<yokoama:matrix.org> never heard, just use trocador > <moonwalk22> hi o/ has anyone used ghostswap.io?

<torir:unredacted.org> OrangeFren, Trocador are reputatable exchange aggregators.

<torir:unredacted.org> Trocador is the most private, but I like that OrangeFren warns you about services that might do shotgun KYC.

<torir:unredacted.org> Trocador proxies your trades through its own site, so you don't need to go to partner sites and let them log your IP, grab trading cookies, etc. OrangeFren has detailed information on each swap site and also lists a few other platforms that aren't centralized swap services (like Robosats).

<torir:unredacted.org> Both sites make money from the swap sites that do the exchanges. The details are private, but it is clear that Trocador and OrangeFren have partnerships with the swap services they list.

<torir:unredacted.org> This gives them a little bit of leverage to delist services that scam customers, so both Trocador and OrangeFren offer insurance up to a certain amount.

<torir:unredacted.org> (Or the insurance comes from the swap services making a deposit to be listed--not sure)

<torir:unredacted.org> Do your own research: both sites have FAQ's to read. You can also look into decentralized exchanges like BasicSwapDex.

<torir:unredacted.org> One final thing: Trocador has a phishing site on Bing and DuckDuckGo, so make sure the URL is trocador.app and not a shady phishing site.

<torir:unredacted.org> There's also CypherGoat. I haven't personally used CypherGoat yet.

Does "shotgun KYC" mean "demanding ID only after already taking your money"

?

<torir:unredacted.org> BlueyHealer: Yes.

<torir:unredacted.org> You send the funds, they hold them and insist you provide documents to get the money back.

<torir:unredacted.org> Some services say they do it only when you try to swap stolen funds... but it is hard to verify that claim.

<torir:unredacted.org> Since I provide liquidity on some DEXes, sometimes I end up with funds of unknown source, and I don't want to go through that hassle.

<kevino:tchncs.de> is there any fallback in the node for sending transactions if see error "unable to send transactions via Dandelion++ stem." in node logs ?

<ofrnxmr> you have no outgoing connections?

<monero.arbo:matrix.org> relay_tx is the command you'd want @kevino:tchncs.de but if there's e.g. no outgoing connections it's still not going to be able to send

<monero.arbo:matrix.org> usage is like: monerod relay_tx transactionID

<monero.arbo:matrix.org> I think it will also try periodically rebroadcasting on its own

<shortwavesurfer2009> Hey, how much space does the testnet blockchain use?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 8GB

<shortwavesurfer2009> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Thx

<shortwavesurfer2009> I dont see where i will be much help, but im trying FCMP beta 3

<shortwavesurfer2009> stasher.news/items/340007/r/shortwavesurfer2009

<shortwavesurfer2009> Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I figure that a current Monero wallet will not be able to transact once the FCMP forked happens on October 5th on the beta number 3, correct?

<shortwavesurfer2009> If you enable developer mode on Monfluo it will allow you to create a testnet wallet, but I don't think it speaks FCMP yet.

<shortwavesurfer2009> So by my understanding, if I connected it to my testnet node, it would be able to transact until October 5th, when the network would fork into FCMP, and then it would no longer be able to transact.

<rucknium> @shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social: It would be able to transact with that wallet on the stressnet if you import the seed into a stressnet-capable wallet. I think they are the stressnet CLI, GUI, and another one that @plowsof:matrix.org was working with IIRC.

<shortwavesurfer2009> @rucknium: Yeah, thats about what i figured.

<shortwavesurfer2009> I think I will play around with the stress net, but I don't think I will be much help, as I'm kind of a pleb user.

<shortwavesurfer2009> Maybe a little bit more advanced than the average pleb, but just mainly enough to get me in trouble, lol.

<rucknium> Pleb users are the best kind of users because they do things the devs don't anticipate and hit edge-case bugs :D

<shortwavesurfer2009> I think I'm going to install the StressNet GUI on my laptop and run the StressNet daemon on my server. That way I can point the GUI at my server as a remote node.

