plowsof: see what you've done?! Jeez. You were supposed to be Ciccione's comfort zone. (Even though he used CCS instead of WAAS.. blasphemy)

... how is this monero community leaders fault?! Jeez

<w[m]> "Imagepipe_158.jpg" <- COMMUNITY NEEDS CENTRAL PLANNING, COMRADE

I demand to speak with the Monero CEO

This isnt shitposting IMO. He called out community leaders for being silent... hes not even in here. SGP defended him big time, Seth donated a sizeable amount.

Does he means on Reddit and telegram 😅?

Fucking ridiculous. Guy blunders 151 xmr and blames the market

Blames community leaders*****

#ErCiccioneGambledCCSMoney

Top trending hashtag

Since when has crypto prices not been gambling?

Since you get paid 151xmr over value and dont sell until its 50% down

Thats gambling

Hoping for a moonshot? They didnt sell a drop at 280

nioc: He didn't sell the funds he got but gambled on the price. It's an awesome thing for him since either monero pumps and he pockets tens of thousands or monero dumps and they halt development until it undumps itself

No way for him to lose

so much crying over and over for some nothinburger, wtf LOL, cant yall just stop crying for a fucking minute and be like idfk, just pump the price or somethin and problem solved u know? 😹

<Encore> :pepe_weed:

You know what might pump the price? Haveno release lmao

like, yall go out, sucking some dirty dicks or somethin and pump that price

fucking bitch asses, crying all day long but doing nothin LOL

You know what else might pump the price? Not selling the bottom

Guy sold at the bottom smh

Someone running an exchange doesnt seem to understand trading

So sad there is no way to downvote individual lines to -30 or even -40 karma, like it happened on reddit for their posts, to really show it to them, the holy anger of the community

(lines written on IRC)

monerobull[m]: yeah and for the whatever number of times it been said, haveno can still be released without the ui like fuck, its like gotta say that again and again all fucking day long cause yall fucking crying about shit that doesnt even affect the release

Yes it does affect the release

Didn't he want to decide who gets to be an arbitrator? Better hope you never have a need for one, I'm sure they'll have their own code of conduct on who wins based on their wokeness score

He sold UNDER VALUE

Where does he recover That ?

Have all CCS funds been paid out?

No way did they actually sell? Haveno rugged us with CCS funds? Lmao

it doesnt as been said all day yesterday, can we fucking move on already? 😹

No, only 302 xmr have been paid, 0 and 1 milestone

monerobull[m]: Yeaman, and they even took a 10% profit invoke sell and priced it as break even

spacekitty420[m]: But we like ranting

So why say he sold the bottom or gambled?

yeah, spacekitty420[m], please don't act so reasonable, you only disturb :)

Disingenuous

He DID

he sold 20k worth, smartly.

At value

nioc: He didn't do it with all funds but with 300 xmr

Then oncenit was above, he held. Once it dropped he sold

rbrunner: okay irc boomer hipster

When you get a CCS payout and need to pay people, what do you do?

The dates and amounts of invoices were posted by haveno themselves.

Selling on April 15, pricing for April 8

Not selling again til may 15 or so

Listen to w[m] what to do?

nioc: Well, if you know 151 xmr @ 200$ is your budget, and the price is 240, and the devs only take usd, you dump the xmr and earmark the funds.

Not dump 20k worth then watch your shit bleed for months

Then blame the markey

Sorry if I have been having too much fun to follow closely.

When you make rookie ass mistakes, youre supposed to own up to it and learn from it. Not point fingers at everything except for your lack of accounting and accountability.

"We weren't paid all at once, we couldnt sell".

They definitely had 151 xmr that they could have sold for profit. They didnt. There's absolutely no reason to assume they would have sold if they were paid in full.

20k for this drama is worth it, no?

Its like 150k dsc_:

no exchange but a theatrical performance

They need to list wow if they want confetti instead of pitchforks

there is some truth to that statement :P

and here you fucking go again with that wow shill which you keep bringing up every single drama, you couldnt stop yourself 😹

yeah I also dont like people bringin up WOW in XMR related channels

just fyi

dsc_: is a WOW G/dev

How could I not?

And wow is more than related. For example

it makes me feel uncomfortable

anyway

dsc_: plowsof and ooo123 were wondering what happened to 7760 in wownero

It was in prior release version, but nor current master or release. I believe wowario repo has it though

Monero pr 7760, ill grab the link to the wow merge

yeah I ignored the questions asked to me here, come to WOW channels to discuss WOW

like told you on the previous drama u been spam shilling wow, penumbra is definitely okay to list it on release on their own platform so instead of crying all day everyday about haveno it could be more productive to instead contribute to that other platform instead of the one you keep hating on every single day for like forever now

im not gonna talk about that here

<3

dsc_: there's a matrix channel? o.o

pls continue the haveno discussion :P

i was enjoying it

dsc_: gieb wow matrix channel o.o

dsc_: In private?

<insert surprised pikachu face thingy>

<insert surprised Chris rock>

* < insert surprised Chris rock >

spacekitty420 @spacekitty420:matrix.org: haveno-dex/listing #11

<w[m]> "spacekitty420 @spacekitty420:..." <- well damn, it's almost been 2 months already, had a bit of catching up to do on that thread but yeah, still seems to leave it open to discussion for potentially be for release even tho overall sentiment might be more like for the 2nd or 3rd wave of listing

like, issue not closed or anything so that's good

am definitely like, it would be really nice to have it on release but if its not then that's no big deal either, a lil wait aint really that big of a deal, really...

