<joshhavepigdog> Yeah those blocks say 3,000ish transactions yet you are saying empty and 200-300 transactions

<joshhavepigdog> I’m just trying to figure where or when you only 200-300

Check tomorrow

<joshhavepigdog> Because all the small squares are supposed to be real tx’s right?

Go look at a different day. . Lol.

Smh

You're lookigng at the last like, 2 hours. We've been going in circled for 8

You see when they added all these fake tx ? Lol. 2 hrs ago

<joshhavepigdog> No kidding

See the green line?

<joshhavepigdog> Wow you seem to have been right on everything.

Thats the real number

<joshhavepigdog> The green line is your 200-300 number right?

<joshhavepigdog> It looks like it’s closer to 500 maybe but I get your point.

<joshhavepigdog> This is a pretty big pill to swallow

<joshhavepigdog> What is a fab order? And wow yeah you guys are both right

when you design and place a giant order for an asic run

Yeah, I dont know what the actual value of the green line is

But 2-300 is my 👀 test

The chart seems to show something closet to 700.

Dont trust my 200#. Again, its not exact, just what I see at a glance when I check (regularly)

pulling the asic trigger is massively capital intensive :)

<joshhavepigdog> Gotcha

<joshhavepigdog> Yep I see

But its not what we see right niwbwith every block completely full and all of the mining pools Chinese

<joshhavepigdog> I don’t follow what you said here?

The mempool us getting bigger as we talk and fees arent rising

<joshhavepigdog> So if there are 500 real tx’s per block then 6 blocks per hour times 24 hours x 500 tx = only about 72,000 real tx per day.

bridgerton[m]: Those are the pools that found the latest blocks (with all the bonus fees)

So.. they are making their money back

<joshhavepigdog> Because price is pumping now right

bridgerton[m]: I told ya.. mining manipulation on fees = good indicator for a market move

Monero mining manipulation in fees = get punished and lose those extra fees

Aka dont flood our network. Real tx only

<joshhavepigdog> Yea I looked in some of the previous blocks that were mined and I saw at least one or two mined those big ass tx’s. So a pool probably mined his own there.

<joshhavepigdog> What do you look for specifically as an indicator?

<joshhavepigdog> So there are only about 72,000 real tx per day and many of these are probably just speculators trying to capture price moves? I guess I could see this being the case that people don’t really use Bitcoin. When I hear McAfee say that I thought he was just being biased….

<joshhavepigdog> If all of this is true, then why is Bitcoins price still so high? Is it an attempt to sucker in more people for institutions and whales to dump on?

<joshhavepigdog> And once again the TLDR is that the only people paying those massive in early 2021 where speculators on price moves. Not people actually using L1 bitcoin for transactions.

That explain how I got bumped out of blocks so many times.

(1 block buffer, send a payment with max fee, block inflate, my TX fail of it then someone that 0 block mempool endup into a 30 blocks mempool and I endup waiting 12 hours)

s/someone/somehow/

I have using BTC network, just annoying to use

s/have/hate/

Always have to worry... Is my TX gonna get thru or I have to wait 2hr+

<joshhavepigdog> This actually happened to you?

<joshhavepigdog> Oh wow

<joshhavepigdog> I am really disillusioned with Bitcoin now

<joshhavepigdog> The only unanswered question is why the price is so high given that all this manipulation occurs

rename room to BTC community and make josh OP

<joshhavepigdog> Hahaha

<joshhavepigdog> Plowsof the sarcastic

<joshhavepigdog> I am satisfied now

<joshhavepigdog> But why BTC price so high? Just to Ponzi/lure in more people?

<joshhavepigdog> So Monero gonna make it and bitcoin not gonna make it

it's a swimming pool to lure in accredited investors, it's big by necessity

<joshhavepigdog> So it will die eventually, right

<joshhavepigdog> Just hard to say when

<joshhavepigdog> I definitely have a greater appreciation of Monero now

We don't talk monero price here. Why should we talk btc price here?

<joshhavepigdog> Fair enough

So... Josh.. ya running a monero node?

<joshhavepigdog> Not yet

Everyone here should have at lease one Monero node

pruned at the limit, don't even take 50GB

Be sure to have it fully accessible from the net (not NATted or CNATted) as Dandelion++ don't work on natted nodes (of port not forwarded)

s/of/if/

<joshhavepigdog> You gotta be careful with which ports you have open right?

<joshhavepigdog> What makes you say this?

depend of what you're use for the node is.

You want only to participate on the network and let you're TX thru, then open only 18080

If you want outsider to use the node for there TX, also open 18081

I put mine so everyone can use it and also made it available as a tor hidden service

if you don't have 18080 open, other node won't be able to connect so as Dandelion++ won't work. Problem with that latter (no port open option) is that while it work for you to use to send TX, it' won't help the monero network and also outside observer will be able to detect when you are sending a payment

if you have 18080 open, then you're not participate in the network and outsider can know when you send a payment

s/not/participating/, s/participate//

* if you have 18080 open, then you're participating in the network and outsider can't know when you send a payment

18081 is only for other people to use, like say, they can set you're node in feather-wallet for the node to use for them to send payment

<joshhavepigdog> Understood thank you for the thorough explanation of the difference between no port, port 18080 and port 18081

18080 = p2p blockchain sync

18081 = unrestricted rpc port (for wallet access)

Its better to add a restricted bind port to 18089 and leave 18081 alone (only accessible from locslhost).

