<jeffro256[m]> "Speaking of CCS, I updated my..." <- there are no changes to what is supposed to be done, all of that are mostly useless or unimportant things, some of them are not even viable long term: community nodes, SSL, draft levin/cryptonote specification (how is it even possible without reading code, the one for binary epee codec isn't even complete), doxygen, general documentation, dead code removal (without code

reading ?), misc dev/review (any good example of review?) ?

How is a levin/cryptonote specification not viable in the long term?

Also you keep saying that SSL is useless. Could you expand on that please? SSL has horrible flaws but when done correctly, it provided integrity and confidentiality to connections. Also it's used just about everywhere so that's we need to implement if we want to incorporate with any modern software

"how is it even possible without reading code"

It isn't

"... doxygen, general documentation ... "

Basically all of monero's network stack was cobbled together from the ground up (as I'm sure that you're aware). There are many examples of snippets in the codebase with lax or ill-defined requirements / bad organization. Documenting and disseminating knowledge about the code will aid the current dev team and especially future devs in understanding how to move forward with the code

There's been talks for years about completely rewriting the codebase from scratch, yet there aren't any serious traction behind any movement so far, so we're stuck with our current code for now. If we want to interoperability and new substantive development, the code needs to be accessible

"any good example of review"

I know that you often accuse just about every dev of "blind approval" of PRs, so I want to know what you consider a good review

<jeffro256[m]> "I know that you often accuse..." <- good review : inspect even the compiled machine level code

Guess I better start learning ARM lol

in theory or in practice ?

Why not both ?

practical learning of ARM means programming something for real hardware, but it's much harder task than writing docs or doing code relocation in C++

theoretical learning is easy, but not much useful

Sorry I thought you were asking about my request for what a good review is in your opinion

jeffro256[m]: I thought you were going to go hard way and learn firmware programming for ARM

It's a much harder task than writing bad docs for sure

s/go hard way and//

* I thought you were going to learn firmware programming for ARM, it was unexpected reply from your side

What is there to learn theoretically about ARM assembly? Seems entirely practical to me. That's like trying to learn to unclog pipes theoretically or learning how to paint theoretically

Either way don't plan on doing that lol

But to get back on topic, it's really difficult to write actually useful documentation. It's easy to just copy the arguments of a function and give a half-assed explanation

<jeffro256[m]> "There's been talks for years..." <- Does from scratch include stuff like 7760? (Is this a good place to start?)

Like there's monero-core, and some people trying to rebuild the entire codebase in rust, stuff like that

7760 is basically a complete rewrite of a very broken section of the code , but I wasn't necessarily talking about that

Still good though

Also idk if you've been following Jamtis + Seraphis + misc wallet development but a lot of the community is in favor of throwing out all of wallet2 and starting over with wallet3

<jeffro256[m]> "There's been talks for years..." <- There is no doubts in ability to rewrite anything with better design of those who isn't going to read/learn legacy code.

Sorry, could you rephrase that? I'm not trying to be difficult, I just genuinely can't parse that sentence

> <@jeffro256:monero.social> There's been talks for years about completely rewriting the codebase from scratch, yet there aren't any serious traction behind any movement so far, so we're stuck with our current code for now. If we want to interoperability and new substantive development, the code needs to be accessible

* Those who're not going to read/learn legacy code can't rewrite something with better design with high probability

Ah, okay makes sense now

Agreed

<jeffro256[m]> "Also idk if you've been followin..." <- if seraphis will reach final point then it will replace wallet2, there is no need for anything separate.

* anything separate. "the community" of users (don't read code) has nothing in common with development

ooo123ooo1234567: by "community" he means the monero development community

jeffro256: I think

<jeffro256[m]> "7760 is basically a complete..." <- it isn't rewrite, it's fix of internal implementation for the lowest layer in networking which is required for changes in higher layers.

So a rewrite?... I mean, it's a useful rewrite because it solves a lot of concurrency issues. It also has a lot of personal style choices, but either way that's just wordplay. I didn't mean to imply that it didn't add real value

🫂 ooo started with 1 line and ended up doing 1500 before he was satisfied

good man

what do you mean with 1 line ?

reg emoji-gate in MRL : users with custom role of '1' can leave emojis and delete messages from users with role 'default'

plowsof[m]: And delete messages? Tf

what script was used to add all current users except few into role&permissions list ?

and i've not been contacted by any admin regarding any issue either 😁

-lounge

seems like koe is confused too.

