Yo guys

Let's make a vote

Should i keep the vpn idea or should i just do services (like a searx or invidious service

rayatina[m]: Then if i get enough funding i might buy another vps for a vpn service (after starting a tor or xmr node)

Wait, so youre going to run a tor node and charge people to use it?

May I have some help, please? I dowloaded v0.18 for linux from getmonero.org. Tar file looks empty in Archive Manager, but files seem to extract okay, EXCEPT they all show as: last modified Fri 13 Dec 1901 03:13:41 LMT. I would like to update my gui wallet but I'm concerned by this behavior. Any thoughts?

Using Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia

Currently running wallet v0.17.3.1

verify the hash of the tar against: getmonero.org/downloads/hashes.txt

and also the pgp signature if you know how to do that

if they both match then you're all good

Thank you, working on it...

or could just compile from source, if on linux is very simple, literally just copy pasting the 3 - 4 commands that on the readme file on github

github.com/monero-project/monero#compiling-monero-from-source... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…3ed1e29828eed389e181eb57491b3ae84ec)

then "The resulting executables can be found in build/release/bin"

Will consider that, spacekitty, if I can't verify...

Got the following from gpg:

gpg: Signature made Thu 11 Aug 2022 07:02:55 AM EDT

gpg: using RSA key 81AC591FE9C4B65C5806AFC3F0AF4D462A0BDF92

gpg: Can't check signature: No public key

The above is from the command: mike:~/Desktop$ gpg --verify hashes.txt

you have to import the public key first

,,,having downloaded the hashes.txt file to desktop.

I wrote a guide, but it's for Linux and the CLI: monero.observer/verify-install-update-monero-cli-wallet-linux-guide

Oops! Sorry, scrolled up the page and see that now... brb!

I am working in CLI on linux, but managing so far with the user guide page on the web site...

mike_: it will be fixed in the next release

good, grab key, check fingerprint and import before verifying

the package script I used set the timestamp wrong

Okay selsta! That's wonderful to know! Thank you.

Meanwhile, I get this:

mike@dragon:~/Desktop$ gpg --import binaryfate.asc

gpg: can't open 'binaryfate.asc': No such file or directory

gpg: Total number processed: 0

do you have a file named that way on desktop?

`ls -la` to see the files, is the binaryfate.asc in that folder? use tab key for autocompletion when typing a file's name

you need to cd to the folder with the .asc file first

No. How do I get that, or where should it be?

cd ~/Downloads probably

how did you dl the .asc file? terminal, tor browser?

Alright... I have to scroll ALL the way back and follow the damn instructions correctly! I'll get this right eventually! LOL!

mike you can just run this `wget -O binaryfate.asc raw.githubusercontent.com/monero-pr…aster/utils/gpg_keys/binaryfate.asc` in a terminal and then it should work

Okay, I've verified my downloaded .tar file. Thank you for prompting me!

selsta, or anyone: Should I go ahead and install what I've got, squirrely dates and all, then, or wait for the next release, which is expected when?

there is no risk with the timestamp

Okay. Thank you!

I appreciate y'all being here to help.

cheers :3

does the "automatic" fee option in GUI bump up the priority in high demand situations like yesterday?

"Proof-of-work only adds to the ongoing e-waste problem."

Disinformation campaigns to advertise PoS crap, with RandomX PoW it's actually helping to reduce e-waste by using hardware that would otherwise end up on the junkyard.

Ethereum 3.0 Announcement: "We are moving from PoS to one central server running purely on enteric gas that will manage everything to reduce environment harm created by distributed consensus."

By switching to Eth 3.0 you will get airdrop of 10% discount coupon to use in vegetarian restaurants.

