<Rucknium[m]> "who are facing gaps in funding" - That is a really good idea

Personally, I don't see the need to overcomplicate it. The main thing is to get the word out there. The grad students / post docs can look at the code, the math, chat here on IRC, and see if they can pitch a CCS

I honestly think the best way to do this is word of mouth, bottom up. As sgp_[m] said, the regular channels like to work with regular entities - established orgs, blah blah blah

this is just gonna be paperwork, bullshit, and red tape

we somehow need to get the idea that you can get paid magic internet money to do magic moon math if you want to

then the student / postdoc can do what they want with the money. if its to support a summer, great. or whatever. long story short, grad student / post doc "income" is laughable. every grad student / postdoc is lookin for extra

as far as a full time thing post graduation / postdoc, thats a different thing.

gingeropolous: youtube.com/watch?v=a2VL76QhU_U

but i could just be ranting for no good reason. i need to reread Rucknium[m] 's wall of text

not a comment, just a present for you gingeropolous

:) thanks

did you see my recent github activity regarding the removal of cats

yes some linked it

what we really need to do is find a way to recreate the matrix experience for some grad student

"the monero project has found you. Have you felt like the whole system is collapsing, the society and infrastructure your career depends on are deteriorating before your eyes and you feel powerless to change it?"

so yeah, point 4

oh you already posted that on the reddits

well yes. Get jim in marketing to whip up a matrix-like recruitment effort

gingeropolous: Do you have some experience with graduate-level academia? It sort of seems like you do, since you understand what is to be done and how it is to be done.

indeed.

yo, i found a server that could (someday) get upgraded to 4TB of ram.

your R scripts would be so happy

👍️ I agree that red tape is the last thing we need -- or rather the last thing that grad students and similar need. And yes, this is the proper formulation as far as I am concerned: "we somehow need to get the idea that you can get paid magic internet money to do magic moon math if you want to."

I'm liking what I'm seeing in the Reddit comments: "This has literally been my goal as a computer science student. Whenever I dread doing something I just tell myself it's a step in the direction of becoming a data scientist and having the skills to contribute to the monero project."

I think the point raised in the reddit by... i forget.. is a good one though. regardless of an individual having the skill and talent, the individual has to have had the ah-hah moment with cryptocurrency

and the similar associated ah-hah moment with the existing monetary system / economy

I've been linking people to the instructions to join the Monero Matrix server.

so say we come up with some amazing way to actually get into someones computer and re-create a matrix experience

They need to have fire in the belly. It will be a particular type of person, for sure.

yeah

well, i guess it could just boil down to a good video with an option of red pill / blue pill at the end

surely someones done this already for bitcoin

its the same pitch

<gingeropolous> "yo, i found a server that could..." <- Wow, 4 TB of RAM! 😍😍😍😍😍😍

I mean, R isn't _that_ RAM-hungry, but still :D

oh thats right, you have the matrix lag

No, that's not Matrix lag. That's I wanted to finish my train of thought before, um, shooting heart eyes all over the place.

lol

what we really need is a .edu email to contact from

.org is close ... but an .edu will get through filters and general email clutter

well i'll put writing a script and making a storyboard on my list of things to do

I can still send and receive email from my .edu

I might even still have crypto⊙ue but even if so, not sure if I could use that

my .edu email still works from years ago, lol

I don't think they ever expire

after you've attended uni

<gingeropolous> "I honestly think the best way to do this is word of mouth, bottom up. As sgp_[m] said, the regular channels like to work with regular entities - established orgs, blah blah blah" <- That "blah blah blah" part is the the really tough part man

Talent Acquisition is a horrible hustle, you really have to chop stone to get anywhere

Usually at least

That is the reason recruiters can charge up to 35% of the annual compensation of top talent they enroll, because Talent Acquisition is tough, messy, risky and takes long time usually

This is why I believethaving criteria like "they need to know about Monero, be passionate about it and willing to get paid in it", is a "nice to have" but should not be a filtering criteria, as you likely remove over 99% of the pool talent if we expect them to be Monero fanbois

In my humble experience, at least

well, are u thinking of somehow squaring the circle and getting full time people?

i just don't have a lot of confidence with that approach. sure, maybe its possible, but i dunno. depends on the folks out there i guess

but if we're dependent on non-monero fanbois as hired guns ... well, there's no substitute for passion

> <@rucknium:monero.social> a) Grad students (Master's but especially PhD) who are facing gaps in funding. They might not have research or teaching funding for the summer. Instead, work for Monero! Even some Post-docs face funding gaps, probably.... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…f8d7b958a994c178d665dd383c34d7f0906)

xmrhaelan: Good question! And good idea: It could be worth it to specifically target such school, to the extent that they exist. However, I am not the best person to ask since I'm a microeconomist, not a computer scientist, so I don't know schools' reputations with respect to FOSS promotion.

