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[02:34:15] ajs_ something else you can do is take orders manually with PGP. Order them to be shipped to your place and reship with a business or commercial address. Diego does something like that w/ cyphermarket.
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ajs_[m]
rottenwheel yeah. but I live overseas. I would need to arrange something in the US to keep delivery costs low.
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ajs_[m]
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ajs_[m]
we can do manual orders now as suggested by rottenwheel
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chad[m]
Awesome! Sharing this with a few other people who may also be interested
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chad[m]
Seth should nudge Mullvad, proxysto.re, etc to advertise on xmr.radio
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kinghat[m]
does mullvad take monero directly yet?
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rottenwheel
kinghat[m]: No. Only proxysto.re. They are reliable. I have bought mullvad vouchers on there with monero.
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rottenwheel
They are listed as official resellers on mullvad website.
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rottenwheel
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rottenwheel
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rottenwheel
Hopefully they start selling Threema invite codes the same way soon. I'll hit them up in a couple weeks when my schedule looks better.
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kinghat[m]
still pretty nonsense to take BTC/BCH and not monero
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kinghat[m]
ivpn does but i dont think they advertise
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rottenwheel
Just use the proxy store...
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rottenwheel
No whining. Lol.
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kinghat[m]
advertise the proxystore then 🤷♂️
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msvb-lab
Reminder that we have a village staff meeting in one hour at 18:00 UTC on #monero-events. The agenda
monero-project/meta #593 plans our appearance at Defcon 29 (August 2021) in Las Vegas and Discord.
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msvb-lab
It's a public meeting that anyone interested in Defcon hacking can attend.
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ajs_[m]
just posted on reddit about xmr radio, but it got auto removed. who do I need to ping to get it approved?
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selsta
sethsimmons: ^
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sethsimmons
ajs_[m]: Send me the link, will approve
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ajs_[m]
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sethsimmons
<ajs_[m]> "
reddit.com/r/Monero" <- Approved.
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sethsimmons
You hit the double whammy of new account and Discord link lol
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ajs_[m]
Seth: thanks!
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rottenwheel
<kinghat[m]> "advertise the proxystore then 🤷" <- If they pay me, sure. Lol.
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rottenwheel
kinghat has been hired as rotten's manager. Ezpz.
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kurtubeydu[m]
My post on Reddit didn't get approved sadly. I will just paste it here.
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kurtubeydu[m]
Demonstration of storing media files on the Monero blockchain and why we should remove tx_extra in next hard fork:
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kurtubeydu[m]
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sech1
tx_extra is used by all mining pools
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sech1
we can't just remove it
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sech1
limit in size maybe, but not remove
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sech1
TX_EXTRA_TAG_PUBKEY is required for all transactions, TX_EXTRA_NONCE and TX_EXTRA_MERGE_MINING_TAG are required for mining
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sech1
TX_EXTRA_TAG_ADDITIONAL_PUBKEYS I think is required when you send to multiple subaddresses
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kurtubeydu[m]
Restricting the size can work. A 16 output transaction uses a maximum of 547 bytes in tx_extra.
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kurtubeydu[m]
That is < 0.4% of the current allowed size.
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kurtubeydu[m]
Better to make the needed fields part of the transaction format.
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kurtubeydu[m]
Not multi output transaction? Don't allow adding TX_EXTRA_TAG_ADDITIONAL_PUBKEYS field.
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sech1
extra nonce and merge mining have to be arbitrary size because of multitude of pool and miner software
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sech1
but they can also be restricted to only coinbase transactions and limited in size
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kurtubeydu[m]
Yes, or announce change 6 months in advance to give miners time to update their code. If they don't too bad for them.
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sech1
do you want to lose half of the pools? You just don't realize the reality of pool implementations and how they're maintained
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sech1
I'm strongly against such radical changes
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kurtubeydu[m]
Just imagine the drama if someone uploads J.D. Salinger's leaked works to the blockchain and the community will have to deal with their estate. Lord hold me.