Ethereum 4.0 Announcement: "We are closing the Ethereum server to further reduce the harm on environment. If you want to help us, put a plastic bag on your head for five minutes. Thank You -Vitalik LLC."

s/plastic/paper/

* put a <del>plastic, * plastic</del>, * paper bag on

😹

ded af

is like that cakepay youtuber video being all like ordering pizza but he saying that he vegan to save the planet and that's the best thing anyone could do to save the planet, that fucking propaganda bs gotten out of control lmao

is literally like saying "the best way to save the planet is to kill all the hoomans and other living being on the planet cause they nefast to the environment" :derp:

at 3:06 literally shilling that being vegan is "single-handedly the best thing you can do to combat climate change"

like, wtf is wrong to have some chickens in your backyard for some eggs? the fuck is wrong with being on a boat and fishing to sustain oneself?

retarded ass propaganda cause apparently because of cows burps then you should also stop eating chicken, eggs, salmon....? so dumb

I switched to bugs years ago, i love it! Pinging selsta for r4v3r23 quesion " does automatic fee option in the GUI bump up the fee in high demand situations like yesterday "

Backyard chickens are statistically more likely to have higher lead content than factory farms because many backyard chickens are raised in urban areas where lead paint was used on homes

damn that's fucked up, but could also just not be in the city, like i just dont get why anyone would rather live in city side rather than country side, is just so weird

<plowsof> "I switched to bugs years ago..." <- fucking weirdo lmao

well the ocean is overfished, having chickens is probably fine but that's not how most people get their eggs, and red meat especially beef is just, god awful environmentally even if you don't gaf about animal welfare so. ye

plowsof: yes it does bump the fee

r4v3r23[m]: ^

Industrial meat is very nasty

Do not recommend. Stick to vegetables if you can’t get meat from a farmer you trust

We should try to build a localist monero circular economy capable of sustaining itself with organic red meat

Nah we need pink sauce monero circular economy

<garth> "theconversation.com..." <- The entire topic is super complex, and recommendations like "just be vegan bro" are oversimplifications. You can be vegan and still be worse to the environment than someone who isn't vegan.... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…9f490feb32830b8601b70bf093024dd52c6)

The entire topic is super complex, and recommendations like "just be vegan bro" are oversimplifications. You can be vegan and still be worse to the environment than someone who isn't vegan.... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…cc842a7c8bd993d9bb2be1734ea269ab06e)

It's not that complex to say if no one meat that greenhouse gas emissions would be waaaaaaay lower

That is one of my new things to throw at people that complain about energy consumption of proof of work

Oh you eat meat? Humans eating meat requires far more energy than proof of work. So humans raising animals en masse to consume their flesh is more important and a more justified use of energy than decentralized money.

Apparently

PoW is all bad because Bitcoin proved it's creating e-waste, doesn't matter that PoW evolved.

Privacy is bad because criminals use it as well.

Everything today is seen in extremes - because it's easier to take a side than to think by yourself and carefully choose whats right and whats wrong, from the whole left/right political wings to most simple things.

also due to people liking being in a group, socializing with others.

its not that PoW evolved, it started out on CPU, XMR just went back to that cause it was actually the way, otherwise, the way it evolved elsewhere is what created e-waste, not how it started

i was thinking about RandomX being ASIC resistant evolution (or rather revolution)

either way, as a cat, i disapprove of yall vegan propaganda, dont even make a kitty go vegan, thats fucked up

s/even/ever/

but i agree e-waste was also due to evolution of ASIC's themself.

<chesterfield[m]> "Industrial meat is very nasty" <- and ur dad is industrial meat o.o

Lmao look at some of the responses

A relatively easy fix for a bug in Bitcoin, already produces backlash because it requires a hard fork

I'm so glad we don't have that "culture" over here

gonbatfire[m]: eh... am also a tunnelled vision retarded maxi the same way btc maxi are tbh 😹

I actually work with a cat that is considering becoming veggie

He's kinda strange tho

unless its an actual health condition thingy, it's most likely just hoomans pushing their insane ideologies and forcing them that way

Spacekitty, there are no health conditions for cats that would require a vegan diet

0

Wrong chat, but 0

digestive issues or something like that, who knows but yeah like, never ever met a single cat that would say no to a fresh slice of ham or bacon

Felines are _strict_ carnivores and require meat to survive.

Dogs, pigs and humans are carnivore scavengers. Biologically....

Americans eat tons of cheap industrial meat and they’re some of the healthiest people in the world

None of the above are herbivores, biologically.

Not sure a herbivore exists with the digestive system of a pig, human, or dog

And herbivores dont just eat veggies, they eat bacteria, parasites etc.