Ok I made a new public Matrix room for new people who "answered the call" from Reddit and for developing a plan for broader recruitment. Join by clicking here: #monero-recruitment:monero.social

can IRlC people join?

nioc: I don't know how to bridge. I mean, of course all IRC people are "invited", but I don't know to accomplish it technically.

<xmrhaelan[m]> "> <@rucknium:monero.social> a..." <- At my school obviously everybody that graduates from CS/CE and doesn’t go for PhD goes to industry because money but each student is definitely highly encouraged to contribute to open source software

<Rucknium[m]> "Ok I made a new public Matrix..." <- I clicked and nothing happens. It is because I have a :matrix.org handle?

* > <@rucknium:monero.social> Ok I made a new public Matrix room for new people who "answered the call" from Reddit and for developing a plan for broader recruitment. Join by clicking here: #monero-recruitment:monero.social

I clicked and nothing happens. is it because I have a :matrix.org handle?

Ok I invited you.

Ok in case clicking on the thing doesn't work to make you join the Monero Recruitment Matrix room, do this:

Look at the list of rooms you have on the left size of the app. Then click the "+" at the top of the list. Then type in the search bar "monero-recruitment". That should find the room and you should be able to join it.

<gingeropolous> "i just don't have a lot of confidence with that approach. sure, maybe its possible, but i dunno. depends on the folks out there i guess" <- I understand man

mastercard acquiring ciphertrace .. wut

Uh oh

Wut!

Wow

I think we should be concerned. CipherTrace strikes me as a bit amateurish, but with MasterCard money tat could change.

well, it helps confirm that shoring up our research and security capabilities is in order

and i'll take this chance to reiterate that we should have done everything we could have to make Sarang and Surae feel secure and taken care of if we were going to rely on them to ensure the security of the network

Maybe they just buy CipherTrace for the patents.

I think it's time we choose as a community to de-emphasize the voices of drama who clearly have personal conflicts of interest so that we can choose to prioritize what we need to set up as a community to make sure we can retain that kind of talent

if anyone should be banned it's people going around on twitter calling contributors bad actors for questioning who is really the cause of the uncertainty of researchers like sarang

I've heard reports of the amateurishness and ineffectiveness of Ciphertrace internally

so I would agree that more seasoned management is going to make them more effective at their mission

there are, however, plenty of other parties with the mandate to crack monero

ah damnit. thats what we shoulda done! made a bogus tracing company and get some dipshit company to buy us

lol

Then use the sale money to fund all the things!

eggsactly

but man oh man, the wagons are circling

can the old guard defend their monopoly on money? will the internet dreamers be able to build the future of money? Tune in next week for the next installment!

Honestly I would not be surprised if this was a case of CipherTrace seeing the writing on the wall that chain analysis would become impossible with Monero on the scene, and deciding to cash in while the going is good

"Atomic swaps are live? To the escape pods!"

The confidence is scary

<carrington[m]> "Honestly I would not be surprised if this was a case of CipherTrace seeing the writing on the wall that chain analysis would become impossible with Monero on the scene, and deciding to cash in while the going is good" <- Your prose is beautiful, sir

Furthermore, having numerous "patents pending" (not granted) is exactly the sort of thing a small company does when they want to jump ship and sell off

it's possible, yeah, although likely they are buying talent as well

CipherTrace just got access to a pile of cash and lobbying power. To think that this is them "jumping ship" is naive.

All this is good as it will only increase awareness on the inviability of surveillance blockchains to serve as a monetary base

And will bring attention to opaque ones

big_didley: yup. new talents + bigger infrastructure. Chamus has a point too, but we need to have our move/s too.

<carrington[m]> "Honestly I would not be surprise..." <- "Always operate from a position of strength [while you can]" as the saying goes

Mostly just worried that they now have a much bigger lobbying arm. What cant be traced with their software will be marginalized to the extent possible at state level. Mastercard level lobbying against privacy. Fun. As if the state needed much pushing in that direction.