Anyway, spacekitty, this isnt about shitting on haveno or kicking a guy when hes down.

Its about accountability or lackthereof, and worse, blaming everybody for your own blunder.

Imagine youre a dev and thought you had steady income, only to find out your employer held your wages in crypto and lost enough to have to lay you off

Its not so simple as "who cares, life goes on"

havent checked yet if oxen was proposed as well, dont own any either but could be a great add too imo, hearing they building some sort of ecosystem as well with like session (which heard that name in a wide range of different community) and lokinet, which might be an other interesting tech, like bisq, haveno and penumbra routing traffic through tor and lokinet apparently being similar to tor with the onion routing or somethin

somethin

anyways, could be a decent add as well imo, just cause interesting tech type of thing

Interviewer - "Could haveno had made better financial decisions to avoid this?"

Haveno - "no. This isn't our fault at all. I blame the community. Bunch of trolls trying to destroy me. Period. Any other reason is just an attack on us"

Oxen was, yes

may 14 the proposal indeed, sweet :)

> <@w:monero.social> Interviewer - "Could haveno had made better financial decisions to avoid this?"

> Haveno - "no. This isn't our fault at all. I blame the community. Bunch of trolls trying to destroy me. Period. Any other reason is just an attack on us"

to be fair, community being full of cringe ass weirdos that just crying all day long about a bunch of bs LOL

I agree. But this isnt the case. Haveno squandered the funds. Haveno and haveno alone

and the price can still go up again at any time and the temporary pause will just be that, some temporary pause that is no big deal either...

Kitty

They sold in the red

They cant recover lost money unless the price goes to high 200s

<w[m]> "Image_177.jpg" <- I dont like this bs accounting either

one thing I find interesting about the haveno frontend proposal is that it does *not* mention the technologies involved

w[m]: which will most likely happen soon or later

it speaks in the all encompassing term "frontend"

was the UI devs paid in usd or xmr tho?

"frontend" is rather ambiguous. It can be built using simple HTML/JS, using backend template rendering, using a SPA framework, etc.

isnt it reactJS or somethin?

Indeed, a SPA framework. ReactJS. Incredibly complicated. I've seen many projects fail due to underestimating the complexities that come with SPA frameworks.

it shadows the DOM and keeping state is rocket science

the whole design shematics and whatnot was also released, tryna find link again on that

plus you're dealing with some nodejs/npm bullshit

my point is: this is *important* information one should include in the proposal

because as a techie, I can look at it, see they're using ReactJS, and decide this is not worth backing

Going on a tangent here but back when I was young I was part of the half-life 2 modding community and we'd get often get people on our forums with big plans to create their own big MMORPG

they had no technical skill themselves but were able to write 4 pages full of ideas

we referred to those as "idea guys"

“I am not a visionary. I'm an engineer. I'm happy with the people who are wandering around looking at the stars but I am looking at the ground and I want to fix the pothole before I fall in.”

ok enough wisdoms from me

<spacekitty420[m]> "the whole design shematics and..." <- oh, had to enable webgl in browser, thought link was ded 😹

150k USD is still nothing if you want to outsource development for such complicated frontend

monero tanking is irrelevant

eh, $150k that's definitely enough to pay for rent and noodles tho :3

he picked an expensive technology and outsourced its development

(which is fine, but dont underestimate what happens when, for example, monero tanks)

it's not like gotta also pay for some specialized hardware like if it was machine learning and had to get all dem tesla V100 or whatever the current best is

grandma's toaster should be enough to do some dev or somethin am guessing

im also argueing that monero tanking is irrelevant as this was doomed anyway

i mean look at those figma designs, they're great

which is a bad thing :P

read: its a lot of work

true

so as a non-techie, how are you going to establish the roadmap of a software product?

and thus determine how much funding you need?

(answer: you cant, you can only repeat what the devs tell you, and hey those devs have commercial incentives to give optimistic estimates)

the fuck do i know LOL

like, they had that UI dev which later on just ended up making he's own fork and currently working alone on it without funding but is still doing great so far

opensource is fucking weird like, people working for free and whatnot just for ideology, not even for the noodles

s/he's/his/

alrighty, seems like i just got banned on /r/xmrtrader by XMR2020 just for sayin that no am not erciccione's or l0nelyc0w's alt account LOL

so stoopid

spacekitty420[m] is ciccione's alt confirmed

:derp:

:P

Wasn't Seth supposed to be on What Bitcoin Did? Every time they release a new episode I'm expecting it lol

Yes that will be a great one

<agatesAlecksGate> "Wasn't Seth supposed to be on..." <- he said it would be in early july

<chesterfield[m]> "he said it would be in early..." <- oof what a lead time

most of his other guests just smell their own farts

<agatesAlecksGate> "most of his other guests just..." <- what makes this one any different?

This one uses xmr 👀

r4v3r23[m]: Are we talking about the same Seth?

r4v3r23: doesn't like influencers and thinks people should turn off podcasts/youtubers and learn privacy and everything on their own from scratch

let me know if i summed that up correctly

<Encore> r4v3r23: this one smells an unknown amount of farts

Huh by that logic I should stop mentoring people

Yes, that's correct. Your services are not needed anymore. This channel will be shutting down in 24 hours.

> deeply inhales fart

Speaking of CCS, I updated my proposal here : repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…0b5a562a75f48f1cc6885cdd2183271d710

Mainly reducing hours and pushing back the expiration date

If anyone cares to look, or ask questions, I would greatly appreciate it