If you have a spare / old android phone, TV or tablet laying around, with recommended 64+gb free space you can run a node painlessly

<joshhavepigdog> Sounds good

If running a clearnet node you SHOULD open 18080, though it isnt strictly necessary.

If running a tor node for privacy, leave it closed.

<joshhavepigdog> Alrighty

<joshhavepigdog> Just out of curiosity’s sake, could Monero’s entire set of nodes and users operate over TOR?

I don’t see why not

<bridgerton[m]> "<joshhavepigdog> Just out of..." <- No

Monero's anonymity network supports doesnt allow incoming connections for blockchain synchronization

Everybody has to connect to the people with incoming connections available. One of the two parties have to have incoming available..

But there id talk of allowing blockchain sync over onion. Currently its not implemented for s few reasons.. clearnet nodes dont talk to onion nodes and vice versa.

You need to force tor on everybody if you want make sure you dont have 2 networks that dont talk to each other.

<joshhavepigdog> Gotcha. Yeah it seems tricky.

The Monero Moon Issue 50 is out now!

Hello 👋 I'm looking to contact the admins of the monero.social matrix server which I was told was probably managed by the same people of the matrix libera.chat server. Could anyone tell me who to contact or help me? Thank you :)

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<𝙲𝙴𝚁𝚄𝙻𝙴𝙾𝚄𝚂> good stuff

<𝙲𝙴𝚁𝚄𝙻𝙴𝙾𝚄𝚂> i hope v18 has apple silicon builsd

s/builsd/builds/

<𝙲𝙴𝚁𝚄𝙻𝙴𝙾𝚄𝚂> 🥺

v0.18 CLI does have an Apple Silicon build

GUI not yet

<𝙲𝙴𝚁𝚄𝙻𝙴𝙾𝚄𝚂> feels bad man

sethforprivacy, it *is* pruning... and its also sharding/striping. It's pruning for your local sense - a node can still verify transactions coming in.

how much do tx fees go up after the fork?

bout tree fitty

i dunno

miners or anyone with a lot of small txs should send full balance to self prefork i would assume?

i mean, if your on p2pool and you really care about savings on fees then yeah prolly

you can go full hardcore mode and mine your own tx with 0 fees

personally im saving my p2pool dust wallet for when i only need to use one output

tx fee is not part of consensus

I mean, you could just mine your own transaction in solo and get the fee back (+0.6 XMR block reward) :D

free energy has been harnessed?

how would one mine their own transactions, in practical terms? what kind of changes would it require to the core software?

kinghat[m]: a 4 or 5x increase for base fee

tell us your secrets, sech!

Will then be almost 1 cent for a tx o_0

taxation is theft!

you can mine your own transactions, if you're very patient. Or you have 10 MH/s mining farm :P

right, but would you have to make any changes to the tx relaying code?

fine, nioc, ill pay it but ive got my 👁️ on you.

Excellent

or would you have to resubmit the same tx over and over until you mine it? (assuming you don't get it in less than 24h)

some changes might be needed to not broadcast this tx

couldn't you modify your p2pool to create the block?

well i guess with p2pool, you would just need to modify monerod

well, all the members of the p2pool would have to modify monerod

fun

p2pool already creates the block, monerod just feeds it with required data

well, so is p2pool checking the validity of the block? i.e., is it checking that all the txs have the min network relay fee?

monerod checks that

right

this could be an interesting incentive for small homer miners to join a p2pool

"mine on this p2pool, and lower your transaction costs!"

so if some miners modified it to accept 0 fee, it could work

but then some measures need to be taken to avoid spam

well each p2pool could have its own consensus regarding the number of allowed "free" txs

it'd be like each p2pool has its own mini consensus

hrm, the gui for this could get complicated. imagine in the GUI, there's a checkbox for "mine to lower your tx fee" ... hrm....

the problem is it's impossible to force all miners to modify their monerod

so it's better to leave as is

well sure

but u can imagine a future client software that offers reduced monero fees by just mining. and its all prettied up and easy

some big p2pool miners could probably provide their own transaction pusher

like xmrvsbeast :D

like xmrchain.net/rawtx

so you could push 0 fee tx to their nodes and get it mined within a few hours

yeah i remember trying to do that when we had the backpack problem with the 13kb tx

backpack problem?

knapsack problem. sorry. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knapsack_problem

I actually implemented the optimal knapsack algorithm for p2pool, but it was too slow

nice. is it up? could be a useful addition to monerod at some point, with some flag -superknapsack=TRUE

like 0.02-0.05 seconds to create a block template

it's in p2pool code, but it's #ifdef'd - github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/blob/master/src/block_template.cpp#L582

the advantage over the approximation that p2pool uses is usually no more than 1-5 micronero

so it's pointless to switch

not now :)

Having different minrelayfee policies across the node network threatens 0-conf reliability. See

What you are suggesting is a bit different, but I wanted to say that taking it to the extreme has significant consequences

CidadoisAncap[m]: "violence is impossible"... nice utopia..