Fake it till you make it type remarks about this sale feels like cope.

Adversaries getting more money and power is hard to call a win.

not sure what the acquisition has to do with Mastercard lobbying against privacy. They're gonna do that either way.

My guess is mastercard wants the tech to use for themselves and will wind down contracts with governments and companies/competitors

When paypal bought Curv, they stopped accepting new customers and started working towards winding down existing business to focus on PayPal's business

Mastercard just bought a company who's Achilles heel is Monero. You don't think Mastercard will try to marginalize Monero? They now make money from monitoring crypto, Monero hurts their ability to do so. So therefore...

I don’t think they will make money from monitoring crypto. I think they will use the tools for themselves only. I think they would be anti monero regardless

Logic is clear. We can tell ourselves Mastercard was never going to be a privacy advocate, but that's different than now having an interest in surveillance coins.

To be clear, I don’t think they will make money from licensing the tech. They will absolutely make money (and prevent fraud) from data analytics

I think they will make money from monitoring in a business analytics sense, then I think they will make money and get influence by selling the monitoring to govs.

Sure

They are a payment processor. Would not be surprised if they bought CT to add the tech to be able to add cryptocurrency into their gateway services

gingeropolous, Rucknium[m] <-- Jim in marketing sent me this imgur.com/a/nc05oiX

there's also .work .team etc..

Cool stuff man

just flag all monero transactions suspicious, no need for ciphertrace

Great employer branding! ;)

Thunderosa is our graphics guru

Those kind of messages and materials will be super useful to luring talent

The right talent

can you explain what you mean Chamus ?

#CensorshipBubble

Matrix is really living up to its name :p

<rupee[m]> "can you explain what you mean Chamus ?" <- Using "employer branding" materials to lure talent is an endemic approach

Chamus: he hadn't seen my message so was thinking you're talking to yourself. I sent it to him via pm

And Monero needs this way more than Amazon, or Walmart because tbh, people really do not know about Monero

Ah ok

Cheers

Thanks. i think i just got confused because I'm not seeing some messages that are only on IRC

people with [m] are living in Justin's matrix.. so to speak :)

Bingo?

:p

Thinking of setting up a RPC node, any tips?

geonic: and then there are those banned from irc and can only be seen on matrix

wow the beauty of interoperability

selsta> just flag all monero transactions suspicious, no need for ciphertrace <<>> #1 comment

I thought matrix was just a bridge to IRC? what's with the alternate realities.

should we sync up the realities?

unpossible

also any known community members that want to moderate this channel?

I'd have to kick myself out so I'll pass

It's one channel Michael, how much of a time commitment could it be, 5 min per week?

lol

geonic demonstrating unprecedented self-awareness

I have moments of clarity

so there was progress after all?

I had been told otherwise

let's see how therapy goes next week

hm should I moderate?

<Caesar[m]> "Thinking of setting up a RPC..." <- I have a guide around that, but happy to answer other questions you may have: sethforprivacy.com/guides/run-a-monero-node

<luigi1111w> "also any known community members..." <- It's just being a janitor, so surely someone can handle that

/s

these janitors can hold grudges though I'm telling you

<nioc> "geonic: and then there are those..." <- If there are people who are banned on IRC but aren't on Matrix let me know and I imagine I'd be happy to sync the realities on Matrix side

xmrscott[m]: this was in markets and besides that I think there are other issues with the bridge

Also, as a -community regular who hasn't been subject to ad hominem attacks on either reddit or Twitter yet, perhaps the least likely to have emotional bias that can take the hit for syncing Matrix / IRC on -community if Core doesn't want to take a position on this after a week(?)

<endogenic> "hm should I moderate?" <- You'd make a proper fair mod endo

nioc: There have indeed been issues across the rooms w/ the bridge and Matrix support hasn't been quick as we'd like to remedy. Still, if you see issues feel free to PM and I'll address as I can

thx :)

endogenic: stop with the guilt trip on the community re the Noethers. Of course the community would have liked to have kept them, and of course we could have done better to try and solve the issue, but let's call a spade a spade. they chose to leave. There are others here that stay regardless.

sethsimmons xmrscott[m] tag team?

midipoet: no

if you give someone enough grief and they choose to leave, what then

and who, who is still here, has been through what difficulties exactly?