I dont want to lay judgement before confirmation ...... ..... ..... .. but if it was erciccione that changes the power levels / enabled the restrictions.. I think erciccione needs to take a break from being involved in monero social media. (Aka he needs to follow plowsof and resign). Guy needs a break or something

If koe wasnt even made aware whats going on..

ooo123ooo1234567: indeed, a script to place 'all users into the desirables' and perhaps manually place them in the 'undesirables' list

If it wasnt erciccione.. well.. thats even more messed up. Who's the secret police in MRL

#1 its backwards

If the idea is to stop spam, why restrict emojis and force me to type my reaction

more like preliminary step before increasing level for writing messages, emojis is just the beginning

shall we be petty and quote every message we want to react to?

#2 how do even the people on the special list not know how they got there

#3 its supposed to paint a picture of "only if you agree with me" or some shit.

I dont like it.

plowsof[m]: Yes. Learn from the best of the best

😂

And react like this

ONLY the people on matrix see the reactions

so some moderator who uses matrix has an issue

Erc or Seth

Ercic is admin on matrix and irc...

Alright, ill shit on him for a sec.

Reading ccs and his answers and shit, I think hes a snake too

plowsof[m]: Seth is the ceo

Seth For Privacy: WAS IT YOU?!

Emoji-gate - to be continued

And not a snake because of the fumbling of haveno funds, but because of the slimy way he excuses himself via guilt trips, power trips, temper tantrums and id argue some bold faced lies as well.... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…cb7be5a2fbf130d888c653c32f1e0f1321e)

Man getting mad that Monero actually utilizes research ...

Weird take but okay

imagine spending your life working on cool tech that will never ever see the light of day and then ranting on twitter at the people actually putting it to use 🥲

is grubles a blockstream dev?

idk it looks like he's just a random bitcoin afficiando

Monero got better, thats why ill never use it !

Sometimes I think these maxis have bread instead of brains in their head

>sudo apt install brain

# apt install hsbrainfuck

MimbleWimble tho

He really just ran s/Monero/TheSuperiorCoin/g github.com/TheSuperiorCoin/TheSuperiorCoin

Hi all, from i've read from monero blog, there will be a network upgrade on 16th july and to handle this upgrade, it said v0.18 software would release on 16th june. But i haven't see v0.18 release yet on getmonero web. Any updated news?

Updated news is there will be a dev meeting on Monday about it. Binaries will be released a bit later.

ok, thanks for the info sech1

<chesterfield[m]> "r4v3r23: doesn't like influencer..." <- first 3 words are accurate

<cryptogrampy[m]> "twitter.com/notgrubles..." <- hes a certified moron

> <@r4v3r23:matrix.org> > <@cryptogrampy:monero.social> twitter.com/notgrubles/status/1537997851300536320

>

> hes a certified moron

Monreo lol

teddit.net/r/Monero/comments/vf7bcn…v_report_mayjune_2022_33/icuiqvf/#c, "... submitted some bug fixed to the Monero GitHub repo, which apparently have been helpful." indeed, who would expect that real work may be helpful

"teddit.net/r/Monero/comments/vf7bcn…v_report_mayjune_2022_33/icuiqvf/#c", "... I cannot comment of his/her criticism of the C++ code or cryptography skills of other devs and researchers since I don't code in C++ nor am I a cryptographer.", "... but now I can utilize ... C++ skills and knowledge of the Monero code base to create certain pieces that are needed to move forward with the research." wow, utilizing

C++ skills (or lack of skills) in order to translate C++ -> python -> R - > math def for PDF, so efficient; certainly not a waste of time

"... It sounds like a huge unhealthy case of Codependency, if you ask me. ...", indeed, people with cryptography knowledge is unhealthy dependency for cryptocurrency project; it would be much healthier to depend on money-driven scammer / incompetent developers / private development of statistical defense which can't be even verified

as an incompetent developer I feel attacked by your comments

teddit.net/r/Monero/comments/vf7bcn…v_report_mayjune_2022_33/icuiqvf/#c, "That's why my next CCS Proposal will be focused on MRL only, and its associated tsqsim project, which had been requested by u/Rucknium, yet it's still in an unfinished state." indeed, private development is the best place for scammers / incompetent deveolpers

privacy for scammers: no one can verify their work, privacy for users: no one can trace their financial activity; facepalm

ooo123ooo1234567:... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…1d4f75cc3cfac51bcc133142f967ec3f029)

"I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I don't apologize for defending my basic human rights."

