You couldn't make up a James Bond villian that would even come close to these people without being laughed out of your pitch meeting.

<surgeon_[m]> "You couldn't make up a James..." <- Couldn't agree more.

hi guys, anyone using linux want to help beta test?

ive been testing the functionality and debugging extensively the past couple days but it would be nice if people could find bugs

i recommend using a vm if you wanna be on the safe side

does this download the whole blockchain? I want to help but on a laptop with small ssd

<hintojanaiyo[m]> "ive been testing the functionali..." <- it would be nice to know what options are available to install

i.e. monero-bash install without a package should tell me what options there are

yeah ui/messages are rough, focused on making it work first

`monero-bash version` should show everything

<demitasse[m]> "does this download the whole..." <- it does

Any wordpress / website builders want to earn 1k in XMR? reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ttg75q…king_web_site_wordpress_builder_for

this room

is taking fucking

20% of my server's resources

to resolve all the extremities

what the fuck

<Cknight70[m]> "20% of my server's resources" <- Sorry, we'll slow down our backup system

<Cknight70[m]> "what the fuck" <- Well there are 1 k people in here and the monero community will make greater use of smaller servers -> more federation (at least thats how i think it works)

synapse has been way heavier resolving since 1.55

not just this room

<Kivojo[m]> "09fcb1a8-1d05-47eb-88b3-..." <- It means you want to ride on Blockchain's popularity, but you won't mention that it was made in order to stop your rampant inflation, that you will continue. Blockchain or not. Ah yeah. And we're to be blamed for inflation.

<Kivojo[m]> "09fcb1a8-1d05-47eb-88b3-..." <- pretty straightforward, I'll give her that

keep monerin'

this is going to be a bumpy road

<~/.bitmonero/lmdb/data.dir> Hello,

anyone down to build the monero logo with us on r/place?

<ian.niculescu> made a reddit account just for this

Doing this on r/place join discord.gg/2rdZT55P

Need all the reddit accs we can get

I'll see if I can get some staff from HQ on this.

hey

sethforprivacy: did you check the blog about threema ?

i sent you that day

I've read it in the past but not for a while. Feel free to re-send it.

ok here

sethforprivacy: soatok.blog/2021/11/05/threema-three-strikes-youre-out

^ so you must not blindly follow/promote any new tech.

<inlight> "^ so you must not blindly follow..." <- its almost as if people should do their own research instead of follower wannabe influencers

> <@inlight:libera.chat> ^ so you must not blindly follow/promote any new tech.

* its almost as if people should do their own research instead of following a wannabe influencers

s/follower/following/

r4v3r23[m]: Who hurt you

if you think offloading your own thinking to others is a good thing then you do you

We offload our thinking all the time. No one has time to understand every detail of everything.

when it comes to personal privacy and security you have more personal responsibility

taking some talking heads opinions as gospel is the wrong way to go

The guy that wrote the Threema post also recommends Zcash. I guess I'll be leaving now.

Of course, but the ability to converse with others and compare research is a fundamental part of advancing our privacy

just look at matt odell, a "respected" influencer in the bitcoin privacy space

motherfucker supported cash app and wasabi as a privacy solution for the longest time

Yeah people should never be able to make bad decisions or change their recommendations

you know how many users privacy he damaged by shoving his worthless opinion out there?

No one should take another person’s word as gospel, but as long as there’s solid sources you can’t go wrong with accepting what is said

DaveJevansCEOCip: personally do what you want. dont go out there with "recommendations" that others should follow

and sell your self as a privacy advocate

Then why are you criticizing others and making recommendations

DYOR is a thing for a reason

Why are you still talking if recommendations don't matter an people should be using their own brains

skweege[m]: thats what doing research is vs following an influencer

So you're saying seth doesn't do research?

Matt doesn't do research?

the point is thats their own opinions

dont try and tell others what to do

What if they do research and someone else does research and shares that research and changes the original researchers opinion

its attention seeking more than anything

Can you do research and be wrong?

of course

I've researched things before and later found that my research was incorrect

privacy and security are personal

we all have different threat models

So do you recommend that Seth and Matt stop sharing their research findings?

ill do my own research and come to my own conclusions based on my own needs, thanks

but if you have a talking head about there screaming that X solution is best and its not

It would be best if no one talked about privacy, shared their opinions/thoughts out of their own privacy journey, or recommended literally anything 🙃

youre doing more damage than good

Point me to the post where someone is screaming that X solution is the best

World would be much better off if we just all said "DYOR" to any question or topic.

DaveJevansCEOCip: go back to my original message that you quoted

On a serious note, how did I personally hurt you, r4v3r23? You take literally any chance you can to attack me personally on unrelated discussions. Why?

I wasn't even in the discussion and you attacked me lol

DYOR

sethforprivacy: you didnt. i dont know you. its your kind i have a problem with. coming from the bitcoin privacy space ive seen people begging for guides and rules to follow to get "perfect privacy" as if its something they can just mindlessly follow and be ok

real privacy and security are offensive, you have to know your own risk models and create your own solutions

following some ones "best practices" is antithetical to DYOR

Sethforprivacy: I for one LOVE the way you’ve helped me and others become more private. Thanks Seth!

r4v3r23[m]: Seth had a podcast on this: optoutpod.com/episodes/s1e04-nathan-thenewoil

r4v3r23[m]: What is "my kind"?