besides the guilt trip is a damn wake up call to you

almost every other CCS proposal should take a back seat to ensuring we have one or two people who are actually examining the network and technologies for upcoming and existing threats

We should get 2 min to be sure we have some redundancy.

luigi1111w: I can, I mod other channels, but I'd prefer not to if there are others.

the fact we didnt look after those people says more about how we treat ourselves than it does about how we treat others

k

and so does our propensity to seek corrupt leadership - maybe we dont think we deserve it ?

it -> those who are not out to misuse us

you can call me extreme but while you're scapegoating me, you merely have to wait for the news to come out of contributors driven away at their own cost

you may have less idea what happens behind the scenes than you realize

so no, i won't

endogenic: the Noethers got f all grief while they were around, as far as I could see. Certainly no more grief than any other high profile contributor for the project.

you can't see

well then tell us, so we can at least understand what we are supposed to feel guilty for

Otherwise you are just spouting on, blaming a community for things we don't know/see.

it's not possible for me to tell you everything they experienced which i witnessed

Well then stop making everyone feel guilty for it

what's clear is that the community didn't get its stuff together to organize a solution that retained the blessing of an independent academic research group

He loves to blame and point fingers but will never give details.

midipoet i really think you're missing the point

you need to wake up and realize monero is in danegr

But expects details from others.

that is why i say this

No. You're missing the point

We KNOW things needed changing

And they are

End of

It was never going to efficient

As f all is in Monero

Especially when it's big chnages

(bar the Devs)

endogenic: if you keep harking on about Monero being in danger, guess what. It will be

spoken like a non security researcher

sure, surae and sarang chose to work on other stuff

and for what's it's worth. Monero researchers are always going to be at risk of being poached for other projects. There is absolutely nothing we can do to stop this ever. If the social contract doesn't mind researchers enough, then nothing will, regardless of whether there is a "proper" research lab, or not.

they were exposed to personal risk and were given many dramas made by people we looked up to

the fact is that we did not prioritize them

you're in denial

and it shows

endogenic: yes - they chose too

i know it's scary to admit the exposure we face but we put it on them instead of taking it on ourselves

Which is exactly what I am saying

and that is our failure

in fact, not ours, but yours

i'm doing something different

Of they had wanted to stay - THEY would have tried to make it work

that's bullshit

I don't remember ONE public convo about the issues

Certainly don't remember any community meetings or GitHub issues

then why are you insisting upon your opinion

So how could the community put into action a remedy, when the community wasn't asked?

because it's fun to rally behind people like seth as you tear apart those who say stuff that challenges you?

the community was asked

i dont appreciate your bad faith arguments

I am not tearing anybody apart.

i'm going back to work

I am saying it's done. And move on

no

it's not done yet

We are actively trying to put into action a better set up

go move on somewhere else and take Seth with you

That is the outcome

endogenic just give an actionable thing the Monero community can do or move on, dude.

Yes, it's a shitty way to get there, but that's the way it is.

Going on and on about it helps no one and changes nothing.

If you see how it could be improved, go for it.

go read some of my reddit posts Seth

for once

in your life

have some humility

No one is stopping you, but no one needs to constant reminders of some vague failing every day.

and when you become someone I feel even remotely like I can trust maybe I'll start telling you about the plans I have been working on

endogenic: What Reddit posts? Give some links.

donate first

bye

I haven't seen anything from you outside of the failed CCS in many months.

endogenic: Could care less if you trust me

^ exacrtlyt

that's who you really are

If you can't give any details or actionable points, just move on dude.

no, you move on

endogenic: LOL donate to you to get details and links?!?

wth

Is wrong with you

new article coming out - SethSimmons considered harmful

Just... wow

"Donate first" lmao

ok guys let's put the crazy back in the bottle

In other news, has the community come to any kind of agreement on whether triptych work should continue?

We need to have more meetings, I think, but I would say general consensus is Triptych is a non-starter.

My personal recommendation is:

- Hard-fork ASAP to bump ring-size to 17 and implement BP+

- Explore Seraphis and Lelantus Spark to ensure they are both feasible

- Do a clear comparison of the two

if the Haveno team is OK with Triptych I see no reason why it can't go forward. an extra step or two for multisig doesn't make it a non-starter...