Talking about shooting people isnt a basic human right

"The same person has been attacking many other people too, but mainly those who cooperate with me in this or other way, especially in MRL - specialists who are paid twice as much as I do, essentially greatly wasting the money that YOU pay." indeed, criticism of 10+ C++ "specialists" that can't read code may lead to waste of their money; not clear though how it's related to project goal

"Luigi confirmed privately, that personal disputes are not a reason to influence the payments. ..." tsqsim - there are open-source alternatives / wasted, soloptxmr - there is open-source alternative / wasted, monero repo maintenance - 0 progress / wasted; indeed, personal disputes are not a reason, but there are many other reasons

* other reasons directly related to project progress

ooo123ooo1234567: Mj tells lies

I wouldnt waste my time responding to that political campaign that he calls a dev report

"mj-xmr/SolOptXMR #55#issuecomment-1149427010", "I'm actually just starting with p2pool. Do you think that the PPLNS problem could be minimized by having just one low powered miner on all the time?" wow, mining "enthusiasts" learns about PPLNS rewarding scheme of mining pools after receiving funds for energy usage optimizer

Seriously ooo. Dont waste your time on him

mj-xmr/SolOptXMR #55#issuecomment-1155652582, "I didn't realize that it was funded thru CCS, as I've stopped following what goes on there since in most cases it seems like just a grabbing bazaar without much return, so I am rather happy that you seem to be an exception there to actually produce something of real value AND put monero first." facepalm

<w[m]> "Mj tells lies" <- Only people who side with him are his buddies or people who have also been targetting by you. "Strength in numbers". And the dev report being on Reddit is just mj trying to garner love from the community.

I doubt his next ccs gets approved. We'll see, but I doubt it.

* Only people who side with him are his buddies or people who have also been targetting by you. Edit: and people who dont know any better (reddit, telegram etc users). "Strength in numbers".

And the dev report being on Reddit is just mj trying to garner love from the community.

I doubt his next ccs gets approved. We'll see, but I doubt it.

Just add verification / competition for each proposal and anyone competent will help to point out such scammers if goal is unreachable or implement the same faster / better

It's the same case as haveno frontend

> <@w:monero.social> Only people who side with him are his buddies or people who have also been targetting by you. Edit: and people who dont know any better (reddit, telegram etc users). "Strength in numbers".... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…3ddeff697e1f6442f8d2bdb2577ffd7ffbf)

And they go as far as to be active members of MRL

teddit.net/r/Monero/comments/vf7bcn…v_report_mayjune_2022_33/icug48t/#c, "thank you very much for your hard work! Dont listen to the haters. (haters should be banned from the monero gitlab. Only constructive criticism should be allowed.)" hard work; facepalm

I don't get what you're trying to accomplish here

is it the same as "I can't deduce your goal" ?

Siren[m]: There's fire behind the smoke

Bleeding heart political campaigns where people give you a shoulder to cry on, doesnt mean youre not ripping the community off

And abusing ccs for your own personal gain and little to no gain for moneron

ooo123ooo1234567: No but I'm starting to think you're in love with mj-xmr

The man has been meeting his milestones and documenting his work, progress

To be fair, yea ooo, I cant deduce your goal

Siren[m]: No he hasn't

Siren[m]: are you trying to deduce my feelings ? ; facepalm

w[m]: How come? Aren't you ooo's alt lmao?

Go read his review on 7760

Siren[m]: Yeah, im here talking to myself

And not understanding muaelf

Exactly. Im ooos alt. No

Mj is just in a panic

ooo123ooo1234567: If I took a shot every time you said facepalm I'd slip into a coma

Siren[m]: Ooo's has build up resistance. He doesnt even feel it when he facepalms anymore 😂

Siren[m]: "took a shot" what is it ?

> <@w:monero.social> Exactly. Im ooos alt. No

> Mj is just in a panic

How is he in panic?

Siren[m]: Read his dev report or hue review on 7760 or his death threats

All because he got called a scammer for not reviewing important code that he claimed he could write / review

w[m]: I hope you don't mean ooo (perfect-daemon)'s work by important code

Siren[m]: 7760 is exactly what mj days he reviewed

And says was a major vulnerability that ooo exposed for over a year

Fact: ooo fixed the vulnerability

Fact: mj didnt review it

ooo123ooo1234567: Bruh are you seriously larping as someone who doesn't speak english well when your other alt has broken english as well

Fact: when mj started his "review" he just shitposted on the pr

Siren[m]: Who is the other alt?

if we look at this situation impartially, a monero ccs recipient has produced an invoice, for contributions that he wants payment for , at his rates which i believe are 45 euro an hour. i have not read the full invoice but i have seen "1h" for attending a community meeting.

If im being honest, I song think ooo has ANY alts

He talks shit from his own account

it is now in the hands of core to pay up on the requested invoice , or not , or partially, who knows

plowsof[m]: And 4 hrs for compiling something

lots of frazzled accounting but regardless, he claims 7760 is a vulnerability and he did nothing about it

Siren: youbarent seriously saying multisig and the connection protocol arent important code ?1

Contructive critism is ok?

So why is ooos review of mjs work not accepted?