I think it would be helpful if you suggested a handful of topics for future podcast episodes. How to get people to DYOR, etc.

I never post anything claiming it covers all threat models or is the perfect thing for anyone. I've been quite clear on threat models and their implications in blog posts and podcasts.

I don't tell people "do this and you'll be perfectly private", ever.

r4v3r23[m]: This is an utterly ridiculous statement, best practices are a great start, and often the best place for noobs to start as they learn more.

sethforprivacy: not if you dont understand why they are "best" to begin with

Following best practices doesn't mean you don't (or shouldn't) DYOR.

often people making recommendations are just parroting

r4v3r23[m]: Then DYOR 😉

sethforprivacy: thats exactly my point

There's no reason to personally hate anyone trying to educate or inform people ont he need for privacy and the tools available lmao

i dont hate

You go out of your way to attack me and anyone else trying to do something good.

r4v3r23[m]: Give some constructive feedback then

"good" is relative

r4v3r23[m]: Then what is it? Why spend so much of your time attacking others if it's not hate?

sethforprivacy: you just think that any criticism against what you think is true is some sort of attack

You consume and discourage actively, I don't really get why.

r4v3r23[m]: Nothing you've said about me is true, so I'm not really sure your aim here.

You just hated me as soon as you made your account here/joined lol

I have literally no clue why.

youre taking this personally. like i said, i dont know you

So you don't know me, but go out of your way to call me out and attack me constantly?

How does that make sense?

"constantly"

way to prove my point

not everything is about you seth

Practically any time I speak in this channel you come out of the woodwork.

we were talking about DYOR before you jumped in

now its about you

sethforprivacy: lmao its a targeted attack

gtfo

I don't speak up here often though.

<r4v3r23[m]> "its almost as if people should..." <- This is about me, is it not?

Convo had nothing to do with you

Spoke up and "called me out" for some reason

if you identify as one of them then yes

?

You responded to a message to me, saying that lmao

Don't pretend it's not attacking me

like i said, your kind

i pointed out matt odell as well

there are many others

the general trend towards privacy "thought leaders" is what i am against

And the alternative to people sharing their findings to help others is...?

theres a difference between sharing and positing yourself as some kind of authority

4 years i did my own research and came to the conclusion that AOSP on pixels were best for my security needs

shared my findings in the samourai telegram chat and loads of people quickly picked up on it

fast forward to today and its the defacto standard for mobile crypto security

So... you shared your privacy journey and helped others?

Kind of like what I do...

my focus was on sharing the reasonings and research, not making a name for myself

Neither is mine?

That's why I don't understand your personal attacks.

How have I profited or benefited from all of my free work?

Your problem is with me personally, for some reason, and not the content I share apparently. Which is all the more confusing

you keep trying to make this personal

get over yourself

???

Ok lmao

You obviously have no ability to discuss in good faith and are just blatantly lying about what you're doing.

Have a good one.

right

sethforprivacy: who attacked who ?

seth has one of most interesting podcast i listen to! but i don't agree with him!

Not you, just r4v3r23

i listen to pass time

and did you read the blog!

Not yet finished

but seth thinks using some "privacy tools" give people privacy

and i don't agree with you on grin also.

inlight: What do you mean?

inlight: How so?

like- i have listened to all of your podcasts, and many time you ask questions from the guest

what tools you use to "protect your privacy"

and many such moment has come- that was amusing for me!

at that time i didn't knew you hung around here, otherwise i wouldve told you so

Not sure what you mean, what was amusing?

And what's wrong with the question?

will recall and tell you later, take with a pinch of salt, nothing personal lol!

Ok!

mainly your thought about grin, that it has deep privacy flaws.

inlight: And? I don't agree with them.

fine!

One of the critical flaws in GRINs approach to privacy was a lynch-pin in the case against the DAO hacker.

grin doesn't have privacy flaws, maybe your idea of privacy is different than mine.

?

Grin is the perfect privacy tool, and you link to a tweet saying there are no perfect privacy tools???

grin is a protocol, not a tool!

?

Its a cryptocurrency...

oh you dont understand

monero, grin all are a protocol, (here cryptocurrency protocol)

and those tools you use are the implementation of the protocol

the protocol in itself isn't insecure or have flaws.

Absolutely false.

No protocol is free of flaws or perfectly secure.

here, i am talking about grin/monero.

anyways

Ok

grin works as long as nobody keeps historical data

lol

<inlight> "but seth thinks using some "..." <- yup

Or actively surveils the network, or monitors receiving nodes, etc. etc.

anyone knows about: monnaie-libre.fr

"A Decentralized Digital Currency Without Capitalism"

because- centralization is inevitable under capitalism

True decentralization requires adhering to the principles of cryptoanarchists, which requires an anarchist digital currency; not an anarchocapitalist one.

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