I'd like to hear their opinion first before we write Triptych off

I think there's too much on going near term research to pick right now

multisig has way more use cases than Haveno, which doesn't even exist

BusyBoredom[m]: :) no, an MRL meeting is trying to be scheduled to discuss the matter

relatively streamlined multisig should be a priority and not an afterthought imo

ComplyLast: 100%.

Haveno made me realize this, but is not the only reason for better multisig support.

Triptych multisig seems to be a non-starter, and both Seraphis and Lelantus Spark greatly reduce multisig complexity AFAICT.

Among other benefits.

does triptych affect atomic swaps?

<luigi1111w> "Seth xmrscott[m] tag team?" <- I can as well

> <@sethsimmons:monero.social> My personal recommendation is:... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…ad348a0a9793944248b7251c763ba0b31c3)

I'm not sure why it keeps being called a non-starter. Triptych can have multisig as we've learned. The question is, can it become a streamlined process with enough hours put in or will it always be clunky.

too bad we dont have a Noether on deck

06:17 <rbrunner> A little unfortunate that nobody painted a clear picture so far just *how bad* that multisig would be. As I said, no chance for me to read the report and deduct that myself.

06:19 <UkoeHB> It's not clear to me either. IIRC sarang said it would require 1 or 2 more rounds of communication to make tx.

endogenic: we don't and we have to live with it. no amount of self-flagellation will fix it

didn't Sarang do that geonic?

oh yeah geonic you have Seth Noether now

or endo noether

and yes self flagellation of the right sort will be a good help

.summon infinite noethers

luigi1111 luigi1111w luigi1113 luigi1112 luigi1114 ༼つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

start with admitting that we failed and then we can actually do something about it

until then, we will be handicapped

ComplyLast: these comments were from a few days ago..

it's plain as day outside of the echo chamber

endogenic: everyone admits it. now let's move on

that's incorrect

ajs_[m]: Not for COMIT atomic swaps, all data is stored on bitcoin.

Seth clearly doesn't

he is partially to blame

Is the irc bridge busted?

how

admitting it means we need to go back and look at exactly what we could have done to reduce the Noether's stress and exposure

the sincerity of our effort there was pitiful

and it's insane how quickly we fall behind someone who wants to apologize for ourselves

ComplyLast: What don't I?

endogenic: do it and publish a report

in the end its not only the community to blame - those two are adults too and could have come forward

crypto_grampy[m]: No, geonic is banned on matrix but not IRC so things look weird.

esp a community as generous as this

DaveyJones +1

geonic: ok, let me do that while i manage being defrauded and having my personality security threatened

seriously, watch.

sethsimmons, I don't really have the time to discuss that now, I don't even think this is the right medium or place to have that conversation. Maybe some other day.

lol personality security

that too.

if you have time to be here you have time for that too :)

they only needed to ask and someone would have made it happen!

100%

they didnt - and now we have a shitshow

it's easy to say sarang left but that dude stuck it out after a lot. we stopped collectively deserving him

and it's time to admit it

if we don't, we're doing a great job at navel gazing and trying to make ourselves feel better

and i'm not gonna be able to enable y'all in that

especially not after i keep getting thrown under the bus

endogenic: no man. he realized he could earn more and be begged to take money instead of begging for money. that's it.

ComplyLast: OK, DMs are open as always.

that's untrue geonic

any one of us could be earning more money easily

especially me lol

and so could sarang or surae at any point during the years

<sethsimmons> "What Reddit posts? Give some links. I haven't seen anything from you outside of the failed CCS in many months" <- You already got burned whenyou tried and corner me thinking you would expose by asking me me "well what is it that you have done to turn Monero into a talent powerhouse" forcing me to reveal how your buddy Justin had

swept a 40k pro bono Talent Acquisition Proposal under the rug cause it would shed light on how incredibly amateur his approach with Magic was.

they stayed because they thought it was a good community

admit it

endogenic, I dont think it went down ideally, it certainly didn't. but blaming only the community is also a curious way to look at it. He could have revised rates at any point to be honest. Break down payments in a more granular fashion with bi-weekly goals, etc

you're lucky i'm a strong mfer

i'd never have survived the past 2 years otherwise

that's because it wasn't about the amount of money being paid, by itself, ComplyLast

good evidence for that

there's conflicting evidence

it was about a lot of stuff and money was part of it

<sethsimons> "What Reddit posts? Give some links. I haven't seen anything from you outside of the failed CCS in many months" <- Be careful in being quick to judge, you might also get burned with Endogenic's work ;)

while people like Seth insist I dont have a plan or am never being specific (aside from saying he could benefit from a humbling experience), it's very obvious what we had to do for them

correct money solves loves of problems

loves lol

lots

Man

my tired brain

Seth is a wanna be social media influencer

he will act as such

nevermind him

He is just the janitor

for now at least ;)

endogenic, how exactly do people throw you under the bus?

it's a long story and if i told you details my life and security would be in even more danger

Glad I welcomed a potential CCS proposer into here to view this.

i'm gonna go back to work now i think

Chamus: you should be ashamed of yourself for defending the integrity of the discourse in this forum

clearly.