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mcfranko[m]
If someone wanted to store a large file on the blockchain, they'd either pay a ton of fees, or they'd have to mine it themselves, which would take a lot of good hardware to have any chance of doing in a short period of time
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sech1
I have no idea who that is
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mcfranko[m]
Plus, the soft cap size limit will cause fees to go up to maybe a few cents per tx once we reach over 300kb block size
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mcfranko[m]
At that point the fees of putting a file on the blockchain will be extremely large
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sech1
and I still don't think that data on blockchain qualifies as actual data legally
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sech1
blockchain + method of extracting the data qualifies
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sech1
you can even put the hash of torrent file in to the transaction (only 32 bytes, so it can fit everywhere, not just in tx_extra)
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sech1
you don't even need tx_extra, just provide the script to extract the hash and then download the torrent
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mcfranko[m]
Also, a size limit wouldn't stop this anyways, because as you said in your post you could split the file across multiple transactions
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mcfranko[m]
sech1: IPFS would probably work better
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sech1
tx_publey is 32 bytes, put torrent hash there and write the script
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sech1
so from legal point of view, removing tx_extra doesn't solve anything
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plowsof[m]
1 byte of data could be chained together to form anything
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sech1
multiple transactions increase the price of storage though
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sech1
only allowing TX_EXTRA_TAG_PUBKEY in non-miner transactions and limiting the total size of tx_extra in miner transactions would already solve a lot of things
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kurtubeydu[m]
sech1: There is a difference between hosting content and linking to content. Torrents aren't forever, the blockchain is. Seeding is the illegal part.
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kurtubeydu[m]
sech1: I agree.
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sech1
*TX_EXTRA_TAG_ADDITIONAL_PUBKEYS and TX_EXTRA_TAG_PUBKEY in non-miner transactions
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plowsof[m]
"Craig Wright" will have monero banned if it contains the bitcoin whitepaper in tx_extra
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mcfranko[m]
carig wright
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mcfranko[m]
more like
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mcfranko[m]
craig wrong
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mcfranko[m]
In Canada ISPs do track your internet to see if you're transferring copyrighted works
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sech1
I still don't think Monero should care about it
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sech1
It was designed to be censorship-resistant
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sech1
and now you propose to bend to censorship
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pigeons[m]
all full nodes dont even get paid the tx fees and still need to relay your spam, not that concerned about its legality, but just storing your crap is an abuse vector
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pigeons[m]
just relaying and storing it
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sech1
reducing tx_extra size makes sense though to limit blockchain growth
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sech1
and restricting regular transactions
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mcfranko[m]
This is a bit of a side topic, but that's one thing I really like about EIP 1559's fee system, instead of tx fees going to miners, the majority of it is burned, increasing the value, and essentially paying tx fees to everyone
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pigeons[m]
they still have bribe to miners in the protocol for faster service so i tdont thin it will change muc, and even if they didnt they would still be paid out of band
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mcfranko[m]
The base_fee changes really quickly if the target gas limit * 2 (30,000,000 gas) is being met
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mcfranko[m]
So eventually it gets to a point after about 20 blocks where most of the fee is still being burned
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pigeons[m]
you cant know what most of the fee is, could be paid out of band
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mcfranko[m]
Like organizing off chain to pay fee you mean?
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pigeons[m]
yeah like all the deals people already have with pools to mine their transactions no matter what the fee in the transaction is
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pigeons[m]
or submit your tx here on this web form and pay your extra fee
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mcfranko[m]
That's true
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mcfranko[m]
Still though, ethereum demand goes up to 30,000,000 gas every block from people paying out of band tx fees, each transaction still has to pay base fee
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mcfranko[m]
And eventually you get to a point where people won't pay that base_fee, and the target 15,000,000 gas is being used, and there isn't a fee market anymore
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mcfranko[m]
And there wouldn't be any reason to include a high miner tip
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pigeons[m]
or any reason to mine
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pigeons[m]
or any reason to make transactions
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mcfranko[m]
There is still a small tip given to miners to give them a reason to include your transaction in a block
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mcfranko[m]
It would just be really small
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mcfranko[m]
And there wouldn't be a market for miner tips, because if the hard gas limit (30,000,000 gas) was being hit, the base_fee would increase very quickly (takes 20 blocks to increase 10x)
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mcfranko[m]
Probably couldn't be applied to Monero obviously though, because it's probably far too late to incorporate such a drastic change to how fees work, but just thought I'd bring it up, because I think it's a far superior fee system
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mcfranko[m]
Also significantly increases the cost of spamming the chain as a miner, because you need to pay the base fee as well, you can't mine your own transactions for cheap
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mcfranko[m]
Plus, the fees the spammer pays go to everyone, not just the miner