Revuo Monero. Issue 128: July 7 - 14, 2022. revuo-xmr.com/issue-128.html

cryptogrampy:

New mymonero wallet is out

And people say revuo is a waste 🥲. Always something in there that I missed

oh i've been testing it :) They added in the fix I suggested that allows the mobile apps to connect to custom servers

lots of bugs though

Yeah, im Reding the issue threads now 🫠

s/Reding/reading/

I think they may have broken enough stuff implementing this thing that they're going to have to bust ass to get even their own stuff working correctly

I need to test if they mymonero api works still... hopefully not

i'm very excited to have custom server support though 🙏

Would be like brilliant if they ran an lws to test it first, aye aye? Nah.

Everybody, no beta testing. Just ship your wallets untested 🥲.

Its rough out here

Seriously. I don't know how they could possibly release this thing in this state

It seems like they literally didn't test anything

I've offered use of my LWS server too

hey sweet you run a LWS. that's good to know

hello LWS big brain :)

Doxxing view keys to begin with. L o l.

Cake doesnt test anything on android either. So doesnt surprise me that mymonero doesnt either

LWS big brain? :P

endogenic: there's been some work on making it easier to run LWS- you've probably seen the dockerfile issue and it recently got added to xmr.sh

yes

i have my own work on that which i can publish shortly

I'd really like to see the start_height thing get added somewhere to the API

i think the LWS is valuable and has a place but it can take a few refinements that me and j berman and a couple others have been cooking up

exactly. sweet. i have a great suggestion for that

will write it up for the meta spec

Yeah it's rough at the moment but solves probably the biggest UX problems of monero

there are alternatives

i have much to share :)

i also like that it caters to Uncle Jim hosting for friends and family

you mean cryptogrampy hosting?

hm

I would like to monitor my grandson's incoming tx's. I suspect he's selling Wownerochan nudes to classmates

more like... precryptogrampy

cryptogrampy you should know that that's wrong

just because cryptography exists doesn't mean you have sufficient justification to use it to selectively apply human rights

cryptogrampy[m]: Just saying PiNodeXMR has LWS too

Wownerochan's booba's are unnaturally large and quite addictive-not meant for human consumption and my grandson doesn't have the right to look at them all the time

i see your point, Chinese government

Wow. Dont say that in haveno chat

The limited view key Jamtis thing will be awesome though

In the meantime, let's get LWS infrastructure and clients solidified

don't worry

they are

they're just... stealth....

being a solo founder is tough on its own lol

Would really like to see Tor/socks proxy get added to MyMonero wallet

but yeah, the blockers there are virtually gone now

almost

yeah there's an issue on the mymonero app repo

endogenic: I don't have much longer on this earth

you're just trying to get me to think you're not one of google's AIs

How much bigger will the xmr seraphis tx size be?

ooh nice

so start9 rolled their own capacitor http library that supports tor

lol ionic tho

yeah we should rip some stuff out

librarify

wen i2p tho

can i revive kovri pls

Might get a faster answer in #monero-research-lounge:monero.social

Koe isnt in here

wait, koe is working on i2p?

oh

nevermind

Dont think so?

Oh, mybad. I replied in thread to someone else

no worries

also mine

Perfect daemon and Hyc want to work on snob networks

Anon* netoworks

snob networks lolz

monero el too snob net

lol ya

When can I take your work out for a test run endogenic

just waiting on my attorney changing something about the corp and then i should basically have the green light

doing things on a very shoestring budget lol

but i have plans

damn nice ride grampy

Post screenshots

same issue

When can I fork your project and put bobs all over

never

GET UR OWN CURRENCY GRAMPY

you're always copying me

you dont have to do this to take part in my life

we can still ... play catch the grenade and stuff

I'm trying to find the right tech stack for my CokeWallet

LOL coke wallet

f

haha nice

*clicks Watch*

well y see grampy

first you start with some web3 and then you add ionic

Soon(tm)

i guess you need a RV to drive into the desert too

LWS needs admin RPC

ehhh

hm

yeah

i mean you need to think about auth but that's fairly simple

Or some better way to manage it

you can always tunnel tho

i have a good way to manage it

very simple actually

i mean basically, consider making some shell scripts to start with

Even if there was an admin port

with admin api

admin port

that complicates things

It should just follow the same pattern as restricted/unrestricted rpc for monerod

*looks for vtnerd's name in the user list... wonders how many underscore suffixes he's going to accumulate*