hello

WOW

Nice Seth For Privacy: !

He only does in-person interviews so it's a bit tricky, but trying to sort out a time now + flights/hotel/etc.

Have been going back and forth planning it for a while, was supposed to be recorded around BANB but he had to back out due to some personal stuff.

Very, very much looking forward to it 🙂

lol. He didn't do only in-person interviews during the pandemic

But very cool - he has always had a soft spot for Monero in part due to his .. introduction to crypto

the guys an absolute moron

i think even he would be in agreement

lel

Getting the word of monero out to people is huge, if it gets 10 people thinking about privacy, great. if it gets people to start demanding protocol changes in bitcoin, that's also great.

^^^^^

even if the guy is a moron

<cryptogrampy[m]> "Getting the word of monero out..." <- i think you cant teach people to give a fuck about their privacy

unfortunately most people will have to get burned a few times before realizing its importance

r4v3r23[m]: you definitely can. i started learning about monero after coming across the citadel dispatch podcast

i was looking for bitcoin audio to listen to on my morning walk

and the rest is history

cryptogrampy[m]: not sure. citadel is a perfect example - odell just pays lip service to privacy while not actually doing anything about it

he does more harm than good

his podcast convinced me that no normal person will ever be able to use bitcoin privately

yeah if you can see it in that way cool

i think they mentioned monero once or twice and that's how i learned about it

<cryptogrampy[m]> "you definitely can. i started..." <- Wow, TIL!

I should tell Matt he's converting people to Monero through Dispatch 😈

cough cough

teaching others by failing yourself 🤣

matt is probably the most visable privacy advocate around.

hard to see how he does more harm than good.

he seems to understand the tradeoffs well and made his judgment call.

<r4v3r23[m]> "teaching others by failing..." <- UR mean :)

> <@hanshan:usethe.tools> matt is probably the most visable privacy advocate around.... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…8a6b20144f6376e9b3b3fb6ef1c27d85dce)

he's a bitcoin shill first and foremost

the fact that you say that makes me think *you* don't know what you're talking about.

there are plenty of brain dead maxi zombies and matt isn't one of them.

you're absolutely right, carry on

> <@hanshan:usethe.tools> the fact that you say that makes me think *you* don't know what you're talking about.

> there are plenty of brain dead maxi zombies and matt isn't one of them.

He's not really worth the time to argue with.

He just spews toxicity and attacks everyone around him.

not everyone, just those that need to be called out :)

I unignored him and then quickly realized why I ignored him lol

tell me that advocating for LN usage is good for privacy

* why I originally ignored him

Plenty of others in the community that give critical feedback in meaningful ways 🙂

"meaningful"

thanks

monero maximalism pisses me off as much as bitcoin maximalism.

imo you and matt do the best job of actually talking through it in a critical way.

(of the big visible people anyway. lots of good people. )

r4v3r23[m]: matt is very clear that LN doesnt provide good privacy for the receiver.

still is a LN shill while claiming to be a privacy advocate

ive interacted with him and he's just a shill looking for a following

theres a reason he left the privacy chats i was a part of with his tail between his legs

lol

ok bro

you're so smart

bye now

no, i just do my own research and come to my own conclusions

shoot me

Ln privacy is better than bitcoin l1(if you host channel yourself)

Most people will use custodial wallet and give them all tx information

ceoofdogenero[m]: The answer is... maybe

Depends on a gazillion things

monero depends on using it

so simple

<nioc> "monero depends on using it..." <- bingo

but you cant make a name for yourself just telling people to do the simple thing

<nioc> "monero depends on using it..." <- monero also depends on a smallish community of developers

and smallish hash rate

in comparison to bitcoin anyway.

everything is tradeoffs.

alhow do you compare HR when the algos are different?

some people understand and explain those tradeoffs.

and some make bullshit generalizations and talk trash.

