> Torir what os do you reccomend then

If you use Secure Boot and TPM well, it can help against physical attacks

<torir:unredacted.org> Yes, but TPM attacks exist on a lot of devices. The security of your TPM depends a lot on what hardware you have. It's the reason Graphene insists on only support Pixel devices.

<hughjank:matrix.org> My os says tpm not supported 😂

torir: Ideally TPM should be embedded directly into your CPU

And not outside of it (on your board)

Because then someone can just use a bus pirate

<hughjank:matrix.org> Cindy should i run for the hills says tpm not supported

<torir:unredacted.org> If you don't care about physical attacks, you don't need secure boot. But secure boot is still good to have because it helps against rootkits.

<torir:unredacted.org> It depends on your threat model.

^

It all depends on your threat model

Do you care that much about physical attacks

<hughjank:matrix.org> Yes

<hughjank:matrix.org> so if i travel out of the country what could they do it has bios pw fde

<hughjank:matrix.org> Tpm not supported no secure boot

If it has FDE but no Secure Boot/TPM, then the most they can do is tamper with your bootloader and inject some rookit

<hughjank:matrix.org> Bios pw will give string

<torir:unredacted.org> What I would do: Use full disk encryption. back up all data to cloud storage, wipe the device, take it across the border, wipe it again afterwards and reinstall OS.

<hughjank:matrix.org> They can bypass bios pw

<hughjank:matrix.org> Then what

BIOS password does nothing

They can grab the hard drive out of the computer

<torir:unredacted.org> If you are just worried about border crossings, full disk encryption is probably sufficient, assuming you reinstall the OS after the crossing to undo any bootloader changes. (Technically, they could attempt to install a rootkit in your firmware, but that is very unlikely if you aren't a targetted individual).

<torir:unredacted.org> But if you wipe the device, then they can't try to get the encryption password from you either, so that's even better.

<hughjank:matrix.org> Even then if they took the harddrive with fde Out of Your pc they can inject rootkit in bootloader aswell?

<torir:unredacted.org> Bootloader exists on the harddrive, yes, it could be modified.

<hughjank:matrix.org> because secure boot is not prgrammed inside the ssd

<hughjank:matrix.org> Right

<torir:unredacted.org> I've never heard of bootloaders being modified during a border crossing, but it is technically possible.

Yeah it is technically possible

<hughjank:matrix.org> More u know

<torir:unredacted.org> How secure boot works is it checks the bootloader signature from the drive before running it. Secure boot exists on the motherboard, bootloader on the drive.

<torir:unredacted.org> Secure boot can detect a modified bootloader on the drive, but can't preven the drive from being removed from the device.

<torir:unredacted.org> prevent*

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> this can also be achieved on libreboot, without strictly needing UEFI

Secure Boot is done by the BIOS, not by TPM btw

But TPM makes things more effective by binding secrets to one of the many PCR registers it has

Basically, you could, for example, bind your FDE hard drive to PCR7 (the Secure Boot State), in addition to whatever keys you'd normally need to access it

So if someone changes stuff related to Secure Boot, your drive becomes undecryptable

<torir:unredacted.org> Bitlocker (in Windows) does that, I think. And then undermines it by sending your encryption keys to Microsoft. So you get the worst of both worlds: getting locked out of your data if you lose your motherboard, and giving the government your encryption keys if they ask Microsoft nicely.

Honestly this is probably better than using Intel ME (ew)

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> Cindy: libreboot.org/docs/linux/grub_hardening.html

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> you might like this

Eh

I mean anyone smart enough to know what Libreboot is can just tamper with the BIOS now

<torir:unredacted.org> "Please also expect to brick your machine at least once" But now at least the evil maid will need an SPI programmer to get my encryption password.

This really doesn't fix anything and just makes things worse

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> Cindy: the document i linked is the mitigation against that

Because now you don't have Secure Boot, and I don't think this BIOS tells anything to the TPM to change its registers

Since it's unsigned code

muffin: I meant physical attacks

None of this protects against someone who is knowledgeable in hardware and using a SPI flasher

And knows what you did

Unless there's something I'm missing

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> the flash protections are kind of a mitigation though

You can disable them just by shorting a jumper

Which is what the guide mentions

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> yes, that’s why they’re “kind of”

<hughjank:matrix.org> So at most if nsa targets you cindy whats most they will get? 🫣

muffin: Yeah... I dunno about it

I feel like this is way too risky and still crackable

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> NSA needs to kidnap leah rowe to explain all this

Way too risky to set up I mean

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> Cindy: yeah

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> that’s just with libreboot in general too

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> 5V programmer instead of 3.3? oopsie!