<kevino:tchncs.de> testnet Blockchain would be slower sync i think , not really issue about its size

<kevino:tchncs.de> is there pruned mode in this testnet Blockchain?

<shortwavesurfer2009> @kevino:tchncs.de: Am running mine with --prune-blockchain and --sync-pruned-blocks but dont intend to make it public like my main restricted rpc on 18089

<rucknium> @kevino:tchncs.de: Yes

<shortwavesurfer2009> Well, I now have the GUI on my laptop set up to talk to the daemon on my server.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @rucknium: anonero-fork but it would need to be re-updated for the new stressnet

<shortwavesurfer2009> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Lord i do not like anonero

I got this message: There were 21 blocks in the last 90 minutes, there might be large hash rate changes, or we might be partitioned, cut off from the Monero network or under attack, or your computer's time is off. Or it could be just sheer bad luck.

maybe its the big red dildo?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> armtux: normal

<leah6866:matrix.org> Hello, some service providers doesn’t accept XMR, so I’ll have to swap it through Trocador.app.

<leah6866:matrix.org> Is it better to send the funds directly from Trocador.app to the provider's address, or send them to my own wallet first and then send them to the provider? [... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/4_Gyv68LQ2tuelVS ]

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @leah6866:matrix.org: If you send direct to provider from trocador is the same as using a condon, kinda.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> If you send it to you (and do it more than one time), link can be made that it was related transactions. Except if you create a new wallet every single time you do that.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But then if you do that there is still an extra "useless" hop, are you trying to launder money they might ask?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Id say, do it directly with trocador, use the "payment" option to be sure it the receiver will receive the exact amount it want

<leah6866:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: > Except if you create a new wallet every single time you do that.

<leah6866:matrix.org> > Thank you, but I don’t quite understand about this.

<leah6866:matrix.org> If a new subaddress is used each time, is there any difference compared with using a new wallet every time?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Well, I assume you have monero and want to swap to something else to pay at place that don't accept the monero... Or it's the other way around?

<leah6866:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: I have XMR

<leah6866:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Either I send it from Trocador to different subaddresses within the same BTC wallet, or I send it to a different BTC wallet each time.

<leah6866:matrix.org> Is there any difference? (purely out of curiosity)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Different BTC wallet is better. Personally I would not mind just using different btc "subaddress" but I did hear there privacy issue if you do that.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i dont understand the question

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> are you paying for a service?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, If you just paying for something, really, just use the "Payment" option

<leah6866:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: yes, VPS

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> if paying for a service, the "payment" type is what you need

<ravfx:xmr.mx> It's there for that, so you don't endup with ton of wallet with micro amount of dust left over

Monero is accepted in Lithuania, Vilnius

<ravfx:xmr.mx> If you use payment, just stay away from LN, at least it's what I do (Sometime LN fail and then they won't refund except if you give them a LN invoice, which is very anoying and time consuming).

<jpk68:matrix.org> Skirmant: Monero shall be accepted EVERYWHERE

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> it didnt work 😅

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> someone needs to code it to set auto_refresh to 5s after clicking the monero button

<intr:unredacted.org> Skirmant: this guy laughs in reverse

that's me filming

my laughter can be heard a km away

<intr:unredacted.org> right on

<intr:unredacted.org> it's funny cause the guy next to you is one of the authors of moneropay which would've done a better job

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> did the transfer work eventully? what was the problem

issue got fixed right after, it required block confirmation, but we adjusted it to require mempool only

since it's like 3euros

<intr:unredacted.org> also, what in fresh hell is your twitter feed

<intr:unredacted.org> I keep scrolling but it does not get better

<intr:unredacted.org> lol

eh,

too much time on my hands

is there any other place to spend xmr in lithuania/vilnius?

<intr:unredacted.org> does it use moneropay on the backend? > <Skirmant> issue got fixed right after, it required block confirmation, but we adjusted it to require mempool only

btcdwed: you can donate to me

of course, you donate cash to me, i'll donate xmr to you :P

sure, are you in Lithuania?

can you pls join #monero-offtopic ?