Example, gorillas who are fed washed/cleaned veggies don't do well

Just eat organic veggies with some real grass fed beef once a month or so

What is the correct group for this stuff 😂

Grass fed beef 👍

Grain fed beef 😮‍💨

Lots of grains like oats are covered in pesticide typically as well

Montero health community

s/health/helth/

chesterfield[m]: basically what am getting at least for chicken, on the box its saying its raised out in the open, no gmo fed and all that good stuff :3

also not being murican defintiely help having an healthy diet :3

Tbh most free range / grass fed is marketing bullshit. Take a road trip and check out the chicken farm sometime

yeah, moving to a farming community soon-ish, fun stuff :)

Metaverse farm?

o.o

I think there were a few meat producers state side that I had retweeted or follower. They acceoted monero iirc

heard there also was a big one but they're retarded bitcoin maxis unfortunately

so some tried to shill monero to them but there were all like "nop, bitcoin only, fuck off with your shitcoin"

Bitcoin is for retarded nerds

eh, more like for sellouts that dont have no spine

Ehhhh both

Will maxis grow brains on layer 4?

layer 4 will be neuralink confirmed

asic mining replaced by organic computing mining

brain power over 9000 o.o

this is like a person that identifies as a cat, not an actual cat

blep

presumably spacekitty420 would also fit that bill

mlem :3

unless actual space kat with typing capabilities

:o

<chesterfield[m]> "Bitcoin is for retarded nerds" <- dat me

Shrek: Bitcoin is like onion.... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…fc4e4ac2fe63d77286fd18f9677fa413b36)

now I want to buy onions for dinner using bitcoin

thats pretty expensive in fees just to buy onions, doesnt seem very practical

I just sent my cat btc with 1 sat/byte

and got in a block quick

:hyperthonk:

Ah. Community sundays.

🥲

78 blocks left before v16

and who knows, maybe there wont be that many empty blocks after that...

today been weird on that, like, not many transaction and soooo many empty blocks in average

well, couldnt get GUI + ledger to work yesterday and monerujo (fdroid) isnt up to date either. The only functional wallet I have right now is cake

I image other people have similar issues and simply can't transact

or don't have the time to fix their setup

Did you get it working ct ? (Gui v0.18.1.0 and update the monero app in ledger live)

not yet. Tried yesterday with the latest ledger live, latest ledger firmware, latest gui

what exactly did not work?

most people have no issues with updated gui + monero ledger app

It didn't recognize the ledger, just like before I updated the firmware

I'll retry it in a couple of hours after dinner

* after dinner (and let you know if I got it two work or still have issues)

ct[m]: You have monejuro 3.0.2?

Linux? I see the error sometimes. I have to either restart the gui with the ledger unlocked or .. plug in and unlock the ledger at the wallet password prompt

* monejuro 3.0.2? (look like the binaries has been released like 19 hours ago)

al800[m]1: it's not on the normal fdroid repo yet, and I have time to wait for that. I know its on the alpha repo but I'd rather use the automated update

ct[m]: github.com/m2049r/xmrwallet/releases/tag/v3.0.2

They have apk there

plowsof: Sry to disappoint, I'm still on windows 🫣

ct[m]: github.com/m2049r/xmrwallet

Right there in quickstart they tell you how to add there own fdroid repo, that could help too.

you need to have ledger live closed, the ledger plugged in unlocked with monero app open

> <@al800:0wnz.at> github.com/m2049r/xmrwallet

> Right there in quickstart they tell you how to add there own fdroid repo, that could help too.

It's on fdroid now 🎉

Heyhey. Its on their fdroid repo. Not fdroid

* It's on (their) fdroid now

I only male the clarification because everybody seems to think there is no difference.

You can put whatever you want on your personal fdroid repo. The apk doesnt have to match code.

Fdroid official repo builds the apps from source.

So, I dont use monerujo repo..

I dont need to ping their server everytime I refresh fdroid or download an app.

Ill use GitHub

:tinfoil: af o.o

(but i guess not tinfoil enough to completely distrust potential hardware backdoor from manufacturer)

I also build from source as much as possible

Thanks for the concern, but I have a different threat model

monerujo repo should be fine except if monejuro have some nefarious idea for there build.