Libreboot is cool and all but like

It's like most Android custom ROMs

You crack the bootloader once, and it remains insecure like that forever

hughjank: Uhhhh, weird stuff? ^^;

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> i mean at that threat level we get back to the wrench method > <Cindy> Libreboot is cool and all but like

Libreboot would be cool if it preserved the same amount of security (related to the boot code integrity) as if it was stock

Just like Pixels and GrapheneOS

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> yeah

I understand that's not always possible

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> especially at that lower level

And you might aswell pry the security open with a crowbar to shove your code in

At the cost of reduced boot code security

<muffin:catgirl.cloud> a worthy sacrifice

<peachass:matrix.org> Hey guys, i statted mining monero yesterday, amazing process intresting to learn new things and never touched linux like i did with the mining setup, thank god ai holds my hand lol

<peachass:matrix.org> currently downloading the node takes few days haha

<peachass:matrix.org> I wanted to know, where do i get the quickest news about the blockchain and if it one day should come to a fork etc.[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/y6WL8Z8LRVdoUHJ0 ]

<rene_guenon:matrix.org> Are there any kind of bounty project program to work on Monero?

<peachass:matrix.org> @rene_guenon:matrix.org: i dont think so, your bounty is conviction, being a pioneer in a completely controlled world working on a completely anon community controlled asset you can own without anyone taking away from you im not a dev but that would certainly be enough motivation especially in these days of the world.

<peachass:matrix.org> Just like I came to mining monero ( i dont own any purchessed monero yet)

<peachass:matrix.org> Devs come to understanding the values of helping developing this project

<peachass:matrix.org> @rene_guenon:matrix.org: If you need money directly, i would consider to make a website or a social media site where you show your contributions to the network as a dev and paste a wallet address so people can send you XMR.

<peachass:matrix.org> Other devs and people proud of this project will surely help you out, but if you just want to get payed like at a job i dont think there is a contractor lol

<rene_guenon:matrix.org> Google search brings this: bounties.monero.social

<rene_guenon:matrix.org> @peachass:matrix.org: What is CCS?

<rene_guenon:matrix.org> @rene_guenon:matrix.org: @peachass:matrix.org: you have any information about this?

<peachass:matrix.org> @rene_guenon:matrix.org: no im a newb im sorry i didnt know this site but it might be legit, apparently you can create bounties and also can browse through open bounties maybe thats exactly what you want

<peachass:matrix.org> @rene_guenon:matrix.org: matrix.to/#/%23monero-bounties:monero.social

<rene_guenon:matrix.org> It is subdomain of monero. So I assume it is legit’

<rene_guenon:matrix.org> @peachass:matrix.org: Joined. Thanks.

<peachass:matrix.org> @rene_guenon:matrix.org: seems the chatroom above is where you can ask further info about bounties, some people apparently earned by working on bounties maybe thats what you are looking for

<peachass:matrix.org> @rene_guenon:matrix.org: glad i could help, makes me feel part of this, noce

<rene_guenon:matrix.org> @peachass:matrix.org: @peachass:matrix.org: is it okay if I dm you?

<peachass:matrix.org> @rene_guenon:matrix.org: not sure, about what do you wanna talk, we can write here its general purpose about monero

<rene_guenon:matrix.org> Yes. It was about monero. And maybe we can find a way to work on it together.

<rene_guenon:matrix.org> Nevermind, don’t want to intrude.

<peachass:matrix.org> @rene_guenon:matrix.org: im not a dev I have good it knowledge and understand quiet a bit but i dont write code except using ai to vibecode apps and games lol

<rene_guenon:matrix.org> @peachass:matrix.org: No worries. Although I am sure you are way professional than me.

<dollarstoretokens:matrix.org> Hello! We've just launched dollarstoretokens.com - a simple AI gateway with full API access to discounted frontier models, paid exclusively in XMR. To help us test the code and infrastructure, we're giving away $5 free credit to the first 40 users (Telegram login required to prevent abuse).

<dollarstoretokens:matrix.org> Please let us know what you think or if you encounter any issues!

<thomasbuilds:matrix.org> who is "we" more like you. the way this appears to work is a scam

<thomasbuilds:matrix.org> asks to deposit XMR on first load lmao

<peachass:matrix.org> is there a possibility to be a mod in here?