/s

Anyway I'm out

so much drama here always

<sethsimmons> Glad I welcomed a potential CCS proposer into here to view this. <= let 'em know what they're getting into

Lol causes drama and tells me to "fuck off" on Twitter and blames others for drama XD

Nice.

Pro gamer tip: If you don't want drama, maybe don't constantly make personal attacks and instead provide actual concrete actionable items

luigi1111w: Trial by fire 👿

With all this arguing I'd make a killing selling popcorn.

not if you sell them for monero - you would get broke in no time

endogenic, I have been as attentive lately as I probably should have been, what is exactly your proposal to make sure noether like scenarios dont repeat again?

*i have not been as

as in, what should the community do better in the future to prevent such stuff from happening. you've been around for a long time so I'm sure your input would be valuable.

<ComplyLast> "endogenic, I have been as..." <- What is the Noether-like scenario?

you were not even on the channel when I sent that lol

History seems to populate after joining this particular channel

That is indeed how Matrix is set up to work

fluffys_prison_a, essentially researchers requests/needs not being sufficiently met by the community

ComplyLast: I think the main discussion was a foundation like research lab, which was funded indefinitely/to a substantial amount

This would have taken the strain of the proposal cadence and also removed most reporting requirements

i.e more trust provided to the researchers who had earned it

At least that's what I remember some discussions being revolved around.

But it wasn't done in an open/community meeting manner

That was mostly off-line/side channels

why couldn't Magic, at least partially, be that entity?

with Sarang being a board member

Yes, I think that was also discussed

FWIW I have suggested to Core in the past they explore taking up an OpenCollective account for MRL

And mostly supported

I don't know why it didn't happen

<xmrscott[m]> FWIW I have suggested to Core in the past they explore taking up an OpenCollective account for MRL

this seems like a smart way to do it too

But maybe that is what endogenic is talking about

I think is what qubes (?) does

They have understandably been occupied the past few months with a whole slew of events not limited to security around fp post detention

What'd OpenCollective?

*what's

Yes, I donate to Qubes via it alongside Lutris and a few other projects

Basically a non-profit entity that allows for reocurring or adhoc donations to FOSS of note

Ah I see. Seems cool

Think Patreon, but geared towards FOSS and thus arguably better given focused scope

xmrscott[m], do they handle Monero though?

I think they do bitcoin

They do not

that would be a issue imo

At least not 2 months ago when I checked and highlighted to Core they were looking for CRyptocurrency solutions and they should definitely reach out

but maybe they could be persuaded to

Yes and no

<Epsilon> "With all this arguing I'd make a..." <- Make sure you bring your cart for next weeks, monero beefs

Perfection is the enemy of done

Start w/ something that allows for reoccuring donations to those not worried about KYC

I've recommended several options that have support for Monero. However it seems they are proceeded with Gemini.

Add in adhoc XMR payments when possible

xmrscott[m], that would drastically limit the scope though

s/proceeded/proceeding/

doesn't open collective manage qubes btc wallet too?

I had that impression

What would in what way?

manage the conversion to fiat, etc

my bad it seems xmrscott[m]

<t-900-a> "github.com/opencollectiv..." <- It sounds like they are still considering other providers- including Globee

Does anyone in here know a guy at Globee that could prioritize OpenCollective and maybe help get the ball rolling?

fluffys_prison_a: Since you're in prison, the only other person outside of the now in the past DC29 where they show up would be: support⊙gc

Or just this form in general: globee.com/contact

I took a closer look at OpenCollective, but the fees may be higher than setting up one's own thing

Opencollective doesn't appear to charge any fees

BUT.... 501(c)(3) get lower credit card processing rates, that may not be passed along here

so the fee may in effect be 0.5-1% more than doing on own

I can look more closely and see if the discounts pass-through

<fluffys_prison_a> "Does anyone in here know a guy..." <- Discussion was had with fluffy pre-incarceration. They may already be in contact with an account manager.

