"Fluorine Flamingo" was robbed :P

Is anyone familiar with swapuz which is on kycnot me?

I can’t seem to get in contact with their support and I’m wondering if they’re ignoring me. If anyone can check I would really appreciate it.

It says 24/7 support, but I can’t get a response in their live chat

Not sure if this pdf is old or new but I see copyright 2022: 4345106.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.…0Usage%20and%20Ransomware_FINAL.pdf

>Pay in BTC; avoid using anonymity-enhancing technology or privacy coins to pay ransoms.

😁

i want seinfeld music to play when i read most tweets about bitcoin

<cryptogrampy[m]> "ciphertrace.com/current..." <- Thanks for sharing, lots of good tidbits

Tweeted out a thread about it, great litmus test that Monero continues to work, see broader adoption, and is untraced still.

Important that Ciphertrace continues to push people to pay in Bitcoin and that they specifically mention having lists of XMR addresses gathered through social engineering but no information past that and no tracing of Monero mentioned.

Lots of Bitcoin tracing, of course.

maybe I should read and find out why

lol

nah

“ZCash (ZEC) is the second largest privacy coin (or anonymity enhanced cryptocurrency: AEC) in market cap, behind XMR, but CipherTrace researchers haven’t yet seen any ransomware actors demand payment in ZEC.”

Literally no one uses zcash, not even criminals

* even criminals 😆

what about odd criminals

<orly_owl> "what about odd criminals" <- One tried (og alphabay)

hmm i did read about that...

7 days after starting to accept ZCash, the sites founder hang from the ceiling of his prison cell

um wtf

<𝙲𝙴𝚁𝚄𝙻𝙴𝙾𝚄𝚂> he shot himself fromnthe back of the head

he had long arms

<monerobull[m]> "7 days after starting to..." <- That's how all of my last 10 previous lives ended. Don't you do it too?

mj-xmr[m] the dead cat

Anyone have a link to a video of Sarang on Monerotopia?

Inge!

Inge: monerodl.com/monerotopia/14-Sarang-Noether

Cheers to everyone who supported my CCS, I really appreciate it 👍

cheekyleeks: Thank you very much :)

Inge: always welcome xo.

Wondering if this coin will recover

ded

<orly_owl> "ded" <- Bro, but it is nft

It is the future

DA FEWCHA

Had enough of DERO shitspam on Twitter, wrote up a thread -- feel free to use it to debunk their idiotic and grandiose claims: twitter.com/sethforprivacy/status/1517141762011140096

s/DERO/DEROspam/, s/shitspam//

s/shitspam/spam/

They also claim to have solved solo/pool mining problem. Spoiler: they didn't

But sech1, they use Sigma blocks! 51% attacks and pooled mining are defeated!

Small blocks more frequently means no pool mining necessary, ezpz, no tradeoffs

1 second block time doesn't really work in real life. They have mountains of complaints from miners that blocks they mined didn't result in payouts

orphan rate is more than 50%

also, their blockchain is storead as a bunch of files on disc (not database at all)

sech1: Holy shit lololol

sech1: wut

currently more than 3 million files

after a couple of months

I see you've dug even more deeply than me 😄

sech1: hahahahaha

because I implemented their mining algo in XMRig

and had to sync the blockchain

Ahhh

now they recommend to create a virtual drive and keep the blockchain there

ghetto database

LMDB is not used for the political reasons

Anyone who claims "51% attack solved" just shift the attack surface somewhere else

most often 51% attack solution means blockchain split is possible

when you mine your own blockchain for a carefully calculated amount of blocks and release your version to half of the network

Yeah, no kidding. Their entire marketing is chock-full of grandiose claims without tradeoffs

boom - you split the blockchan in two

The TLS over UDP thing gave me a good chuckle

half of the nodes on old chain, other nodes on the new chain

their mining protocol uses TCP

with TLS of course

WebSocket

but not UDP

Yeah their entire protocol (p2p and rpc) seem to both use TCP from what I can tell of their awfully commented code

No mentions of DTLS or any other method of doing UDP-like TLS

Dero has 1 developer (aka Captain) who's good at using Go and its libraries, but not good enough for low-level stuff

hence file-system "database"

Yikes it's even worse than I realized

Hopefully tweet thread will save some people from being misled and scammed

2mil pre-mine plus lots of lies = PnD

*plus incompetent implementations and architectural decisions

<ian.niculescu> had a tiny bit of Dero sitting on TradeOgre, sold it so you saved me some money at least

on the plus side, XMRig's implementation of their algo was 5x better that the reference, and network hashrate was very low at the time, so I mined ~0.3 XMR worth of Dero while "testing" :D

in about a day

sech1: Why would LMDB have a political reason for (not) being used, is this something interesting?

there was a brawl between Dero and Monero devs about licensing

they basically rewrote a lot of Monero's code in Go without mentioning Monero in copyrights

rewrote = almost 1-to-1 rewrite in Go

whether or not it's illegal without mentioning the original authors of the code, I don't know

<ian.niculescu> I got banned from the Dero Discord for sharing Seth's twitter thread after they deleted it and censored me

and I think there was some personal beef betwen hyc and Dero team, this is why

I don't know the details

sech1: and I think there was some personal <- aka the lone dev copying monero's code without attribution... can't imagine why there is beef...