He detailed how each thing mj claims to have done was either done wrong, unnecessary or unrelated to monero

Its not ooos opinion. Thats mj's.... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…fca9fecd0c889a48dabfd96263ff5134f04)

oh boy, drama

Sock puppet, signing out for now

Ill start using my plowsof account

with it being the weekend / monerokon / devs busy with the multi sig audit thing, i guess this situation is going to 'build up' so we'll have to wait , at least a few days

i am even having to postpone my emoji-gate investigation now

the what now

Emoji-gate - only a certain list of people are allowed to leave emoji reactions in MRL

lmao

and those on that list of users are allowed to delete the comments of the 'undesirables' not worthy of leaving Emojis

I see, that's not good

so Emoji-gate is postponed until mid next week, i will keep you all updated on this important matter!

I would react, but..

Or my Luigi1111w

Does anyone know who I talk to? I am not able to leave prescient emojis in mrl

me

not that i can help

I have significant research that can only be conveyed in emoji format

<Siren[m]> "Bruh are you seriously larping..." <- urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bruh%20girl; funny

<chesterfield[m]> "Does anyone know who I talk to?..." <- Moron

w[m]: 🦴

(Thats the response to the question in MRLounge)

oh

Just want to say i love all of you

And I just wanted to ask: Is it over now? There is hope, nobody wrote something for a while.

to be prices, what is it ?

Concepts like "the darkest hour" come to mind if I read here now

s/prices/precise/

I learned something new today in this regard, I think you saw it also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Interesting concept

it's just an excuse for some people where it's appropriate, absolute bullshit

it was also mentioned once in the past

You rarely disappoint

chesterfield[m]: i think chesterfeild is a pretty cool guy. eh kill nocoiners and doesnt afraid of anything

But anyway, my own question is answered: It's not yet over :)

monero-project/monero #4229#issuecomment-415153012, rbrunner

The long arm of fluffypony

Reaching into the present 4 years later

Scammer goes to bed now. 'Night all. Read you tomorrow.

THERE ARE QUITE A FEW SEALIONS OFF THE COAST OF SOUTH AFRICA. IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME TO HEAR THAT FLUFFYPONY IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THEM. BACK IN MY YOUTH I ALMOST ENDED UP ON ANTARCTIC EXPEDITION BEFORE MEETING MY SECOND WIFE IN CAPE TOWN

SAW MANY WHILE IN TRAINING

JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT I'VE BASICALLY LOST EVERYTHING AT THIS POINT WHILE LEVERAGE TRADING MY GRANDSON'S PRIVATE HIGH SCHOOL FUND

WOWNEROCHAN IS BASICALLY ALL I HAVE LEFT AND I CAN BARELY LOOK AT HER WITHOUT CAUSING GREAT PAIN ON MY STENTS

lmao

<rbrunner> "Scammer goes to bed now. '..." <- Why scammer ?

lol

<chesterfield[m]> "Does anyone know who I talk to?..." <- Hey fluffypony: can you look into this ^

I think there's a per-channel flag that disables colours on IRC or something

that's probably on

if it's a Matrix then then idk

*matrix thing

On matrix, yeah. Someone changed matrix settings

ah yeah I have no idea who even moderates matrix

<plowsof[m]> "if we look at this situation..." <- 28-04-2022 0.25h R: Change "Github" to "GitHub" monero-project/monero #8300 

MRL meetings between 14 Apr and 15 May (excl 18 May) 4 Meetings * 1.25h = 5h

<ooo123ooo1234567> "urbandictionary.com..." <- exactly, that's why your alt account (w) is calling my main account (erciccione) a moron since from my alt account (this one) am a self proclaimed retard o.o, shit is getting all meta meta somethin somethin o.o

Hey, dont spin it. You (ercic) called w (ooo) a moron first 🍿

(I dont actually think erciccione)

think you are*

yea... that whole thing is just retarded, XMR2020 is one of those swamp creature or somethin yall 'muricans been sayin that be out there, that should be investigated and whatnot but nothing is ever being done anyways, so fucking dumb

Hey. There's some funny moderation going on round these parts too. Researchers cant emoji in mrl but non dev, non researchers can

like i been telling yall, the glowies have been infiltrating the the team from all side so they can control monero's narrative, it's 100% a psyop this is 100% not tinfoil at all, just sayin o.o

haha yeah, that emoji gate thingy :3

s/the/monero/

Hello 👋

henlo o/

Is there someone with lmdb knowledge

tbh, i dont know shit about anything, am retarded af but like, there's that saying (and its even a website) that be like "dont ask to ask, just ask" :3

Just asking 😂 I’m from the core team of qwc and we searching someone for the database

LOL

Try @hyc

<Encore> >dont ask to ask

wait until you meet deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki

s/deadbydaylight/nohello/, s/fandom.com/net/, s/wiki/en//

<Encore> whoops

😂

Ok you guys are specially

😅

hyc is the developer / creator of lmdb , you can find him in #monero-dev:monero.social (i believe this room is not bridged to irc)