* Discussion was had with fluffy pre-incarceration. They may have had contact with an account manager.

<t-900-a> "Discussion was had with fluffy..." <- Seems like this would be the best way to get XMR's shoe in the door

s/shoe/foot ?

I vote foot

many people vote with their feet

aye, foot.

Just finished touching up my ender 3, anyone have any ideas on what I can print to support monero? The only thing on thingiverse is just some keychains..

customizable puzzle box things that stores seed

On it!

There was a guy selling something exactly like that 3d printed, I'll see if I can find it...

sphinxgadgets.com

I think we need to talk about who is going to spearhead my recruitment proposal. That "who" can include multiple people. The proposal got a groundswell of support, but as I stated in the proposal, I cannot spearhead the whole thing. I can just play a substantial role in some key parts of it.

As a side note, community's thoughts on stickying this thread ^?

People don't usually read stickys unfortunately

I agree with the statement earlier that Monero is in danger. The long term viability of Monero as a privacy coin is in doubt if our (1) cryptographic capabilities are not restored and augmented and (2) our statistical capabilities are not rapidly ramped up.

dEBRUYNE: Sticky until there are recruits IMO

I support stickying, but of course I'm biased.

Is reddit the largest central Monero community?

234k members probably

"active" I have no idea

Should probably sticky it for a little while then

Post to any other large communities.

^ I grant permission to post it anywhere.

What would the sticky do

Onboard more people into the Matrix server, for one.

Stickying the matrix server info would be super useful I think. List the most active channels too for people to know what they're missing

sgp_[m]: Attract more talent to Monero?

<dEBRUYNE> "Attract more talent to Monero?" <- Maybe sgp meant "what would the sticky do for me"?

I suppose I would rather sticky something that was tailed to be a sticky, rather than "here is a random stickied list of recruitment to-dos"

even if the post was like "we are looking for people for x, y, z specifically"

<dEBRUYNE> "Attract more talent to Monero?" <- You thought he meant for Monero?

lol

:p

wow so funny haha

it is funny come on

I agree that if a post is to be stickied long-term it should be written for that purpose

Maybe sticky it until we can develop a list of more specific needs. I do list the specific disciplines we should be looking for in that post.

Chamus: Nah

We can sticky it temporarily and replace it later

Rucknium[m]: I'm good with that middle ground.

stickied posts should either be highly informative (eg wiki) or highly action-driven

dEBRUYNE: Yeah that sounds good

Its a great initiative

and for the last part, should be super clear

also the former fwiw

just my 2c, I would expect a clear "do this one obvious thing"

I lay out a pretty clear plan. It doens't have all details, but it is more specific than anyone else has proposed, I think.

even if it was sign up for a mailing list on this, or join this specific chat, etc

Plenty of comments in the thread that provide instructions on how to proceed though

sgp_[m]: Could just edit to ensure it points people to the new room for more info/questions/participation

I mean, it does now say at the top (I edited it) for people to join the Matrix server. Once they get here, we can slot them into tasks and so forth

It may already, I haven't read through

Rucknium[m]: Perfecr

if you think it will go somewhere go for it

Sorry, haven't read it in a while

Normally the sticky spot is reserved for the release thread, but I presume that, given the included auto-updater, most people are aware a new release was published

yeah release threads shouldn't be up forever :p

only 7 days but still

Here is whet it says at the top of that post now:

EDIT: If you are interested in this initiative and/or want to contribute technical skills yourself, please sign up on the Monero Matrix server and join the #monero-recruitment room using these instructions.

^ And it links to sgp's instructions for joining the Matrix server, which a lot of people already sucessfully used yesterday to jump on here.

looks like a clear call to action

sethsimmons: Can you sticky the thread in place of the GUI thread?

dEBRUYNE: Will do shortly, away from comp ATM

Should be stickied within an hour.

Sgp's Matrix instructions are really good, thank you.

<dEBRUYNE> "Normally the sticky spot is..." <- And on the Linux side there's package managers. Can always unsticky and sticky release thread for a set time (e.g. 2 weeks) and then resticky the guide OP

If anyone still has reservations about release stickys

I think at this point just change the sticky and no need to overthink it further :)

with the call to action it makes sense