<ian.niculescu> please tell all your friends Dero is a scam

Then I'll need to explain what Dero even is :D

Heh brought all the DERO shills out of the woodwork, fun times

Original Zether paper here: eprint.iacr.org/2019/191.pdf

deroscam.tumblr.com lol the plagiarism is insanity.

<sethforprivacy> "deroscam.tumblr.com lol..." <- Hey, well at least we got a golang port of the code base out of it...

* of it... 😂

I'll take "code bases I wouldn't touch with a thousand foot pole" for 2 million DERO, please

Just want to encourage you all that their is *massive* momentum behind Monero going on behind the scenes, often unnoticed.

The amount of prominent Bitcoiners already using Monero, merchants and projects integrating with Monero, and people wanting to learn how to use Monero is going through the roof lately.

This is much larger than just the cryptocurrency scene, and there is great and growing momentum in many other freedom-loving communities.

Look like p2pool proportion shrink from 5.3% at 9 April to 5

Btw what is the downside of p2pool? Why people don’t mitigate to it entirely? When fee is 0%?

you need to run monerod

also it's not really 0 fee

how is it not 0 fee

you have many small outputs which you need to combine

which costs.............network fees

but who is collecting these supposed fees? whatever the pool earns is distributed to the members according to hashrate. theres nowhere for any "extra" to go

it is included in the block reward

how much it costs depends on your HR vs the HR of the p2pool instance you are on

it can be up to ~0.8%

still not understanding where that 0.8% goes

tx fees

where do they go

ok.. to who?

it is included in the block reward

loke any tx

like*

say a block reward is 1 xmr and your p2pool mines it. there are 10 members and assume they all have equal HR. everyone in the pool gets 0.1 xmr. theres no fee

if youre gonna say everyone gets 0.09 xmr, then where does that extra 0.1 go?

are you saying that you get all your fees back?

?

the miners arent paying fees. the sender of the xmr is paying the fee *to the miners*

in a normal pool, the owner of the pool collects a fee from his/her members

in p2pool, there is no owner

when the miners have to consolidate all there 0.00003 xmr inputs in order to use them then yes, they pay tx fees

the more inputs you have the bigger the tx and therefore the bogger the tx fee

*bigger

ok i see what you are saying - we pay fees to other miners in order to split up the rewards. but sometimes those miners are also us so theres a slight rebate. and if the whole world uses p2pool then it becomes a wash

yes you would get something back, I haven't actually looked at that part closely

to see how it would work out

why more people don't use p2pool? people are lazy

it was surprisingly easy to set up

new GUI release will make it much easier

hey I just want to click a button

lol

<sethforprivacy> @sethforprivacy:matrix.optoutpod.com

Just want to encourage you all that their is *massive* momentum behind Monero going on behind the scenes, often unnoticed.

The amount of prominent Bitcoiners already using Monero, merchants and projects integrating with Monero, and people wanting to learn how to use Monero is going through the roof lately.

This is much larger than just the cryptocurrency scene, and there is great and growing momentum in many other freedom-loving communities.

^^^ just slowly building for 8 years :)

Indeed.

and 3 days :D

What if regulator ban us more to stop momentum?

* us more aggressively to stop

"what if they ban math"

i wish them luck

They may force all cex to delist xmr

when they untied the $ from gold (price was $35/oz at the time), experts predicted that the gold price would fall to $10/oz or less

Revuo Monero. Issue 117: April 14-21, 2022. revuo-xmr.com/issue-117.html

in case you havent looked lately, we are pushing $2000/oz

point being, untying crypto from fiat only helps crypto

(assuming that crypto actually serves a purpose)

snex: That's a non-sequitur

not really. CEX (or even DEX really) are harming crypto in the long run

all it does is encourage memebros to pump shitcoins. thats not what crypto is for

snex: Agree

They lie about supply

That's the "free market" for ta

s/ta/ya/

Make fake usd coin

new markets are always full of scams

snex: [Citation needed]

you need a citation that new markets are always full of scams?

when radiation was discovered, tons of scams sprung up overnight about how you should eat radioactive materials for your health

Look again at which message I'm replying to

im on irc, i cant see any threads

Oh I see

I was replying to "CEX and DEX are harming crypto in the long run"

snex: For cancer

sethforprivacy: even Ukraine accepts Monero

exchanges retain the supremacy of fiat currency. the point of crypto is to destroy fiat

Point being, that cryptocurrencies' (the non-scam ones, anyway) original goal is to become actual money. And like all money, people need a place where they can exchange one form of money into another

fiat isnt money. fiat is fraud

Do you see how that mentality gets you nowhere?