<peachass:matrix.org> Im a discord mod in another crypto project but i honestly share Moneros vision and would like to actively supoort the project in some kind of way by contributing

<peachass:matrix.org> @dollarstoretokens:matrix.org: this very likely is spam / scam / promo phishing activity i have reported earlyer i dont see why such should be shared here, maybe should be shared in an offtopic chat

<peachass:matrix.org> #monero-offtopic:monero.social

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @dollarstoretokens:matrix.org: Give me free trial

<dollarstoretokens:matrix.org> @thomasbuilds:matrix.org: It just creates your account for you, there's no registration. The free credit claim is on that same page

<dollarstoretokens:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Just oauth with your Telegram or DM me your XMR deposit address from the homepage and I'll credit your account

<dollarstoretokens:matrix.org> @peachass:matrix.org: Well since it's XMR only I don't think it's off topic

<dollarstoretokens:matrix.org> Mods can decide though

<thomasbuilds:matrix.org> Please answer who is "we".

<thomasbuilds:matrix.org> Did you contribute to monero? Are you known here in some way?

<thomasbuilds:matrix.org> Seems like you created account for this launch, another red flag

<dollarstoretokens:matrix.org> The people who built the service? I don't think I ever said we're Monero contributors

<dollarstoretokens:matrix.org> I am known in the community, just not under this identity. :)

<thomasbuilds:matrix.org> Yeah right except nobody can verify

<dollarstoretokens:matrix.org> Sure, which is why no one is asking you to send any money

<dollarstoretokens:matrix.org> You literally get free credit

<dollarstoretokens:matrix.org> I'm not stupid, I don't expect people to send XMR to a random anonymous website on the internet

<dollarstoretokens:matrix.org> Use the free credit, if you like it, deposit. Simple

<peachass:matrix.org> i wasnt attacking you, we surely need to verify, its just we must be cautious and make sure things run legit, id say (as a non mod lol) you may post in #monero-offtopic:monero.social

<peachass:matrix.org> just a suggestion :)

<dollarstoretokens:matrix.org> Understandable

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Is mining monero "profitable" even in XMR terms?

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> @routingerror:metropolis.nexus: Depends on hashrate, this is a nice calculator: cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/xmr

if you have efficient mining hardware and lost cost electricity you can make a profit

how much that profit is depends on your hashrate

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Mine in South America

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> nioc: Why there can't be ASIC for RandomX again?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> It’s by design

because it uses every part of a CPU so the only ASIC is a CPU

and everybody has access to a CPU

or had lol

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> nioc: Isn't that waste of energy

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> No

no, video games are a waste of energy :D

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Graphics card suck powah like crazy

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> nioc: Don’t me messing with my cyberpunk 2077

I was over someone's house recently and they had the AC on and the windows open

fresh air and cooling at the same time

win win lolol

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> 😂

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Are there any benchmarks on mining with GOS > <nioc> and everybody has access to a CPU

mining on a phone? 0_o

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @routingerror:metropolis.nexus: I think you need root and people with GOS won’t root to mine 🤣

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> nioc: Phone would just crash 💥

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Tried that already

better to collect deposit bottles

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: I mean, you dont need root. It just improves speed

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> nioc: If you’re in Germany that works

Also you can root GOS pretty easily, to my understanding, just that the updates would become more bothersome.

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> I had a PS4 with JB mining XMR for the sake of the hahas

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: Rooting a privacy focused os for phones kinda beats the purpose

works here because it's not worth it for people to return them and they put them out once a week for "recycling"

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: It crashes and shit, I was able to, ofc 0 profits or shit like that.

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> It was just fun

slowbeardigger, I know, but I do understand why you'd want to.

not that much but more than mining

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> nioc: Most people have phones

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Not laptops/computers

I don't think we have bottle "deposits" you're supposed to return, you just collect glass.

It's pretty sad to see many elders runnaging through dumpsters for glass and metal :(

I hear you like hot phones and worn batteries

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Won’t explode (it will)

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Phones will never work for mining

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Not laptops/computers <- I still don't quite buy it, tbh. I had an episode when my laptop was out of commission for a couple months, and this was a PITA. My family member, who isn't as attached to their computer as I am to mine, berated me for not fixing theirs because doing a lot of the mundane things on a phone is beyond frustrating.

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> If you cpu overheats more than 90-100c your phone is dead

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Partial updates won't work? You need to download the entire OS, extract, patch the kernel? with magisk then make ISO and flash > <BlueyHealer> Also you can root GOS pretty easily, to my understanding, just that the updates would become more bothersome.

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: Should mine on a redmagic

you can get old ones that will run w/o batteries

Like, how'd you buy theater tickets? Pay your bills?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @jacoblightning3:matrix.org: BOoOo

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> nioc: The soldered parts will just break or melt

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> A phone won’t survive

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> If you cpu overheats more than 90-100c your phone is dead <- I'm more concerned by the fact that phones aren't really meant to be on a charger all the time (although apparently some do have bypasses for that).