Just my 2 cents, but our smallish hash rates are better decentralized.

nioc: kWh

HR ultimately depends on the value of the coin

han-shan[m]> monero maximalism pisses me off as much as bitcoin maximalism.

based.

mj-xmr[m]: absolutely. who cares if you hav ethe largest hash rate if its all centralized and at the whim of the state

<mj-xmr[m]> Just my 2 cents, but our smallish hash rates are better decentralized.

elaborate without spastically slinging shit at ASICs. I'll be waiting.

"smallish group of developers" bitcoin was literally coded by one guy/small team

interesting chart on mining: moneroj.net/commit

kind of hard to wrap my ancient and decaying head around

cheekyleeks: I'm sorry, but I cannot. This is mutually exclusive :)

i'm personally glad there is a group of people pushing privacy on bitcoin and teaching people what it actually takes to live privately in a transparent box

yes we need more devs. I have been watching the # of devs increase over time and there are currently several new or relatively new initiatives in place that will continue the increase of devs

based

yeah you shouldn't do it, but if you have to, here's what you need to do

mj-xmr[m]: I figured as much. Monero people cannot talk about "mining decentralization" without dunking on ASICs. It's called short-sightness. Have a good day. xo

mj-xmr[m]: based

Muh asics bad hurr durr.

maxi confirmed

No Mate, it's just correlated.

I'm not your mate, pal.

asics are not commodity hardware, never has been

ASICs would be awesome if they were as common as CPUs

I won't waste my time debating with brain fog. lol.

good choice

wheres the ignore button?

oh, just realized who I was talking to lolol

"debate me bro but dont use points that i cant counter"

the fog has lifted \o/

lmao

don't get triggered, cheekyleeks is just making us look at ourselves

nioc: who is getting triggered? I have half the channel ignored. lol.

no he's just regurgitating retarded talking points

Time is scarce. Won't engage with retards.

ok lets talk about car repair. if you need to hook your car up to a million dollar computer in order to diagnose and repair problems, is that more or less decentralized than a classic where everything is mechanical?

my ignore button has never been used

I say: as long as there are no 100% capital controls imposed by the states, everybody can buy/mine whatever coin Zey/Zem want :)

how about mobile phones? whats more decentralized, apple phones or pine phones?

snex: TIL an ASIC is a "million dollar computer".

did i say that?

did I not say that?

no. so strawman somebody else

lol.

Fuck off.

respond to the argument presented, not the argument you wish i made

no, you fuck off

Ok, retard.

easy now Mr leeks

your immediate reaction was to strawman instead of address the issue

the issue is CENTRALIZATION

dont bother, he's here to echo preconceived notions, not actually learn anything

<snex> how about mobile phones? whats more decentralized, apple phones or pine phones?

Apple phones because they are widely distributed. Pine phones are owned by a dozen neckbeards in Idaho.

why are we fighting today

rofl ok so repair youor own apple phone

your*

show us all how to open it up and replace the battery

easy repair. just bang the iphone with a hammer and get a beater android from 2015.

luigi1112: Because what's a party without anybody dead?

luigi1112: the usual reason LD

why would you get a beater android from 2015?

luigi1112: sir will you please just merge the asic code into monero so we can finally decentralize

snex: why would I not get a beater android from 2015?

cryptogrampy[m]: take it up to "da" council.

is it because... you can repair it yourself with simple tools and instructions??

I will slap all ya'll

there are literally billions of people waiting to buy asics right now. we want to mine!!!! let the people mine!!!

luigi1112: slap deez nutz.

oops got banned from oscars

lol.

Monero + asic = decentralized

I need to go out and Cat sit for a while, have a good time folks :)

seems like you understand why general purpose tools are good for mobile phones but cant make the leap to the same logic for crypto

snex: Imagine. Now let's talk like some pompous ass in a philosophy class room and type: "strawman" argument.

Monero more decentralized. Monero #1 coin marketcap in two weeks. ASICs bad. Hurr durr.

oh, sorry, did i use a word you didnt understand?