How do you plan on "destroying fiat", if nobody can access your system that intends to replace fiat?

the vast majority of people who pay fiat for crypto are just hoping to get a larger amount of fiat back in the future. they dont want to USE crypto. they dont even understand the use-cases for it

Do you expect every single person on the planet to figure out how to mine and earn their new fiat replacement money one piconero at a time?

why cant they access it? do jobs for crypto. sell goods for crypto

merope: They can mine xmr without exchange

Because I can tell you right now that that won't work at scale

if it wont work at scale, you should avoid crypto because its non-workable

and tbh im skeptical of it scaling, which is why im not all in

but we still have to try

Who's gonna pay people with crypto for jobs, if only a small niche of people has crypto?

<ceoofdogenero[m]> "They may force all cex to delist..." <- Then everybody can still withdraw Bitcoin and use atomic swaps to go to XMR

i mean the way youre arguing, gold cant be money. yet gold was money for 5000 years

gold wasnt money because government said so. gold was money because of its properties which government co-opted

You need an exchange. Centralized, decentralized, whatever flavour you want. But you need a market where people can transition easily into the new system. Otherwise you're doomed to fail from the start

ok but that exchange should be based on goods and services, not fiat

There's nothing in the chemical or physical properties of gold that says "intrinsically good for money"

there is though

its not an accident that we gravitated to gold over aluminum

If you're gonna say scarcity, that's neither a physical nor a chemical property. It's an economical one

there are many other relevant properties that all have to be within a narrow range of values

Gold is chemically stable, sure. That's good when your money doesn't rust away

gold is super dense, which means you can store lots of value in a small space. almost no other metals have a similar density so gold is very hard to fake

gold is fungible, unlike diamonds, tobacco, beaver pelts, etc

Lead is also super dense. Is lead super valuable? No. Its value is not even close to the proportional density to gold

bruh i specifically said all the properties have to be there

you cant come back with "but this other thing has exactly 1 relevant property"

You've only mentioned density as the reason why gold can't be faked

no i didnt? i said almost nothing else has the same density

Literally Tungsten

only tungsten is near gold, and tungsten is also pretty damn expensive, very hard to work, and very different than gold in easy to determine ways

Which has, indeed, used to fake gold

*been used

yeah if the buyer is a clueless idit

idiot*

Irrelevant

no it isnt lol

to make tungsten into a realistic looking gold bar you are spending like 75%-80% of the value of the real thing. and a simple electric current test will foil you

Do you always carry a testing kit to identify the purity of the gold you receive? Do you think gold users in the past did?

if im buying a large amount of gold, yes. and people in the past couldnt work tungsten *at all*

tungsten is a pretty new discovery

extreme melting point, no malleability whatsoever

literally hit your gold bar with a hammer

if we discover intelligent life elsewhere in the galaxy, i will bet you 1 xmr that their civilization used gold as money to the same extent ours did

You may want to avoid that, if you care about reselling/reusing that bar later without having to recast it first

Lmao

why? deforming a gold bar doesnt change its value

One of the most meaningless bets ever

when you buy a gold bar, you pay spot + premium, where the premium is based on the non-fungible form of the gold. smash or melt that bar, all you lose is the premium

Strictly speaking, no. But a recipient will look at it and think: "Hmmm, there's something funky with your gold bar... you're trying to screw me over"

or maybe you bought it because youre a jeweler and it doesnt matter how deformed it is. just that its real

youre still in this mental mode of "buy stuff for fiat so i can sell it later for more fiat"

thats not why we want gold or crypto

A jeweler looking for raw metal is a very narrow specific scenario which cannot be generalized the way you're trying do to

And I'm not in the speculative mindset

You can have a market for buying and selling without having to speculate about it

And also: if crypto is money, and money can be used for speculation, then there's nothing stopping people from speculating with it

<snex> "if we discover intelligent..." <- If xmr is used til that day, 1xmr might be worth a mansion

well then im willing to bet a mansion on the fact that aliens also used gold as money

So this whole attitude of "we're too good for speculators" is pointless

to me, its just as obvious as "aliens discovered the number pi"

Speculators provide liquidity.

Universe is big, maybe some area matter aren’t distributed seamlessly

for a rocky planet to form and develop life, youd need a supernova that creates roughly the same ratio of gold that our sun did

* Universe is big, maybe some area matter proportion aren’t distributed equally

and most of that gold will sink to the planet core

gold is even visually distinct from its surroundings, which would lead any intelligent life to at least inspect it

and unlike aluminum or similar, it mostly exists in elemental form rather than hard to break molecules

literally the only downside is that you cant teleport it at the speed of light the way you can with crypto

gold is shiny

I like to stare at it when the sun shines in it

on

damn, both my o an i keys are completely worn off

But Why??

snex: Btw, for crypto to work as medium of exchange for type 3 civilizations.(galaxy)

It would have to have fk long blocktime?

im not sure such civs can exist. youd need to be able to create targeted wormholes and in that case, light speed is good enough

if we could make solid state hard drives where 1 atom = 1 bit, how much data can you store on a desktop?

Inge: old cheap keyboard

much shitposting

I just assume you were talking to me :D

I was

a nad n are also gone

t is virtually gone, l is in bad shape

time to upgrade. oh shit the new keyboard doesnt match the aesthetic gotta buy all new everything else too

aesthetic? lol