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> They use lower melting point soldering paste

I don't think even my laptop reached those temps lol

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: A power supply and the og battery circuit will do the trick

Even when I do ffmpeg on long albums

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> @routingerror:metropolis.nexus: There should be a magisk module for this ahhh

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Spent 10 years fixing phones

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> I know these little bastards

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: A nice bread toaster

quick question, is there any reason why the last ~300k blocks are taking so long to download

more transactions

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Yes

thanks

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> usrusrusrusr: Oh, yeah. I had that too. It sucked

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> And it’s never “super fast”

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> A little patience

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> That’s it

maybe also due to the qubic stuff awhile ago

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> @jacoblightning3:matrix.org: Redmagic?

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> @routingerror:metropolis.nexus: The gaming phone company

also there are checkpoints up until a certain height which makes things quicker, not sure the height of the last ones

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> On the OS level or like physically the motherboard will melt..? > <@slowbeardigger:matrix.org> If you cpu overheats more than 90-100c your phone is dead

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Electronics dont like heat

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Its more like a physical thing

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Phone don't have proper heatsink, but don't they normally shutdown or throttle before cooking themself to death?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Also remove the battery and bypass the charging circuit if needed

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Except if that phone have proper measure to prevent li-ion pregnancy.

I've seen some old phones bypass the battery check with something really simple, maybe even a single capacitor. I wonder how different modern phones are in this regard?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> you take out the old battery, you cut off the little board that they have, connect the board + and - to the power supply, 1 or 2 amps depending on the battery specs

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> and 4.1-3.9V

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> that’s how you “bypass” using their own circuit board

I recall reading a thread warning against that specific thing and there being important nuance

<peachass:matrix.org> i just mine, with my pcs dont care about electricity cost dont pay any lol > <@jacoblightning3:matrix.org> Depends on hashrate, this is a nice calculator: cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/xmr

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> BlueyHealer: Not caring about energy?

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Probably can override that and see where the maximum hashrate I can cook up on pixel 6a lol

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> There should be a magisk module for p2pool+monerod+everything optimized

is trocador still a solid non kyc exchange aggregator? or are there better ones now

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Trocador is solid

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> But they log your ip

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Assume they all log your ip.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> tor and vpn exist for that

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Use only TOR

alright

<hughjank:matrix.org> All research I do keeps confirming if u have consumer intel cpu 10th gen or higher your a potential victim for nsa mass surveillence...

<hughjank:matrix.org> In 2013 nsa had tens of millions of webcam photos imagine the depth now

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> BlueyHealer: Not caring about energy? >- I mean just soldering the power source right in place of the battery

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> is it safe if i download xmr gui with my regular search engine using a vpn

<ravfx:xmr.mx> depend where you download it

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> or should i download xmr gui over tor with a vpn

<ravfx:xmr.mx> normally certificates and tls do there work, if your using a normal vpn it should be fine

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> @ollerhahayes:matrix.org: You generally shouldn't use tor with a vpn.

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> i downloaded it on the getmonero.org site

<ravfx:xmr.mx> then it's fine

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> @jacoblightning3:matrix.org: so i should use my regular seach engine with a vpn instead right?

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> or just download it on tor with no vpn

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> @ollerhahayes:matrix.org: or use it with just tor. Just generally don't use both unless you have complete trust in the vpn provider.

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> @jacoblightning3:matrix.org: well is proton vpn any good in your opinion

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> You also have to make sure you are tunneling:

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> your computer -> vpn -> tor -> website

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> rather than

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> your computer -> tor -> vpn -> website

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> As the second one breaks tor's whole model

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> yea i did have a vpn on before oppening tor

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> @ollerhahayes:matrix.org: I think it's an ok choice. I personally selfhost my own vpn so I am comfortable using tor with a vpn

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> for some reason when i tried to download xmr gui over tor with vpn it would not load

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> but it would load getmonero.org just fine

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> Interesting, I don't know why that would be.

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> thought the same

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> thats why i came on here

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> to figure out why

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> Take a look at this: support.torproject.org/tor-browser/general/vpn-with-tor > <@ollerhahayes:matrix.org> so i should use my regular seach engine with a vpn instead right?

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> Does it work with just tor or just the vpn? > <@ollerhahayes:matrix.org> but it would load getmonero.org just fine

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> havn't tested without vpn

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> it works fine with vpn on

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> let me shutdown tor

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> disconnect from vpn

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> and see if it will let me download xmr gui