CT use a ledger, even if the app was made to steal you're neros, the ledger protect again that (as long as you look at what ledger say when you confirm)

Its not about a threat model. There's no difference between GitHub apk and fdroid apk

assuming there is no bug in the ledger app :D

Essentially your just using fdroid to download apps instead of Google play, which is fine, but you cant really care about open source if you use custom repos

selsta: Yeah, indeed.

Edit: cant be sure about open source

but this is fixed now

Even if using source from github, there are many case of supply chain attack in the past (mostly with npm and python things).

You have to read the code of all new release including the code of all dependencies

oh, reminds me the patent attack scenario as well

potentially putting a patent on a dependency used by monero and start regulating the shit out of it or somethin, there was some discussions about it a long while ago, fun stuff

but thats why there was a lot of considerations choosing which dependencies for monero or something like that

to prevent that type of thing ideally

spacekitty420[m4: At least there are many loophole into patent attack. Just host the thing in country that encourage violating western patent, like Russia. Problem fixed.

Not like for example, a dependency that get updated (node-ipc) that erase all of you're data if you're IP is russian

yeah i think mental outlaw on youtube covered that one, that's some retarded ass missdirected activism right there cause some bs brainwashing 😹

there was the list of all those repositories that were affected cause some fucking nerd wanted to do some activism wannabe on a subject he doesnt even know shit about

Patent attack and supply chain attack are very different still.

<selsta> "deadcode.me/blog/2020/04..." <- exactly the reason why i don't use any specifically crypto created hardware, it's better to be a fish in the ocean than shark in a pool. cold-wallets on regular machines ftw.

all the same but bitcoiners (including aantonop) been pushing the narrative that paper wallets are completely outdated now and should under no circumstance be used......

which fuck taht cause monero is different, can have multiple subaddress with a single seed

money talks, probably paid by hardware producers

nah he had some good points but its just that bitcoin is different, paper wallets are imo the best option for monero

Depend of you're use case.

paper wallet are really not practical if you are like me and use Monero as you're checking bank account.

But they are good for long term "saving account"

I dont have a hardware wallet for my checking account.. I keep enough funds in there to spend

Id more likely use hardware for saving and paper for retirement

for few years now am just doing single use addresses so always changing the seeds on the new addresses, found it pretty easy to manage that way

some rather use subaddresses instead, erybody having different type of use but overall having a seed that can be recovered from anywhere in the world is so convenient

<selsta> "plowsof: yes it does bump the..." <- thanks. is it an option in the cli wallet? i just see priority 1-4

I think the cli wallet warns you about a backlog

so the automatic setting in GUI reads the mempool and sets the fee to the right amount to get you in next block?

yes

gotchya. is there a reason its only in the GUI?

r4v3r23[m]: did you try out how the CLI behaves?

it will show There is currently a %u block backlog at that fee level. Is this okay?

and then you can increase the fee

38 blocks left before v16

<selsta> "r4v3r23: did you try out how the..." <- i havent, its more about having the option to set it as default in mobile wallets that use wallet2

mobile wallets use the same wallet2_api the gui uses

so they can do that already

ok great :) thanks for the answer

I think monerujo does it ( no user selectable fee)

m2049r says its default which i assumed was normal/low fee

how long ago did sidekick get fully funded

trezor users seething right now unable to transact

Yeah, it's set to normal

v16 just hit 🎉

monerobull: so we do have to create new outputs to use view tags yeah? i asked a while back and mooo said we dont need to do anything

well

if you send a transaction now it will have a viewtag

old transactions obviously dont have viewtags

right, that was my thinking

had a confusing discussion with him where he said there was no point

there is no point if you dont plan on syncing your wallet on a different device

but if you do, there is very much a point

right

i would argue there is a point to do it for hardware wallets

its not much of a hassle and can really speed up the process should you ever have to restore from seed

does it matter if people send all of their balance to themselves via subaddy?

i dont think so

there was some case, other than mining p2pool, where you wouldnt/cant use a subaddy and i forgets.

im not sure either but v16 transactions have viewtags no matter if subaddy or main _P

s/_P/:P/