I totes don't know what a strawman argument is. I need to take a shower and a crash course on pompous philosophy Internet debates. Will hit you up once I am on your level, friend.

imagine thinking bitcoin is decentralized XD

"market cap" is irrelevant

Your mom is irrelevant too.

you are measuring "market cap" with fiat

you in 1635: tulips have the highest market cap. stop buying gold. buy tulips. buy flower farming equipment.

snex: just let him keep talking and hang himself

its fun to watch

you are a waste of time lol.

well if we all stay silent he will give up lol

gotta buy 3 asics more. see ya.

It's been fun guys but Bitcoin is going up forever and every other crypto security and crypto property is going to zero. Bitcoin is not a cryptocurrency. It is digital energy. See you all on Layer 3.

lol.

its alien tech from the future that will end all wars and govts

Btc is digital gold

HODL

Because you can’t use it efficiently as cash

Definitely not as a donation to The Truckers...

I mean, I use bitcoin daily as digital cash. But you do you, I do me, lad. ceoofdogenero[m]

i wonder if michael saylor is accidentally using a hallucinogen as a cologne or something. Perhaps one of the skippers on his yacht is swapping out the shampoo....

you think you do

cash is fungible

Do you eat lunch and wait 1 hour for payment?

cryptogrampy[m]: he's just snorting loads of coke and buying corn with delayed loans. chad moves.

you use bitcoin daily as digital cash? better hope i never find any of your addresses

s/lunch/diner/

ceoofdogenero[m]: Do I not eat lunch and not wait 1 hour for payment?

also i hope you are reporting all of those trades to the IRS so that you can pay your fair share

snex: here's my btc address. paynym.is/+rapidtruth76f

In what area u use it as cash?

Go find out about all my past txs. and balances.

ceoofdogenero[m]: Kuwait.

It’s like telling the world your financial activity

Value your privacy

I value my privacy, that's why I use samourai wallet. :)

Go take a look before you keep repeating recycled bullshit. samouraiwallet.com

> values privacy

> uses public ledger

oh you mean that thing that institutions have flagged so that they know to stop accepting btc from anyone who uses it?

lolol.

😂😂

you are basically using monero with extra steps. you know that right?

ur retarded.

snex: bingo

you are basically retarded. you know that, right?

nope

it's also not fungible

"bitcoin is fine because if i install all this extra shit and make super sure to use it all right, i can have privacy"

i don't accept mixed coins at my taco stand

that's you, not the merchants i fuck with, boomer.

well the merchants you fuck with will be under arrest eventually

snex: You can have history of using privacy tool on permanent public database lol

snex: join the ignore list.

ceoofdogenero[m]: lol

lol. somebody mad that governments know exactly where chokepoints are and will exploit them

this guys an all star mental gymnist

New blog post for the hard-fork, please share widely: getmonero.org/2022/04/20/network-upgrade-july-2022.html

honestly he probably put 100% of his nw into btc at 70k and he cant admit it was a bad idea

snex: Impossible btc topped at 69k

$69,420?

Monero standoge: it's over. i've already moved my funds to cumrocket (ticker $CUMMIES)

How is your investment?

Moon or doom?

i don't know. my grandson manages my money

1 cummies = 1 cummies

With decreasing supply across the years.

ceoofdogenero[m]: exactly my thoughts. going to be swimming in cummies very soon

Ngd

Number go down

heading down to the cafeteria for some snacks. have a great afternoon, all.

Christ

all I said was the developer base and hash rate is smaller than Bitcoin

and y'all had to circumnavigate total space

Wut, we're not bigger than bitscorn?

Good article sethforprivacy, it is small and full of interesting facts.

Thanks! Wanted to get something out ASAP.

<sethforprivacy> "New blog post for the hard-fork,..." <- This notes the transaction size decreases of 5-7% due to BP+. I had thought that with the ring size bump the net change was going to be slightly larger transactions. Are they actually smaller overall despite going from 11 -> 16?

Not smaller overall, no

But smaller than they would be without BP+ by that amount on average

A bit confusing Im realizing now

Got it, yeah that makes sense. A slight rewording might be helpful. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets interpreted that way

Good call, will think of a way to reword and PR tomorrow.

Thanks 🙂

np, thanks for putting together the post!